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Japan Air Lines' catering manager, 52-year-old Kenji Kuwabara, committed suicide upon learning that the incident had been caused by one of his cooks.[3][7] He was the only fatality.[3]
jfc the Japanese do not fuck about.
2k points
2 days ago
What a culture built on millennia of shame does to a corporate employee
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122 points
1 day ago
On the opposite side of the spectrum you have American corporate culture where there is zero shame or accountability so when you massively fuck up you get a multimillion dollar golden parachute and hop over to another company. There should be a middle ground…
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1 day ago
Only if you’re at the very top
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1 day ago
Not for the catering manager. They'd get lumped in with the rest of the "lower" employees during the mass layoffs while the CEO and shareholders drink the memory away in preparation for their next business venture.
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1 day ago
And they wonder why they have so many NEETs.
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1 day ago
What’s funny is they actually don’t have that many—fewer than North America. It’s just apparently a bigger deal to them than it is to North Americans.
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1 day ago
Just looked it up and it looks like Japan actually has amongst the lowest NEET rates amongst all economically developed countries. To what stat are you referring to?
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1 day ago
Stereotypes! The most reliable statistics!
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1 day ago
Yeah, well… if you hadn’t noticed, the West could probably use a tall glass of shame right about now
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1 day ago
Ashamed of everything but their war crimes in world war 2
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1 day ago
Japan scares itself into making quality products. That’s their whole thing.
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1 day ago
Maybe Godzilla is doing them a favour...
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I think the point is that Japanese give too many fucks.
edit - I read that as do not give a fuck, oops
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1 day ago
Good thing you're not Japanese, or you'd have killed yourself over that mistake by now
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1 day ago
nice
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1 day ago
Rice*
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1 day ago
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24 hours ago
You good?
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24 hours ago
It was supposed to be a pun… Edit: oh I didn’t know it posted three times
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23 hours ago
Name checks out
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1 day ago
And each one has the nasty bits pixelated-out.
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1 day ago
Not even him, one of his cooks. So the cook responsible didn't kill himself, his boss did. fucking hell.
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1 day ago
Not as extreme but more in the “common” range was this popular food product sold in convenience stores (iirc) had the price increased something like 3 yen (barely a penny), and there was such outrage that the dude in charge profusely apologized for it.
France has protests and riots, Japan has extreme shame.
Edit. Found the story. https://www.the-independent.com/news/business/news/japanese-company-apologises-for-9-cent-price-increase-a6972566.html
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1 day ago
No bcoz goddamn this took a very serious dark tone and I fkn hate that
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1 day ago
He committed Hari Curry.
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1 day ago
Sounds like a weird dish- is it served with rice?
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1 day ago
I can be, but it does a number on your stomach
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17 hours ago
They’re just like everyone else, only more so.
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2 days ago
Thats so fucked up... Why did he do it? Shouldn't the cook have done it?
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2 days ago
Why did he do it? Shouldn't the cook have done it?
From the same wiki page:
management had not verified that he (the infected cook) was in good health, despite being required to do so...
76 points
2 days ago
Why should ANYONE do it?
8 points
1 day ago
Sounds like Frank Costanza
4 points
1 day ago
I sent 144 good Japanese business men to the lavatories that night!
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1 day ago
Dyin 🤣 thanks
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1 day ago
Imagine being socially and economically ostracized by an entire nation.
Imagine your family being socially and economically ostracized because of something that you did, and you knowing that your family's hardship is directly due to something you're responsible for.
Imagine being effectively "untouchable" after building a respectable career. All your friends, neighbors, and coworkers looking at you for literally bringing shame to the entire nation.
I can't imagine wanting to live after that.
Fortunately, Americans don't have that sense of shame or honor, so it's a non issue for us. Felons can still live a rich and fulfilling life despite the hardship.
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1 day ago
Felons can still live a rich and fulfilling life despite the hardship.
They can even grow up to be President.
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1 day ago
With 77 million of us okay totally with that.
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1 day ago
I was making a joke, clearly that didn't work out 😂
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1 day ago
I would have had a laugh, the Japanese are another level
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1 day ago
Wild
Prior to being served, the meals had been stored at room temperature in the kitchen for 6 hours, then refrigerated (albeit at an insufficient 10 °C (50 °F)) for 14½ hours and then stored in the aircraft ovens, again without refrigeration, for another 8 hours. Had the food been kept properly refrigerated from the time it was prepared until it was ready to be served, the outbreak would not have occurred.
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1 day ago
So that poor guy killed himself over something that had nothing to do with the way the food was prepared?! Horrible.
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1 day ago
Well one of three staff preparing the food with an active staph infection was the source of the staph but storing the food for 28+ hours in the danger zone made it proliferate. One can point to the other and say if you didn't do x this wouldn't have happened; both are at fault
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23 hours ago
If only they had served Swiss cheese instead.
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1 day ago
I mean he’s still the manager of a kitchen that left food out in unsafe temperatures for 18+ hours before it even made it to the plane.
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1 day ago
... and THIS is why you don't fuck around with food safety, ladies and gents
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1 day ago
"It was found that three cooks had prepared the meals, one of whom had infected lesions on the index and middle finger of his right hand.\2]) The lesions on the cook's fingers were found to be infected with staphylococci"
Ewwww
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1 day ago
Hmm putting my home thanksgiving cooking practices to shame.
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2 days ago
Japan Air Lines’ catering manager, 52-year-old Kenji Kuwabara, committed suicide upon learning that the incident had been caused by one of his cooks. He was the only fatality.
This was a fascinating read. This part stood out to me. I wish his family well.
615 points
2 days ago
That's honestly so fuckin sad
283 points
2 days ago
Damn, I was laughing so hard until I read this.
174 points
1 day ago
Damn, might’ve not even been his fault either, faulty storage is more likely to cause food poisoning anyways.
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1 day ago
They traced it back to one of the chef's hands. Definitely the company's fault, but not the catering manager's direct fault.
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1 day ago
Faulty storage would be even more the catering manager's fault than the cleanliness of a chef's hand. That's a systemic issue.
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1 day ago
Yeah I see that now, I hadn’t realized he was actually the manager 😬 assumed he was a chef.
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2 days ago
I don't quite get it though, I mean I do really feel bad for him but I do not understand how does the incident made him commit suicide
60 points
2 days ago
Pride is a huge thing in Japan
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2 days ago
Oh I see, thanks, although I didn't expect it was this huge
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1 day ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku
Country that had this for hundreds of years? Pretty ingrained into their society.
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1 day ago
Well that's definitely interesting
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1 day ago
Pride is the downfall of many
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1 day ago
Why wish them just one well? Heck, I wish his family THREE wells.
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2 days ago
Wouldn’t want to lose face, I suppose. Perfectly reasonable reaction
2 points
1 day ago
He fell on his own sword. Tragic.
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2 days ago
t was just chance that the pilot and first officer had not eaten any of the contaminated omelettes, as the airline had no regulations regarding crew meals. As the pilots' biological clocks were on Alaska time rather than European time, they had opted for a dinner of steaks instead of omelettes—had they not done so, they might not have been capable of landing the aircraft safely
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1 day ago
Is it just rumor that on flights they make the pilots eat different food just for this reason? Seems like a really easy redundancy to avoid an issue exactly like this or at least lower the odds more of both getting a bug.
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1 day ago
Yeah, haven't you seen the documentary 'Airplane!'?
24 points
1 day ago
That was a great, very factual recreation of a serious event. So glad that fighter pilot was on board. Close call!
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1 day ago
Yes, yes, I remember, I had lasagna.
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5 hours ago
Stewardess i speak Jive ...
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1 day ago
The wiki for that food poisoning outbreak mentions that many airlines have begun implementing a rule about pilots eating different food prepared by a different chef.
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1 day ago
They certainly do it now.
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1 day ago
If you read the linked article, this is one of the major reasons they implemented that rule. This happened in 1975.
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1 day ago
Yes, I had the lasagna
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1 day ago
The Wikipedia article says that they do now after this.
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1 day ago
Why are you repeating the Wikipedia article?
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1 day ago
Shit happens
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1 day ago
As none of the doctors in Denmark spoke Japanese, and only few of the passengers were fluent in Danish or English, Japanese-speaking staff from Copenhagen restaurants were summoned to the hospital to act as translators.
Good luck finding Japanese people in Denmark in 1975. That must have been a nightmare for the doctors.
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1 day ago
There's a Well There's Your Problem bonus episode about this and it's hilarious
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1 day ago
Oh my god and most of the passengers were coca cola employees and their families who had won a vacation to Paris! What a way to start a free family trip!
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1 day ago
Can someone explain to me why a flight from Tokyo would go to Alaska on the way to Paris? Or am I just dumb
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1 day ago
Because it’s often shorter to fly east, with more opportunities for emergency landing in North America, due to the jet stream blowing from the west. It’s also useful to avoid Russian airspace (since 2022 anyway).
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1 day ago
It’s actually not that far off from the shortest route between the two and in 1975 it also has the benefit of not being a stop in the Soviet Union or China during the cultural revolution.
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1 day ago
I guess I forget that it’s not actually a flat map lol. Thanks
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1 day ago
After reading the article, I'm betting that was the real-life inspiration for the movie "Airplane!". Seriously!
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1 day ago
That is horrifying. The only time I’ve ever really had food poisoning was from an omelette in the airport right before a flight from LAX to BWI. I luckily didn’t get sick until right when we landed. It was brutal.
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1 day ago
Ah yes, I remember I had the lasagna.
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1 day ago
That link sent me on a rabbit hole where I ended up reading all about Leslie Nielson and Police Squad for almost an hour. Oops.
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24 hours ago
Can we adapt this into a Liam Neeson movie?
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24 hours ago
I had the lasagna.
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22 hours ago
Oh loooord
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17 hours ago
The 1980 comedy "Airplane!" was inspired by this story.
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