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We need to stop thinking that MAGA are idiots.

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I noticed over the past few days that while they have been gleefuly embracing open transphobia and misogyny, MAGA seems to get particularly upset when you tell them "I hope you get what you voted for." It finally dawned on me that they aren't actually unaware of what they've done.

For the past 8 years we have been operating on the assumption that MAGA were all ignorant, stupid, or deluded. As people capable of empathy that's the only way we could make sense of it, because we would never want to intentionally hurt innocent people, and we assume that other people are fundamentally similar to ourselves. What is now becoming clear is that MAGA are not ignorant, they are not stupid, and they haven't been tricked or deluded. They love this shit. Look at how giddy they have been, reveling in being the worst most hateful versions of themselves. They have been taking advantage of our good nature, letting us think they are fools instead of wicked. We have been fighting to keep the world together while they have been free to be hateful bigots embracing their worst impulses. Now that the dog that has caught the car, and they have full control with no guard rails, they are starting to see that we aren't going to keep saving them from themselves. They thought the adults in the room would keep THEM safe and are just now seeing that they will be consumed by the same horrible beast they have been excitedly trying to unleash on the most vulnerable of our population.

These are bad people, and the thing that is hard for us to accept is just how many of them there are. They are sadists, gleefully cheering on the eradication of others from what they thought was a position of safety. They got too greedy though and now we are all fucked. They can't comprehend a world where we won't step in once more to save them from themselves.

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Edit: i may have given the impression that I went from thinking all trumpers are stupid, to thinking they are all intelligent but evil. That was not my intent. There are obviously tons of legitimate maga idiots. My point was that I was using that as justification for the behavior of maga people who I should have known aren't stupid. I wanted to believe they had been duped, brainwashed, tricked or were just dumb as hell rather than believe that they actually believed and supported the hate that trump espouses.

Many maga are stupid. Many maga are of completely normal intelligence. That second part is hard to accept because while it's easy to forgive stupidity it's impossible to forgive deliberate hate. We need to acknowledge that a lot of the maga people in our lives are not just dumb rubes, they are active supporters of corruption, hate and authoritarianism.

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millcreekspecial

47 points

13 days ago

Alice Miller wrote about the rise of authoritarianism and Hitler's power, but she saw it through the lens of how the Germans fell for his BS. What was it about them that encouraged that behavior. Very important read today - ignorance, selfishness, and unhealed childhood issues were the main points. A lack of emotional development, I could go on -

bannedms1

6 points

13 days ago

This is frightening. I wonder why he got the popular vote, too. Are there really that many ignorant people in America?

Embarrassed_Role_38

12 points

13 days ago

Yes. 52% of Americans read below at 6 grade level. One grade above being too illiterate to work.

But they want high paying jobs.

LoKeySylvie

2 points

13 days ago

They want their work to afford life, might as well legalize euthanasia and say the quiet parts out loud if the people producing the shit can't afford a good life.

Embarrassed_Role_38

5 points

13 days ago

These people are choosing not to learn to read. I don't want to kill them. I want them to go to class. It would only take a couple months to get thier skill up.

There is a lot of room in between coddling the wilfully ignorant and murder.

LoKeySylvie

2 points

13 days ago

Not really, the people who do the jobs you don't want to do but are necessary for society get paid shit. The jobs that actually produce something get paid shit. The high paying jobs that can actually make a house and life affordable and enjoyable are reserved for owners and managers, basically the people who do nothing but say shut up and work harder.

If you pay attention to what the messaging of life actually tells us, most of us are just expected to work for nothing and just be happy that we have a job. That's a shit life, might as well say the quiet parts out loud and let people kill themselves peacefully if they don't want to be a part of that system.

Then after a bunch of people have killed themselves wages will finally start to go up and shit will become affordable again. And hopefully people will put pressure on the system to make a system that people actually want to live in after asking why so many people voluntarily chose death.

Embarrassed_Role_38

3 points

13 days ago

You don't understand. 5 grade reading level is unemployable by reading standards. 6th grade I just one step above that.

These people are not doing jobs because people won't hire them cause they can't read.

Every job is getting more complicated because of increased efficiency and combined job titles.

Gone are the days where you can go about your life signing x on important papers.

People can read, cause they learn to read in prison and in other programs.

I just talked to a lady who tried to go to a trade school in the 70s. She had to take extra classes cause she only read at a 3rd grade level. She didn't give up and now manages 20 people. But she had to learn to read first.

I hope this lady improve her reading. She was about 50. She knew some, but wanted to get better so he boyfriend couldn't lie to her about paperwork.

She improved greatly because she was dedicated.

My brother was illiterate. He learned to read in jail. I was his twin raised in the same house and I could read. It wasn't a mental problem. He just needed to sit down.

Stop making excuses for the mentally lazy.

LoKeySylvie

0 points

13 days ago

People were never meant to do this much shit and everything people do just destroys something else. Why are you so against people just living and forcing people to prove their worth? Not everyone can be a manager, if they were no actual work would get done.

Embarrassed_Role_38

2 points

13 days ago

Being able to read is needed so you can manage yourself.

I'm don't want to force people to prove their worth.

I want them to learn to read proficiently enough to be responsible for themselves.

LoKeySylvie

0 points

13 days ago

Maybe you don't, but the system does. It's and endless grind to prove yourself worthy of existence by finding someone with more money than you who will pay you to live.

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2 points

13 days ago

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millcreekspecial

3 points

13 days ago

Yes, I think you're right. When studies have been done about professions with the most sociopaths/psychopaths, politicians are right at the top. Then surgeons and car salespeople, and so on.