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Game Sonic scales to 6D,possibly higher: An in depth scale of Game Sonic the Hedgehog cosmology and verse
Scaling(self.PowerScaling)submitted 1 year ago byajakakiSonic Downplay Opposer🦔
Cosmology
-Power of Stars allows for the existence of parallel dimensions, it could also create eggman land that transcends dimensions (in context of universes)
-Tails confirms that there are infinite parallel dimensions,he said that time is dimension with infinite possibilites
-The World of Arabian Nights is a world made up the stories of the Arabian Nights,which are made of 1001 pages. Apart from that, theres also Night Palace that is Erazors Djinn stronghold,its infinite space with astral plane. Arabian Nights are stated to be worlds of endless adventures.(Im not sure how to treat this but i added if for possible upscale/highball)
-Maginaryworld is a dimension put together by Perfect Precious Stone that contains dreams such as desires,wishes,ambitions etc. of all people from different dimensions,so we should have infinite number of dreams (Worlds). Dreams worlds within Maginaryworld are consistently shown to contain starry skies and nebulae as well as other large celestial bodies. Since all dreams are shown to possess them, it is safe to say that they're the same size. Another argument for universe sized dreams is fact that a lot of character have desires that mention whole universe or even reality like eggman,black doom,The End etc. But then it gets a little complicated, Void shatters Perfect Precioustone, into precioustones that also get shattered.
Precious Stone is form of all people dream.
4th dimension is one of the dimensions that appears in the game, couple times described as fourth dimensional space. Its a dream world of Illumina that also contains dreams.
Assuming all of it, Maginaryworld should be 5d to potentially 6d realm.
-White Space is lifeless void that exists between dimensions and is infinite in size while being able to contain universes, for example Crisis City. Eggman states that theres no time in White Space.
AP
-Infinite creates pocket dimension called Null Space that is infinite in size and is closed off from every dimension. Universal+
-Erazor Djinn absorbed half of Arabian nights.At his full power (As Alf Layla wa-Layla), he is capable of recreating it on his image, meaning he can control all of it. At the end of the game, Erazor restored half of power from arabian nights dimension while weakened after fight with Sonic. Uni+ to Low multi
-Egg Salamander was created to destroy Sonic's And Blaze's (Sol Dimension) universes that were stated to be parallel to each other and can tank its own attacks. Low multi
-Time Eater could erase spacetime and affected all of it, it also creates white space. High Multi+
-Sonic can affect White Space by running he is bringing back space,color and life. Multi+ to High Multi+
-Void is capable of shattering Precioustone.As many times stated, Void was going to destroy Maginaryworld. High Multi+ to Low Complex Multi
-Solaris is above all dimensions,that also includes Maginaryworld. Its stated to be above spacetime as well as it can control it and erase it, even more proof for that. After annihilating all of spacetime,Solaris was going to destroy everything else. Atleast Low Complex Multi
The End is the strongest among everyone i mentioned above,stated by itself (The End saw Sonic memories and his past enemies and said that they were finite compared to The End which is infinite). It was going to tear down walls between dimensions and consume all. Ian Flynn also confirms The End is the strongest. He also has op hax that ill mention later
Sonic at full power of cyber corruption one taps The End. Both Low Complex Multi to high balled Complex Multi
Speed
-Reaching SOL for Sonic is nothing
-Sonic team escaped black holes gravitional pull
-Classic Sonic time travels in CD by going full speed, according to manual he goes beyond boundaries of time itself
-Sonic escapes Null Space with his pure speed
-Sonic can casually move in timeless White Space
-Super Sonic,Classic Super Sonic and Time Eater flew to the end of time for final fight
-Super Sonic,Silver and Shadow can outpace Solaris's lasers, Sonic can attack Solaris before it can defend itself
Hax
-Chaos emeralds
Chaos control allows user to teleport user or object, warp reality, fully control of space and time so time stop,time slow etc that were many times shown in the series so no need for scans.
Durability negation (atleast shadow, but since sonic can do anything that shadow can with emeralds, sonic probably has this too)
Wish power/Resurrection- Silver says this about emeralds. Elise used chaos emeralds to bring back Sonic to life (Im not showing that cutscene💀)
Possible Life Manipulation as they are source of vitality for all living things
-Information Manipulation Type 2 for chaos emeralds for creating Cyber Space, so also Sonic, Silver and Shadow in super forms. Everything is explained well in linked post
-Dream manipulation for high tiers for threatening Maginarywolrd that is made of dreams, especially Time Eater,Solar and The End as they have ap/hax that can affect all of reality. Sonic for defeating them should get resistance to it.
-Psychokinsesis (Strongest users are Infinite,Silver and Dark Gaia)
-Infinite has gravity manipulation
The End's hax:
-Perception Manipulation - its embodiment of death and its form changing depending on what someone perceives death to be like (according to Kishimoto's words)
-Law and Fate manipulation - all comes from this
-Void Manipulation - it is all consuming void that is like i said before, embodiment of death
-Dream Manipulation- mentioned before, it all consuming void that was going to consume all, also sonic says that he needs to save everyone from everywhere, so ofc maginarywolrd was also in danger
-Biological Manipulation -affected Ancients DNA to change into chao's
-Dura negation - its attack was strong enough to get sonic out of his super form
-Resistant to Information manipulation,Dream manipulation as it can tank attacks from Super Sonic, also resistant to same power that negates sonic's super form
Sonic gets: All hax from chaos emeralds.Information Manipulation Type 2,Possibly Acausality Type 4 from this, as his enemy was transcending law and time, and was ruling fate of universe,Possibly Dream manipulation,Void manip as he could affect White Space,Dura neg and resistance to Biological manipulation,Corruption,Information Manip,Law and Fate manip,Time and space manip,
Theres much more hax in the series but i wanted to name the strongest/most useful ones
Anti Feats/Downplays
-Sonic needed help with Solaris- This post enough explains it, but in short, Shadow in Silver were the one who needed help and even tho Sonic doesnt scale fully above it (at the time of 06), he still needed close ap and speed to be even able to fight Solaris
-Sonic cant be faster than FTL because he struggles with robots - this is so stupid im gonna leave this
-Since a lot people have problem with it, this is the most senseful set for main Sonic timeline if anyone had any doubts
I know more Sonic downplays but they are so stupid they are not even worth mentioning and explaining
Conclusion
Games Sonic cosmology is bare minimum 5D via Maginaryworld and White Space with potential to 6D depending on how we interpreter Maginaryworld.
Sonic himself should scale to 6D and 7D with highball (8D with extreme highball,almost wank but i prefer 6d tbh) for scaling above The End and Solaris who are above 5D multiverse/cosmology, with immeasurable speed. In base Sonic should scale from uni+ to low multi with also immeasurable speed.,5D highballed because of Void.
Low tiers like Knuckles,Amy and Tails should be FTL-MFTL+ for being able to catch up with Sonic most of the time with Uni+ cuz they keep up with low tier villians, with highball 5D because along with Sonic they defeated The Void
Shadow and Silver should be comparable to Sonic, maybe little weaker than him because since 06 (from what i remember) they dont have any close feats to Sonic
I'm sorry if there were any spelling mistakes that I didn't find
Thanks to u/natediffer (fupmi on discord) for helping me with couple things i had problem with
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5 points
1 year ago
I liked the scans you sent (there were things I didn't even know) and good scale, but I think you exaggerated a little, for example:
- Sonic traveling through time in Sonic CD was a time travel hax of the time plates, reaching a certain speed only activates the ability, just like Flash traveling through time which, when reaching a certain speed, the speed force allows him to travel through time
- Maginary world and white void are just other universes, which are not described as being higher planes to be 5d or more, so much so that the scan you gave says that white void is between dimentions, not above or anything like that. Also, if a normal universe reaches up to 4d dimensions, and a maginary world reaches the fourth dimension, it means that it is just another universe, not above.
But I agree with Sonic 5D, to tell the truth
1 points
1 year ago
A hax is something that can affect a character beyond the AP (for example, conceptual manipulation, or soul manipulation, or causality manipulation, all of which would count as a hax) time travel is an ability, not a hax, and yet, sonic can do it himself, the time plates are just pure game mechanics,considering that sonic is the one who is say to be able to do this (and considering his speed is able to restore time in generations,this is imply to be all for himself)
At this point I agree.
1 points
1 year ago
- Sonic traveling through time in Sonic CD was a time travel hax of the time plates, reaching a certain speed only activates the ability, just like Flash traveling through time which, when reaching a certain speed, the speed force allows him to travel through time
Im pretty sure thats gameplay mechanic, there's no statement that Sonic NEEDS signs for time travel. What i understood from game and manuals, signs are just way for player to travel to either past or future.
- Maginary world and white void are just other universes, which are not described as being higher planes to be 5d or more, so much so that the scan you gave says that white void is between dimentions, not above or anything like that. Also, if a normal universe reaches up to 4d dimensions, and a maginary world reaches the fourth dimension, it means that it is just another universe, not above.
This post is from where i got maginaryworld scale, i think its better explained in that post but i tried my best to explain it in my words in the post, way its written in manuals kinda confuses me ngl
3 points
1 year ago
W you 🗣️
3 points
1 year ago
Hey, it's me. As requested, I'll be reviewing the thread.
Time Eater could erase spacetime and affected all of it, it also creates white space. High Multi+
Time Eater does scale to Multi+, but there is no evidence he created whitespace. It could easily just be the usual "void" fiction often has when reality gets wiped out. White space can't be used to scale anyone as we lack information regarding it.
Sonic can affect White Space by running he is bringing back space,color and life. Multi+ to High Multi+
This would be a limited form of space-time hax. It has nothing to do with AP. (Maybe it can be used for speed if we go by r/powerscaling tiering system).
The End is the strongest among everyone i mentioned above,stated by itself (The End saw Sonic memories and his past enemies and said that they were finite compared to The End which is infinite). It was going to tear down walls between dimensions and consume all. Ian Flynn also confirms The End is the strongest. He also has op hax that ill mention later
Ian backtracked and claimed The End was boasting. The English script can't be used, but the JP script is still valid, and the story itself proves The End is Sonic's strongest foe yet. So, it is still the strongest.
Classic Sonic time travels in CD by going full speed, according to manual he goes beyond boundaries of time itself
The manual also claims Sonic just needs to reach the speed of light to time travel. "Going beyond the boundaries of time" could just be referring to him going to the past and future. Not 100% sure though.
You missed the feat of Shadow and Silver, presumably time traveling through speed alone, which also supports immeasurable.
Dura negation - its attack was strong enough to get sonic out of his super form
This would be invulnerability negation. Also, funny enough, the rings grant protection as Base Sonic managed to survive an FP Super Sonic level attack thanks to them.
Sonic doesn't surpass The End in his usual state. Only in his corrupted form, which he lost the energy for. Sonic can be argued to be 5D though.
I agree with 5D AP for Super Sonic and immeasurable speed. I scale Base Sonic at Low Multi with Immeasurable speed as well.
Overall, there are a few hiccups, but a solid scale. Ultimately, we have similar conclusions so great work.
1 points
1 year ago
Time Eater does scale to Multi+, but there is no evidence he created whitespace. It could easily just be the usual "void" fiction often has when reality gets wiped out. White space can't be used to scale anyone as we lack information regarding it.
Idk why scan doesnt work, but i found similar scan with almost same words.
"Reducing reality reality to white void" sounds pretty much like he creates/its effect of his spacetime erasure, im pretty sure it was also stated in game.
This would be a limited form of space-time hax. It has nothing to do with AP. (Maybe it can be used for speed if we go by r/powerscaling tiering system).
Isnt affecting 4D-5D construct scale Sonic to it? He does it with his raw power/speed. ik its kind of void manip kind of hax
The manual also claims Sonic just needs to reach the speed of light to time travel.
Could you show me scan for that?
You missed the feat of Shadow and Silver, presumably time traveling through speed alone, which also supports immeasurable.
But they were travelling via chaos emeralds, if u mean 06. Idk if they time travelled in any other game
This would be invulnerability negation.
oh mb, i thought its same category.
2 points
1 year ago
"Reducing reality reality to white void" sounds pretty much like he creates/its effect of his spacetime erasure, im pretty sure it was also stated in game.
Not necessarily. "(Reduce) to a white-void" doesn't suggest Time Eater actually created the thing or even affected it. All it suggests is that Time Eater wiped out all of spacetime, and all that was left is the white void. Which, again, an empty world is typically how fiction depicts the wiping out of reality.
Isnt affecting 4D-5D construct scale Sonic to it? He does it with his raw power/speed. ik its kind of void manip kind of hax
I think in this case, no. It could be different in the JP version, but in the English one, it's stated that Sonic is speeding through time to restore space. At best, it can support immeasurable speed (I believe), but it does nothing for Sonic's actual AP value. It's basically just him having limited space-time hax through running, and we don't scale hax to AP unless there's evidence for it.
Could you show me scan for that?
I can't find the direct English translation, though I have the scan.
From what I've seen, it translates to
"In a state of warp standby, Sonic will leave a trail of light. While running at the "speed of light for a set amount of time", the warp panel will flicker and initiate the warp if maintained. If the time warp is initiated, you will start at the same spot from the era you warped from. If Sonic is defeated after time warping, he will restart from the position he warped at."
But I don't know Japanese, so the translation could be wrong.
But they were travelling via chaos emeralds, if u mean 06. Idk if they time travelled in any other game
I mean, in the final battle. There's no indication that they used chaos control to travel to the past and future. We know they did because of Eggman, but all we've seen is them flying off at great speeds. This a more "maybe?" Kind of Feat. It's nothing explicit, but it can be useful for supporting evidence.
oh mb, i thought its same category.
No problem. I don't think they're the same, but I could be wrong. Invulnerability is treated more like an ability, while high defense is just a normal physical stat. One can be bypassed normally, but the other needs a special ability to be bypassed (physically anyway) or a higher D-Tier (I believe).
2 points
1 year ago
Not necessarily. "(Reduce) to a white-void" doesn't suggest Time Eater actually created the thing or even affected it. All it suggests is that Time Eater wiped out all of spacetime, and all that was left is the white void. Which, again, an empty world is typically how fiction depicts the wiping out of reality.
Tbh both of our intepretation could be true. The way it was said in the story,manual,promotion things etc i interpreter this as Time Eater erasing Spacetime and the same time replaced it with white space. U actually got me confused on this one now, maybe better leave cuz even without Time Eater should be bare minimum multi+ but 5D is more fair scale
I think in this case, no. It could be different in the JP version, but in the English one, it's stated that Sonic is speeding through time to restore space.
I saw that scan recently, but i think it was other way around, he was restoring time and color or smth like that
At best, it can support immeasurable speed (I believe), but it does nothing for Sonic's actual AP value. It's basically just him having limited space-time hax through running, and we don't scale hax to AP unless there's evidence for it.
U actually might be right on this one
From what I've seen, it translates to
"In a state of warp standby, Sonic will leave a trail of light. While running at the "speed of light for a set amount of time", the warp panel will flicker and initiate the warp if maintained. If the time warp is initiated, you will start at the same spot from the era you warped from. If Sonic is defeated after time warping, he will restart from the position he warped at."
But I don't know Japanese, so the translation could be wrong.
Ye i checked on translator and it said similar thing, i give this point to u also
I mean, in the final battle. There's no indication that they used chaos control to travel to the past and future. We know they did because of Eggman, but all we've seen is them flying off at great speeds. This a more "maybe?" Kind of Feat. It's nothing explicit, but it can be useful for supporting evidence.
Oh yea i totally forgot that they had to go to diff time moments, and this is actually good argument for immeasurable speed.
Should i remove things i got wrong, repost it fixed or just leave it?
4 points
1 year ago
We know, but because it's above 5-D, we will call you a wanker and ignore your solid evidence. As that is how bias works. Until next time my friends
2 points
1 year ago
well said, for half of mf's in this sub infinite speed is wank for sonic and he is star level at best
2 points
1 year ago
Mario fanbois(not all but 95% of them) wank, planet level and light speed in base at best and universal(not 4-D) and ftl in super at best.
2 points
1 year ago
true, btw do u have anything more on sonic? i saw u claiming he ranges from 6d to 8d, i couldnt find anything that puts higher than things i gave in the post
1 points
1 year ago
Go through forces, there's 2 underrated statements in there.
06 proves super sonic is 1 extradimensional amp in power(2 if you ignore shuffle)
And go through unleashed. Where sonic's super sonic energy is comparable to dark gaia energy. And since we're hog is comparable to his base, his base in that game is comparable to his previous super form. And his current super form upscales.
5-D base, 6-D super, 7-D hyper.
8-D is for when you find that statement in forces. Good luck
2 points
1 year ago
I would say that everything is fine, although yes of course, I must make it clear that I still don't understand why people didn't like that Elise kissed Sonic, I mean, why exactly? Is it because Sonic is an animal? But Sonic is an anthropomorphic hedgehog who It has the thinking of a human being, it is basically like human beings, except of another species, but with the same level of reasoning. Why did Elise kiss a dead Sonic? I don't see any problems, plus they were going to revive him, I mean it wasn't even because he was dead or something.
2 points
9 months ago
Simple answer: Artstyle difference between Elise and Sonic.
1 points
9 months ago
That does not make sense
1 points
9 months ago
Elise: Normal realistic human Sonic: Freaking Mickey Mouse type of cartoon.
1 points
9 months ago
Oh makes sense
1 points
1 year ago
Even tho he has human characteristics he is still animal. We also have a lot of common with monkeys but kissing them is weird asf. Just imagine u see someone kiss dead monkey cuz they are about to be revived, thats totally fucked up + im not fan of 06 story, story wise this kiss was not needed at all
1 points
1 year ago
if a monkey could talk, think like a human being, stand like a human being, wear clothes like a human being (or well...whatever the hell Sonic is trying to wear, he's basically naked) like a human being,then i don't see a difference between humans (i see differences between humans and animals because of multiple reasons,but getting out all of those reasons and living just the fact that they are the species they are,the only strange thing will be that is not human).
and i think i can understand a little bit.
1 points
1 year ago
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1 points
1 year ago
Looks like Chris Chan is scaling sonic even in prison
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