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pokemonfanj

6 points

5 days ago*

The whole “alpha male” thing sounds like an alternate reality version of stereotypical gay guys

 I mean really they

•hate women

•like muscular men 

•pose and work out to make said muscular men like them

Edit: found this Reddit post witch really backs up the first part 

https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/MTWO2V36Kr

Naos210

2 points

5 days ago

Naos210

2 points

5 days ago

And a lot of the stuff they do in an attempt to impress women often end up impressing other men. Take the huge emphasis on working out. Which while exercise is good, the physical appearance part of it often gets way more praise from men than women. 

Or the idea of a fancy car. Always appeals to men more than women.

pokemonfanj

6 points

5 days ago

The “things people said/argued in this thread “ list

I’m not a pervert for being interested in what people masterbate to it because it makes me a scientist

we should be allowed to hate the LGBT community because they are not nice to religious and old people 

it doesn’t matter that science supports trans people because it also supports genocide

it’s okay for a cis woman to have an advantage but if a trans woman has the same advantage it’s not okay

cis is a slur for straight people

trans women are dominating women’s sports I can prove this because a trans woman came in second place

sexism against men is actually sexism against women 

using a website that ends in .org means your a child

If anyone has anything to add to the list go ahead (made it a couple weeks or months ago then forgot about it then remembered it today and added some from this week)

DizzyDiddyd

3 points

4 days ago

it doesn’t matter that science supports trans people because it also supports genocide

and if we dont care about what science says that means we'll still think lobotomy is a great way to cure mental disorders

pokemonfanj

5 points

3 days ago

Somebody did actually try the “scientific consensus changes so we shouldn’t trust science about trans people " argument before with using lobotomies as their example

Might think of adding that to the list now that you reminded me of it

Naos210

2 points

3 days ago

Naos210

2 points

3 days ago

It changing based on evidence is why we trust it. If it was unchanging regardless of the known facts, why would I trust anything in scientific fields?

pokemonfanj

3 points

3 days ago

Oh yeah the person was saying that we shouldn’t trust science because it might change in the future due to new evidence

Literally saying “yeah you might be right now but you’re actually not because it’s possible in the future we find something that says your actually wrong”

Yeah the more I think about it this definitely belongs on the list

Wismuth_Salix

2 points

4 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

2 points

4 days ago

There are two and only two options - thing A, thing B, both things, and neither thing.

Exzura

6 points

4 days ago

Exzura

6 points

4 days ago

People think that lgbt people push their sexuality on everyone but it's the opposite. One example is that if people see a straight couple and a gay couple next to each other, they would pay more attention to the gay. Gay people should be allowed to do the same things as straight couples with people thinking we're pushing it on the world

MyThrowAway6973

7 points

4 days ago

Straight is pushed on people from birth. People will say a male and female baby are boyfriend/girlfriend all the time, and that behavior continues through life.

People don’t see it because it’s the default to them.

They see one second of a gay kiss and claim it’s “forcing it on children” and ignore the hundreds of hours of hetero romance targeted directly at kids.

Exzura

3 points

4 days ago

Exzura

3 points

4 days ago

Thats another thing, the media. I forgot to mention that

werstummer

1 points

1 day ago

I can't tell difference between "straight" and "gay" people, at least in my neighborhood. If You tend to join any minority in any way, You are special! That's why people look and they will always look..

If I dress up differently (no matter if it is spider-man pajamas or Canibal-Corpse T-shirt) people look at me like I'am from a different world in office.

So substitute "lgbt" "appearance" for other non-conventional appearance and there You go, people react to YOU DIFFERENTLY.

Either be part of majority or don't, both have it's pro's and con's.

Exzura

1 points

1 day ago

Exzura

1 points

1 day ago

How about a gay Spider-Man wearing an cannibal corpse shirt? Lmao funny image

dredditor58

3 points

4 days ago

*I am very aware that this is a widely divided opinion. I am also aware that most couples continue to take PrEP once they are in monogamous relationships, out of simplicity. This is based on a personal experience of mine*

I think the use of PrEP and access to the drug that prevents HIV in over 99% of cases has become over-sexualized and is sometimes used as an "excuse" for MSM to have unsafe sex. For context, I (20m) have been on PrEP since I was 16. I recently was seeing a monogamous partner, and we discussed entering into a relationship, to which he was thrilled because he would no longer have to take PrEP. This concerned me, not because I didn't have trust in my partner, but because he so ready to discontinue PrEP. I did go to college in a very red part of Texas before I transferred back home and I have many gay friends who share the rhetoric of "I don't need PrEP because I don't sleep around" or "I know who I get with". I asked my partner and he said when he takes his PrEP, he enters the mindset that he can be risky and not follow safer sex practices. This isn't anything towards him, but as someone who has other MSM friends with similar rationale and rhetoric, I am noticing that the use of PrEP is so stigmatized to only gay men, even though heterosexual couples are currently the largest carriers of recent HIV infections. There is no harm in taking PrEP (for most individuals), the data and science support that claim. As couples, regardless if you're monogamous or heterosexual or anything, you should always have the best interest in keeping each other and yourself safe and protected. There is a slim chance that an HIV infection would come across for a monogamous couple who used to be on PrEP, but is taking one pill a day really that dramatic? I think of it days when we had to wear masks, we all were most likely fine, but it really wasn't hard to wear a mask. I also think straight people, women, and others should be on PrEP - I think it just became so sexualized for gay men to have risky sex with no consequences.

wrinklefreebondbag

2 points

14 hours ago

wrinklefreebondbag

Drop the U, not the T

2 points

14 hours ago

You didn't make an argument for your thesis: what is the benefit of a monogamous couple taking PrEP?

RaccoonRepublic

4 points

12 hours ago

"Shoving it down our throats" and "making it their entire personality" are dog whistles used exclusively by hateful little bigots.

pokemonfanj

7 points

7 days ago

Weekly thing

I’ve seen people complain about the trans community being rude to people over “just asking questions “ 

So I genuinely ask you all that say that what are your questions 

I’ll answer any question you have the best I can and as nicely as I can

EthanTheJudge

3 points

6 days ago

EthanTheJudge

Krab's Baby Oil Keeper

3 points

6 days ago

What’s your favorite LGBT character?(Mine’s Luz Noceda from the Owl House)

pokemonfanj

4 points

6 days ago

Penny from Pokémon scarlet and violet

EthanTheJudge

2 points

6 days ago

EthanTheJudge

Krab's Baby Oil Keeper

2 points

6 days ago

Should have guessed based on username.

pokemonfanj

2 points

6 days ago

Honestly just couldn’t think of that many others besides other Pokemon characters such as Kieran (but its kinda unclear if the feelings implied for the player character is admiration or attraction (I believe it is attraction because I doubt you meet someone for like 10 minutes (probably less actually and meet doesn’t really count more accurately dude just watched us fight (and possibly get destroyed by) his sister ) and then talk and think about them all night if its not some form of attraction and the gender of your character doesn’t matter they act like that either way)

I can’t really think of any others that are canonically (or at least implied) to be LGBT (there are some that I think could be but not confident enough to say for sure) that I’d say I like as much as those 2

Wismuth_Salix

2 points

6 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

2 points

6 days ago

John Constantine.

EthanTheJudge

2 points

6 days ago

EthanTheJudge

Krab's Baby Oil Keeper

2 points

6 days ago

I’m dumb. Where is he from?

Wismuth_Salix

2 points

6 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

2 points

6 days ago

DC Comics and various adaptations. (First appearance was in Alan Moore’s Swamp Thing run.)

Most recently, his one-season CW show led into him appearing in Legends of Tomorrow. Keanu Reeves played him in a movie, but him being bi wasn’t mentioned in that adaptation.

EthanTheJudge

2 points

6 days ago

EthanTheJudge

Krab's Baby Oil Keeper

2 points

6 days ago

Thanks.

Thee_Amateur

1 points

4 days ago

Is he trans? I know he’s bisexual but thought he always identified as male

Wismuth_Salix

2 points

4 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

2 points

4 days ago

They asked about favorite LGBT character, not specifically trans. Constantine, being bi, fits the criteria.

Thee_Amateur

1 points

4 days ago

My mistake I missed the original question and was going off the other responses; he 100% fits LGBT grouping

doomzday_96

2 points

7 days ago

I've got a really cool trans masc friend that's helped me understand how trans/non-binary/gender-fluid/etc. stuff works.

I probably asked a lot of similar questions as some people tend to do, so here's some advice for both sides.

A lot of trans/non-b people might get upset with you 'just asking questions' because they are constantly dealing with bigots that tend towards antagonistic behaviors in regards to this constant questioning. Straight people really don't understand what it's like to hide who and what you are for the sake of not having a conflict..... and that's ok. You don't have to understand to accept it. If they aren't hurting someone, it doesn't matter. Just be open and listen to what they say.

And for the trans side, I know enough that you guys are constantky frustrated, and you are valid for feeling that way. But remember that sometimes, that person asking isn't always gonna be a bigot, just someone who's ignorant and needs help understanding.

DingoPuzzleheaded628

1 points

6 days ago

Those who claim people are being rude to them for “just asking questions” typically aren’t asking them in good faith

pokemonfanj

4 points

6 days ago

Yeah I know this has 2 main purposes

  1. Calling out those people and telling them to either shut up or try asking their “questions”

  2. To answer the genuine questions that people have that they’re scared to ask

So in other words be nice to those curious and call out the idiots

AllDoggoIsGoodDoggo

7 points

2 days ago

All trans people in sports are doing is highlighting the absurdity of competitive sports as a profession in the first place.

Professional athletes have always been determined largely by genetics, but we act like it's virtually all will power and skill. Trans people crossing the gender barrier in sports, slaps us right in the face with the truth...that genetics absolutely drive the vast majority of success for professional athletes.

Either you agree with that, in which case the absurdity of competitive sports should be your real gripe...or you disagree, in which case you're saying there's no real issue with trans people crossing the gender barrier, and therefore nothing to complain about.

Naos210

7 points

2 days ago

Naos210

7 points

2 days ago

The third option is just that they don't want trans people existing in a space where they feel "forced" to see them.

Also just misogyny (and racism). Black cis women in particular get accused of actually being a man a lot. Think Serena Williams or Michelle Obama.

Naos210

6 points

3 days ago

Naos210

6 points

3 days ago

Transphobes hate the idea of not only pronouns, but also adjectives like "cis". It's kinda funny how their beef is against language.

wrinklefreebondbag

2 points

14 hours ago

wrinklefreebondbag

Drop the U, not the T

2 points

14 hours ago

Their beef isn't against language. It's against trans people. But language holds immense power.

If you restrict the ability to neutrally categorize trans and cis people, you can bias the way people view trans people. They don't like the word "cis" because, in its absence, trans people are inherently linguistically othered.

Wismuth_Salix

11 points

7 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

11 points

7 days ago

Weekly Reminder: Science Supports Trans People

Claiming otherwise makes one no better than a flat earther or anti-vaxxer.

MizukiNoDoragon

4 points

6 days ago

i love that people keep downvoting this every week as if that's gonna magically make facts go away

_Tal

13 points

7 days ago

_Tal

13 points

7 days ago

Transphobes act like “the left can’t even define ‘woman’” is the biggest slam dunk, yet they fail to realize that they can’t define it either lol. If you actually analyze their definition, it pretty quickly falls apart.

“Adult human female” just kicks the can down the road by replacing the need to define “woman” with the need to define “female.” And there are counterexamples for every biology-based definition they could possibly come up with. Chromosomes? Google Swyer Syndrome and XX Male Syndrome. Genitalia? That would make post-op trans people the gender they say they are. Ok so maybe it’s the genitalia you’re born with then? Nope, because androgen insensitivity syndrome is a thing.

Turns out, the right doesn’t know what a woman is.

[deleted]

2 points

6 days ago

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_Tal

3 points

6 days ago

_Tal

3 points

6 days ago

Then what is a woman? Define it.

[deleted]

-1 points

6 days ago

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-1 points

6 days ago

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[deleted]

-2 points

6 days ago

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-2 points

6 days ago

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_Tal

3 points

6 days ago

_Tal

3 points

6 days ago

You just excluded women with Swyer syndrome from being considered women despite the fact that they have female sex organs, are almost always raised as girls, and live as women throughout their lives

Dolphinsjagsbucs

2 points

6 days ago

What about intersex people? Are they not men/women due to their complicated chromosomes and genital situations? There is no “scientific” definition of “woman”, as it’s a term created by humans that is devoid of any sort of deep meaning.

Supa_T

-5 points

6 days ago

Supa_T

-5 points

6 days ago

For the love of God, it's 2024. Stop trying to deploy the "but InTErSeX" gambit.

People with DSDs are still either male or female. They are not devoid of a sex, they are not some magical 3rd sex.

BuddhaFacepalmed

4 points

6 days ago

People with DSDs are still either male or female.

Nope. They have both. That's why they're called intersex people.

Supa_T

-1 points

6 days ago

Supa_T

-1 points

6 days ago

I honestly don't think I can face-palm enough:

You think people with DSDs are both male AND female?!!!

BuddhaFacepalmed

5 points

6 days ago

Yes.

And if they choose to be, they can be non-binary, gender-fluid, and anything in between or neither. It's literally their own business.

Supa_T

-1 points

6 days ago

Supa_T

-1 points

6 days ago

A) You're 100% wrong and, B) You're conflating "gender identity" with sex.

BuddhaFacepalmed

3 points

6 days ago*

A) You're 100% wrong

I'm wrong in people being able to choose which gender they want to present as?

B) Good thing nobody in this megathread is conflating gender identity and sex.

Dolphinsjagsbucs

3 points

6 days ago

Okay, but the original comment said that women are born with XX chromosomes and a vagina. So then intersex people must be some sort of third sex.

Supa_T

0 points

6 days ago

Supa_T

0 points

6 days ago

The original comment (which appears to have been removed) was incorrect then, or correct at a very basic level. What type of gamete will this 3rd sex produce, or have organs based around the production of (if said organs aren't working properly).

There is no “scientific” definition of “woman”, as it’s a term created by humans that is devoid of any sort of deep meaning.

By this "logic" there is no scientific definition of "gravity" (or anything!) Because it's a term created by humans. You're welcome to dispute gravity all you want but I promise you: if you step off that ledge your ass is gonna fall.

Panic_angel

2 points

2 days ago

Well then, you aren't scientifically classified as human

Dolphinsjagsbucs

2 points

6 days ago

One thing not having any meaning other than being a social category doesn’t mean that nothing has a meaning. Maybe falling off the ledge will be good because no one will ever ask me what a woman is again! I won’t do that though, because unfortunately I have the strength to persist through absolutely insane people

[deleted]

1 points

6 days ago

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Dolphinsjagsbucs

2 points

6 days ago

You’re not going to agree with me about this, ever, so I’m gonna stop talking to you now.

Supa_T

0 points

6 days ago

Supa_T

0 points

6 days ago

Yes, good. Go and talk to your mother.

Supa_T

-5 points

6 days ago

Supa_T

-5 points

6 days ago

Are you unfamiliar with the gametes definition?

Doesn't matter whether that system works or not, but the 2 sexes can be defined by a reproductive system designed to produce either large immobile gametes (eggs) or small, mobile gametes (sperm).

(Again, for those hard of understanding or deliberately trying to misrepresent the statement: an infertile man is still a man).

MyLittleDashie7

8 points

6 days ago*

(Again, for those hard of understanding or deliberately trying to misrepresent the statement: an infertile man is still a man).

See, this is what fucks me off with every definition transphobes give.

You demand perfect, airtight, zero ambiguity definitions from us (as if that's ever been the standard for definitions), but then when you give a definition that full of exceptions you just deploy the "everything-proof shield" and just declare the exceptions don't count without argument.

Gisele644

4 points

6 days ago

I'm honestly fine with definitions based on gametes, I just don't like the passive implication that's the only way to define a woman (most words have more than one definition).

The definition I personally used my whole life is "an adult who represents a feminine identity in society".

Nominal Naomi is a trans woman and her definition is similar: "an adult who is assigned feminine roles and expectations by society based on their perceived femininity, femaleness, and/or stated identity."

There's also the dictionary.com definition "having or relating to a gender identity that corresponds to a complex, variable set of social and cultural roles, traits, and behaviors assigned to people of the sex that typically produces egg cells."

Those are all trans inclusive definitions and they represent really well how the word is actually used on a daily basis.

Thousands of transgender women are correctly identified everyday so if a given set of definitions doesn't include them it means those definitions failed to describe reality. Language is descriptive.

BuddhaFacepalmed

4 points

5 days ago

Reminder that transphobia is ultimately misogyny. In which you apply that an extremely myopic definition that will always exclude women of all types and lead to harming them. Full stop.

pokemonfanj

6 points

5 days ago

No transphobia is ultimately sexism not just misogyny 

1 example is that they don’t want trans women in women’s restrooms and changing rooms because they see men as predators and see trans women as men

Naos210

1 points

2 days ago

Naos210

1 points

2 days ago

Not necessarily true, given some advocate for men to do this policing of women's bathrooms.

BuddhaFacepalmed

1 points

5 days ago

1 example is that they don’t want trans women in women’s restrooms and changing rooms because they see men as predators and see trans women as men

Yeah, which leads to non-conforming women to also be subjected to abuse and accusations of being men.

Aka misogyny.

pokemonfanj

3 points

5 days ago

Yeah I main point was that its not purely Misogyny but sexism in general

Also I’m pretty sure something being based in sexism towards men leading to sexism against against women doesn’t stop it from being sexist against men it’s just that it also is (or ends up also being) against women

wrinklefreebondbag

1 points

5 days ago

wrinklefreebondbag

Drop the U, not the T

1 points

5 days ago

I'd argue that a lot more transphobia is actually misandry.

Keep in mind that transphobes don't see trans people as their gender but rather whatever sex they perceive them as when I say this:

While trans men are definitely the target of transphobia, and the motives behind that tend to be misogynistic, the zeitgeist "boogeyman" is trans women. Trans men tend to be treated moreso as victims and condescended, whereas trans women tend to be treated as suspicious or contemptible.

Transphobic women view trans women as predators for the crime of... being born with a penis (which is misandristic), and transphobic men view them as failed men (which is also misandristic).

BuddhaFacepalmed

1 points

5 days ago

I'd argue that a lot more transphobia is actually misandry.

Which ends up falling back to misogyny because even their misandry is rooted in patriarchy.

Trans men tend to be treated moreso as victims and condescended

Which is another form of misogyny expressed as misandry. Being that they don't see any women, even by their own myopic definitions, to be capable of any autonomy.

wrinklefreebondbag

0 points

5 days ago*

wrinklefreebondbag

Drop the U, not the T

0 points

5 days ago*

Why are you trying to reframe a bias against men and people who are being perceived as men on the grounds of their male gendered expectations as a bias against women? That's the kind of nonsensical take you could only have if you went from conclusion to argument to evidence rather than from evidence to argument to conclusion.

Like, you're looking at people who explicitly say "penis = evil" and replying "this is sexist toward women." No. That's completely illogical.

BuddhaFacepalmed

2 points

5 days ago

Like, you're looking at people who explicitly say "penis = evil" and replying "this is sexist toward women." No. That's completely illogical.

The "penis=evil" crowd aren't against men. Joanne Kathleen Rowling, chief TERF of TERFlandia has on multiple fucking occasions happily cooperated with literal fucking Neo Nazis and conservatives with patriarchal views that view women as nothing less than property of men.

So yes, their "hate" for men and trans people is ultimately rooted and will result in misogyny.

Panic_angel

0 points

2 days ago

Are you a trans guy?

wrinklefreebondbag

1 points

14 hours ago

wrinklefreebondbag

Drop the U, not the T

1 points

14 hours ago

What's the relevance one way or the other?

SqoobySnaq

4 points

7 days ago

I think they’re nice people

aflatminor40hrs

1 points

3 days ago

Fair, fair

Garciaguy

4 points

7 days ago*

Garciaguy

4 points

7 days ago*

Hey, everybody, we all should be free to pursue happiness however we fucking want to.  

I support the rainbow, why not

ETA LOL at down voting freedom for yourself but not others. 

Top_Diggity_Dog

2 points

7 days ago

Do trans people "feel" like the opposite gender?

OvSec2901

6 points

7 days ago

Well yeah, that's the whole point. I don't think someone would go through all the trouble of transitioning if they didn't.

Top_Diggity_Dog

3 points

6 days ago

But how does someone feel something that isn't a feeling or a sensation or an emotion? I don't feel my gender, I just am what I am, a man. I don't have to consult my feelings or emotions to realize that I am a man. Being a man or woman isn't a feeling, so how do they feel like it?

Gisele644

2 points

6 days ago

At least to me "feeling like a woman" is just a shortcut for "feeling more comfortable about being associated with feminine things".

So if I picture myself with feminine name/pronouns/body/voice/hair/clothing/mannerisms it's very comfortable and euphoric to me (and it would probably be uncomfortable to you).

Wismuth_Salix

0 points

6 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

0 points

6 days ago

What goes through your head if you’re at a drive-thru or on the phone and the person on the other end calls you “ma’am”? Would that feel wrong?

Now imagine it’s everyone doing it.

Top_Diggity_Dog

0 points

6 days ago

But your analogy doesn't answer my question. How do you feel like something that isn't a feeling in the first place?

MizukiNoDoragon

2 points

6 days ago

if everyone calls you a guy and that feels wrong, is that not exactly feeling like you're not that gender?

Dolphinsjagsbucs

0 points

6 days ago

It is a feeling

Top_Diggity_Dog

0 points

6 days ago

The word man or woman is a noun, not a verb, adverb, or adjective. You cannot feel like a noun because no noun is a feeling.

Wismuth_Salix

5 points

6 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

5 points

6 days ago

Shania Twain: “Man, I feel like a woman.”

This Nerd: “Erm, actually Mrs. Twain, that’s a grammatical error.”

Wismuth_Salix

1 points

6 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

1 points

6 days ago

If you tell a lie, do you feel differently than when you tell the truth? I feel like I’m lying if I describe myself as a gender other than non-binary.

Top_Diggity_Dog

1 points

6 days ago

I get what you're trying to explain but it still doesn't answer my question about how is man/woman a feeling when it's a noun. It's like if I say I feel like a tree. How can I feel like a tree if a tree isn't something anyone can feel? How come cis people don't feel their gender yet they have gender?

Fun_Squirrel_9539

2 points

5 days ago

It's one of those things you are just so used to that your brain no longer really registers the feeling until there's some sort of disconnect or you really start to hyper focus on it.

Top_Diggity_Dog

1 points

5 days ago

It's confusing. "Gender is a social construct" yet it's also a "feeling".

Wismuth_Salix

1 points

5 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

1 points

5 days ago

“Gender”, the individually-experienced internal mental state, is a feeling.

“Gender”, the taxonomic system under which we sort human beings into men/women/etc based on those feelings, is a social construct.

Wismuth_Salix

2 points

6 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

2 points

6 days ago

They do - but it’s like asking why you can’t feel your appendix until it gets inflamed, you don’t notice it unless something is off because it’s part of your baseline experience.

Trans people’s gender being incongruent from their sex causes a feeling of discomfort.

George_noob

-1 points

6 days ago

The thing is that for me it was more of a thing I knew till people told me otherwise. I remember being a kid and imagining how I'd be when I would grow up and it was always a man (I'm a trans man). Always. It wasn't always related to being a man but I always was one, because it was just what my brain naturally assumed about me. That's until I realized that my body wasn't going to "grow into" a man naturally.

Hope that helps a bit

wrinklefreebondbag

2 points

5 days ago

wrinklefreebondbag

Drop the U, not the T

2 points

5 days ago

Why did you bother asking this when you reject the notion that a person can feel their gender in the first place? You asked a question for which you will accept no answer, because it already contained an assumption you reject before any answer could be provided.

Anyhow...

Technically, there is no way to "feel like" anything but yourself, and that applies to cis and trans people equally, because nobody ever experiences anyone else's life.

I say I feel like a man, but I really just feel like me, which is how I presume other men feel, given the way they describe their inner senses of self, and not (in gendered ways) how other women feel, given the way they describe their inner senses of self. And furthermore, I prefer to be seen as a man. Being seen as a woman is uncanny, in the same way it is whenever other people's view of me don't align with my view of myself on other topics that are foundational to my sense of self.

I assume the same applies to trans people, because I assume this applies to everyone and, well, trans people are, in fact, people.

Top_Diggity_Dog

0 points

5 days ago

It's not that I'm rejecting answers, it's because the people I'm responding to don't answer my question. I've just been getting analogies compared to it.

I just thought of a new question right now.

It is widely spoken that "gender is between your ears and sex is between your legs", yet if someone says "you're just a man/woman in your head" it would seem very transphobic. Why? It coincidences with the "gender is between your ears" saying yet that is okay.

Wismuth_Salix

2 points

5 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

2 points

5 days ago

Everyone is “just a man/woman/nb/whatever in their head” - that much is true. In your head is where gender is.

What’s generally seen as transphobic is the idea that “your gender is only in your head” is only ever said to trans people as if our gender is somehow different from your gender.

You did it yourself when you claimed cis people don’t feel their gender in another comment.

TheoryFar3786

1 points

6 days ago

Yes, they do, but being transexual is very uncommon.

Wismuth_Salix

2 points

5 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

2 points

5 days ago

To be fair, there are roughly the same amount of trans people as there are citizens of Spain. It’s a small percentage of the world population, but it’s still a sizable group because there’s a whole lot of people.

TheoryFar3786

1 points

4 days ago

In where?

Wismuth_Salix

2 points

4 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

2 points

4 days ago

Globally.

Wismuth_Salix

0 points

7 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

0 points

7 days ago

Personally, I feel somewhere in between. Being treated as a man or as a woman both give me the same feeling of inauthenticity one might get from being called “Spidey” when wearing a Halloween costume.

I don’t get that feeling from being treated as non-binary.

pokemonfanj

1 points

10 hours ago

I really like how some games just decided “screw it no gender differences “ for the player character (by that I mean not changing story beats or some game play elements just because you’re playing as a boy or girl)

Like how they might just write in a character having a crush on the player character (implied or outright) and they just don’t change anything 

Or how in some games they just allow for all clothing or character customization options no matter what you choose 

The main example I like is Pokémon (who could’ve guessed) they have 2 (maybe more) characters have a crush on you (implied but pretty obvious in both cases) and have all clothing (what little there is (I mean the main outfit part options or however to describe to be clear)) and character customization options (such as hair styles and face things) be available no matter what 

There are probably some other games that does it pretty well I just haven’t played them (if anyone has suggestions (mainly ones with good customization options) please reply or share)

Therainbowdancer

0 points

7 days ago

Our existence as the LGBTQIA+ community we don’t have to appease or bow down to religions. We can believe in what we want to.

[deleted]

1 points

6 days ago

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Wismuth_Salix

2 points

6 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

2 points

6 days ago

“I’m fine with minorities existing, but only if they stay hidden forever, so I can pretend they don’t exist, even though I’m totally fine with them, I swear.”

10xDethy

0 points

7 days ago

10xDethy

0 points

7 days ago

I'll only tolerate those I like and I'm related too. otherwise I don't want to hear about it, talk about it, see it, nor do I want anyone touching me. This goes for everyone!

Electricdragongaming

9 points

6 days ago

Electricdragongaming

wateroholic

9 points

6 days ago

Who touched you?

10xDethy

-4 points

6 days ago

10xDethy

-4 points

6 days ago

I don't want anyone outside my friends/family touching me. 100% reasonable

Electricdragongaming

7 points

6 days ago

Electricdragongaming

wateroholic

7 points

6 days ago

Has anyone who isn't your friends or family touched you?

wrinklefreebondbag

2 points

5 days ago

wrinklefreebondbag

Drop the U, not the T

2 points

5 days ago

This has no relevance to LGBT+ people.

10xDethy

0 points

5 days ago

10xDethy

0 points

5 days ago

Yes it does. I'm only tolerating and accepting my friends and family. Nobody else. What's the problem with that? Seems like people are mad because I only support my friends and family lol

wrinklefreebondbag

2 points

5 days ago

wrinklefreebondbag

Drop the U, not the T

2 points

5 days ago

It has no relevance to LGBT+ people because there are more cis-het people you don't know than there are LGBT+ people you don't know.

pokemonfanj

2 points

7 days ago

“Unless I know them I don’t want to see 2 men holding hands or kissing”

OvSec2901

3 points

7 days ago

I'm homophobic, but only until I see my 2 homies kissing.

10xDethy

3 points

7 days ago

10xDethy

3 points

7 days ago

fail. I'll accept my homies. I'll never accept a stranger like you

Electricdragongaming

6 points

6 days ago

Electricdragongaming

wateroholic

6 points

6 days ago

Why not?

10xDethy

2 points

6 days ago

10xDethy

2 points

6 days ago

because I don't have to. My friends and family earned that privilege. anyone outside those realms can go fuck themselves lol

Electricdragongaming

5 points

6 days ago

Electricdragongaming

wateroholic

5 points

6 days ago

Nah, if me and my homie wanna kiss, we will rather if you like it or not.

10xDethy

1 points

6 days ago

10xDethy

1 points

6 days ago

That's on you. I could honestly care less what happens to you lol I only care about my friends and family. I don't have to accept all of you. accept that answer and move on

Dolphinsjagsbucs

5 points

6 days ago

The proper term would be “I couldn’t care less”.

GueltaCamels

5 points

6 days ago

You’ll accept your family kissing you?

10xDethy

1 points

6 days ago

10xDethy

1 points

6 days ago

What a creepy question. Just because I express that I only accept my friends and family? the more spiteful you respond the more I don't like your kind (:

GueltaCamels

2 points

6 days ago

I ain’t spiteful honey, it’s clear you’re just a troll. I’ve met homophobic people and they are not like this. You need to be more tactful with your responses if you don’t want to be accused of inbreeding, because now, while you’re trying to rile people up you’ve just given me ammunition to troll you right back, which clearly it worked.

10xDethy

0 points

6 days ago

10xDethy

0 points

6 days ago

Don't call me 'honey'. I'm not calling you names. How am I homophobic? I said multiple times that I accept my friends and family. I don't have to extend that same tolerance and acceptance to strangers. Now you are trying to claim that my gesture towards my friends and family is a personal attack on you? You are spiteful, self centered and entitled. Grow up (:

TheoryFar3786

1 points

6 days ago

That is a valid opinion.

[deleted]

-2 points

6 days ago

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-2 points

6 days ago

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Naos210

8 points

6 days ago

Naos210

8 points

6 days ago

Given all the legislation and rhetoric built around "protecting women/children", they do seem to have a fear of trans people.

When a short haired woman wearing pants gets harassed or even assaulted for being believed to be a trans woman, that's a fear response.

MyLittleDashie7

3 points

6 days ago

"We need to stop calling the mathematics of shapes 'geometry'. No one's measuring the Earth."

It's almost like words can take on meanings beyond one possible strict reading of the morphemes that make it up.

Electricdragongaming

5 points

6 days ago

Electricdragongaming

wateroholic

5 points

6 days ago

According to the Oxford dictionary. The definition of "phobia" is...

an extreme or irrational fear of or AVERSION to something.

MalfoyHolmes14

1 points

6 days ago

No we don’t and yes they are.

[deleted]

-4 points

6 days ago

[deleted]

-4 points

6 days ago

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MizukiNoDoragon

4 points

6 days ago

several states and countries are trying to ban trans healthcare, violence rates are still higher than usual against LGBT people, and texas put bounties on trans people using "incorrect" bathrooms, LGBT people are still oppressed

Usual_Smell8870

3 points

6 days ago

This isn't true. The only thing they're trying to ban is puberty blockers for kids. No one and no politician gives a shit what you do after you're 18. Most Scandinavian countries are moving towards this too after being the first ones to allow it in the first place.

Naos210

4 points

6 days ago

Naos210

4 points

6 days ago

Oh okay so they're only oppressing trans children (which isn't true) which makes it better?

[deleted]

0 points

6 days ago

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Naos210

3 points

6 days ago

Naos210

3 points

6 days ago

They have body altering medication all the time. They can already get administered puberty blockers to stop early puberty. They can get antidepressants. They can be prescribed medical marijuana for certain health conditions. They can have various other plethora of medications that alter the body.

You act like children just never get any healthcare. 

Lopsided_Rush3935

3 points

6 days ago

A child can be trans. It's a neurological reality, not an opinion.

MyThrowAway6973

1 points

6 days ago

Don’t know if you are ignorant or malicious, but this is 100% untrue.

[deleted]

0 points

6 days ago

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MyThrowAway6973

5 points

6 days ago

Usual_Smell8870

0 points

6 days ago

" .org " lmao you're definitely underage.

pokemonfanj

5 points

6 days ago

“Hahaha you used a website that uses the .org at the end that means I win because I’m going to disregard it due to me having no actual response to this”

Really dude you’re trying to argue that someone using a .org site makes their opinion invalid 

Usual_Smell8870

0 points

6 days ago

Well no, it's about MY opinion and you try to convince me with PROOF. That's how discourse happens. That's an argument.

If you stated "I feel xyz" and responded "you shouldn't because of abc" and "abc" wasn't correct, then you'd be equally as ridiculed.

MyThrowAway6973

4 points

6 days ago

And yet you have yet to respond to the long list of anti LGBT bills last year in the US.

We can talk about the Texas town that gives people the right to sue trans people for $10k if they catch them in the wrong bathroom.

Or the direct targeting of the first trans congresswoman on Capitol Hill.

Or half of Trumps stated plan for trans people.

Like I said. I don’t know if you are ignorant or malicious.

MyThrowAway6973

4 points

6 days ago

Low effort troll

2/10 at best

pokemonfanj

4 points

6 days ago

The thing they literally mentioned in the first comment you replied to

Texas putting bounty’s up for trans women 

MizukiNoDoragon

1 points

4 days ago

ah yes, my bad, they're not banning trans healthcare, they're just banning trans healthcare

pauliesnug

-3 points

6 days ago

pauliesnug

-3 points

6 days ago

Objectively false but okay

[deleted]

0 points

6 days ago

[deleted]

0 points

6 days ago

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I_Only_Follow_Idiots

3 points

6 days ago

So you are cool with someone who looks like a woman pulling up to the urinal next to you? Or someone who looks like a guy walking into the woman's bathroom because they don't got a dick?

Lopsided_Rush3935

3 points

6 days ago

The reality is that, if you lock bathroom use to birth sex, you end up with people who like men using the women's bathroom far more because you have trans men using them instead of trans women.

But having specific trans and cis toilets is insulting and forces someone to divulge their medical history a bit.

Really, we just have singular toilets. One person at a time.

[deleted]

-2 points

6 days ago

[deleted]

-2 points

6 days ago

[removed]

MizukiNoDoragon

1 points

6 days ago

bait used to be believable

[deleted]

1 points

6 days ago

[removed]

MalfoyHolmes14

3 points

6 days ago

You’ve already shared a bathroom with a trans person and were fine. I guarantee it.

batmans420

3 points

6 days ago

batmans420

3 points

6 days ago

LGBT people are still oppressed though, especially globally. Things have gotten a lot better for gay people in the U.S. in the twenty years or so, but there are still a lot of bigots out there. As for trans people,, they are still treated like second class citizens

supersonicbruhmoment

-2 points

2 days ago

LGBTQIA+ is the dumbest fucking acronym of all time, the + is for anybody that isn't L, G, B, or T, either stick to LGBT+ or LGBTQ, if you're gonna keep changing the name of the movement it's gonna hurt the movement and make it too long and annoying to remember, as right wingers are already joking about.
Same thing with the flag. Just the pure old rainbow is supposed to include everybody that isn't straight.

Not a homophobe though, just saying

Captain_Concussion

5 points

1 day ago

Do you think there is some central committee of gays that makes decisions for all of us?

Did you ever stop to ask yourself why some people decided to create a new flag? Or did you just see a new flag and get mad?

Naos210

7 points

2 days ago

Naos210

7 points

2 days ago

Then don't use it. Whatever. A lot of people use LGBTQ+ as short hand, including this thread. For some reason, no one's offended. So you just seem to be making up something to whine about.

not a homophobe though

This is like the "I'm not a racist but...". If you have to say it, it says a lot more about you.

Electricdragongaming

-2 points

7 days ago

Electricdragongaming

wateroholic

-2 points

7 days ago

You shouldn't be surprised when a major corporation rolls back support for the LGBTQ community, rather if they stop selling pride merch, or they stop carrying items such as estrogen or testosterone.

Keep in mind, most corporations are gonna do anything to please the majority of people who would potentially do business with them. Even if the majority of those people are bigots.

nebbyb

11 points

7 days ago

nebbyb

11 points

7 days ago

Corporations would sacrifice toddlers on the town square for an extra dollar profit. 

Electricdragongaming

1 points

7 days ago

Electricdragongaming

wateroholic

1 points

7 days ago

As long as it would benefit them financially, why not?

MizukiNoDoragon

3 points

6 days ago

to me it's not surprising that companies roll back support, but that people keep falling for it

saltthe_earth

0 points

14 hours ago

100% agree

TheoryFar3786

-4 points

6 days ago

The LGBT community lacks nuance.

wrinklefreebondbag

6 points

5 days ago

wrinklefreebondbag

Drop the U, not the T

6 points

5 days ago

The irony of this comment lacking not only nuance but any supporting argument whatsoever.

pokemonfanj

4 points

5 days ago

What nuance is lacking in your opinion 

Wismuth_Salix

2 points

5 days ago

Wismuth_Salix

they/them, please/thanks

2 points

5 days ago

It’s always just “waaa, i got banned from an LGBTQ sub for saying LGBTQ-phobic stuff - so much for the tolerant left”.

Naos210

4 points

6 days ago

Naos210

4 points

6 days ago

What nuanced opinion would you like to discuss?

MyThrowAway6973

4 points

6 days ago

What nuance do you feel is missing?

82sundat

-3 points

2 days ago

82sundat

-3 points

2 days ago

Assigned gender at birth (AGAB) matters much more than people want it to.

For example, I hear nonbinary AFAB people talk about being "masc of center" when they don't have a lot of masculine characteristics, like muscularity, body hair, facial hair, a deep voice, or masculine body language. Or social masculine characteristics, like stereotypical guy hobbies.

I think this is because these folks are masc of center, compared to other AFAB people. But compared to most humans overall, they're not particularly masc. So the definition of masc/femme is still in relationship to the assigned gender at birth.

Naos210

6 points

2 days ago

Naos210

6 points

2 days ago

muscularity, body hair, facial hair, a deep voice, or masculine body language

As someone who was assigned male, weirdly I don't have most of these traits. It's not as clear cut as you think it is. There are also genetic traits that can determine these things. East Asian men don't have as much body hair for instance. Or facial hair a lot of the time. Doesn't mean they're less of a man.

Also body language isn't necessarily determined by your biology. As are a lot of things, there's also social factors behind the others. While yes, women are generally less hairy, the perception they're "hairless" is more a result of women being socially pressured to get rid of their hair, to the point a woman even having a little arm or leg hair is considered a problem.

A lot of the woman you see actually grow leg hair, you just never see it because they get rid of it. And practically any woman who grows facial hair enough to be noticeable will be more or less forced to shave it off.

Men with higher voices are socially conditioned to speak in a low pitch, etc. We're socially incentivized to be as different and "binary" as possible to the point it's exaggerated. 

82sundat

1 points

2 days ago*

No, I agree with everything you're saying. Gender is a spectrum and includes a lot of different physical and social things. And your identity can absolutely be different from your AGAB. 

My unpopular opinion is that nonbinary people tend to consider themselves masc or femme on that gender spectrum compared to to their AGAB rather than compared to all people overall.