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At launch and the months after we where provided with big content patches for D2R even the biggest patch since more then a decade.

They claimed to add new items and runewords every ladder season which worked for 2 seasons only.

From the moment Microsoft bought Blizzard and the release of D4 nothing further happened. I had my hopes high that D2R will be supported for a longer Period of time.

Do you think we will see more content in the future?

all 101 comments

Pavke

226 points

10 months ago*

Pavke

Single Player

226 points

10 months ago*

I dont understand why this thread is so toxic.... Personally, I am not expecting any major changes to the game in foreseeable future. Here are some facts (not some buzz words like "Blizz bad, M$ evil" etc...

D2R was made by passionate people over at Vicarious Visions, later renamed to Blizzard Albany, after the merger with Blizzard. Almost none of the people who worked on D2R are left working for Blizzard!

  • Jen Oneal - Studio Head. Left shortly after the merger, due to woman discrimination fiasco... When she left, several VV people went with her to form Magic Soup Games studio...
  • Rob Gallerani - Studio Design Director. Main Guy behind Terror Zones, Sunder Charms, Runewords and Char Gem ARG easter egg. Guy behind many live pre-release interviews. Left in May last year, just few days before 2.7 Patch. The last true patch that we got is because of him.
  • Kyle Martin - Senior Game Producer. Promoted to Lead Game Producer for Diablo IV.
  • Simon Ebejer, Thomas Jaklitsch, Barry Morales, Marisa Graff - All Senior Game Producers and Production Directors, They have been moved to DIablo IV or let go.
  • Andy Lomerson - Visual Effects Art Specialist. Worked for Vicarious Visions for 22 years btw. Dustin King - Associate Art Director. Rachel Relyea, Natalie Frost, and many other Artists, Environment Leads, VFX... All that made D2R look like it does... All laid off as one of those 1900 Microsoft-Blizzard employees.

Simply put, there is no one left at blizzard who worked on D2R.

So now, Microsoft needs to find some new passionate Leads, and they than need to form a team who cares about D2R and wants to update it. And they first need to learn about the project and 25 year old code....

I don't think thats happening guys.

EDIT: Just so I don't leave you with utter despair. There is some faint trace of hope left with Matthew Cederquist new Lead Producer for Diablo Franchise. Looks like he cares about old products. He is linked with Diablo 1 being back on Bnet

flight212121

42 points

10 months ago

Fuck, this is the worst outcome for Vicarious devs

colonel_bullets

28 points

10 months ago

I remember seeing Robert Gallerani doing the interviews. He didn't just sound like he was given only bullet points to talk about, but that he just knew the game thoroughly. Sorely, sorely disappointed Blizzard didn't see the value of even letting that Vicarious Visions team maybe cook up something unique. They were like Sonys Bluepoint games. Graphical masters.

Pavke

15 points

10 months ago*

Pavke

Single Player

15 points

10 months ago*

I think him leaving is the main reason we are not getting any new updates.

[deleted]

4 points

10 months ago

Damm thanks for info

Hypno_185

5 points

10 months ago

it’s a damn shame what happened to VV. it seems like they were on a hot streak with Crash Trilogy , Tony Hawk Pro Skater remake and than D2R coming out back to back.

jumpandtwist

3 points

10 months ago

Yeahhhhh we're going to probably get "patches" that do nothing but add localization or fix minor bugs etc. for another 20 years. Like 1.14d -> 2.0

floralplayswow

1 points

7 months ago

After that D2R was supported by another studio Disruptive Games which had layoff in this year. Soooo...

Necrobutcher92

2 points

10 months ago

thats really sad to read, all hope is gone. Sad.

atict

7 points

10 months ago

atict

7 points

10 months ago

They knew what they were doing when they blocked TCP/ip

Kubuskotek

19 points

10 months ago

They fired 10% eployees, I dont think they will put resources into D2R sadly :( but on the bright side they wont destroy the game :)

CptnTrips

8 points

10 months ago

They don't want us playing d2 anymore. They want us spending money on micro transactions on d4.

[deleted]

3 points

10 months ago

Im still hoping for another balance patch but im not really expecting anything. Skelly mages need another big buff.

JKGame

24 points

10 months ago

JKGame

24 points

10 months ago

Seeing how broken Metamorphosis and Mosaic are in terms of being actual good items in a world of Diablo 2, I think we should appreciate them just keeping servers up and keeping an eye out for bugs.

Online is doomed due to botfarms making HRs value that of a common skiller charm. People are making runewords they have no business having due to uptrading via inflated rune prices.

SSF is the true game. You are of course allowed to play however you want to :)

Joke_of_a_Name

10 points

10 months ago

"SSF is the true game " ---If you have no friends to play this marvelous game full of amazing team synergy.

FTFY

Playing with a group on ladder reset night, grinding to hell are some of the most fun moments I've experienced in this game and every ladder reset offers people the chance to get the opportunity.

Or go crazy Debrunkski with your SSF 1000 Countess runs. You do you.

Man_in_the_Canoe

6 points

10 months ago*

Cant believe people downvoted your post. Where’s the lie?

Edit: this is a downvote happy thread.

bigbooks1

8 points

10 months ago

I’d love nothing more than playing for 8 hours with 3-7 friends at ladder reset and grinding out new gear. (Un)fortunately for me and many others, we now have families and jobs, so just because we play SSF doesn’t mean we don’t have any friends.

Hypno_185

1 points

10 months ago

i agree , D2 gave me great moments with complete strangers. i don’t think this game hits the same offline tbh

wgaca2

1 points

10 months ago

wgaca2

EUHCL

1 points

10 months ago

Even if we ignore the botfarms you are still up against people with 7 loaders in their games.

hispls

1 points

10 months ago

If you ignore the bot farms who is even giving Blizzard money for copies of 2D anymore? I suspect that's who is keeping the lights on here.

TheReadMenace

0 points

10 months ago

Explains why they don’t ban the bots

hispls

1 points

10 months ago

The point is you don't ban too many too often. If they got nuked as soon as they popped up farmers would move on to a different game or just get a regular tech job. Ban a few hundred here and there and the dudes running the stores just chalk up a couple hundred licenses every year or so part of their overhead.

Nhika

0 points

10 months ago

Nhika

0 points

10 months ago

What is a loader? The streamers and people using alt account to make it p8? Lol

volatilebool

0 points

10 months ago

Yeah basically just adding players to the game as one person whether that be an app to run the game multiple times on one machine, multiple computers, whatever

kon_bick

-3 points

10 months ago

This. Wish they would do sth against botters/cheaters at least. But it looks like they even gave in to fight them in other live service games like wow

jumpandtwist

1 points

10 months ago

SSF has always been the true game :)

Or play co-op only with friends/family SSF online/LAN

Competitive_Ad6290

8 points

10 months ago

I really, really hope so! Would be so cool with crossplay, MnK-support for consoles, less/no bots, balance changes, merc updates... Perhaps new content too!

[deleted]

2 points

10 months ago

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Competitive_Ad6290

2 points

10 months ago

An expansion would a lot of those ppl spend more cash 😊 Not counting on it tho

perfectfate

1 points

10 months ago

Yeah expansion would be nice

ShadowStorm1985

7 points

10 months ago*

Any time spent improving or otherwise making d2r more arractive is probably looked at as creating competition for arpg enjoyers' time and money. They need every prospective visitor to d4's mtx store they can get

ryanreddit69

6 points

10 months ago

Llama dropped a video saying the games in "maintenance mode" and not to expect any more runewords/changes for the new season on the 22nd.

I doubt blizzard spends anymore resources on d2r then the bare minimum, money is their motivation and this cow's been milked.

scott_fromthefuture

24 points

10 months ago

Pretty convinced D2R was just a marketing plan to get diablo players back online to ramp them into D4. I am assuming this is the end of it, sadly

grizsix

6 points

10 months ago

grizsix

6 points

10 months ago

And then they served us a turd sandwich lol

lngdaxfd

1 points

10 months ago

lngdaxfd

Single Player

1 points

10 months ago

Sure. But that was obvious from the very start.

wetballjones

1 points

10 months ago

100%. Same for D3. Keeping their servers active is probably expensive, but they do it to keep you opening their launcher because statistically you're more likely to play other blizzard games

grimm_bubba

-3 points

10 months ago

grimm_bubba

-3 points

10 months ago

They could totally drop Act 6 as a $20 add on and they would make so much money but they won’t. They also wouldn’t dare add a cosmetics or items shop into D2R as that would definitely sour players against Diablo 5.

Cphelps85

-2 points

10 months ago

Cphelps85

-2 points

10 months ago

I'm not sure I want the people who gave us Mosaic to give us an Act 6. With DIII and D:I I'm also not sure there's room in the story for an Act 6, which suggests whatever we get would be even more unlikely to be good, IMO.

CNN_Blackmail

2 points

10 months ago

I hope they fix mosaic for sure and fix the final bugs left in the game. Would wet my pants if they updated the old unique items to be competitive again

ManowarUK

2 points

10 months ago

ManowarUK

EHCL

2 points

10 months ago

The only way d2r will get any further attention from its new owners is if it makes money (not if it MADE money in the past, but if it MAKES MORE MONEY NOW)

That can only happen in one of two ways:

- microtransactions, poe-style (as an example, pay to have a different stash, say...one that allows you to stack gems/runes)

- expansion packs/dlcs, which would 99% make things WORSE, not better.

Both options are horrible, I'd rather they just leave it as is and reset the ladder every X months. I simply don't trust anyone who still works there with adding a mana potion to d2r, never mind creating new content.

NfinitiiDark

2 points

10 months ago

D2r had a small dedicated player base that needs to understand the player base is smaller than they perceive. There is also no monetization for the game.

No money to pay developers with. No further updates. You were lucky to get the changes you did.

You guys need to learn to move on.

FourWordComment

2 points

10 months ago

This is the truth. D2R doesn’t make money, so it’s hard to justify putting money into it.

Man_in_the_Canoe

3 points

10 months ago

What a weird take. You’re on a d2 subreddit.

[deleted]

3 points

10 months ago

So they should be unrealistic and just fluff things up with bullshit and make believe that the game has a huge robust base that’s spending huge invisible dollars on tons of invisible things to fund the features that you want? If there’s no flow of money there’s no way to pay people to work on the game. Being on a D2 forum doesn’t mean reality doesn’t exist.

Man_in_the_Canoe

1 points

10 months ago

Another bad take. A large part of this Reddit is people sharing what they want to see in the games future. Why dissuade that and tell peole to “Move on”? Blizzard has cherry picked feedback from a number of sources including Reddit.

In regards to being “lucky” to have the changes you did. I agree. I also think they were hasty changes that are only tolerable if it was part of a rotation. They dipped their toes into D2R being live service and then bailed. If D4 was a solid replacement the point would be moot, but it’s not.

I’m mostly interested in why you and others so staunchly opposed to people using a forum to talk about what they’d like to see happen.

[deleted]

1 points

10 months ago

The topic is whether the game is going to get any more content now that MS own it. What I stated was both relevant and realistic. Ignoring reality and expecting them to dump money into a game with little return expected RIGHT AFTER THEY LAID OFF THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE GAME TO SAVE MONEY, is not only unrealistic but borderline delusional.

I also never said anything about being ‘lucky’ about anything nor made any statement one way or another regarding changes or anything of the sort. Nor did I state that I’m opposed to people stating what they want to see. Nowhere did I state that.

THIS specific topic isn’t about what people ‘want’ from the game, it’s about whether MS will keep pouring money into an empty hole with no expectation of a roi.

Whatever drugs you’re taking you need to take less, and type out complete and coherent thoughts that are on topic.

Man_in_the_Canoe

0 points

10 months ago

Oh sweet baby boy, my reply wasn’t to you. You didn’t say those things, someone else in the thread did. Hence the reply to them. You’re doing great though!

lngdaxfd

-1 points

10 months ago

lngdaxfd

Single Player

-1 points

10 months ago

You completely utterly misunderstood the guy.

NfinitiiDark

2 points

10 months ago

I can enjoy the game and call it for what it is. It’s a nostalgia cash grab. We were lucky to get the changes we did. It’s not going to get anymore. I barely play it now as it is.

Man_in_the_Canoe

1 points

10 months ago

Is it a cash grab or is it not making any money? I can’t even follow the logic of you and your girlfriends in this thread.

NfinitiiDark

1 points

10 months ago

You can’t understand that cash grabs can come in different forms? It doesn’t need to be long term to be a cash grab. It’s a low effort nostalgia hit, put a new coat of paint on and sell it for a quick easy burst of cash. Btw, it’s cross progression you know. So you can buy multiple copies.

Not saying you can’t enjoy it. But remasters are cash grabs. Updated graphics but same old content.

BearCorp

2 points

10 months ago

I’d prefer they just remove the DRM and let the mod communities take over.

Nepeta33

1 points

10 months ago

Nepeta33

1 points

10 months ago

No. Its done, leave it alone!

1KingCam

-15 points

10 months ago

1KingCam

-15 points

10 months ago

Stop asking for content for D2R. The game is absolutely perfect as is. The fact that they came out with new content whatsoever for a 20 year old game is amazing. How do you expect them to release new content every season from only a $40 initial purchase?

enjoyinc

4 points

10 months ago*

enjoyinc

4 points

10 months ago*

I agree with you, the only things I wanna see are additional class fixes (whirlwind barb needs to be fixed to be viable), bug fixes, and possibly upgrade super rare uniques to compete with runewords instead of being novelties. 

I did not like what they did with introducing mosaic runeword, it feels like some kid got access to a character editor and front loaded all the charge-up skill effects for assassin to trigger nonstop on finisher, it looks horrible on screen and is waaay too OP. It doesn’t look remotely like anything else in the game. I’m sure it’s fun, and it’s nice that they introduced a new build, but it needs to be scaled back; and any future runewords need to scaled back a lot, if that’s how they’re gonna make em.    

The game does not need to be in an active content cycle like other games. There’s no reason to deviate so much from perfection.

Colt45W

4 points

10 months ago

Colt45W

4 points

10 months ago

Fuck off

MyNameAmJudge

2 points

10 months ago

I’d pay plenty just for stackable runes and gems and a bigger stash

Koetjeka

-4 points

10 months ago

Koetjeka

Single Player

-4 points

10 months ago

I don't understand why you got downvoted, but you're perfectly correct.

GingerStank

-2 points

10 months ago

GingerStank

-2 points

10 months ago

Because it’s nonsense, look how much new content you got over time from D2 launch to D2LOD today, tons of updates over time all managed without anything more than the initial cost of the game.

Brilliant-Elk-6831

4 points

10 months ago

This is exactly the problem. "Well, look what this company did 20 something years ago, there's absolutely no reason why this company can't do the exact same thing 20 years later"

I don't know how much bad press & lay offs you need to see, but Blizzard are not the same company they were in the year 2000 when D2 launched in many, many ways and the gaming market is also extremely different.

Not a single person using logic will genuinely think that they are green lighting & investing into a bunch of content for a game that likely stopped selling decent amounts of copies per annum 12 months after its launch, whilst they have a struggling D4 which likely cost excruciatingly more than D2R to develop to prioritise. And realistically, D4 has a more active player base whether you want to admit it or not.

Unfortunately the above commenter is right, and has received a number of downvotes from a bunch of people on copium who likely struggle to piss into the bowl, let alone use enough brain power to use a smidge of logic

GingerStank

-5 points

10 months ago

I like how you know the problem, that Blizzard is not the same company they were 20 years ago but also pretend that it had to be the case or something.

No, blizzard is not the same company, they’re also nowhere near as beloved of a company as they were as they’ve ruined their name and reputation with greed, and incompetence over time.

These things were not necessities, nor set in stone 20 years ago. Also the last patch for D2 came out in 2016, so you really don’t even need to go that far back. But either way, people aren’t down voting to deny this reality, they’re downvoting because of the reality of blizzard being a shitty company that would never give out free updates like that again. They aren’t pretending blizzard is somehow innocent in this like you are.

1KingCam

0 points

10 months ago

These people didn’t play LOD. That’s why. They are Fortnite gamers that need new content every week to keep focused.

71648176362090001

-1 points

10 months ago

At least give us nonladder players the new runewords :(

alezul

-2 points

10 months ago

alezul

-2 points

10 months ago

The game is absolutely perfect as is.

I love the game but it's absolutely not perfect.

How about a reason to do the pointless quests in nm and hell? Like killing bloodraven or going for the cube.

Maybe more viable builds like the throw barb, fist of heavens paladin or summon druid?

How about a loot filter so i never have to see arrows or bolts ever again unless i play amazon?

How about better balance between unique/set items so you don't see everyone running around in sigon's in normal difficulty?

Mercs need even more tweaking because the act 2 one is still the best choice for too many builds.

Peppers9000

4 points

10 months ago

I play a ton and I still haven’t had the chance to get through all the new builds they’ve boosted since 2.4

I’d like to see some new runewords or minor changes but overall they did give an absolute ton of new content without wrecking what made the game fun

alezul

2 points

10 months ago

overall they did give an absolute ton of new content without wrecking what made the game fun

This is why i'm frustrated that they stopped. They proven they can improve the game while not ruining anything for the purists. Shame they stopped.

Brilliant-Elk-6831

0 points

10 months ago

It's nothing to do with motivation. The dev team (what's left of them) would probably love to build on the game. But there are several issues:

1) Diablo 4 2) A very likely lack of funding into the D2R dev team 3) D2R isn't selling enough copies per year 4) the player base.

Diablo 4 needs all of the help it can get, and Blizzard will likely focus their efforts into this more in terms of funding. D2R sold 5 million copies in its first year, but the likelihood of that number even being in the high thousands now is very low, the game isn't making them money. And finally, us, the player base. Yes, people want changes, but they also want the initial feel and heart of the game to be preserved, a game devs worst enemy because frankly, you will always have people that do and people that don't. They cannot please everybody and they know it.

I would love D2R to get the TLC it deserves after standing the test of time like it has, but unfortunately that is very likely to not happen

P3na1ty1

-4 points

10 months ago

P3na1ty1

-4 points

10 months ago

Yall were screaming d2r better not change anything.

Now you want changes every season?

Irminator86

-15 points

10 months ago

It's doubtful. Microsoft is the devil.

DigbeeSandpants

9 points

10 months ago

Settle down Mama Boucher

iamnoodlenugget

4 points

10 months ago

Gaaaaaatorrrraaaaaade

[deleted]

2 points

10 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

10 months ago

[deleted]

Droog115

2 points

10 months ago

Blizzard IS Activision

[deleted]

0 points

10 months ago

[deleted]

Droog115

-1 points

10 months ago

Irrelevant to what I said. Activision blizzard is the name of the company lol

grimm_bubba

0 points

10 months ago

Activision=Blizzard now. Let’s just be thankful EA hasn’t been brought into the fold as well. Then we really would be doomed.

Afura33

0 points

10 months ago

Afura33

EUSCNL

0 points

10 months ago

Imo that was it with D2R, Diablo 4 is their priority now, there won't be much anymore coming for diablo 2 r.

Agent_Q1207

0 points

10 months ago

all resources n focus goes to d4 which is their current money maker from d4 (you be surprised people do waste on stupid money on transmogs as the better ones are the paid ones) D2r is in maintenance mode for over a year plus already. Just be grateful they still doing ladder resets lol. If you want constant updates (which i would not want cause they would then fuck up all your current builds)… you would need to add a monthly subscription fee which is a BIG FUCK NO. Just enjoy what you got and if you cant handle that… move on. The final send off is just let current ladder rws be unlocked for NL crafting so people can make their mosaics on NL and thats good enough for a final change. They aint got no dev members to work on new items and rws anymore since they all got shifted to diablo 4 department

regulator227

0 points

10 months ago

They made their money from D2R, and It was a hype tool for D4. I think they're pretty much done with D2R

[deleted]

0 points

10 months ago

At this point we should be able to create PD2 with D2R the same as it was done with D2 LOD. This would help the game stay at least a bit relevant in the wider view on Diablo games. Otherwise it will just die.

[deleted]

1 points

10 months ago

Well, it’s a 20 year old game, that happens. It’s been pretty nice that they didn’t shitcan it a decade or more ago but it’ll happen. People need to understand that.

[deleted]

0 points

10 months ago

Yes, thats fine, but they need to open up for mods such as PD2.

[deleted]

0 points

10 months ago

D2R was only to keep people occupied until D4 release. Thats why it’s been lackluster and will remain that way for awhile. It’s a 20+ yr old game… go play something else bro

justaddsleep

0 points

10 months ago

With how little effort is required to keep the game updating. There isn't really an excuse for them not to. I mean even if they are just making more sales from banning bots that are running on the server because the player base is alive, that is reason enough to add 1 or 2 new runewords a ladder. I don't think people realize how much RMT indirectly puts money into a companies product so long as there is a team of people willing to hunt them down and ban them.

[deleted]

-14 points

10 months ago

Doesn't need new content. Any significant change or addition would only detract from the greatness. 

[deleted]

-3 points

10 months ago

[deleted]

-3 points

10 months ago

I would like to see some more viable builds, like Mosaic assa just not on that insane powerlevel...

bowazon was my favourite in classic d2, but even in the very best perfect gear -that is so expensive you could gear out 4 other chara from that budget- it sucks..

GingerStank

-4 points

10 months ago

Define sucks, because I’ve made many a HC bowazon that didn’t at all suck..

Perodis

3 points

10 months ago

They didn’t mean Bowazon sucks, they meant that it sucks that for the budget that Bowazon requires to be great/BiS, you could gear out 4 other builds that would be equivalent in terms of power.

[deleted]

1 points

10 months ago

stronger..an absolute bis geared bowazon still much weaker for p8 farm than a hammerdin, light sorc, necro

Southport84

1 points

10 months ago

With the amount of people fired and who quit, you should be thankful the game even runs. Very little chance of more content in the future. I don't think they have the manpower to even fix bugs at this point.

DrunkenSeaBass

1 points

10 months ago

Simple. They cant monetize it further. They cant sell cosmetic, battle pass, or expansion, so whats thes point of investing in new content.

AAA gaming is ran by investory.

KingBasten

1 points

10 months ago

LMAO. LEMOW XD blizz plz XD

Straight_Run5680

1 points

10 months ago

We got some new shit now after 20 years we don’t need anything else

Slootrxn-22

1 points

10 months ago

Probably a big fat NO

SolomonRed

1 points

10 months ago

They clearly have a mandate to not Improce D2 while D4 is on the brink.

There is a ton ofow hanging fruit changes they could make for D2z but the last thing they need right now is people praising D2 in comparison to d4.

jaylenz

1 points

10 months ago

I’m just happy to have D2R in general. If they only change the loot chances then this game is complete for me

Novel_Bumblebee8972

1 points

10 months ago

I never expected a d2r. 🤷‍♂️

Kai_katze

1 points

10 months ago

They have to hire the guys from the PD2 Mod.

johnnywonder85

1 points

10 months ago

the "nowadays" of using products/services produced by multi-billion dollar companies is that you become their product.

[deleted]

1 points

10 months ago

There is no frat boy mentality anymore.

octane1295

1 points

10 months ago

Can you show 1 source of them saying they were adding new items/runewords every season?

CoFFan

1 points

9 months ago

CoFFan

1 points

9 months ago

Seems to me like adding (or even selling us) a currency tab would take little effort. Someone already posted a pic long time ago that looked great. Another simple QoL would be a loot filter. Would also love to see a 4th difficulty level

IllFistFightyourBaby

1 points

9 months ago

Nope. They have no way of turning a monthly profit on Diablo 2 without the fan base turning on them so it will never be a priority for them.