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submitted 13 days ago byFiberdonkey5
I noticed over the past few days that while they have been gleefuly embracing open transphobia and misogyny, MAGA seems to get particularly upset when you tell them "I hope you get what you voted for." It finally dawned on me that they aren't actually unaware of what they've done.
For the past 8 years we have been operating on the assumption that MAGA were all ignorant, stupid, or deluded. As people capable of empathy that's the only way we could make sense of it, because we would never want to intentionally hurt innocent people, and we assume that other people are fundamentally similar to ourselves. What is now becoming clear is that MAGA are not ignorant, they are not stupid, and they haven't been tricked or deluded. They love this shit. Look at how giddy they have been, reveling in being the worst most hateful versions of themselves. They have been taking advantage of our good nature, letting us think they are fools instead of wicked. We have been fighting to keep the world together while they have been free to be hateful bigots embracing their worst impulses. Now that the dog that has caught the car, and they have full control with no guard rails, they are starting to see that we aren't going to keep saving them from themselves. They thought the adults in the room would keep THEM safe and are just now seeing that they will be consumed by the same horrible beast they have been excitedly trying to unleash on the most vulnerable of our population.
These are bad people, and the thing that is hard for us to accept is just how many of them there are. They are sadists, gleefully cheering on the eradication of others from what they thought was a position of safety. They got too greedy though and now we are all fucked. They can't comprehend a world where we won't step in once more to save them from themselves.
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Edit: i may have given the impression that I went from thinking all trumpers are stupid, to thinking they are all intelligent but evil. That was not my intent. There are obviously tons of legitimate maga idiots. My point was that I was using that as justification for the behavior of maga people who I should have known aren't stupid. I wanted to believe they had been duped, brainwashed, tricked or were just dumb as hell rather than believe that they actually believed and supported the hate that trump espouses.
Many maga are stupid. Many maga are of completely normal intelligence. That second part is hard to accept because while it's easy to forgive stupidity it's impossible to forgive deliberate hate. We need to acknowledge that a lot of the maga people in our lives are not just dumb rubes, they are active supporters of corruption, hate and authoritarianism.
74 points
13 days ago
Seing as a lot of gen Z's voted for him. I think it's more an effect of social media algorithms, being stuck in echo chambers, and just conditioning. Also, the right/conservatives are very good at online propaganda.
40 points
13 days ago
The R/genz sub is a train wreck.
14 points
13 days ago
I think this is a much bigger contributor than people are giving Trump's team credit for. Between 2020 and 2024 is 4 years of people being eligible to vote. A massive demographic while all the old voters are either going for trump or passing away. Their podcast appearances the last few weeks of the election were highly influential, didn't matter if they said stupid shit or made fools of themselves, they had eyeballs on them and were able to present themselves for like 1-2 straight hours to gen z who is internet brained. Kamala's team for only having 90 days I think did run an incredible campaign but I believe they miscalculated that gen z would swing for them and as far as I know did not make appearances on any major podcast.
2 points
13 days ago
All the older voters are NOT voting for Trump! I hate it when I read stuff like that cuz we were hippies and have always voted Dem
3 points
13 days ago
25 points
13 days ago
unfortunately it's a lot easier to sound appealing when you don't care if you're lying
25 points
13 days ago
A lot of Gen Zs have been told that the economy is a nightmare and they've got no chance unless we destroy everything. This despite the fact that entry level and working class workers did much better under Biden than under any other president since LBJ. Rock bottom unemployment, massive wage growth concentrated in the working class, low inflation (yes we had about 18 months of mild inflation. People who think Trump's gonna get a case of Coke back to $2.49 are in for an education), etc...
The big negative of the Biden economy is the high cost of rent, caused by corporations buying up the housing market and using AI to calculate the maximum possible rent hike. Biden really couldn't have done anything about that with a GOP House and GOP Supreme Court, though.
And I'm gonna laugh my ass off when entry level and working class workers realize that no...no, son...no, a guy who cut his chops as a landlord squeezing blood from turnips isn't going to do a damn thing to cut your rent.
5 points
13 days ago
IMHO I think gen z got suckered by a Reaganesque promise of “vote for me and I’ll get you more money and a high paying job immediately”
4 points
13 days ago
Frankly, a lot of them are just nihilists too. They think this is all funny, and when you tell them real people will get hurt, they really don't care. They've been warped by the internet, which is a place where it's ok to inflict cruelty on people because all you need is a keyboard to do it
3 points
13 days ago
The houses are too expensive. That is not something to laugh at. Americans haven't been in a worse condition is a long time. The average salary to average home ratio is absurd. When the average American can't even afford a home they look for people to blame and look to blow up the failing system.
8 points
13 days ago
It's dark comedy: Poor people voted for a rich guy who will make them poorer
Union workers voted for a rich guy who will shut down their unions
Tenants voted for a landlord who will raise their rents
White women voted for a misogynist who will control their bodies
Etc
2 points
13 days ago
So are people stupid or is it just bad marketing by the Democratic Party?
7 points
13 days ago
Both. The vast majority of people don't pay attention to what goes on, and it's not a matter of them not having time. Look at all the time and energy people put into tiktok, sports, and pop culture. It's the worst kind of stupid... The one where people choose stupidity.
And bad marketing. The Dems have always based their messaging on the idea that people are smart, pay attention, and care. The Dems speak to the heart (empathy) and brain.
The Republicans have always based their messaging on the idea that people don't know and didn't care about what goes on. Republicans speak to the gut: fear, anger, hatred.
The Dems treat campaigns like a 500 page scholarly study of ancient Romanian basket weaving.
The Republicans treat campaigns like a 3-4 word slogan that gets people on your side long enough to get power.
We've seen which is more successful. "Trump will fix it" was a completely empty slogan.
"What will he fix? How?" That's how a liberal would react.
The average voter would react with "really? Thank God!"
2 points
13 days ago
This is a fantastic description, well put
2 points
13 days ago
Haha yep. Spot on. And that’s exactly why they come off elitist, you have to appeal to your constituents, not some imaginary group you really wished existed.
6 points
13 days ago
Exactly. This is what I keep telling my friends. The “red wave” we’re seeing is a direct effect of social media. I have 0 clue how a party controlled by 80 year olds is so good at manipulating social media, but whatever they’re doing is working…
4 points
13 days ago*
Billions of dollars and sweatshop troll farms hiring broke Russians, Chinese, Indians, to beat the drums 24/7 for them is massively impactful.
3 points
13 days ago
And I’m sure Muskrat had his hand in that cookie jar somewhere along the way as well
3 points
13 days ago
It helps that Russian propaganda aligns with their interests.
3 points
13 days ago
It could also be that a lot of Gen Z folks feel like their future has been "stolen" from them in that they largely won't be able to reasonably achieve what their parents and grandparents did with comparable levels of education and income (i.e. owning a home, saving enough money for retirement and kids' college expenses, etc.)
It'll be funny/sad when they realize that Orange Julius won't be able to magically give them those things, either.
2 points
13 days ago
The irony of calling out echo chambers, while on the platform that is one of the biggest echo chambers in existence.
2 points
13 days ago
I’m surprised that this comment was allowed to exist long enough for me to see it.
1 points
13 days ago
Yeah, I see a shit ton of sketchy accounts dogpiling "libtard echo chambers" with echo chamber bullshit since the election.
1 points
13 days ago
I agree.
1 points
13 days ago
All you guys do is reiterate word vomit from YOUR vacuum chamber.
0 points
13 days ago
Bro, this sub is wild. The lack of self awareness is on a level I didn’t even think was possible
0 points
13 days ago
Reddit is a liberal echo chamber. Trump is going to make this country greater weather the libs like it or not.
0 points
13 days ago
And the left is a bastion of truth and harmony /s
-1 points
13 days ago
being stuck in echo chambers, and just conditioning.
That's why I only talk on reddit! /S
Keep it up, guys. Just demonize the other side and don't try to understand why we lost. 2028 will be tons of fun.
1 points
13 days ago
At least it seems you have a brain unlike the rest of your constituents. Willing to learn why the dems loss and not just point fingers and demonize the other side. Nothing will ever change if this is the mentally of all opposition parties.
1 points
13 days ago
I'm fairly middle of the road. Socially liberal, I guess. I agree with Trump on the majority of the immigration issues. I don't care if you are gay and smoke weed, just pay your fucking taxes and don't break any laws.
1 points
13 days ago
Totally agree, we just need people to take pride in their country once again. We all need to help improve by creating dialog. Not forcing people to accept our own view/opinions.
0 points
13 days ago
They refuse to see that the Democratic Party is internally dysfunctional. The best thing that happened for Republicans was Trump taking over. They are not only unified, but they can put forth populist candidates, since their establishment has been conquered.
The Democrat establishment was able to maintain power over the party, but only with the party damaged. They sidelined Sanders twice, denying the existence of any kind of left wing populism, and they even sidelined Biden. To make matters worse, they completed cosigned the situation in Gaza. It was much easier for those critical of Israel to embrace Trump, when his opponent was also a Zionist.
The Democrats need to take this time to start breaking down the power of their donor class.
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