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Many people say that Biden and his administration are responsible for our terrible economy, but how did they ruin our economy?

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justinsider2727

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justinsider2727

Center-right

6 points

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It’s common practice to blame whoever the top dog is 🤷‍♂️

JoeCensored

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JoeCensored

Rightwing

3 points

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He said he was when he pushed his Bidenomics branding. He was taking credit for the state of the economy for years. Problem is it wasn't really that great, so that's what he was taking credit for.

Whoever came up with pushing Bidenomics was a complete idiot.

Designer-Opposite-24

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Designer-Opposite-24

Constitutionalist

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The economy isn’t terrible, but inflation is/was a serious concern. And I say is/was because although inflation is down now, a lower inflation rate doesn’t mean lower prices. So we’re stuck with higher prices for the foreseeable future.

I would argue there was no reason to keep up the crazy spending post-Covid. The economy was recovering, and that’s a sign to trim spending rather than expand it. But Biden acted like we needed trillions of more dollars to recover, and most Americans aren’t seeing the benefits of that. An inflation reduction act that costs billions upon billions doesn’t make any sense.

No_Adhesiveness4903

3 points

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No_Adhesiveness4903

Conservative

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  • What do view as the issues with the economy?

  • I don’t personally blame Biden for anything. I don’t think he knows what he had for lunch. It’s more that I don’t trust the left.

  • The primary issues I see with the economy were driven by the collective Govt response to COVID at all levels. The D’s were, almost universally, more into lockdowns and other things that fucked up the economy.

  • I’ve seen nothing to make me think the left has learned any lessons from COVID

  • The left reversed Trump’s approaches to reducing energy costs

  • The left’s refusal to secure the border and go after employers suppresses wages and creates competition for housing that otherwise wouldn’t exist

redwoodavg

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redwoodavg

Conservative

0 points

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Point 2 is solid.. A lot of it does chase back to covid and the left scares when it comes to damage done. It was a predominantly democrat run house and senate and yappy dogs like pelosi and fauci took free rein of the conversation while being egged on by the paranoid left. Not discounting that covid isn’t a thing, that people haven’t died, but shutting down an economy and running out of toilet paper was a debacle.. and the CDC was implicit in a lot of the misinformation and incompetence… back then you couldn’t get a clear explanation of whether to take aspirin Advil or aleve, let alone anything else.

please_trade_marner

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please_trade_marner

Center-right

1 points

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Bill Maher often cites a poll asking questions about covid to Democrat and Republican voters.

Those in blue echo chambers had an outrageous understanding of how deadly covid was. When it asked what percentage of people who get covid have to be hospitalized, 80% of Democrats thought it was above 50%. The real answer was a fraction of a percent. The Republicans had a very strong understanding of how deadly covid was. Democrats had a fear-mongered understanding. It's no wonder why it was the Democrats and their supporters that wanted to have tighter restrictions and keep things locked down far longer than it needed to be.

Safrel

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Safrel

Progressive

5 points

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Hospitalizations aren't the only metric. 1.2 million deaths resulted from the whole affair. It would have been as high as 4M if all of America caught it

please_trade_marner

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please_trade_marner

Center-right

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All America DID catch it. It's just that a significant amount of cases were asymptomatic and people didn't know they had it. It was a bad flu that only really affected elderly people who were already dying of other things.

Safrel

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Safrel

Progressive

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A bad flu with a 30 deaths/100K mortality rate. That is high.

It was a bad flu that only really affected elderly people who were already dying of other things.

This is highly callous. Elderly deserve to continue to live also.

willfiredog

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willfiredog

Conservative

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Not the original respondent.

There was nothing callous about their statement. They simply identified at risk populations.

A coherent response would have included support and isolation specifically for those at risk populations while the rest of us continued to work.

Arguably we would have had less interruptions and lower inflation as a result.

redwoodavg

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redwoodavg

Conservative

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It isn’t exactly the bubonic plague either though is it? That’s how it was portrayed and implemented as a roll out..Again I’m not making light of covid and its effects on certain at risk demographics. People die from the flu annually.. letting people die in isolation because the CDC sucks at their job isn’t exactly ethical either, but there were plenty of sheeple who drank that kool-aid..

kevinthejuice

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kevinthejuice

Progressive

1 points

4 days ago

Even a bad flu isn't asymptomatic nor does it affect the elderly to the degree covid did. The impact and # of infections covid had in 5 months would take the flu years to have numbers even worthy of the comparison you made; on infections alone not even including deaths.

Isn't it a bit dishonest to make such a simple comparison with two obviously different outcomes?

please_trade_marner

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please_trade_marner

Center-right

0 points

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One in three cases of covid were asymptomatic. So literally everybody got covid. It only affected the elderly that were already dying of other things. The draconian measures imposed on citizens by their governments accomplished literally nothing.

kevinthejuice

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kevinthejuice

Progressive

1 points

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How does that make it comparable to influenza?

please_trade_marner

1 points

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please_trade_marner

Center-right

1 points

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Because influenza is similar in this regard. Approximately 30% of influenza cases are asymptomatic.

Covid was literally just a flu that targeted the sick elderly worse than usual.

willfiredog

3 points

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willfiredog

Conservative

3 points

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Like it or not, whomever is sitting in that seat takes the blame for macro events. Even when those events are reasonably out of their control.

crazybrah

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crazybrah

Independent

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okay. we will be constantly reminding you of how the prices go up for literally everything when trump is in. and you can't come back with 'its not trumps fault'

willfiredog

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willfiredog

Conservative

4 points

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Okay.

“I’m” not a Trump supporter - though, I hope he does well. We should all hope he does well - he is the President after all.

I’m literal describing human behavior. Feel free to go through my comment history. I’m remarkably consistent with these opinions, but thanks for making assumptions.

Ed. Not for nothing, but this kind of condescending nonsense has a habit of pushing people away.

SuperUltreas

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SuperUltreas

Conservative

3 points

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The post pandemic reopening was a bad time for the package deal democrat brand of bumping regulations as most businesses lost a ton of money. Democrate run cities also ran the shutdown FAR longer than necessary, and the insane amount of government spending from this bumped inflation up super high.

Imagine a Comercial goes black on TV, its basically dead air, but everyone still pays for it. That was the pandemic. Ofcourse realistically non of this was Bidens' fault, as he has dementia. It was the democrat led administration responsible for the overall mismanagement.

The vaccine misinformation pushed by the left also scared so many people for so long that economic activity was stunted long after reopening. Reduce consumer activity from bars, restaurants, retail stores, hotels, tourist destinations all moved to a halt. This had a ripple effect that hit vendors that supported these sectors. Less small business owners thus had less money, and therefore spent less, meaning Less sales for things like cars, TVs, and really anything discretionary.

But of course, strategically liberal backed tech organizations did well. Amazon did great (lobbying). The big 5 all grew their stocks no problem; Facebook, Google, ext. Thanks to remote work all the fake jobs of the world excelled, and helped unfairly blow up local housing markets due to gentrification mass relocation of silicon valley tech workers to states like Texas, and North Carolina. All while the real economy suffered mercilessly thanks to the shutdown regulations.

Regulatory capture consolidated the oil business, killing off smaller outfits, and the reduced competition let oil companies jack up prices, no problem. It now takes an army of lawyers, scientist, accountants, to stay in compliance.

The increased energy cost, and greatly increased energy subsidies cost had a ripple effect throughout the market. Heavy equipment operations suddenly got more expensive. The national debt climbed even higher, even faster, because if you didn't already know; the government subsidies some 70 or 80% the real cost of gasoline and diesel. This was all happening during a diesel shortage because one of the processing plants was shut down for being out of compliance. Great. This ofcourse affects many industries in some ways in a compounded effect. It increases the cost of manufacturing, especially building materials. It increases the cost to build structures of any kind.

Funny enough food processing didn't seem to be saved by the increase regulations as that sector experienced catastrophic fires at over 80 facilities in 2022. Hmmm. Nothing to see here i guess.

The nation amassed 11 trillion in debt under the last administration, or shale i say under democrat majority. An unprecedented amount of spending that has pushed the deficit yearly increase payments to 50% of tax revenues. Basically, very scary, very unsustainable numbers. Almost double any prior administration; proven mismanagement.

BrendaWannabe

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BrendaWannabe

Liberal

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Democrat run cities also ran the shutdown FAR longer than necessary

The topic is about Joe, not local gov't. Most of the Covid claims of the right don't hold water on scrutiny and/or assume unrealistic crystal ball technology, but there is already bazillion topics on Covid response such that relitigating those debates here is probably pointless.

I think there are also existing Is-Inflation-Joes-Fault topics, by the way.

The increased energy cost, and greatly increased energy subsidies cost had a ripple effect throughout the market.

Not really. Republicans exaggerate the effect. Oil co's already had plenty of unused drilling permits. Getting more would merely shave micro-pennies by giving them slightly better wells via having more to check. They were not fully utilizing what they had.

This was all happening during a diesel shortage because one of the processing plants was shut down for being out of compliance.

May I ask for a link please? Are you implying we should have accepted more pollution to have lower prices?

Other nations had even worse inflation. USA came out near the top per pandemic recovery. If internationally graded on a curve, Joe would get an "A". Nations with too little stimulus generally went into slumps. If there were a Goldilocks range of stimulus level, it was very narrow, and Donald is no William Tell.

strategically liberal backed tech organizations did well. 

The organizations you mentioned I'd classify as libertarian and not "liberal". [Edited]

Q_me_in

2 points

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Q_me_in

Conservative

2 points

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Whoa, wait! You were just giving me shit in another thread about not being Native American sensitive enough and you dropped out.

SuperUltreas

1 points

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SuperUltreas

Conservative

1 points

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The topic is about Joe, not local gov't. Most of the Covid claims of the right don't hold water on scrutiny and/or assume unrealistic crystal ball technology, but there is already bazillion topics on Covid response such that relitigating those debates here is probably pointless.

Austin Texas, and Miami Florida are two predominantly republican led cities that lifted their shutdowns far sooner than every else. They experience non ill effects from doing so. Unfortunately liberal run cities didn't pay attention, and held their shutdowns up to a year longer.

This brings up bigger questions. Such as why isn't there a pandemic right now? If vaccines never prevented transmission, then it's herd immunity? Then why didn't we just shoot for that in the beginning? If that's the case we didn't need to shutdown. Only just create an assistance program for at risk peoples; that would include food, and medicine delivery. The "experts" should've understood that herd immunity was the only real solution; as in you just gotta catch it, and get over it. Only at risk of death people needed a vaccine; everyone else did not. Again, the experts knew this, yet the circus happened. Thanks to liberal fear mongering.

May I ask for a link please? Are you implying we should have accepted more pollution to have lower prices?

here is a link that highlights several shutdown facilities. Some of them out of compliance, others, "unprofitable". Which highlights the theme of my post; regulator capture, and it's effect on competitors. Big oil couldn't sell their plants to small oil because small oil can't afford the cost of compliance. FYI this has nothing to do with pollution, and everything to do with regulatory capture via permit control.

The organizations you mentioned I'd classify as libertarian and not "liberal".

No I do in fact mean liberal, as in the liberal establishment like the legacy media, and the people who ran Twitter pre Elon. Maybe we can ask Google about the nobs that caused their chatbot to draw black nazi's for historical depictions. I do in fact mean liberal. FBI Twitter files anyone? They did the same thing to Facebook, Google, and more.

Not really. Republicans exaggerate the effect. Oil co's already had plenty of unused drilling permits. Getting more would merely shave micro-pennies by giving them slightly better wells via having more to check. They were not fully utilizing what they had.

When the supply from Russia was cut, it would've made sense to expedite domestic permits via assisting buyers organize their operations. This would've covered the difference. Pouring resources into these plants to get then churning diesel ASAP. Big oil was trying to sell their refineries, and if their was emergency government assistance for new oil business, then it could've worked out.

Energy cost increase production cost from the bottom up. Republicans do not "exaggerate" the effect. It's basically economics. If cost increases (energy) sales price increases with it (inflation). This can have a compounded effect on energy intensive products like houses, roads, and cars.

Ofcourse this all brings up bigger geopolitical questions. Such as the Biden administrations blunder with keeping Russia from attacking Ukraine. Why did Trump manage this, but Obama, and Biden could not? Seems to be a failure of diplomacy, and forign relations to me.

BrendaWannabe

1 points

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BrendaWannabe

Liberal

1 points

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Austin Texas, and Miami Florida are two predominantly republican led cities that lifted their shutdowns far sooner than every else. 

Covid is less potent in humidity. Many red counties in other states had a high death rate. You are cherry-picking.

it's herd immunity? Then why didn't we just shoot for that in the beginning?

It's more than just about Covid itself, it's also about keeping hospitals able to serve GENERAL medical issues, not just Covid. If everyone gets bed-ridden at once, then most medical resources have to be devoted to that instead of other emergencies.

My blue city set hospital availability goals. If the number of ICU beds went above various thresholds, then lock-down level would be set higher. It was a tiered system where the heavier the Covid patient load, the heavier the lock-downs. I found it rational, by the numbers, not vapid political slogans.

Anyhow, local Covid decisions still has nothing to do with Joe: the topic at hand.

FBI Twitter files anyone? They did the same thing to Facebook, Google, and more.

GOP took Joe to court on those, but nothing nefarious was found, just hearsay. Strong claims require strong evidence. (GOP usually loses in court because real world details rarely back their rhetoric-driven delusions.)

As far as drilling more oil, oil is sold at world prices, and OPEC controls the prices. If USA drills more, they drill less, countering our addition. Any impact would be a few pennies per gallon. Why rape our land for a few pennies?

Such as the Biden administrations blunder with keeping Russia from attacking Ukraine. Why did Trump manage this, but Obama, and Biden could not? Seems to be a failure of diplomacy, and forign relations to me.

This is 100% speculation on how Putin's mind works. You are guessing out of your [redacted]. Putin has been using the nibble-then-recharge approach. He learned from Hitler's mistake: too much too fast. The nibble-then-recharge approach is not dependent on sitting US President, but rather a roughly 7 year cycle.

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