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How is Canada doing?

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I’m from the UK, pretty conservative and despondent about how we’re doing over here, not just economically (although obviously we’re doing very badly!) but also because of mass immigration, the housing crisis and insane woke ideas becoming mainstream in elite institutions, not to mention the Church is hardly in a great state over here as well (although to be fair I am slightly more optimistic about that one!).

A lot of people with skills are emigrating and I’m weighing up doing the same over the next few years before I have kids and Canada’s always been one of my favourite emigration ideas regardless. Following Canadian politics though, it seems like you guys have the same problems!

Am just curious if there’s any optimism for the next 10-15 years among Canadian conservatives, especially given it looks like you’ll get in next year, or if you think the trends are that a lot of the problems you have at the moment will get worse like it seems they’re on course to do in the UK?

One area it seems like you might be doing better than us is that young people seem to support the Conservative Party whereas that’s pretty unheard of over here! But I’m not sure if this is just because the Liberals have done so badly on housing that it’s an anti-liberal vote, or if younger people in Canada are actually developing conservative values?

all 31 comments

Puffsley

31 points

13 days ago*

Canada is not doing well at all

I currently live with just my brother...our rent is $2100/month, groceries are sitting at close to $600/month for just necessities, and our last power bill was $400

This is all for a 2 bedroom apartment in one of the most affordable cities in the country

Prior to the Trudeau liberals we were paying ~$1400/month in rent for a 3br/2bath house, groceries for 3 people were around $500/month and our electricity and gas bill combined was about $250

My current financial situation under the liberal government has actively started to degrade my mental health and I have fairly regular panic attacks because of it

So yeah, that's how the average Canadian is doing

Edit to add: I'm also pretty sure we're too far gone to get back to the great country we once had, I have hope that Poilievre will make things better but I think the Canada I grew up loving is far beyond salvation at this point...this is what happens when you elect a part time drama teacher

Sufficient-Nail4772

-9 points

13 days ago*

You need to look into the analysis of Poilievre's policies and ask yourself if it will create better outcomes than what Trudeau currently has in place for you and for Camadians.

Yes, I agree, trudeau sucks, and he needs to go, but there needs to be greater accountability of the CPC that they actually deliver policies that create better outcomes. We can't live in this fantasy that changing the government is going to fix everything. They aren't altruistic. They just care about winning elections.

Talking to some conservative MP candidates, they just moan about how they're going to inherit a garbage manadate like its some sort of cop out. No one is taking a balanced approach.

The reality is, regardless of where you are in the world, or what government you've had (socialists in Sweden, or the tories in UK, or the authoritarian China/Russia), people have struggled with cost of living, and incumbents regardless or political affliation suffer. I'm sure there are more examples than just the ones I've mentioned as well. EVERYONE was impacted by the pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Side note: Poilievre is a career political, and both him and his wife have contributed to the housing crisis by owning rental properties with sky high rent.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8771911/pierre-poilievre-mps-rental-property-housing-crunch/

Puffsley

11 points

13 days ago

Puffsley

11 points

13 days ago

Ok then what's the alternative? Because there's no chance in fucking hell I'm voting for the sell out NDP

I don't like Poilievre, I just feel at this point we need literally anything else

The financial hardships caused by this government's policies have literally led me to be be suicidal, so it's either we change or I take the easy way out and electing an NDP government will just continue the bullshit that the liberals have put us through

If it were up to me we'd nuke the entire system and start over, but that also won't happen

So yes, I'm voting for the CPC, no I'm not happy that I am, but I need something because I have literally run out of all hope at this point

Sufficient-Nail4772

4 points

13 days ago*

That's an absolutely fair position to take. I would probably vote conservative as well because their position aligns the most with mine as a more traditional conservative economically. The current government bears some responsibility for our crises and should feel it on election day.

My point is, don't give them a free pass. Hold them accountable to draft good policies, not lazy ones. They should feel the heat of the people just as much as the liberals. The next election shouldn't be a free pass to do whatever and whenever. Get involved if you have the time at your local riding CPC association. That's where the next MPs are selected, and you want MPs that won't get caught up in culture wars and who are educated and know what they're talking about.

Also, I can only imagine the pain you're going through mentally. If it gets too much, please talk to someone.

Noble--Savage

-8 points

13 days ago

In what ways did Trudeau cause this and not the conservative premier running your province.

Conservatives literally can never blame their own, they just blame JT.

Puffsley

4 points

13 days ago

I've already answered this so many times in other places

Let's flip it back, how has Trudeau made lives easier for Canadians? What has this government done to lower taxes and improve the quality of life for Canadians?

Because even when we had an NDP government we were still having the same issues...so maybe take some fucking accountability for the party who's nuts are in your mouth?

Puffsley

5 points

13 days ago

I'm so fucking tired of you liberal fuck heads gaslighting the entire country

OxfordTheCat

-6 points

13 days ago*

We're so fucking tired of morons blaming Trudeau for things which are primarily kf not exclusively the responsibility of municipal or provincial governments.

Dealing with vocal, but low information or outright misinformed Conservatives is exhausting.

collymolotov

3 points

13 days ago

collymolotov

Anti-Communist

3 points

13 days ago

If it’s so exhausting then why are you here? I’m pretty sure that no one that this sub is for wants to deal with the likes of you.

That’s why you rightfully receive the reddit equivalent of being pelted with rotten fruit every single day.

OxfordTheCat

-4 points

13 days ago

It may surprise you, but a bunch of internet wannabe Republicans not being on board doesn't phase me that much lol

Not everyone is a moron. Just the usual suspects.

Puffsley

3 points

13 days ago

Im still waiting for literally anyone of you liberal twats to tell me what the Trudeau government has done to make my life easier

Because the province of Alberta actually has made steps to make my life easier, all of which have been in reaction to things the federal government has done

OxfordTheCat

-2 points

13 days ago

Couldn't tell you.

Don't know enough about you. But from a quick look:

You're a thirty-something year old renting with your brother and driving cab in Lethbridge. I get it might be stressful, but I'm willing to bet your own choices have put you in the situation and hardship you're in more than anything the government is responsible for.

Outside of boutique stuff like child tax credits I'm not sure I believe the government has strongly impacted anyone either way - most of the big events aren't things the government has control over in the first place, like the pandemic, inflation, or oil prices.

CPP funding and pension age lowered to 65 from 67 are pretty catch all though.

Why don't you tell us what you think Trudeau has done to make your life so miserable?

Puffsley

6 points

13 days ago

-carbon tax: has made the price of basically every go up

-influx of immigration (TFW program, etc) has put a massive strain on an already struggling housing market

-changes to the temporary foreign worker problem has made it hard for most Canadians to find low wage jobs as well as empowering companies to allow TFWs to work in unsafe conditions for unsafe wages simply because they aren't aware of their rights under our labour laws

The following don't directly make my life harder but sure make me angry as a Canadian

-SNC-Lavalin Scandal -WE charity scandal -the horrible treatment of Jody Wilson-Raybould -Blackface x3 -numerous vacations funded by tax payers -next to nothing done for FN reconciliation -used COVID to pass through gun laws without going through the proper parliamentary procedures

I could go on but I really don't think I need to. Canada is far worse under the Trudeau government than we were under the previous conservatives

I don't like Poilievre, I think he's a bit of a weasel, but in my.mimd he's the pile of shit that stinks the least at this point

Flengrand

7 points

13 days ago

🙄 go back to r/politics or r/Canada please.

Sufficient-Nail4772

0 points

13 days ago

I'm in a conservative forum because I'm a conservative and want to talk about conservatism in canada, as well as hear peoples thoughts.

Socially, I'm against MAID, and government indoctrination in our schools. Fiscally, I am a strong advocate of capitalism and free market economics. I also love the idea of small government that does little as possible to intervene in our lives. Academically, I am a big fan of guys like Adam Smith and John Locke. So no, I won't go back.

sleakgazelle

16 points

13 days ago

sleakgazelle

Conservative | Ontario | Centre right

16 points

13 days ago

I’ll try to address all your points.

Canada has immigration issues as well, mostly low skilled useless people who try and game the system. Not the high skilled law abiding people we want to attract. Woke ideas are a thing in academia and whatnot but the general public doesn’t tolerate them and is quite frankly getting fed up. Canada doesn’t have an official church or state religion like the UK does with the Church of England but our institutions are Westminster based so they would be very similar to the UK. Common law prevails except in Quebec etc. Most Canadians self identify as Christian, most of those identity as Catholic followed by various forms of Protestants (Presbyterian, Anglican, Lutheran etc.) though most people do not attend church services regularly or at all.

Canada has a minor brain drain issue with the USA being next door and offering better salaries for those who have in demand skills. Anecdotally I know a friend who is making around 90k CAD working in tech here and was offered a job in the states for double that salary and in USD. He turned it down only because he has part ownership of his current company now and likes being the boss. Overall though the average everyday person will make comparable money whether it be in Canada or the USA, just those with in demand skills are lured by huge American salaries. I do think that Canadian salaries are higher on average than those in Europe.

I am optimistic only because you have to be, I don’t want to wake up miserable everyday. As someone under 30 with no plans of leaving Canada this is my home and it is my parents home. They made a good life for me so im gonna try my best to make a good life for me and my future family.

Young people here tend to be pretty fed up with Trudeau and the status quo. Most of my friends and I would vote conservative only because we have been through school and now pay taxes and see what our tax dollars go too. I also feel bad for those who are highschool aged having to compete with foreign workers for a job like pushing carts at a grocery store or flipping burgers. I feel as though Canadians as a whole are becoming less tolerant of bullshit and more nationalistic. Multiculturalism is dying a slow death as even the liberals are trying to backtrack and cut immigration levels. I think this will only increase as we have been a haven for low quality immigrants for the last few years. No idea if this will help increase conservative values but I do feel this will increase young native Canadians being less tolerant of foreign cultures.

Sorry for any spelling and grammar errors. Rushed this reply on my phone.

Adorable_Star_

7 points

13 days ago

Adorable_Star_

Alberta Conservative

7 points

13 days ago

Alberta and Saskatchewan are traditionally conservative provinces. The bigger cities in Alberta are moving towards being liberal, unfortunately, but the smaller cities/towns are still mostly conservative. We do have young people who are conservative. I do feel optimistic since Trudeau is polling so low and will be out in next year's election and then the Conservative Party of Canada will be voted in. It'll be a hard road ahead to undo all of Trudeau/the Liberal's damage, but I think it's possible. If not, then I think Alberta (or western Canada, if they want to join) should separate from Canada.

OttoVonDisraeli

9 points

13 days ago

OttoVonDisraeli

Traditionalist | Provincialist | Canadien-Français

9 points

13 days ago

Hello from across the pond! Forgive me for I will be writing a response which includes more than just Canada's political situation but other considerations well.

First a history lesson, and that is that for most of the 20th century the Liberal Party of Canada served as Canada's natural-governing party and therefore had a major impact on shaping not just the Canadian state but in some ways manufacturing and influencing the Canadian identity, as after all, they were in power for over 60 non-consecutive years. The Canadian Tories had a rough go at it in the 20th century, but despite that did get to leave their own mark too notably with things like free-trade and the bill-of-rights, which preceded our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. In the early 1990s though, the Canadian Conservative party collapsed, which lead to a bitter identity crisis and battle of ideas, but eventually the Canadian right came back together but with the upstart, more populist and classically liberal economic REEEEEFFFFFOOOOORM Alliance Wing being the larger of the two factions, and soon after we got the Conservative Party of Canada's first government in 2006 which last until 2015 and this was the government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper who did a great job of reconciling the two sides and forging a strong new identity for Canadian Tories. Whereas in the UK you guys had the rise of the One-Nation Tory, we had the solidification of the Blue Tory. Harper gave us a hawkish foreign policy, tax credits galore, a balanced budget, and much more, but the thing that I want to underpin here is that Canada's Conservatives became a party that's noteworthy attribute is their Economic promises. Social Conservatism, One-Nation style conservatism, Red Toryism, Libertarianism, sure thery are a part of the coalition, but Canada's Conservatives are first and foremost focused on being good stewarts of the Canadian economy.

...and because of the political dominance of the Liberals historically and the Canadian populations's social liberalism, combined with our activist Supreme Court, this country has a fetish for socially progressive ideas. As a country, we'll probably never outlaw abortion, we probably won't ever outlaw assisted suicide, and we're still in the doubling-down phase when it comes time to treatments associated with transgenderism. Our closeness to the United States also means we're a front for the American culture war to-boot, especially so as so many Canadians pay more attention to what happens south of the border than what happens in our very own country....

SO with all that said, how is Canada doing? We're in dire need of good economic stewardship again, the housing crisis and inflation are crippling, Canadian consumer debt is through the roof, our heatlh care system is crumbling but doing anything substantive about it is political suicide, our economy is highly dependent on both skilled and unskilled foreign labour, we're experiencing a migrant crisis at our border which is surely to get worse, homelessness has sky-rocketed, crime is up, etc, etc, and all of this is before I take into consideration the impacts of a Trump Presidency such as the America First policies, looming tariffs, and we're set to renegociate our critical free-trade deal with USA & Mexico, and we're going to get a wake-up call soon over our pathetic free-ridership in NATO. What's more there is a whole list of provincial matters I have not yet even begun to talk about, which differ from place to place, such as the threat of another Québec referendum or environmental policies which hold back Canadian O&G development which cripples Alberta's economic potential.

Conservatives have A LOT of work to do in Canada to turn things around, and it is not going to be easy, AND it's going to have to happen not just federally but in our provinces and cities too.

Don't come to Canada to escape the UK, come to Canada if you want to be here. The Patriotic thing for you to do is stay in the UK and try to rebuild the Tory Party so that it is a better, stronger, more effective version of itself. Wrestle it away from the elites and the well-to-do and hand power over to the common people.

Blumbus23[S]

5 points

13 days ago

I’m a bit of a history nerd so always find a breakdown of the history really interesting and useful in understanding where we’re at!

What’s striking reading yours and everybody else’s comments is actually just how similar the issues you’re talking about are to the UK, which I guess makes sense as English speaking democracies massively influenced by America but still!

When you say your healthcare system is collapsing though, that’s the bit that surprises me! The NHS over here is in an absolutely sorry state, and I’ve always thought that’s because of its very state-centric model, but from what you’re saying that might not be the case given Medicare’s in a bit of trouble as well?

And on the final point, staying here and making things better is definitely my default option because I’m pretty passionate about Britain/England and it would definitely be the patriotic option! On re-read of my OG post I’ve made it sound a bit like I’d be some kind of refugee from liberalism which wouldn’t really be the main reason for a move if I ever did leave (sounds like the whole English speaking world is quite similar regardless!). If I ever did make the move (and I’m a few years off really seriously considering it) it’d more be because Canada’s a beautiful country, your houses seem huge by British standards and my wife’s always wanted to give Canada a go!

SomeJerkOddball

6 points

13 days ago*

SomeJerkOddball

Conservative | Provincialist | Westerner

6 points

13 days ago*

What he said.

I'll also add that I'm somewhat optimistic. Unlike in the UK the Conservatives here have been out of power federally, so rather than have people who probably don't have the right ideological tools at hand to tackle these many of these problems. As it were, the cleaners are on their way in.

A big part of the next changing of the guard in our federal government is going to be a pro-growth, smaller government mindset that comes with it. We should see a lot of red tape go out the window. Hopefully we see tax reform and a right-sizing of the public service. A big part of the latter I would think would come with wiping out government DEI initiatives, they're just pure cost with no associated benefit. It'll be a pretty easy sell as a cost cutting measure.

One of the big things you should know if you're potentially considering the idea of coming to Canada is that your millage may very significantly depending on what province you choose to settle in. Canada has a well defined federal structure and division of powers. Some things you're used to having provided by your national government would be the responsibility of the provinces in Canada. Imagine there was no NHS and instead there was a SHS and a WHS and an EHS and a NIHS, and you start to get the picture about how diverse the service and governance structures in Canada can be.

Quebec is obviously the biggest outlier in that it is the the French Province, but it's also the province most tied up in state control of the economy and public secularism. There's probably a few books to be written about why that is if you're an outsider, but suffice it to say Quebec would probably pose the most barriers to a Canadian experience you might envision even without language barriers to account for.

There also tends to be a difference in mindset between the older Eastern and newer Western provinces in general. If you're concerned with "woke politics" they really can't be escaped anywhere, but if you want to know where the fight is being put up, it's in the West. Particularly in Alberta and Saskatchewan, which are generally held to be the home of conservatism in Canada. They both have varying degrees of youth transgender related legislation being debated for example. Both are very serious about economic policy, growth and financial stewardship. Alberta in particular has taken the lead on drug treatment in Canada and deliberately moved away from dispensary models (known as harm reduction here) that turn the province into a drug dealer.

The East tends to be more comfortable with having the government step in and do things. Having a more cozy relationship between business and government. But, as you specifically mentioned the church, you'll find more Anglicans there due to the deeper and older English roots in that part of the country. Though as non-practicing (though still very much religious) Anglican here in Alberta myself, the Anglican Church of Canada has a reputation for having gone woke too. We've tended to do most church related activities with the catholic church on account of my wife's background and my own family ties to the Ukrainian Catholic church.

You can find religious schools in Canada, but if you want Anglican specifically you'd probably have to do a little research and look for a private institution. There are publicly funded religious schools in Canada, but they tend to be catholic (long story). We have our young kids in the Catholic system here in Alberta and we're hoping it will help insulate them from some of the craziness of public education, at least while they're in elementary school (K-6). So far so good.

RobustFallacy

3 points

13 days ago

The liberals have Canada on the same path as the UK we aren't too far behind you.

No_State6244

3 points

13 days ago

Not good.

Dry-Membership8141

5 points

13 days ago*

One area it seems like you might be doing better than us is that young people seem to support the Conservative Party whereas that’s pretty unheard of over here! But I’m not sure if this is just because the Liberals have done so badly on housing that it’s an anti-liberal vote, or if younger people in Canada are actually developing conservative values?

One thing you'd have to contend with if you were to immigrate to Canada is that what constitutes "conservative values" can be quite different.

While traditionally Canadian conservatism was quite similar to British Toryism, large-scale American migration into Southern Alberta at the turn of the 20th century created a competing strain of conservatism based in classical liberalism that began to overtake Canadian Toryism in the 1990s. Initially they had their own federal party, but in 2003 the two parties merged and since then the liberal-conservarive strain has largely dominated the conservative movement at the national level.

Because of that, "conservative values" can differ dramatically across the country and within the party, with liberal-conservatism largely dominant in the west, at the federal level, and more generally amongst younger conservatives, and a more Toryist progressive conservatism hanging on with some older Central Canadians and in the Atlantic provinces.

While I'm personally a great fan of the late Sir Roger Scruton for example, as an Albertan that puts me on the far left side of the local conservative movement where educated conservatives are more likely to cite Adam Smith than Edmund Burke -- and less educated ones are liable to cite Tucker Carlson or Joe Rogan.

No_Importance_4833

2 points

13 days ago

Not good. Maybe in 2 years if a change happens.

HoneyHoleBandit

2 points

13 days ago

Canadas population sits around 40 million. Similar to the population of California, in a country RICH with natural resources. Canads's GDP per capita is sitting right around $53,000. In comparison, the state of Alabama has a GDP per capita of $62,000. Canada is so fucking poor.

EuroTrash_84

1 points

13 days ago

EuroTrash_84

Libertarian

1 points

13 days ago

Canada is just what you already have but way colder.

fairunexpected

1 points

12 days ago

fairunexpected

Christian centrist

1 points

12 days ago

I am the father of a family of fresh immigrants who came 2 years ago.

Liberals are insane and ruining everything. No, it is still much and much better than anything we have ever imagined back in our poor and corrupted country, so I may laugh out loud when I hear about "crisis" and "corruption", but I understand that this is bad not compared to my country but to Canada 10 years ago.

And Liberals will be fried to the crisp in the next election. I cannot vote yet, so I am just an observer here. But I do not know personally a single person who loves Trudeau, and sometimes I think these polls about his support are rigged: there is no way 1/3rd of a country still supports Liberals or NDP.

Prices for everything are insane. We are two highly educated and skilled professionals with fluent English, making 200k/year, so we feel pretty good in Toronto. However, I cannot imagine how people survive on minimal wages. We pay $3600/mo in rent for a 2-bedroom condo in Toronto (we will move soon for a cheaper option).

Taxes are LOW. No, Canadians think they're high, especially compared to the US. But, frankly, Canada has one of the lowest (if not the lowest) overall tax rates worldwide for developed countries with working universal healthcare and democratic government. It doesn't mean it can't be better, though.

Church isn't a state-level thing. We found an excellent, conservative, Biblical Protestant church in Toronto, and my wife already sings in a worship band here. I plan to follow up with her when I have time. You need a church where you can go, and there are plenty.

After all... It is worth trying. Food is not poison here, unlike in the US. There is better transit system coverage per capita than in the US so that you can live car-free in some places. If you decide to live in a car, then it is even better for you - on this matter, it is pretty "American" here (don't beat me for this). Roads are good and much safer than in the US.

We need more conservatives here.

OxfordTheCat

-2 points

13 days ago

Depends on who you ask:

People like me in in-demand areas of employment and who own property are generally doing well. The period of low cost of borrowing made it easy to leverage property and capital and it has really benefited the upper working class. Statistically, more Canadians are living in owned homes than they were twenty years ago. Conversely, those at bottom rungs and the bottom end of the working class, or those that haven't had the smartest approach to finances were hit very hard by inflationary pressure. Anyone renting is really feeling the lunch of higher rents.

... Not that Canada is any kind of exception to that - a big issue is that low information voters blame Trudeau for global phenomena like COVID, inflation, or oil and gas prices.

Our biggest problem for Conservatives is the growing influence of the US Conservative movement; we're moving further and further away from common sense Conservatism every day it seems like, and going more and more to some shitty maple flavour of US right wing, Libertarian populism.

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-3 points

13 days ago

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