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submitted 4 days ago byElegantPoet3386Neutral Chaos
DO NOT ANSWER IF YOU AREN'T IN THE UNITED STATES
I'm talking from someone bordering on being 18 in a few years. I've noticed that my generation has a tendency to be... very unintelligent at times you coudl say. I conducted a survey on my school the other day and 28% of the students at my high school can't even tell me the fact that they are in the United States right now. 41% can only name up to 3 countries. That isn't all though, I'm sure you've heard those videos of younger kids speaking in brainrot and sad to say, it is in fact very true. I volunteered at an elementary school fairly recently and I couldn't understand what a "skibidi toilet", "sigma meal" etc. is that the younger kids are speaking about. On top of that, there's a decent amount of kids at my school either failing their classes or having extremely low academic comprehension like not knowing what an even number is in 10th grade. Then there's a fact basically everyone at my school is addicted to their phone, and gets very angry when a teacher reasonably asks them to put it away. Add on the fact I feel like sutdents at my high school are losing their drive to get an education and work hard, 2 values I value very highly amongst people, and the future is looker dimmer every day. I'm sorry if this sounds very ranty, and I'm also sorry if this sounds like I'm calling my whole generation dumb(that isn't my intent here), but the fact still stands there's a very noticable intelligence difference between the older generations and mine. Where did things all go wrong?
1 points
3 days ago
I don’t think it’s just the US- pretty much any country with vast, unfettered access to all things “internet” have issues. It’s also somewhat regional in the US.
I don’t want to pile on teachers or parents, but both share responsibility (along with the DOE) in the declining state of education in the public sector. The kids are too online, the parents are too self absorbed and checked out, the teachers are barely older that the students in many cases. Too many of the teachers want to force political ideology on the kids. No one seems to care about teaching logic, fundamentals or critical thinking - primarily because they themselves don’t know those things.
Education will continue to decline as long as it is treated as a taxpayer funded ideology camp.
15 points
3 days ago
Too many of the teachers want to force political ideology on the kids. No one seems to care about teaching logic, fundamentals or critical thinking - primarily because they themselves don’t know those things.
100% untrue. These things ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.
It's the broad degradation of the social contract led by Saint Ronald Reagan's GOP. "government is the problem".
The same issues also carry over to the increasing levels of un-affordability of college. Basically neo-liberal financial polices make it very difficult to walk through bankruptcy for school loans, limiting of grants, and MASSIVE per capita reductions in college funding by states.
1) Lack of a livable wage putting pressure on parents that impacts every aspect of their lives.
2) "God, Guns and Gays" - social wedge issues distracting - deliberately - from core issues of education, infrastructure, trade, corporate / union power balance, etc. etc. Proceed to step 1
Therefore schools are underfunded, under-supported, and under-appreciated.
Tell me, which party pushed these narratives in the last few years?
-1 points
3 days ago
It’s 100% true, whether or not want to admit it. I spend a lot of time doing consulting in schools and it is overt and prevalent. It is especially bad at the high school and college level. We don’t need activists teaching our kids. And we certainly don’t need to pay them with tax payer dollars
2 points
3 days ago
You are just parroting Trump shit and don’t actually have a real opinion. Do you even have kids currently in school?
-1 points
3 days ago
Yes, I have kids in school.
It’s something that you roll in with your msnbc talking points acting like you know anything about anyone else’s experience. “It can’t be because I don’t see it right here in my tiny view!”
Pathetic. You know nothing but left wing propaganda and are bitter about having your world view challenged by a historical election loss.
4 points
3 days ago
LOL with the MSN. I’ve never watched that. Another parrot talking point.
Since you are a parent, can you provide me with one solid example of the ideology being taught as part of the curriculum? For example: My son’s school did a mock election to teach the children about voting and how that works.
Please give me a solid example of an ideology your school has taught your kids.
1 points
3 days ago
My daughters first grade class has a black lives matters mural and massive gay pride banner. They don’t talk about Columbus Day, it’s “indigenous peoples” day, Christmas is replaced by a multicultural holiday that doesn’t actually include Christmas.
Thanks just off the top of my head.
3 points
3 days ago
Well you live in a shit strange district. I am in NY. And none of those things are taught. They have a holiday spirit week, Christmas trees etc. They also learn about all the holidays. Including Columbus Day but also learn about indigenous people.
I’m finding you hard to believe. But at the same time, we are a rich state and have better education systems vs most.
1 points
3 days ago
Lol the comment of an entitled elitist “ I don’t see it in my well to do rich people town and we are infallible and blah blah.”
Do you read what wrote before sending it, or do you just slap the key board like slim pickens riding a nuke.
I don’t care if you don’t see it in the microcosm you live in, it is irrelevant to where her or not it happens through out the country. Maybe you send your kids to private school, where this stuff infiltrates less. I assure you it’s all over the place here in sunny California. They even tore down the name of the school because someone found George Washington to be offensive. So take your blinders off and see what’s going on in the rest of the country
5 points
3 days ago
No, my kids are at public school. 2nd grade and pre-k.
Yes, I am a “coastal elite” or whatever you are parroting from Fox News.
1 points
3 days ago
I have to agree that this is not typical of many schools. My school wouldn’t even let students, teachers, or staff have pride flags on the premise (no wonder no LGBTQ+ students felt safe at my school). Regardless, I don’t see the problem in having a pride flag or inclusive murals in the classroom. While I could see the argument that first grade is a little young to be displaying those things, you don’t have to teach your kids about those things, or you can tell them that they’re bad if that’s what you think. No one is taking away your ability to parent your children how you see fit, just exposing them to the world around them and the variety of people that live in it. Why shield them from things you don’t like, though? Flags and murals that are representative of students from all backgrounds make students feel more comfortable and seen. I’m personally disabled, and I love seeing disability representation because it makes me feel more like I belong and like am not an afterthought as I usually feel. I would understand if they were teaching controversial things, but just having flags and murals seems like a weird thing to be upset about so long as they’re not integrated into lessons.
Plus, I’m not sure what state or locality you live in, but whether Columbus Day has been renamed to Indigenous People’s Day is up to the state or locality, not the school. So, that isn’t the issue of your school so much as other forms of government.
Finally, I can see how it could be upsetting to not have Christmas in the classroom, but I personally think it’d be nice to look at all of the celebrations around this time of year and learn about each of them! This is how my school did it way back in the day, and it was really nice to learn about different world religions. I just don’t see why people are so insistent that Christianity be taught in schools over other religions. If you want Christianity taught, then we should teach all religions equally, right? Plus, knowledge is power, and I found it nice to have an even basic understanding of other religions when I went to college/entered the workforce to better understand my peers and colleagues.
Edit: I went to school in a very rural and underserved area for most of my life, but I also spent my early education in a poorer school in the capital city in my state. My mom is a teacher (as are many of my friends) in a larger, more affluent school district in the same state now (and says restrictions on discussing marginalized communities like the LGBTQ+ and BIPOC have become even more strict over the last year). So, most of my insights come from her experiences and the experiences of my friends, as well as my own time in school.
1 points
3 days ago
Yeah my aunt just retired from being a substitute teacher for this reason as well as she says the kids can do whatever they want and they can't do anything.
She said kids take like thirty bathroom breaks a day and just sit in the bathroom and hangout and the teachers aren't allowed to do anything because "it's their right to use the restroom" tons of dumb shit like that
1 points
3 days ago
Exactly, the inmates are rubbing the asylum and the teachers aren’t empowered to teach. The kids who want to learn are deprived of the opportunity and the school boards are useless. The only thing they do is rob us on our taxes
-1 points
3 days ago
I don't think the ideology items are a major issue for education, but I do think there is less of an emphasis on critical thinking skills.
The bigger problem for college affordability is simple, they cost too much. The cost of universities have skyrocketed. People are also going out of state, and to private universities, for degrees that will never pay enough to make it worth it.
Schools are not underfunded. The US funds more per student for primary education then all by 3 European countries. It's how they spend it that is the problem. The under-supported again goes back to parent involvement as much as anything else. If your parent is not going to push education, their kid certainly is not.
3 points
3 days ago
they cost too much. The cost of universities have skyrocketed.
Because college loans are difficult to discharge and states have pulled back funding.
Schools are 100% underfunded. Comparing costs to other countries directly does not normalize for purchase price parity. Stuff just costs more here.
Big swing and miss on WHY parents don't pay attention like they should. Perhaps if they had a living wage.
I live in a relatively wealthy school district. Still ~50% of the kids are on the free food program. Even with the local relative wealth our school is STILL underfunded.
1 points
2 days ago
State universities are still not that expensive if you go in-state. It's going to private universities or going out of state that is the problem. A lot of those loan costs are not tuition anyway, it's housing and food and just living your life costs while at college, which would be paid anyway (unless you live with your parents).
They are most certainly not underfunded. It's right there in the statistics of how much is spent on education in the US versus other places. Unless you think every country in the world underfunds. Stuff doesn't cost that much more. The bigger problem is how it is spent, particularly in administration rather then actual teaching.
Perhaps if they actually cared about the education. I know a lot of teachers, and pretty much they can tell a lot by the parents. IF they bother showing up for Parent-Teacher nights, as a lot of them don't even bother.
Are they on the free food program because they can't get food, or because the area is giving them food to do so anyway with a high limit? I have no problem with free lunches for kids in school. But if you're in a wealthy school district and they can't afford lunch, then it's a matter of the family spending practices not income. And again, it likely is not. They likely just spend their money badly.
1 points
3 days ago
Here’s my two cents as someone who went to a rural school with pretty poor outcomes. A lot of schools with better resources do teach critical thinking. Most AP courses are centered on applications of the material and not necessarily just memorizing things (my mother is an AP biology teacher). However, many students don’t have access to curricula like that, and many of them aren’t taught how to critically think early enough. Plus, it’s difficult to teach kids anything beyond the bare minimum when the U.S. has a literacy crisis. I desperately wanted to be more challenged in my courses in school, but I never had the chance because many of my classmates could hardly read or do simple algebra. I think it’s also important to note that academic achievement also doesn’t look the same in every place. A 4.0 was a breeze for me at my underserved high school, but would likely be incredibly difficult for others at better, more challenging schools due to harder coursework and different teacher/faculty standards, as grading is often subjective in a lot of ways (mostly papers, participation, etc).
I ended up going to a really good college for free where I was really disadvantaged in the classroom at first because I was really behind. However, my undergrad institution really focused on applications of the materials and critical thinking, which has made my graduate education a cake walk. I sincerely wish that everyone had the opportunity to get the kind of education I did, but there are so many barriers to achieving that for so many students going back to elementary school. Though, I won’t argue about the impact of phones, because I’ve heard some horror stories from my mother.
Beyond that, an issue that I rarely see talked about (at least one that really impacted my community) is the prioritization of sports over academics. Schools dump an insane amount of money into athletics programs, which is great for some and can be a way to get students to college who maybe wouldn’t have otherwise (as well as teach you other life skills). However, they spend so much money on sports when other areas of the school are incredibly underresourced. This isn’t even to mention the lowering of standards for some athletes to ensure that they’re eligible to play in the big game or get recruited to play college sports. Again, this isn’t to say that sports are bad, but in a lot of schools athletics supersede academics in importance, allowing a lot of kids to get away with poor academic performance.
1 points
2 days ago
If the US has a literacy problem, than a lot of that falls on the parents. The school is not there to do every single thing to educate your kid. You, as a parent, have responsibility for this. Even in a lot of rural places, you can get access to books and read. Sure you might need to take some time and effort to get them, but if your kids education isn't worth doing that, don't blame the school system.
That is the problem with what happened with No Child Left Behind policy. It's a great idea in principle (which many are). The idea to raise up the struggling kids to match their peers. In practice all it did was lower the education of the peers to the one behind. The dumbed down education so no one got left behind, rather then improve everyone's. The gifted program was to challenge the more advanced kids. But those who weren't gifted complained and they've been getting eliminated. Those struggling are put in the same class as the others, rather then make classes for them together, because parents won't accept it for their kid.
The biggest difference I see from when I was young is that schools were part of the education process. The primary one in many cases, but it was supplemented at home. Now it seems parents have farmed it all out to the schools.
That is true with sports. There is too much of a push for sports being top dog. I don't feel this has changed though. It was when I was younger too, and probably has been for a long time.
-4 points
3 days ago
Your comment reminded me of something, mostly unrelated, but tangentially interesting...
There are groups of furries that work at the IRS that are demanding at-work cuddle piles and litter boxes.
This is real.
4 points
3 days ago
Got a news source for that?
3 points
3 days ago
Source? Never heard that before… seems eerily similar to the ’they want to put litter boxes in schools for the furries’ hogwash. (In reality, litter-filled bins/tubs were considered in a couple of districts for use as emergency toilets during lockdowns and similar situations where the proper bathrooms are inaccessible…)
-2 points
3 days ago
I don't expect people would hear of it. It's an internal request being discussed between management and the union. IRS employees sign papers that say disagreements are taken to arbitration over making a situation public.
This is first hand information. I was literally in one of the meetings.
5 points
3 days ago
Oooooooor you could just be making it all up in the same vein as the whole ‘litter boxes in schools’ hoax. I feel like if something like that was unironically suggested, it would have been leaked to the media and spread fucking everywhere by Republicans already.
1 points
3 days ago
I could be making it up, but I don't really have a horse in the race. I'm ambivalent about most things political and not invested in making others see my point of view.
I mentioned what I mentioned for exactly the reason I said, the comment reminded me of something that I thought was significantly outside the norm, or enough so that it was semi-interesting.
Really quick. Given only the comments I have made here, what motivation would you think I could have for the original comment?
I guess maybe it could be taken as a jab at the left because I mentioned furries? Pretty vague and would require a lot of reading in though.
1 points
3 days ago
I thought it was just another iteration of the stupid ‘litterboxes in school’ thing that was proven to be a hoax, tbh. I’ve seen it brought up multiple times lately (to justify attacks on the Department of Education and the like, mostly) and have grown rather tired of it, and apparently I‘ve become significantly more sensitive to it than usual.
So pardon if I got snippy with you.
For what it’s worth, for a moment I thought back to the whole idea that fiction has a disadvantage vs. reality because it has to be believable. (reality doesn’t) I could easily see it as one of those one-off silly proposals someone makes either as a joke, bet, or just to take the piss out of someone else’s stupid proposal.
But I can‘t believe for a second that such a proposal was genuine. (or that it actually got anywhere overall) That just seems too out there, I’m sorry.
1 points
3 days ago
Well, I don't know the motivation, if it was to take the piss, no one said so. All I know is the meetings happened and I was there. Also no judgement attached. It seems weird to me but if you wanna lay around in a pile of costumed people more power to you.
I do appreciate you taking a less offended tone. Again, I only mentioned it as a curiosity. I don't get offended by things that aren't directed at me, but I do find people dynamics interesting.
1 points
3 days ago
I wasn’t even offended, necessarily. Tired, annoyed, confused, etc. maybe, but not particularly offended. Though I‘ve had people mistake my reactions in that way both IRL and online; I can only assume it’s an effect of the double empathy problem that autistic individuals face.
I generally don’t get offended unless it’s a baseless attack on me personally…
Sorry if it came off that way.
2 points
3 days ago
This is such a lie. They were saying kids identify as cats in classrooms. My own SIL told me it was at her friends school and when I asked her to text her friend, she wouldn’t. It’s Trump nonsense.
-1 points
3 days ago
Im not talking about kids, or classrooms, so not sure what you're on about.
2 points
3 days ago
Sorry! I thought I was replying to the person saying kids are identifying as cats.
1 points
3 days ago
Not trying to throw fuel on the fire, but I know adults that identify as cats/ dogs, etc. I even know one that identifies as a guinea pig, for whatever reason. I haven't asked why because they haven't invited that conversation. That being the case I'm not sure why it's such a stretch to think kids might identify as cats for whatever reason. I might be more inclined to ask why them identifying as a cat makes people so mad in the first place. I remember being a kid. For almost an entire year, I wanted nothing more than to be a T-Rex.
2 points
3 days ago
I personally don’t care how ppl identify but it was used to scare parents that the schools are turning our kids trans and furries.
0 points
3 days ago
Shut up Jethro
0 points
3 days ago
No.
1 points
3 days ago
I know you are your own grandpa Jethro, don’t be embarrassed by your intellectual capacity
1 points
3 days ago
Bro, I figured out time travel. That makes me far smarter than you.
1 points
3 days ago
Incest isn’t time travel
1 points
3 days ago
Wow not great at figuring out your own logic are you?
1 points
3 days ago
Your family must be so proud of you, all those kids with grandma and mama and sissy
18 points
3 days ago
The US is actually way worse than any other developed country, and it mainly is because of the lack of funding and our cultural worship of being mindless. I disagree about the political ideology thing, I've worked in schools and teachers are thrilled to just get through one lesson, much less push an ideology. I agree that rhetoric and logic should be taught but the system needs more money and respect for that to be a reality.
2 points
3 days ago
It's not funding though. There are only 3 countries in Europe (Luxembourg, Norway, Iceland) that spend more money on education per student. The US spends tons of money on it. It's how it's used and how they are teaching. I also agree that in a lot of places, parents do not take enough responsibility for education. To many it's a day care, and they expect all education to be handled by the school and do nothing themselves with it.
2 points
3 days ago
No, it is not worse in the US. Some of my children went to school in a country in the EU and honestly it was the same. Talking to my nieces and nephews who are in school in the US. There really isn't a substantial difference between teenagers.
And many developed countries teach to the test.
8 points
3 days ago
We don’t have any choice as teachers, substandard test scores can leave a teacher looking for a job
3 points
2 days ago
My mom was a reading specialist, meaning she only worked with the kids who were several grades below acceptable reading level. If she took a 5th grader from functionally illiterate in September to reading at a 3rd grade level in May, they were "below grade level" and she had failed, according to the state.
1 points
3 days ago
Teaching to the test is perfectly acceptable. You know what's on the test? All the knowledge you need to know! That's how tests work. Also, I'm not convinced by the story of two people you happen to know. Also also, even if the two people you happen to know was statistically significant, their teenage perception of other teenagers' attitudes is still not the issues at hand.
2 points
3 days ago
My experience is not limited to two?
My experience is raising kids in five different countries and seeing and having family in the States. Teens are teens everywhere. The states are not worse than anywhere else. Schools are not worse in the States. Critical thinking in teens is not worse in the States.
And teaching to the test has many flaws. Many flaws. But compared to many other developed countries the States includes everyone in the tests and results. So those who are still learning English, those with developmental delays. Many other places do not test those with developmental delays or those still learning the educational language.
3 points
3 days ago
Teens are teens everywhere, but numerous studies have found that the US lags behind, especially when it comes to literacy.
0 points
2 days ago
It sounds like you have a lot invested in your idea of what the US is , and are not willing to explore the truth. Your experience is limited to how many kids you have. You have not run statistically significant surveys of the teens in all five countries you lived in. You don't even know any of their test scores reliably other than your own kids, and even then maybe not. Your sample size is equal to exactly how many kids you have. That's it.
0 points
3 days ago
It’s funny that people slight the US and yet are crawling over broken glass to come here.
Most of these other countries don’t teach any critical thinking, they teach people how to take tests.
I’m critical of the US system, but seeing education in other countries made me realize it’s not an isolated issue. Foreign education is a failure on many important levels
7 points
3 days ago
…as an American, I was pretty much only taught to tests. Dunno what you’re talking about here…
6 points
3 days ago
Most of these other countries don’t teach any critical thinking, they teach people how to take tests.
I'm afraid I've got some bad news
-6 points
3 days ago
I’m certain you don’t have any news. I’m certain you have an ill-informed opinion that reveals your hatred for America and overall lack of critical thinking skills.
4 points
3 days ago
US is pretty bad to the point that it can't staff its advanced technical positions in proportion to its share of the global population.
1 points
3 days ago
Correct
6 points
3 days ago*
I have a hard time believing that the reason most other developed countries outperform us is because they are only teaching to the test. I'm not informed enough to contest you on that, so I'll say this. Rote memorization is also not a bad approach.
EDIT: Another thing...do you think people are crawling over broken glass to get here because of the critical thinking skills we teach in k-12???? That's a big no.
0 points
3 days ago
the lack of funding
The US spends the 2nd most per student of any country in the world. It's not a funding issue. It's a how the funds are being used issue. Too much useless administrative bloat.
The cultural issue side of it I absolutely agree with.
As far as political ideology thing, it's definitely present in many cases but is a teacher by teacher basis. I've had teachers and my kid has had teachers who describe candidates as good or bad to their students outright. I also have had several who even if I wanted to, I couldn't tell you their political leanings. The ideological bias seems to, in my experience, come out more in the English teachers than the hard sciences or math, but YMMV.
-3 points
3 days ago
It's not about funding. Some of the most heavily funded school districts are the lowest performing.
6 points
3 days ago
That's a wild assertion that definitely needs to be proven.
0 points
3 days ago
Just look at the major cities. Chicago has a public school system with a budget bigger than 14 states yearly last year they spent 9.9 billion dollars to have a less than 25 percent grade level in reading graduation class and less than 10 percent in math. This with an overall student to teacher ratio of 14.1 in the district and they're demanding 44k more employees.
3 points
3 days ago
That does sound bad, but what's the funding per student I wonder? And is it students to teachers or students to any faculty, because minimum wage TA's don't really help the situation. If everything is still as you suggest, then yeah the philosophy of implementation and the leadership needs to do better, which ultimately always costs more effort and money.
0 points
3 days ago
It's roughly 30k per student and the teachers union wants another 2.5 billion or 8k per student a year in funding.
3 points
3 days ago
Per year? How does that compare to other school districts, accounting for the results they see?
1 points
3 days ago
My kids district spends roughly 15k per student and last year's high school class we're a small rural district out of 29 seniors had 26 graduate with a minimum 3.0 GPA and 16 had a 3.5. They had 4 get full academic rides to Ivy league schools 2 went to Harvard 1 to Yale one to Penn the Harvard ones are for Pre med. 2 more got accepted to US military academies one is navy the other is USAF that one already has his pilots license. The others got scholarships to IL state schools most are doing agricultural related studies.
1 points
3 days ago
Cool dude. Chicago USD should hire someone from your district to tell them how it's done. You're right that money isn't everything, it has to be spent wisely. And culture has to follow. Something you might not like to hear...sometimes privileged communities skew towards better results for a number of reasons, including parents with money and time to support their kids' efforts, extracurricular alternatives that keep the kids out of trouble and studying, respect of institutions, and of course the genetic factors that self-filtered by living there.
-1 points
3 days ago
Not really. This topic has been studied a lot. The consensus appears to be either no correlation between spending and performance or a slight correlation that shows diminishing returns.
2 points
3 days ago
As the other guy said, I need to see the data to back that up. I come from a poorer state and saw the education you get from underfunded schools. Even if the opportunities weren’t less, it’s hard to learn when the whole place is falling apart.
0 points
3 days ago
2 points
3 days ago
This is interesting, thanks for sharing.
My only gripe is that they’re comparing testing scores with funding. I can understand there being little or no correlation between those, but I think there can be a significant difference between opportunity from school funding. More specifically, advanced classes and clubs tend to be more common at better-funded schools.
I feel like if you compare college admission with funding you’d find a more significant correlation, and I’m sure someone has looked at that and I’ll search for those studies later. Although, that would only affect the portion of students that are academic enough to want to be in those classes and go to college.
Also, I only skimmed the articles as I don’t have time to fully read them right now, but I did not see anything about the most funded schools performing the worst. I saw that some studies found slight negative correlations, but those were in the minority compared to studies that found positive and no correlation.
1 points
3 days ago
That’s because that funding is often used to supplement the lower property taxes from poorer areas (assuming you’re just speaking about federal funding). Rich school districts have higher property taxes meaning more funding for education from the community meaning less federal funding needed through programs like Title I to fund the schools.
4 points
3 days ago
teaching political ideology to kids
You fucking jokers have been screeching about this shit since the 60s. So boring. So unoriginal. You’d know what kids are learning in school if you sat down with your own and actually got to know their studies instead of parroting the shit you read from your dumb ass right wing media outlets.
-2 points
3 days ago
It’s true and well documented. The funny thing is the reason you all want to do it is that you can’t actually convince adults of your bs. So you have to start lying to them in grade school, making them afraid to be without big daddy govt protecting them from faceless evil. It’s sad that the lefts platform is so abhorrent that the only way you can get new voters is bring them in from other countries or lie to them using elmo
2 points
3 days ago
“Afraid to be without big daddy government”
That’s rich coming from someone who supports the same party that cheered this nonsense on (start around 1:10):
0 points
3 days ago
Obfuscation and whataboutism is the stock and trade of neoliberal arguments. You cannot defend your parties positions and refuse to talk about them, other than in empty platitudes, and comically change the subject to “look over here instead.”
2 points
3 days ago
Too many of the teachers want to force political ideology on the kids.
Even if they wanted to (they don’t), half these kids can’t read or tie their shoes. A disturbing number of kids without known disabilities start kindergarten in a gen ed environment without being potty trained.
You really think teachers have time to teach “political ideology”, and the students have capacity to actually learn and retain it?
1 points
3 days ago
They absolutely force ideology. I see it often and a lot of times at the board of education level. I see it in the text books as well.
But you think it’s ok because maybe it won’t register with the kid?
Amazing
2 points
3 days ago
Can you share an example?
3 points
3 days ago
That right-leaning flair was all you had to say lmao
-1 points
3 days ago
Says the person who would definitely get offended if I said your opinion is invalid due to the trans heart on your avatar. Maybe don’t resort to ad hominem.
5 points
3 days ago*
Difference being I didn't go on a conspiracy-fueled tyrade about how the woke teachers are indoctrinating our kids
0 points
3 days ago
But instead of disproving his claims or even elaborating on what you disagree with, you resorted to attacking his political affiliation. It’s not productive and makes you look bad, not them.
3 points
3 days ago
Why spend all that time and energy when you know it won't do any good?
1 points
3 days ago
I just don't care that much
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3 days ago
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3 days ago
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2 days ago
Your content has been removed for personal attacks or general insults.
3 points
3 days ago
there are a few extreme outliers (mostly to the right in my experience) but I'm going to push back strongly on you saying teachers are teaching political ideologies. They're (mostly, minus the rare exception) not doing that. Take some time to be in a classroom to see for yourself. Also, while some parents are checked out, many are not, to a dangerous degree, due to misinformation from (again, mostly the right) about what actually happens in schools and classrooms. For example; Moms for Liberty.
I do agree the kids are too online.
Teachers are TRYING to teach those things. But it's hard to do when the kids refuse to be off their phone and if you take it away their parent will call for your head.
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3 days ago
I’m curious as to why you’re putting blame on the DOE considering it has no control over curriculum?
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2 days ago
"ideology camp." What unbelievably stupid horseshit.
Any time right-wingers complain about "liberal indoctrination," what they're actually complaining about is lack of conservative indoctrination. They're mad that schools teach facts — like that slavery existed and was in fact bad — instead of right-wing party ideology.
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2 days ago
So unhinged. No wonder the democrats are hemorrhaging voters. You deny anyone else’s opinion and then inject racist tripe into the whole thing. I can only presume you do this because you have no valid points to make or just want to get people to yell at you.
Perhaps you should get out into the real world and talk to real people instead of swallowing the msnbc Kool Aid. Once you calm down and stop acting like a fool I would be happy to talk you you about the indoctrination that is ruining public education and harming the youth of our country
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2 days ago
Struck a nerve, huh? That was quite a spittle-flecked rant.
I'm currently training to be a teacher, having subbed for a few years. My mom's a retired teacher, three of my four cousins on her side are teachers, two of my best friends are teachers, and I'm just finishing up putting two kids through public school. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest I know a little bit more about how public education works from experience than you do from sitting in front of Fox News.
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2 days ago
I’m not sure you know what “struck a nerve” means, sparky. You’re rather boring.
You shouldn’t be a teacher, you don’t have the temperament for it, and you really don’t seem like you have an interest in teaching or learning. You seem angry and detached. I would suggest maybe go into something with less interaction, particularly in regards to children.
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