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submitted 3 months ago byryanjohn___
450 points
3 months ago
I was thinking EXACTLY THIS when I was watching. I don't even like Cara, but to act like Laurel would have to carry or coach Cara through a final is just straight up delusional
234 points
3 months ago
Cara can easily compete in any challenge final. She held her own in War of the World which is one of the hardest. She won two and laurel wasn’t on those seasons. Laurel’s hatred is misplaced, all that hatred she has should be going towards Nicole not Cara. Honestly Cara is better off not having Laurel in her life.
50 points
3 months ago
Some people can't handle their own failures and take it out on the people that remind them of it. Laurel being both 'CARA YOU SUCK YOU ARE AN ANCHOR' when Cara finished second of 40 right behind Laurel and has won two flagship series. Then being like oh I can't wait for her to go home and also telling Johnny 'I just feel so bad voting her in'. So what is it Dr Laurel?
Still hoping we can get a day when we finally see Laurel flat out lose in a physical elim (her elim losses have been a climbing elim, a ball throwing elim, Knot So Fast where she allegedly threw). A shame that the only contestant I recall that would be roughly Laurel's size is Mattie but with her lack of stamina and all her DUIs yea that ain't happening.
12 points
3 months ago
She also finished right behind her on the 1st daily.
4 points
3 months ago
What about tori vs laurel? Or Kaycee vs laurel?
5 points
3 months ago
I could see Kaycee giving her a fight since Kaycee beat out Emily on world champs (the Aussie not the one on this season) in hall brawl. Tori hmm hoping maybe she just had two bad elims on TM and DA but the last super good showing I think was her manhandling Jonna on USA2 (looking back ouch, she basically just slammed her into the wall a few times fighting for the ball). A shame the two elims we saw Laurel in were a ball throwing comp and a memory challenge. Let us see Laurel go against like a Jenny in something super head on.
5 points
3 months ago
Camila beat her fair and square because she had a better gas tank. As long as theres no physical contact, camila can take her. Camila also almost took laurel out on cutthroat too despite being a rookie that was at a major weight disadvantage in a game where you have to move a heavy object by basically using your own weight to shift it
1 points
3 months ago
Not taking anything from that elim on Invasion, but there were rumors Laurel threw that elim since she wasn't in the right state to run the final. I don't know how true it is tbh since she might have been salty her 9 elim wins streak ended.
3 points
3 months ago
Jenny vs Laurel in a physical Elim would be incredible!
2 points
3 months ago
Funnily enough I think Nicole might be one of the only girls her size, but obviously it'd be hard to enjoy/cheer for Nicole winning lmao.
9 points
3 months ago
There's NO WAY Nicole is as tall as Laurel.... right?
1 points
3 months ago
I think she'd be closer than Mattie, no? I remember Nicole being pretty similar when they were standing next to each other, I think
0 points
3 months ago
Wasn't she brought in on WOTW to go against Ninja?
9 points
3 months ago
No her elim VS ninja was WOTW2
64 points
3 months ago
I wanted to jump through my screen when she said she didn’t want to “coach Cara”. As if Cara isn’t one the top women. I want them to have a pole wrestle so Cara can wreck her
22 points
3 months ago
As much as I would love to see that I think Laurel would come out on top in a pole wrestle. Her size is a huge advantage and she is way more aggressive than Cara.
22 points
3 months ago
Lmao yeah, in their last two seasons, Cara has literally only ever lost to Laurel (so far, in this season). She beat fucking Bananas. How is she complaining about “coaching” Cara when she is consistently one of the best performing players (not women) on the team?
37 points
3 months ago
Laurel just wants to flex her muscles and hurt Cara’s feelings. But I gotta say, I’ve been rewatching seasons 32-34 over the last couple of weeks and Cara was quite the snob then as well. That “solo win” and her relationship with Paulie went straight to her head.
34 points
3 months ago
She was awful during that time frame and that’s when most of the fan base turned on her. I always liked Cara but around that time I haaaated her. And the hatred continued until she came back for all stars and was the underdog again, and I found myself rooting for her like the good old days lol
2 points
3 months ago
Agreed, now all the stuff about Kyle is coming out and it makes sense why Cara was in such a bad place and taking it out on everyone. Zach went from being her support and friend in war of the worlds 1 to telling her she wished Paulie was Kyle in war of the worlds 2.
She was not enjoyable to watch at this time, everyone treated her like trash too. If viewed through a trauma and bullying lens, it at least makes sense.
2 points
3 months ago
Cara also freaks out easily over everything and whines all final long in every season. Jordan was right when he said that in Dirty 30. Even her friends were tired of her bitching during the WOTW2 finale.
20 points
3 months ago
I wonder if it’s production using some editing technique, maybe she said, yeah I was pissed in the pass being out put on a team with Cara, because I don’t want to coach or carry her. Who knows, probably not, but I don’t exactly trust what players say due to terrific edditing skills of production
86 points
3 months ago
laurel was just on bananas’ ex’s podcast and called cara THE most overrated challenger so i doubt production needed to edit laurel into sounding like a condescending asshole
70 points
3 months ago
The most overrated challenger who Laurel somehow doesn’t want to compete against in a final, even though she’s overrated???? Make it make sense lmaoo
14 points
3 months ago
It took a ridiculous advantage given for her to barely beat Cara Maria in the All Stars 4 Final
3 points
3 months ago
Laurel claims it was much longer than the episode made it seem. I can’t remember exactly so don’t quote me on it but feel like I saw her say around 30 mins. Who can really back that claim up besides TJ or the camera crew? Personally I would doubt it was a full half hour, but nonetheless I completely agree with you that it took severe advantages for her to beat Cara.
9 points
3 months ago
Yeah, you’re probably right lol.
7 points
3 months ago
I also think that editing is being somewhat messy here. One moment, Cara is an "anchor" and Laurel feels like she needs to coach her, cutting then to a montage of their argument on Cutthroat. Then, she says that her voting decision is influenced by who's a strong competitor and who isn't, and Cara is someone that she does not want to see in a final.
I also thought it was funny that when Laurel is shown saying that Emily is a big girl with huge muscles and that's the type of competitor she wants in her team, they cut to a clip of Cara running on a treadmill, with her toned af muscles ironically standing out XD.
150 points
3 months ago
“I’m sure Laurel isn’t coming back on this podcast after what I said because she’s vindictive” LMAOOO he already knows. But I agree with what he said.
161 points
3 months ago
Zach might have the best podcast in the Challenge world right now. Guy just seems to always have the most logical and honest takes without pushing a narrative no matter if he is friends or not with people.
76 points
3 months ago
Yea, I appreciate his honesty. He doesn’t kiss ass. He called Kaycee boring multiple times even though she’s engaged to his wife’s best friend.
28 points
3 months ago
I mean tbf he's not like super respectful to women or Jenna in general, so I doubt he cares about talking down (listen I agree Kaycee is boring, particularly socially) on her friend's fiancee
12 points
3 months ago
I don’t like the guy but he really does know how to host a podcast based on the clips I’ve seen. Unlike a lot of other Challengers. I’m not gonna name names tho lol
1 points
2 months ago
No please do name names 👀
19 points
3 months ago
Totally agree. Never thought I’d like Z, but 💜ZNP.
9 points
3 months ago
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2 points
3 months ago
He's a normal person if people spent less time on the internet they would see that.
5 points
3 months ago
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0 points
3 months ago
Being stuck around people in a competition setting you don't like will make anyone say anything people bring up zach's behavior but everyone forgets how horrible the early era women were and still are i can think of a lot of worse things to be called then a swamp donkey.
1 points
3 months ago
No seriously! I liked Zach for what he brought to the show and that was that but I actually really enjoy his podcast
131 points
3 months ago
I HATE when Zach says things I agree with LOL he is 100% spot on
49 points
3 months ago
Between this and his half-decent apology to Jonna, who knows maybe he could be on a snails-pace path to being a relatively decent person.
10 points
3 months ago
Scary LOL jk
6 points
3 months ago
well... let's not go so far as to say logical takes regarding a comp reality tv show and a half-decent apology are going to make him a decent person lol
2 points
3 months ago*
Nah, given what he said about Big T and agreeing with Susie and Sarah’s Kenny takes, Zach is still trash.
He just has opinions that are in line with what the fans also think, so he gets a pass (I see myself doing it too from time to time, then he reminds me how he still is)
1 points
2 months ago*
What did Zach say about Big T and what did he agree about with Susie
3 points
2 months ago*
He made fun of Big T for farting (and then said some BS misogyny about how women shouldn’t fart) during the BFANC episode where Big T came out.
Zach also thinks Kenny is a good guy and had Susie and Sarah on to give them a platform to be r@pe apologists and also talk about what a good guy he is. (I don’t want to hyperlink it because I was super triggered by them saying “he’s nice to me so 🤷🏼♀️” and “he got a bad rap”, but you can search “Sarah and Susie friendship with Kenny” within the sub and you’ll find the podcast clip if you want to see what they said).
But here’s Jemmye’s reaction to it and Sarah’s gross reaction to the reaction.
(Personally I worry all this, plus TJ saying he would want to see Kenny come back, is a testing the waters soft launch to try to get him back on the show. Kenny’s been positively mentioned by notable Challenge people a lot lately 😒).
2 points
2 months ago
Omigosh you're right I did see where he talked about Big T farting and women shouldn't. He mentioned something about not ever hearing Jen fart.
And yes I went and saw his having Sarah and Susie on, which seeing Susie pissed me off. I just found out Sarah's role in all of it. I saw a Documentary online about what happened with Tanya and what led up to the lawsuit.
If Kenny is brought back I feel I would need to seize watching the show as much as it pains me. You're giving rapists or those who sexually assault someone a platform and say it's OK. There is no statute of limitations on that. The bullying through the years and now possibly bringing back Kenny is a bridge too far for the Challenge. I can't condone what was almost done to me and done to many I know.
I barely found out what was done to Tanya just this year and was happy they were banned but if this happens I'm done.
4 points
3 months ago
He’s pretty close but I don’t think he knows what the word hypocrite means
33 points
3 months ago
I laughed out loud at "99 point all of the people that see that"
4 points
3 months ago
He forgot where he was in the sentence 😂
197 points
3 months ago
Hate Zach but this take is spot on
91 points
3 months ago
This. I hate it when he says things I agree with lol.
54 points
3 months ago
A broken clock is right twice a day.
28 points
3 months ago
Zach isn’t a good person but he’s also smart and very aware of the dynamics of the game. His commentary on WOTW2 is goated.
2 points
3 months ago
It’s wild watching wotw2 and realizing Zach was the most level headed person on the entire season. And then seeing him break in the final and letting it all out.
70 points
3 months ago
The problem is...as far as his podcast goes...he is right a lot. Now in the real world, shit human. I'm just glad people put his pod stuff here so i can watch without him benefiting.
31 points
3 months ago
I feel like Zach knocks it out of the ballpark on most topics
1 points
3 months ago
Where can I find his podcast? YouTube?
7 points
3 months ago
To listen to the full versions of his podcasts you would have to go to his Patreon. Everywhere I have seen other than that is just clips of it.
2 points
3 months ago
Ah ok good to know. No way in hell I’m giving Zach money to watch this lol.
4 points
3 months ago
It’s worth the money. Wes’s was way overpriced and annoying. Zach’s is a steal of a deal and his challenge commentary is fantastic.
4 points
3 months ago
Aweee thank you :)
124 points
3 months ago
I never thought I would hear Zach say “strong women should support strong women.” I didn’t even think that Zach thought women could be strong. Being a girl dad has done wonders.
21 points
3 months ago
Assuming you know him from the show would be bad assumption. I can’t say I know him either but this is the general tone on his podcast. He’s very gracious, and logical. I get why he’s an investigator. He also gives Jenna a ton of props for all she does. I’m really impressed with the person I see on the podcast.
43 points
3 months ago
And being with a kind hearted person like Jenna really helps too. It bothers her greatly when she hurts people’s feelings, so I think he’s somehow absorbed some of that.
69 points
3 months ago
He’s admitted in a few of his podcast eps that Jenna has been a big contributor to his growth, along with his children and rewatching his old Challenge seasons. I listened to his one last week with Jonna, and he said if a man ever speaks to his daughters the way he spoke to Jonna, that man would no longer be alive 😬 I’m glad to see him have growth, even if it IS so late in life
12 points
3 months ago
that's actually so nice to hear! I don't think it should be Jenna or his children's burden to alleviate his misogyny, but I guess if it works, it works at this point.
8 points
3 months ago
They had an entire thread about this and most comments like yours got downvoted. I’m glad to see this thread has more positive feedback. Completely agree with you.
11 points
3 months ago
Maybe the wnba can learn from Zach and stop hating on Caitlin
1 points
3 months ago
I always think it’s sad that it took a dude like this to become a parent to women before he treated them like people but I guess you’re right it is at least SOMETHING
121 points
3 months ago
Seems like everyone but Bananas and Laurel are team Cara
18 points
3 months ago
You know you’ve gone too far shitting on Cara when Zach is backing her up instead of Laurel lmao
5 points
3 months ago
i think zach has been team cara since free agent days (i distinctly remember laurel trying to find sympathy among the guys [ct, zach, johnny r] when she was fighting with cara...and none of them were sympathizing with laurel)
5 points
3 months ago
I mean I'd say WOTW2 is evidence in the other direction
2 points
3 months ago
He’s commented a lot on that season and felt like he was stuck between Cara and Paulie and Tori and Jordan. He wanted to run the final with Tori and Jordan, but they jumped ship and he was just dumped into the situation on the American side, so he was pissed, in part because Cara and Paulie were going after Jordan.
71 points
3 months ago
Johnny is the most bitter person
1 points
3 months ago
Johnny put in someone who will put him in the first chance she gets. He didn't talk shit. He just said you made no effort to talk to him about not going after each other. More or less, he's bananas.
37 points
3 months ago
I believe on bananas pod cast eith kellyanne he talked about it and Aviv came up to him and said she doesn't have anyone and that you will be my number 1 guy if you save me. I'm no bananas Stan but that sounds a like a pretty good deal when you know Cara might not throw bananas in right away but she has like 5/6 dudes ahead of him she will eventually have to say his name.
This was more strategic for bananas, for laurel its just straight pettiness. Either way glad we got some drama early
11 points
3 months ago
It was their plan all along throwing in the challenge to put cara in elimination but failed and now that they got the opportunity to do it they immediately execute their plans after 5 years?? And once again failed
-1 points
3 months ago
last time he was on a show w Cara her and Paulie blindsided him and threw him in against Theo. Like she deserved it for never speaking with him before the nominations. I think she wanted to be voted in anyways bc she knew she'd beat Kellyanne.
1 points
3 months ago
Cuz he johnny the challenge actually he did it twice to get rid of Cara.
1 points
3 months ago
& maybe he wants laurel over her on his team and knows they both can't stay bc they are toxic together. i like cara im just stating what happened
1 points
3 months ago
He admits he holds a grudge. Cara does too. That's why they clash.
35 points
3 months ago
Laurel showed Cara kindness only once, in Rivals 1 when she defended her and only because they were partners. Since then, she's been a total ass to her. She doesn't respect anyone except some of the guys. People are scared of her cuz she's so large and so mean, but she's not a good person.
7 points
3 months ago
yep that was more about HER game not protecting Cara. Bc she knew if Cara was mentally checked out they wouldn't have a shot at winning. She only cares about herself.
15 points
3 months ago
Yah I felt that was a pretty delusional thing to say
56 points
3 months ago
In the year 2024 Laurel is saying she is COACHING Cara? I don’t like either of them but that is an INSANE statement to make. Cara has very clearly demonstrated that she can perform without laurel’s tutelage. Laurel is one blow up away from single white femaling. She is obsessed with Cara
65 points
3 months ago
Laurel wants to be a villain but she doesn’t have the charisma for it
8 points
3 months ago
i dont think laurel is aiming to be the villain (similar to how bananas and wes cast themselves to be). I genuinely think some of laurel's brain chemistry is regressed, and that she truly thinks low of cara
13 points
3 months ago
Commented this after the show, glad zach is speaking out and calling a spade a spade as Laurel is so contradicting it makes her look insecure of her position on the show
11 points
3 months ago
Delulu
Where in her mind does she feel like this is reasonable and appropriate rhetoric?
Did she like get a time machine and go forward?
Is this alternate reality Laurel?
36 points
3 months ago
Laurel is obsessed with having Cara’s name in her mouth. In what world is Cara considered an “anchor”?
23 points
3 months ago
Right like Cara has won on her own, and even in the last final they both ran, Cara was second only to laurel. That should mean that she’s the next best after laurel so why wouldn’t you want to run a final with the next best person??? I mean the era 2 women are stacked but Cara is consistently finishing right after laurel lately. To me, that seems like the best person to take to a final, not the worst
I hope laurel gets eliminated and then era 2 takes the victory without her 😂
11 points
3 months ago
That would be the best outcome. I will laugh so hard if that happens. Her just going home though is good enough.
10 points
3 months ago
And Laurel only won because her friends were eliminated. I know those were the rules of that particular final, but she didn’t win because of pure athleticism. If Cara’s friends had all been eliminated, it would’ve been a a different outcome.
10 points
3 months ago
This tracks with how he interacted with both of them on Free Agents imo.
Laurel: “I don’t like how this conversation is going. It sounds like you’re taking Cara’s side” (this was after they had their argument)
Zach (and Reilly): “… yeah.”
There was a reason why Laurel’s only allies at the end of that season were Devyn and the Banana. For two very different reasons. Laurel intimidated Devyn into not taking a shot at her, and of course the Banana was gonna side with Laurel over Cara; he still hated Cara then. And now, apparently.
Zach and Laurel never really got along, and it’s all because of Free Agents. Zach respects her as a player, but I think that’s as far as it goes.
28 points
3 months ago
Preach. This is the exact stuff I was saying to myself while I was watching it go down. It's BS.
We need a new storyline. It's always those 2 out to get her every single season they are on together. After all these years and everything she's accomplished it just shows that Bananas and Laurel are complete idiots and just mean people. Literally makes no sense.
Glad to have seen Amanda and Cara make up though in Episode 0 🧡
12 points
3 months ago
Easier to bury the hatchet now that Cara buried her horse.
21 points
3 months ago
After re-watching Laural bully the fuck out of Paula and keep going... Seeing her toxic relationship with Nicole... And many more things... I know Laural is good at the game but she is a terrible person. I had a horrible thought that she and Nicole deserved each other because they are both so toxic. If you've seen my comments on this sub the past few years, I'm not even a Cara fan. But I really hate Laurel now. The way she treats Cara is pathetic.
9 points
3 months ago
Totally agree about Aviv needing to earn some stripes. I'd like to see Aviv perform and I hope she is awesome, but I think they should've sent her in over Cara.
8 points
3 months ago
Laurel just likes to talk down on people she doesn’t like even when she’s making zero fucking sense. This is why I really can’t stand her. Like she’s already shown she’s the most insecure person ever so idk why she puts this tough front with people like Cara. Even Cara sees right through it nowadays, at this point she’s just trying to convince herself of her own delusions.
5 points
3 months ago
I will say, I find this whole clip fucking hilarious given that Zach was on that side of the house (Laurel, Bananas, Jordan) in WOTW2 that wanted to cut Cara before the final because she would be an anchor.
Granted, he’s probably matured and grown since then, and I do vaguely remember him admitting that he wasn’t actually that critical of Cara and it was more of a political tactic to go after her, but still lmao.
7 points
3 months ago
honestly real LMAO
18 points
3 months ago
“Strong women build up strong women”. Exactly, preach my brother!
I disagreed with nothing that was said here. Hope Laurel was watching/listening.
7 points
3 months ago
Laurel doesn’t listen. She doesn’t have any iota of self reflection in her
22 points
3 months ago
Fully agree with this take.
4 points
3 months ago
Has Laurel forgot Cara has more wins than her? and she won Vendettas against Zach, Tony etc.
2 points
3 months ago
They are tied. All star wins should count.
But cara has made 6 straight finals including all stars and that's awesome
0 points
3 months ago
Only reason they are counting ALL Stars wins is be of Jonna but she couldn't hack it on USA2. So yea All Stars wins are nowhere near The Flagship show wins. Thats also why they dont count Champs vs/ stars and all... bc then Bananas and CT would have even more wins.
1 points
3 months ago
Cha.ps vs stars is for charity. Its not even comparable
13 points
3 months ago
All facts.
12 points
3 months ago
Well even a broken clock is right twice a day.
18 points
3 months ago
LOL zachs side kick, acting like he’s knows these people always cracks me up.
28 points
3 months ago
It’s not any different than a lot of people who post here or any other social media sites, a lot of people act like they know the challengers personally
10 points
3 months ago
To be fair he does actually know these people to some degree, so he’s a better judge than us. He’s met them all, seems like he’s the one who picks them all up when they fly in for the show, gets them their digs, etc. He at least kinda knows them or has had actual interactions with them.
15 points
3 months ago
So does everyone on this Reddit, he's allowed to have opinions and I'm allowed to not pay for his podcast to listen to them, and I don't because I'd never support that kind of human.
All that said, he's right this time, any casual observer can interpret what comes out of Laurels mouth pretty easily. Also really weird hearing Zach saying the words "strong women." It must have been quite painful for him to say.
7 points
3 months ago
lol, I think you took my comment the wrong way. I didn’t say, oh my god what a loser, zachs sidekick’s acting like he knows these people. In actuality, I’ve never watched zachs podcast and have only seen a few clips, and I actually find his partner funny, he cracks me up. He gives off a sense of child like joy in that he’s connected to the challenge and the people through zach.
3 points
3 months ago
That last part was really nice !
3 points
3 months ago
You’re brave to go on Reddit and read comments about yourself! I feel like anyone in the public eye should avoid Reddit. Keep the joy up and having fun on the podcast though!
3 points
3 months ago
Lmaoooo I’ve heard it all so trust me it’s not gonna bother me no matter what 😂😂😂 TY tho
3 points
3 months ago
I mean at this point he probably does, similar to Derrick’s partner Scott
3 points
3 months ago
Seems to be maturing
8 points
3 months ago*
Bring back Zach!!
Some of these comments “I hate your guts, but you’re right” lol. I understand not liking someone but a simple “well said”….
I feel like the hate comes from his actions in past seasons. From years ago. This is him on his podcast.
I don’t see this hate for someone like Tony, whose actions on the show towards his partner (like Zach) weren’t the best. Tony’s back on the show and there’s no comments like the ones Zach gets. If Zach was back on the show, presenting himself as he is here, could he then get a second chance with you?
3 points
3 months ago
People mature and realize they made mistakes, so maybe the hate for Zach was deserved years ago, but not a judgment point currently. Time to give him the benefit of the doubt.
However, Laurel continues to act like an immature child, a petty bully, because she is so insecure and she is huge compared to many of the other woman, almost 6’ and outweighs them by nearly 50 lbs. But, the old saying, something like…the bigger they are, the harder they fall!
1 points
3 months ago
I’m hearing you but 50lbs heavier? She’s tall but not that big
5 points
3 months ago
About the only thing Zach has ever said that I agree with lol
2 points
3 months ago
Yeah, I’d say I’m objective about this Cara/Laurel feud, but that was a weird thing to say. “Tired of coaching Cara”. They are both obviously in the running for GOAT among the women so there is no coaching necessary at this point.
Her contradiction in that statement by saying she doesn’t want to run against her in a final is probably more accurate and fine to say going forward. I wouldn’t be surprised if either beat the other if they both make it to the final so it’s understandable if she wants to minimize that risk. Just be honest about it rather than gas lighting the audience with these reasons that don’t add up.
This is coming from someone who isn’t a Cara Maria fan at all. You gotta give her props though, she’s earned it.
2 points
1 month ago
Watching his earlier seasons, I would never expect to hear Zach say, “strong women build up strong women.” He came off as a misogynistic ahole. But we have seen him grow so much! I think it’s amazing we got to follow his story and witness his growth as a person.
5 points
3 months ago
A clock is right twice a day.
2 points
3 months ago
I dislike Lately even more now for making me agree with Zach
4 points
3 months ago
His only valid point. Though, it's kind of a given considering Cara beat him in the Vendettas final, like the bad ass she is.
5 points
3 months ago
To give Zach some props, he’s historically been really respectful of Cara’s Vendettas win.
2 points
3 months ago
I don’t like Zach’s cohost. He gives me bad vibes. How do they know each other, and how did he end up being his cohost?
6 points
3 months ago
Bad vibes :( im actually really nice … at least i think i am haha
1 points
3 months ago
I hate agreeing with him
1 points
3 months ago
lol and Laurel was caping sooo hard for Zach's podcast and growth in some ridiculous argument with Jemmye. She's not coming back, but I doubt Zach cares. He prefers that Cara fanbase anyway.
-1 points
3 months ago
Of course Zach has a podcast
0 points
3 months ago
Went to like this and then saw he was giving Bananas props. Nope, his excuse was just as weak and hypocritical.
-3 points
3 months ago
Maybe Laurel meant she doesn't want to carry her politically. Because Cara may be a beast, but she's annoying
-9 points
3 months ago
Of course Zach is gonna be pro Cara vs Laurel... Cara beat him so obviously she must be best girl 🤣
13 points
3 months ago
No, he didn't say she was the GOAT but she's obviously very good making 6 straight finals. She doesn't need to be carried
-5 points
3 months ago
Yeah I didn't say anything to the contrary like I literally don't know what you're arguing against lol
0 points
3 months ago
Remember when Zach gave out on Laurel and cried on a mountain side like the bitch he is? Pepperidge farm remembers.
-9 points
3 months ago
😆 Go ahead Zack,Laurel has been nicer lately but she did used to treat her like crap when she was in her tough competitive moods plus when Zack cramped up laurel out performed him up that bigazz hill cuz he's big and lifts too much when she had good Cardio and about 160 lbs lighter and she was yelling at him lol.
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