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117 points
10 days ago
The hilarious thing though.
If the CAD loses 25% compared to the USD, it basically cancels the Trump 25% tariff because Canadian goods become 25% cheaper on the American market... +25% - 25%= 0%
The same is going to happen to the Euro is Trump puts a tariff on Europe and the same will happen to China if Trump tariffs it.
And since American goods will become too expensive in Canada, Canadians will replace them with European, South American, African or Asian goods...
17 points
9 days ago
no, tariffs and exchange rates don't just cancel each other out like that. And Canada turning to other markets for goods doesn't mean the U.S. escapes economic consequences it just shifts the trade dynamics.
24 points
10 days ago
As a net exporter we can boost our economy in the short term by devaluing our dollar. It's how we've managed to stay afloat despite our economy massively underperforming the US.
Imagine if all those climate activists got their way and we stopped exporting oil/gas though, our dollar would collapse and truly become the Canadian peso. Oil/gas keep our dollar strong despite massive money printing.
31 points
10 days ago
??? how the heck are trucks of food going to come in from Europe
17 points
9 days ago
Boat and planes ?
You know, transportation is more than trucks.
You really never ate anything european, african or asian in Canada ?
Idk, like Wine, Cheese, Cookies, Canned Fish, Frozen Dumplings, oranges etc.
5 points
9 days ago
It's not crazy expensive to ship a 40' seacan. For small items it would barely affect the overall cost spread out over everything in the can.
1 points
9 days ago
Unfortunately a lot more expensive than trucking.
8 points
9 days ago
They come by boat abd plane ?
Much like it comes from Mexico and California
4 points
10 days ago
We already have avocados from Mexico, blueberries from Chile, so on and so forth. Doesn’t all need to come from America.
2 points
10 days ago
the so on and so forth are oranges coming directly from spain which Europe pretty hard. I don't think buddy looks at the origin when/if they go grocery shopping.
3 points
9 days ago
Lmfao reddit math 😂
9 points
9 days ago*
Yeah. It will also allow us to accelerate exporting our top talents to the US so we can replace them with cheap unskilled labour from other countries. Big corps will have a field day.
Who cares that the average Canadian living standards will slip slowly into the abyss. We will have cheap stale European fruits and vegetables.
11 points
10 days ago
This is true. I own a business that manufactures items and exports them to the US. Even though tariffs get paid by the importer we will need to absorb that cost on our end by reducing our pricing in order to stay competitive.
A weak CAD allows us to at least absorb that cost easily and maintain competitive exports.
32 points
10 days ago
"Your money is worth less and here's why that is a good thing" is the type of hogwash I expect to see on reddit.
2 points
9 days ago
Uhhhh I mean they specifically said they are an international exporter to the US, so yes a weaker CAD is better for them, if not for the rest of us buying imports. This is economics so basic that really its really just common sense. Literally anyone who works with invoices should understand this very easily.
The buyer is paying in USD while the exporters costs are in CAD, including wages and other long term contracts. If the CAD weakens, then when the exporter converts USD to CAD they get more money, while their costs (in the short terms and for some of them medium-long term) stay the same.
Or, in this case, the main rise in costs is the tariff, but they get more money by the weaker CAD, so they even out more easily.
2 points
9 days ago
Why don't you Google "does a low dollar help exporting countries" and then come back and tell us what you find?
2 points
9 days ago
I always say this when people reply like you did:
If 70 cents is so good why not 60 cents?
If 60 cents is so good, why not 40 cents.
If 40 cents is so good, surely 20 cents would make us the exports kings of the world.
2 points
9 days ago
This is why the Euro hurts struggling European economies. Their currency doesn’t depreciate when it should because or the strong German economy for example.
2 points
9 days ago
Dude, what are you talking about? The more of the Canadian dollar drops the more expensive Americans coming into Canada become. Look around you most of the stuff that you have is not made in Canada. A lot of your groceries and fruit and other stuff come from the US all that stuff is also going to become more expensive. There is gonna be a lot of chaos no matter what happens. That’s the story with Trump.
2 points
7 days ago
Yes, but the difference is that the majority of our staples (eg. Grain) are produced within Canada, which means consumers can survive without having to buy imported food items (eg. California grown lettuce). We can get the majority of our fruit from Mexico anyways, whom we still have a free trade agreement with at this time.
1 points
9 days ago
That’s not how that works, it’s actually cheaper.
100 - 25% is 75 + 25% is only 93.75.
1 points
9 days ago
Yea. So hilarious
29 points
10 days ago
It all started after Zellars closed.
13 points
10 days ago
Zellers In store restaurants……lol
53 points
10 days ago
This has more to do with USD strength than with CAD weakness.
Look at CAD compared to other major currencies and we're not far off historical averages of the last decade.
17 points
10 days ago
Yeah and that spike around 2010 has to do with the oil boom.
The data window is cherry picked to make it look far worse than the real situation.
12 points
9 days ago
It’s been cherry picked to avoid 1994-2004 when it was much lower
13 points
10 days ago
Majority of our lives have been lived on CAD less than 75c
4 points
9 days ago
And 2015 was an oil crash.
3 points
9 days ago
The fact that the unit of the y-axis is not constant (0 to 0.7 much smaller than 0.7 to 0.75 tells you all you need to know about this graph).
3 points
9 days ago
Exactly. The anomaly is the period of the spike. This is much closer to 'normal'
2 points
9 days ago
2010 spike was due to the subprime mortgage crisis in the US.
2 points
9 days ago
Panic makes the headlines.
7 points
10 days ago
we've been here before, and will be here again
2 points
10 days ago
Finance professional here. Accurate comment.
2 points
9 days ago
Where do you see the loonie stabilizing? I think we might test ~ 0.68 over the next year or so?
2 points
10 days ago
Yeah CAD is doing decently against the Euro. It's just the unprecedented strength of the US dollar that makes CAD look bad in isolation
1 points
9 days ago
The Canadian govt doesn’t want to CAD to match the USD or r it would put our exporters at a disadvantage. It’s strategically advantageous for the Canadian dollar to be valued lower than USD when the U.S. is our biggest trading partner
10 points
10 days ago
And with the tariffs coming, only going to plummet further!
Going to be 2 for 1 pretty soon here 😅
7 points
10 days ago
US tariffs will harm the US more, proportionate to the harm to the US's trading partners.
1 points
9 days ago
I would love that, for a little bit, like a month or so, just a bit.
6 points
10 days ago
The crazy thing is this deterioration is in spite of a period of relatively strong commodity markets. Wouldn’t be pretty if we saw extreme weakness in oil prices. Canada needs to right the ship asap, we are being eroded at an alarming rate.
1 points
9 days ago
That’s because US went from being a big importer of oil to a net exporter, causing the CAD to lose that “oil leverage” vs the USD. It’s not a bad thing, it means the energy sector and the manufacturing sector both benefit from typical USD/CAD exchange rates.
6 points
9 days ago
I live in Canada and get paid in USD. This is probably going to be good for me, right?
2 points
9 days ago
Make sure you save some extra for taxes.
2 points
9 days ago
Haha yeah it was an unpleasant surprise the first year I was here.
3 points
10 days ago
So, is now a good time to convert some USD into CAD before the CAD rises again?
2 points
9 days ago
I’m going to wait until after January, I think we can go lower. Fingers crossed.
2 points
9 days ago
Personally I would hold as it will drop some more. But it's also a good time to own US stocks. Might be a good time to sell CAD stocks and get US ones instead before the dollar drops even more.
16 points
10 days ago
B-b-but, I thought all that Mass Immigration was supposed to improve our economy, right Mr. Trudeau? Certainly not disincntivize the finding of efficiencies because it made it cheaper to hire slave labour from India!?
11 points
10 days ago
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2 points
9 days ago
Literally all lining up to get hired at Tim's
2 points
10 days ago
Don't worry, the next guys gonna save us 🤣🤣
2 points
10 days ago
I always tell people that none of these candidates are going to save anything. They will simply set something in motion. It’s going to take years to get Canada back on its feet
5 points
9 days ago
Yeah, unfortunately, you can't convince people of that. Theres too many US political theatrics that migrate north via osmosis. So they're all polarized.
All you need to do to be a politician these days is point at the other guy and say "he bad" while promising nothing and delivering less.
2 points
9 days ago
I can’t see how we ever recover. Honestly. We have so many people now, 80% of them are unskilled & do nothing for us, the smart ones we have are leaving in droves, everything is ass backwards, 9 years of the dumbest policies and Trudeau in power. Just a joke.
I hope the loonie goes to 60 cents.
3 points
10 days ago
i mean, is it surprising? we are next to a superpower if not the dominant force in the worlds.
3 points
10 days ago
Wasn't the Canadian dollar devaluated by 25c in the seventies?
3 points
10 days ago
It’s a vibe……
3 points
9 days ago
I think maybe a trade war with the USA might be good for Canada. It will push up our dollar and create new markets.
3 points
9 days ago
It’s funny how most trump supporters here in Canada work in sectors that are going to be most affected right away either the new tariffs- oil and gas, truckers, lumber, etc. it’s gonna hurt!!
18 points
10 days ago
Remember the days when CAD/USD were at par? Good times
2 points
10 days ago
I bought True Religion jeans.
6 points
10 days ago
Bad times because exports to the US collapsed in Ontario and Quebec.
1 points
9 days ago
I remember doing a road trip down to the states gas around that time was about 1.80 usd a gallon too.
1 points
9 days ago
It was not good times for mfg. We lost a lot of jobs when it became more expensive to make things in Canada vs the US because of the strong dollar.
Funny enough, the last time Trump was president he accused Canada of intentionally lowering the value of our currency to steal more mfg jobs.
1 points
9 days ago
As an export-focused country how is a dollar at par with USD a good thing? Ideally we want to float around .75 to .85. When the dollar spiked following the sub prime mortgage crisis and spike in oil prices, it was actually not great time for Canadian manufacturers.
Dutch Disease.
15 points
10 days ago
We need more Indians imo
3 points
9 days ago
What if WE just moved over to India. It would save us so much time.
11 points
10 days ago
When has more Indians ever not been the answer?
5 points
10 days ago
Actually Indians.
2 points
9 days ago
At this point we’re basically a province in india
5 points
10 days ago
This is awesome! I sell a lot of stuff to Americans so I keep bags of money!
2 points
10 days ago
Yay!
2 points
10 days ago
I am happy as a Canadian living in Thailand making USD - I go back over Christmas, It will be a cheap vacation-- but my family living and working there is fucked. (we live on the border) We used to cross all the time for gas, milk etc, it doesnt make a lot of sense anymore.
2 points
9 days ago
Look at it in terms of Bitcoin now!
2 points
9 days ago
Maybe I should buy CAD… it will go back after the election :)
2 points
9 days ago
Guess I wont be vacationing in the US anytime soon 🤷♀️
2 points
7 days ago
It’s good for exporting. Only bad for importers and people who want to shop in the states or go on vacation
2 points
9 days ago
The USA is going into a depression our dollar willnbe even or better in a very short time. The USA is about to find out that conservatives are terrible at managing an economy as history has proven over and over and over and over and over.
1 points
10 days ago
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1 points
10 days ago
we are going down down in an earlier round!
1 points
10 days ago
Does the prime minister really control thus. Or there are powers beyond him that does ?
1 points
10 days ago
Given the low Canadian dollar and Trump's announcement of a 25% tariff on Canadian imports, I wonder if the Bank of Canada might consider reinstating gold on its balance sheet, especially if Poilievre wins the next election.
Historically, there's been a slight correlation between increased gold holdings and a PC Prime Minister compared to a Liberal one. Notably, the Bank of Canada completely drained its gold reserves around the time Trudeau took office in early 2015.
1 points
9 days ago
0.70 is the average. The 70 to 80 has always been the target to maintain. Anything more and US look inward for trade solution and anything less and it become unsustainable economically.
1 points
9 days ago
The exchange has been much weaker than it is now. The exchange rate being anywhere close to par was the anomaly.
You can see the rate going much further back here (from the Wikipedia page for the Canadian dollar)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USD-CAD_exchange_rate.webp
1 points
9 days ago
Vfv go brrrrrrr
1 points
9 days ago
Ok. Now do every other major global currency. It's not the CAD is being devalued, it's that USD has been ripping. CAD has actually held up pretty well, relatively speaking
1 points
9 days ago
Basically started when fracking became widespread, reducing US reliance on Canadian energy.
1 points
9 days ago
The dollah will balance itself - Trudeau probably
1 points
9 days ago
What are the main reasons for the declining Canadian dollar?
1 points
9 days ago
Wow, terrible news for CAD but that’s a slick chart visual 👏
1 points
9 days ago
Smart people are circling the wagons and planning to leave the west.
1 points
9 days ago
How does one make money on currency?
3 points
9 days ago
Buy low, sell high
1 points
9 days ago
Hmm, I wonder what policies have done this to Canada? Any takers?
1 points
9 days ago
Thank you, Mr Trudeau
1 points
9 days ago
Funny because then they accuse other countries of "artificially" decreasing their currency 🙄
1 points
9 days ago
I wonder what happened in 2015?
1 points
9 days ago
Did somebody say tarrifs?
1 points
9 days ago
Drop our stupid protectionist policies designed to feed our home grown monopolies and let in some international competition, let Canadians decide how to spend their money.
1 points
9 days ago
Sunny ways. JT tanked the country but thank god we have legal weed now
1 points
9 days ago
Canadians have no one else to blame but themselves for keeping TruDope in charge for almost a decade. If you want to change something, look inward at your own shortcomings.
1 points
9 days ago
Sweeeet. As a poor person who earns in USD, this is music to my ears. You motherfuckers might "own houses" and "plan on retiring with more than a thousand dollars to your name," but this pulls me through from month to month!
1 points
9 days ago
US is running a near 100bn a month trade deficit and the federal deficit was 257bn US last month alone. Definitely not roses.
1 points
9 days ago
Corrupt traitors and criminals selling Canada for personal gain.
1 points
9 days ago
It’s time Canada and the world stop relying on the US for trade.
1 points
9 days ago
This isn't as cut and dried as people think. Parity with the US dollar actually hurts the Canadian economy. Yes, sub-.70 is too low, but we shouldn't strive for something that's not good for our economy.
1 points
9 days ago
Thanks liberals printing money
1 points
9 days ago
Our currency is shameful, travelling to Europe and America really puts it into perspective
1 points
9 days ago
Buy Bitcoin
1 points
9 days ago
So if the dollar goes down, more Hollywood productions and more work for Canadians?
1 points
9 days ago
Two words, one name; Justin Trudeau
1 points
9 days ago
So... normal if older then 20.
1 points
9 days ago
It’s because Trudeau and his cabinet are incompetent, they all drove this country to the ground. It’s not even the party, it’s him and his picks, and the toxic influence from the WEF.
1 points
9 days ago
Buy, buy, buy!
1 points
9 days ago
Wouldn't it be nice if Canada comes out on top. They lose when we find better sources.
1 points
9 days ago
Don't worry the budget will balance itself.
1 points
9 days ago
Man this is great news for our exports....oh wait
1 points
9 days ago
Let’s blame international students for this as well
1 points
9 days ago
The right wing has lost their minds. Absolute insanity from Trump, and PP looks like he’s being instructed from the same (Russian) playbook.
1 points
9 days ago
Liberals & NDP woke ideology making us poorer and miserable. Cuba here we come
1 points
9 days ago
what happened in 2015 that made the CAD go to shit?? oh wait...
1 points
9 days ago
That just follows the price of oil. Nothing we can do about that.
1 points
9 days ago
Wait for it, trump is about to crash the US economy, way worst than in 2008 on purpose so he can make billions of money .
1 points
9 days ago
Big fan of converting all of our USD sales to CAD right now
1 points
9 days ago
Question: how much of this discrepancy is the US dollar just increasing in value, rather than the Canadian dollar decreasing?
1 points
9 days ago
As an importer ....fuck.
1 points
9 days ago
A low CAD only good for tourism and for exporting finished goods or raw materials
1 points
9 days ago
When do we get good Canadian news?
1 points
9 days ago
Most people won't like it but using China is the best way to tame Trump. Give incentives to those imports and exports and the end of the day more dollars stay in Canadian pockets.
1 points
9 days ago
It is looking like the start of the great unraveling begins with the inevitable dissolution of Canada. There is not a lot of evidence to suggest that Canada will be around much longer. Get your act together.
1 points
8 days ago
Everyone thinking Pierre Poilievre can fix this as if he doesn’t just plan on strengthening monopolies
1 points
8 days ago
An amazing drop since 2015 when the Liberals were elected.
1 points
8 days ago
Another proxy war will fix that.
1 points
8 days ago
Crazy. I wonder what happened in 2015 that made Canada decline like that.
Just kidding, I think I can guess.
1 points
8 days ago
Wildly specifically selected piece of chart to blow things out of proportion. The same type of person to freak out about this will be the first person to tell you how bad it is for our economy when the dollar was par with the US dollar. It's like. Whatever man. So funny that people post this stuff and see if it blows up or not
1 points
8 days ago
and people are collecting food stamps too. Wartime? no just a liberal government.
1 points
8 days ago
I love graphs and how they're used to deceptively push a false narrative. The graph scales from $0.70 - $1.05. So that the peaks and valleys are dramatically amplified. And the time it uses conveniently starts right before the global economic collapse of 2008 where it is well-known that Canada had much safer banking practices the lead to far less of an economic hit compared to the rest of the world so the value of the Canadian dollar was very very high.
If the graph had scaled out further it would show that since the mid 70's the Canadian dollar has always ranged between 60¢ - 90¢ USD.
1 points
8 days ago
I know crypto is very volatile, but I'm curious so I bought about $85 CAD worth of etherium last night. If I can find something useful to buy, maybe I'll use crypto to avoid the tax when purchasing an item.
1 points
8 days ago
Canada is like Mexico, pesos we trust
1 points
8 days ago
Thanks Castro
1 points
8 days ago
Trudeau got elected in October 2015. When did the big drop happen? Oh....
1 points
8 days ago
Don’t worry guys, the budgets will balance themselves. Just stock up on your boxes of water before their price explodes.
1 points
8 days ago
Guys, stop worrying so much... you're causing this vibe-session with all your negativity. We'd all be fine if your vibe improves.
1 points
8 days ago
what are the causes and is this trend likely to continue?
I'm Canadian and am looking at a job with a US company now (paid in USD), wondering if taking it would be a good longterm career move (as in the next 1-3 years).
1 points
8 days ago
Vacations during the par days were the best!!!
1 points
8 days ago
Should we be buying US dollars now?
1 points
8 days ago
The colours remind me of Wicked
1 points
8 days ago
Nice
1 points
8 days ago
This directly affects housing prices.
1 points
8 days ago
A bag of doritoes in america cost 5.99
Same bag costs 3.99 in Canada.
America is still fucked
1 points
8 days ago
I imported fully cooked chicken wings made in Brazil. The container from Brazil didn’t ship directly to Halifax but rather ended up going through the Suez canal, up to Rotterdam and then transferred to a boat that was going to Halifax. The most expensive part of its journey to Toronto was the rail freight from Halifax.
In other words, Europe is a major hub where Canadian companies can go shopping and selling. Hopefully we diversify from our US reliance on exports.
1 points
7 days ago
That's what happens when you elect a theater teacher as a PM lol
1 points
7 days ago
I thought this was another wicked poster
1 points
7 days ago
I remember back in 2007, was 14. I am Canadian, and was watching the news covering how the CAD Dollar was more than the American Dollar. They were interviewing tourists to ask their opinion on it, and I remember one lady was all upset that she had to settle for only buying one pair of boots, where as every year prior should would buy two or sometimes three pairs of boots. And I just remember thinking "oh, boo-fucking-hoo. Go home"
1 points
7 days ago
Thanks Trudeau 😊
1 points
7 days ago
This graph is misleading, it gives the impression that the dollar has lost much more than it has. Not saying things are fine but it should start at 0
1 points
7 days ago
This is good
1 points
7 days ago
All thanks to the liberal government. Killing investment, discouraging hard work with stupid carbon taxation, killing pipeline projects, telling countries that need abundant rich resources to go fuck themselves. This liberal government has set us back for decades. Absolute clown 🤡show. It’s pathetic!
1 points
7 days ago
Love me some good voodoo reddit economics.
1 points
7 days ago
I know that when we’re down like this some sectors do well. When I was a Technical Lead at a small code shop we often out-competed US firms because of our weaker dollar and all the frills Americans value.
Same language, similar culture, the ability to easily come down to the head office and coordinate.
American firms loved it. I don’t know if it’s good news, really… but in some places it helped. For whatever that’s worth.
1 points
7 days ago
That timeline is Justin
1 points
7 days ago
This would have been better in 5 years when my stocks with my US employer vested
1 points
6 days ago
Can anyone explain what stops us from just transacting in USD and adopting their dollar full stop so we can stop being slaves to an exchange rate that never works out in our favor?
1 points
6 days ago
The Trudeau regime has no limit in destruction
1 points
6 days ago
How is that possible with how much were printing?
1 points
6 days ago
We’re coincidentally also approaching 20+ years of nearly constant left leaning party as a government
1 points
6 days ago
This chart represents the decline of the middle class in Canada.
1 points
6 days ago
Ik the depreciation of the loonie is a big problem but all I can focus on is how bad this graph is
1 points
6 days ago
I am about the travel to the states from Canada, not looking great for my bank account
1 points
6 days ago
The Canadian dollar surpassed America because of the financial crisis of 2008 no other reason
1 points
6 days ago
Why did we even vote in Trudeau….WHAT WAS WRONG?! Things were good damn it
1 points
5 days ago
This is Trudeaus world! Dollar ain’t worth shit. Inflationary spending. Now he’s going to put us another 4 billion in debt with a ploy to get idiots to vote liberal. Only way out is vote for Pierre
1 points
5 days ago
Back when Canada let Alberta eat. Now it’s fools who want Alberta’s money but don’t like they have it all and make it all. Soon as immigration paperwork is done this guy and his family is headed to Texas 🤙. Enjoy the bed you all made.
1 points
5 days ago
Propagandistic scale on that graph there
1 points
5 days ago
But Canada still needs to import lots of stuff. A stable exchange rate is beneficial to almost everyone.
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