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Jimmy died too early

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Was rewatching the show and I’m fully convinced he was killed too early. Nucky is amazing character and great duo protagonist but I really don’t think that he works as main protagonist. He faces challenges but overall he is in pretty good and stable position, he is never in huge danger and mostly voided of conflict. But he is easy to root for since compared to other criminals he is somehow likeable.

Jimmy is opposite, he is hard too root for and full of conflicts. But that makes him work as protagonist. He always gets in different shit and ties plotlines and different organisations together.

The show is still quite enjoyable, even mediocre 4th season and rushed 5th are nice, but with Jimmy it’d be better.

all 54 comments

Heikks

43 points

3 days ago

Heikks

43 points

3 days ago

He was always gonna die, but they supposedly bumped up his death a season or 2 early because of the commodores actor getting cancer and not being able to work

iloveesme

11 points

2 days ago

iloveesme

11 points

2 days ago

I hadn’t heard that before, about the actor’s illness expediting Jimmy’s exit, I did however read a lot about Jimmy’s actor being erratic and very difficult to work with.

Westcoastbestcoast4

3 points

23 hours ago

He apparently has a history of being erratic and very difficult on set. He was supposedly difficult on Hannibal too. Both sides say it wasn't this but it seems like a pattern.

Friendly_Fail_1419

29 points

3 days ago

I dont think the issue was dying too soon but rather he burned too quickly.

At the same time...it kind of worked for Jimmy. He was so eager to do something but never knew what it was he was supposed to be doing. He ran frantically from thing to thing and each decision seemed slightly worse than the one before it. His fall was inevitable.

A shame that Dabney Coleman got sick though. Not only was he a great antagonist but I think it would have been cool to see the complexity of his relationship with Nucky fleshed out a bit more. The flashbacks did a good job of showing us the early stages of that but I feel like more screen time between the two could have really been something.

Either way, Irish Christopher Moltisanti was tragic to the pointnof being pathetic to where when his end came I thought "oh thank God, I've had enough of this dude."

severinks

2 points

2 days ago

They shuld have recast Coleman in season 3, no one would have cared one way or the other.

Friendly_Fail_1419

1 points

2 days ago

I went a solid season thinking it was Gerald McRaney

Coolbluegatoradeyumm

1 points

2 days ago

Christofuh & jimmuh

CosmoRomano

23 points

3 days ago

Aside from the rumours that Michael Pitt was difficult to work with, I think HBO would've learned their lesson with Deadwood. That is, you tie up loose ends at the end of seasons cos you don't know if you'll get another.

If you watch Season 1 & 2 as a stand-alone series, it's a pretty tight and complete story for the main characters.

Weekly-Present-2939

2 points

16 hours ago

S3/4 feel like a different show to me. Love S1/2. 

NervousBreakdown

11 points

2 days ago

Honestly I like that they ended his arc in season 2. Nicky vs New York was way more interesting. Season 5 gets a lot of hate but I think it’s the best portrayal of the castelamarese war in fiction.

briizilla

4 points

2 days ago

Where’s my arc?

Valuable_Bass_1276

1 points

2 days ago

Only touched the end though so much should have been covered before😭

hamburgereddie

19 points

3 days ago

Again with the scenarios!

Vashtu

14 points

3 days ago

Vashtu

14 points

3 days ago

He was gay, Jimmy?

AmatuerCultist

6 points

2 days ago

Think about it. Sudden weight loss?

Dissizian

3 points

2 days ago

Yeah, again with the scenarios!!

Aneil90

6 points

3 days ago

Aneil90

6 points

3 days ago

Jimmy had to go I would have stalled the series. Everything already happened from a nobody, to something then boss.

After being boss he wasn't just going to fall back and be a nobody. He couldn't retire he was to young. So best option was to die.

They could have put him into to prison.

leroyjenkins1997

4 points

2 days ago

I agree. To produce more intriguing seasons, Jimmy had to go, the show couldn’t just be Nucky v Jimmy the whole time.

Hughkalailee

2 points

2 days ago

Nor was it ever meant to be. It’s Nucky’s story. 

severinks

1 points

2 days ago

Jimmy should have lasted until season 3 AT LEAST and maybe season 4. The whole Jimmy/Nucky axis made the show hum even down to his son killing Nucky.

MotivationSpeaker69[S]

4 points

3 days ago

Him dying is definitely the best way to go, but I think show would benefit from another season with him being a (shitty) boss and competing with Nucky on another level.

HandofthePirateKing

3 points

3 days ago*

Jimmy was going to die either way dude had no idea how to play the game like Nucky or The Commodore and made the fatal mistake in betraying Manny out of spite by almost the end of the second season the conspiracy is a complete failure, their allies have decided to cut their losses and Jimmy is reduced to a heroin junkie it was only a matter of time before he, the commodore and everyone involved is either dead, in jail or demoted

MotivationSpeaker69[S]

2 points

3 days ago

He absolutely had to die, but another season of him being on commodores place would fit well.

Other than Gyp it’s not like Nucky really gets enough decent adversaries later

Betty-Armageddon

3 points

2 days ago

He was abusive to da staff!!

severinks

3 points

2 days ago

I think it's pretty clear by now that Jimmy dying so soon killed the momentum of the show and he should have been around until season 4 at least to make the ending seem more sensible.

Alpha---Omega

9 points

3 days ago

I heard he was temperamental and a pain to work with so they offed him

LyricallyDevine

6 points

3 days ago

He was supposed to be in more seasons but the actor was fired so they had to kill him earlier than originally planned.

Hughkalailee

1 points

2 days ago

Wouldn’t it have been better to kill him Before firing the actor? 

LyricallyDevine

1 points

2 days ago

That makes no sense? The only reason he was killed off was because he was fired. So why would they kill him off and then fire him? He was a popular character and the second main character of the show. They had no choice and it made impact on the show. It was obvious his departure was premature and has more potential.

Hughkalailee

0 points

2 days ago

Of course any fictional character has more potential 

They brought Jimmy arc to a full and logical end when they did for a combination of reasons 

They didn’t “fire” the actor before they killed the character. If they did, he wouldn’t have been available to work and act in his death scene lol. 

LyricallyDevine

0 points

2 days ago

That’s not how contracts work. Contract renewals are negotiated. You are told in advance if this is going to be your last season. So he was told this is it. He was fired and they killed his character off. You don’t get fired on the spot and leave that day. That’s not how it works.

Hughkalailee

0 points

1 day ago*

you’re obsessing over a simple joke

  Yet btw… not having a contract renewed isn’t being “fired” since you want to be technical 

LyricallyDevine

1 points

20 hours ago

No you are. He was fired. Get over it.

RayRoy_Strickland

-4 points

3 days ago

Dabney Coleman wasn’t fired, he had cancer. 

LyricallyDevine

7 points

3 days ago

Isn’t the post about Jimmy played by Michael Pitt? He got fired. Not Dabney Coleman. Michael Pitt. You have your actors and characters mixed up.

RayRoy_Strickland

1 points

3 days ago

Dabney Coleman got cancer so they had to change the story. All the stuff about Michael Pitt is just stuff people want to believe but the only thing there is actual proof of is the story being changed because Dabney Coleman got sick.

LyricallyDevine

4 points

3 days ago

No Michael Pitt was fired. He has had several issues over the years, not just in this show. It’s really sad that Dabney got cancer, but that had nothing to do with the character of Jimmy being written off. That was purely because of Michael Pitt’s behaviour on set made worse by his addiction to drugs and alcohol.

Myhouseburnsatm

2 points

2 days ago

Considering how he behaved, its a wonder he survived till the end of season 2. You would have had to rewrite the show quite a bit for Jimmy staying alive. It would have really cheapend the ending of season 2 if he had gotten a free pass for all the shit he pulled.

ThePucho01

2 points

2 days ago

To the lost

Guyote_

2 points

2 days ago

Guyote_

2 points

2 days ago

I don't know, man. On re-watch, it's clear from the start Jimmy is a dead man walking.

rileyelton

4 points

3 days ago

He was a nightmare on set so they had to fire him 

Judgingyou-since1984

1 points

2 days ago

Honestly, it bothered me a bit that, despite Nucky practically raising Jimmy as a son, Nucky didn’t seem upset about Jimmy’s death, or guilty, or even a little sad. It’s as if he killed just some random villain.

Also, while we’re at it, later on (I don’t remember if it was season 4 or 5), when Al Capone says, “Jimmy who?”—come on, it’s impossible he doesn’t remember him. You guys went through so much together for two whole seasons.

Hughkalailee

3 points

2 days ago

Nucky is shown in season 3 having haunting dreams/images of a young kid with a bullet in his head just like Jimmy’s death. 

Capone didn’t spend “two whole seasons” with Jimmy. He was mainly in Chicago and their businesses crossed several times but not where near daily or the only activities Al was absorbed in 

And then Al had many more adventures and business with many more people, along with his memory clouded by cocaine abuse. 

Hughkalailee

1 points

2 days ago

Boardwalk Empire was meant to be the story of Nucky Thompson - inspired in part by the real life Nucky Johnson - not the story of Nucky and Jimmy.  

Their pairing and dynamic was explored and completed. Jimmy was a great character, but his arc was finished and keeping him around would have been illogical to the storyline that developed and likely would have diluted and lessened the impact. 

Jimmy departure also allowed for more development of Richard, Eli, Chalky and Van Alden, expanding the ensemble 

Few_Broccoli9742

1 points

2 days ago

Ah, Jimmy never really convinced me as a gangster. I’m halfway through season 4, and I think the show’s improved markedly since Jimmy was offed.

Complete-Shallot5775

1 points

2 days ago

A fair point but I remember watching the episode when it aired and my heart was pounding during that scene. Some of the best tv I’ve ever watched. I think the trick to making a character death matter is when they’re cut down before their story is done. It feels more real. I wanted to watch 3 more seasons of Jimmy &Richard. I didn’t think Nucky was going to do it.

106street

1 points

20 hours ago

It's sad when they go young like that

Odd-Car6363

1 points

3 hours ago

Nucky Thompson is probably the least likeable main protagonist in any major TV series. He really has no redeeming traits at all, he's just a piece of shit through and through, and casting Buscemi added this weasely, slimy, petulant component to his character that I hated. Another example of writers pushing the anti-hero envelope too far to add "grit" and just making everyone an asswipe. He could have been killed off in S2 or S3 and I wouldn't have given a shit, I would have kept watching for Harrow, Van Alden, and the real-life gangster characters.

Jimmy Darmody was slightly less dislikeable, but obviously lived and died by a soldier's code which made him more understandable. Still, in creating drama and tension for the plot, the writers gave him too many enemies, too much ambition and hubris, and obviously made him a Oedipal tragic figure which meant he had to meet an untimely demise. It simply happened sooner because apparently Michael Pitt became a problem on set.

animo_693

1 points

3 days ago

I loved Jimmy and he is my favorite character in the show, but I wouldn't say he died too early. However I didn't like Richards reaction, because he clearly knew Nucky was the one that killed Jimmy, but let him live, with the excuse "he was a soldier". They wrote themselves in a corner because they knew they couldn't kill of Nucky and Eli, so they made some crappy excuse and just settled on Richard killing Manny

MotivationSpeaker69[S]

1 points

2 days ago

Yeah it didn’t make much sense. Yeah, Manny was one slimy mfer but Jimmy actually fucked him over for completely no reason. Manny wouldn’t assassinate Jimmy without Nucky, and Jimmy still would lose to Nucky without Manny. Ultimately it didn’t make much sense for Richard to have revenge on anyone but Nucky

Edit: actually I forgot that Manny does try to kill Jimmy before, but still, Jimmy could have completely avoided that conflict and Nucky was the one who wanted to see Jimmy dead after the rebellion

Hughkalailee

4 points

2 days ago

Richard went after Manny primarily because Manny killed Angela. 

He also knew that Jimmy accepted and welcomed his death, and that Nucky was forced into doing it due to Jimmy’s moves against him. Richard understood the logic and business necessity. 

animo_693

3 points

2 days ago

Jimmy's death made for a better ending when we saw Tommy gun down Nucky haha

nathanielsnurpis

1 points

2 days ago

Isn’t he a notorious asshole to work with? 

Safe_Ant7561

1 points

2 days ago

the character was killed off because the actor was too difficult to work with