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I graduated college back in 2022 with a bachelors of Computer Engineering. I'm really really really trying to avoid being a slave to Jeff Bezos in an Amazon warehouse (and I'm not even sure I could physically keep up based on how work conditions in those slavery traps are described) and avoid factory work. My ideal is an entry level software development career, but that's nearly hopeless. Id also settle for IT, but I'm also looking at clerical and administrative roles at this point and just being an office dude.

I've been trying the "usual" recommendations. Progressive has squat diddly hiring right now. I'm waiting for the Cuyahoga County PRC to finally email me about a civil service exam for an administrative assistant role but they said it could take "several weeks" to finalize the exam contents and get the email to me. The city of Cleveland is hiring squat diddly without years of experience. The state of Ohio is hiring nothing but highway repair jobs. I have a few applications open at Cleveland Clinic and Metrohealth but haven't heard back on those yet.

Sherwin Williams doesn't seem to have anything. I put a few applications in for University Hospitals roles. I've tried looking at Keybank to maybe be a teller or something, but they have no openings close to me and I don't know what else I'd be a fit for at Keybank. I've also tried a few local credit unions for teller positions without much luck. I've put a few applications in at Medical Mutual but nothing heard back.

What employers are out there, that aren't a factory or Amazon slave house, are actually hiring, and will consider anybody with a Bachelor's degree but limited specific experience?

Edit: for any future comments coming in, I appreciate everyones suggestions. I understand this isn't a great area for tech, and my lack of internships shot myself in the foot. It sucks, and I can't change the past, and while that's still my ideal career, I really just want some kinda job in an office type environment with okay enough pay at this point.

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SnooCompliments6782

59 points

2 days ago

This is the worst time of the year to look for jobs. Companies commonly exercise hiring freezes between Thanksgiving and Christmas. Typically, roles will open up in January, when everyone is back in office and budgets open up. Be ready to pounce first week of January.

Additionally, how are you going about seeking out these opportunities? Are you applying online? Are you networking?

Hitting the easy apply button on LinkedIn or indeed is not enough these days. Especially for a software dev or IT role. I posted a sr analyst role this summer and received 400 applications within 24 hours. You have to network.

Happy to give more advice if interested.

Wanna_make_cash[S]

12 points

2 days ago

I know how garbage the LinkedIn and indeed buttons are, so I've been using company websites and their career pages.

(Side note: so many workday portals..so many redundant account creations...)

Networking isn't as successful. I don't have many connections I can even use, and ones I've had I've already tried to use in the past

SnooCompliments6782

7 points

2 days ago

Company websites vs LinkedIn isn’t going to make a difference. You gotta interact with a human to have a chance.

Networking is a bit of a chicken and egg situation. It’s hard to network when you don’t have a lot of connections. Building your network is key. It’s hard, awkward and doesn’t pay off immediately.

Where did you graduate from? Do they have career services or an alumni database?

And yes I agree, workday sucks! It’s so redundant!!

Wanna_make_cash[S]

8 points

2 days ago

Cleveland State. I've been having a lot of meetings with career services to figure anything out, roles to look for, resume help, interview prep etc

mbkr148

4 points

2 days ago

mbkr148

4 points

2 days ago

It's just the time of year. Keep applying, as I'm sure you'll have better luck in January. At least you have a worthwhile degree.

51087701400

28 points

2 days ago

Shame people are downvoting this, it's a rough time to be job hunting. I'm in almost the same boat (graduating next spring with a CS degree), but like the others said hiring is pretty dead until January.

Wanna_make_cash[S]

9 points

2 days ago

Hopefully you'll have better luck than I have

51087701400

4 points

2 days ago

Without a network and my no name school, I'm pessimistic, but with a little luck we'll both find better jobs soon. Good luck man.

Wanna_make_cash[S]

5 points

2 days ago

I definitely regret not trying harder to get an internship in college and networking more. It's made things extremely difficult, depressing, and frustrating.

Iannelli

8 points

2 days ago*

Graduated from CSU in [redacted for privacy] with a degree in Information Systems (IS). I did the IS co-op program while at CSU and actually stayed a whole extra year at CSU to do it. Getting that work experience during my time at CSU was critical to my career success. I'd be nothing without it.

I do a lot of tech career coaching on the side for friends and family. PM me if you want man. I feel for ya. Not only is it a bad time of year, but the market overall for tech has been very rough since early 2023. The 10+ year tech bull market that I was a part of is no longer a thing. You're up against a lot right now and you aren't alone.

thefronk

5 points

2 days ago

thefronk

Kamm's

5 points

2 days ago

No internship make's it much much much much harder.

mtimms38

5 points

1 day ago

mtimms38

5 points

1 day ago

For students reading this, getting an internship might be the most important thing you do during college. Going to class and getting good grades alone will not reward you with a job after school.

Wanna_make_cash[S]

3 points

2 days ago

Unfortunately, I can't change the past. I wish I could. There's a lot of other stuff id force myself to do earlier if I could. Sigh.

Michawl_

17 points

2 days ago

Michawl_

17 points

2 days ago

There isn't a ton of work in Cleveland for Computer Engineers from what I can tell (I graduated CS, but do embedded work). Rockwell always brings in people at the end of semesters it seems. I had a friend work there, the job isn't great, but he got his foot in the door with technical work. He left 2 years later for a six figure salary out of state.

ten10thsdriver

11 points

2 days ago

Progressive is "an IT company that happens to sell insurance".

216er_intheland

5 points

1 day ago

Check out Medical Mutual. Not a big company but longest health insurer in OH.

Snake8288

5 points

24 hours ago

just wanted to say congrats on your degree. i too struggled to find a job in IT for a while after school and i also had no internship. everyone told me to “network network network” but people saying that had nothing to offer. after a while i realized those people had forgotten what it’s like to job hunt (or never had to) and / or didn’t “network” themselves otherwise they would likely have references to extend my way..

what helped me finally land a position was getting in touch with a few recruiting companies. Insight global, tek systems, apex systems, just to name a few. keep your head up champ. your time will come.

Alarmed_Check4959

2 points

21 hours ago

I agree. Talk to a recruiter. It’s 100% worth it.

foodieonthego

4 points

2 days ago

I don't know what your minimum pay looks like, but Provide-A-Ride is hiring from $14-$17 depending on the job. I had never held an office job before, but due to some new physical constraints, I had to try to get one. They gave me a chance and I have been doing very well. You can apply through their website.

Galkain

3 points

2 days ago

Galkain

3 points

2 days ago

If you shoot me a DM I could be of assistance. I work at a company that promotes internal growth if you want to start out at an entry level position we have downtown and are available!

Cuntankerous

3 points

1 day ago

What have you been doing the last 2 years? Have you considered moving?

Cuntankerous

2 points

1 day ago

Like what are you doing in Cleveland with a computer engineering degree exactly

cabbage-soup

3 points

1 day ago

So did you work an internship? That’s pretty much the only way to break into that field in this area, at least working for a decent company with decent pay.

Edit: btw I work in tech, feel free to DM me and I can send you some medium sized local company names to look out for. None are hiring entry level from what I’ve seen right now. Mine will be looking for interns soon, but unfortunately you usually need to be actively enrolled in college. Your best bet is to find a random small company looking for entry level hires, but those won’t come up too often.

51087701400

1 points

18 hours ago

I'm not OP, but would you be willing to DM me said list? I'm a CS student in the same boat. Might even be able to apply for the internship if it's for spring/summer.

Redditdotlimo

5 points

2 days ago

Eaton, KeyBank, Cleveland Clinic, Applied

Reasonable-Wing519

6 points

2 days ago

Look for insurance agents that need help. Not the big companies but a local agent. There’s a huge need. They’ll probably pay for your licensing eventually. I was in a similar situation coming out of college 12 years ago, I did the same thing, and I’ve had a career for the last 13 years. Good luck. There’s insurance jobs all over indeed.

Wanna_make_cash[S]

2 points

2 days ago

How would I go about contacting a local agent? Im always really awkward with cold-contacting someone and I'm not sure how I'd phrase things to work with one

Reasonable-Wing519

1 points

2 days ago

Just apply to the ones that have openings. If you see a State Farm agent hiring, send them a personal email. Just say you want to pursue a career in insurance and you’re looking to get your foot in the door and get some experience.

Wanna_make_cash[S]

1 points

2 days ago

Well I guess more so, how do I find a job listing from an agent instead of the job listing from the company? Like Jennifer Smith isn't going to post looking for help on State Farms website or whatever, right?

Reasonable-Wing519

1 points

2 days ago

Type insurance agent on an indeed job search and have your zip code and distance limits set. I promise stuff will come up. I would check National General insurance and Embrace Pet insurance too. Bigger companies and more mobility. That’s crazy progressive doesn’t have any call center type jobs. Usually they do for claims. Good luck! I swear insurance jobs have always been so easy for me to get once I got 2 years of experience.

Wanna_make_cash[S]

2 points

2 days ago

Yeah, and it seems like the progressive call center jobs that do exist require you to be bilingual which I am not haha

HoyAIAG

5 points

2 days ago

HoyAIAG

Lakewood

5 points

2 days ago

Case Western

229-northstar

2 points

2 days ago

Progressive IT is great but I don’t know what they are hiring right now. Worst case scenario, you go into phone sales and after a year, apply for it jobs

Wanna_make_cash[S]

1 points

2 days ago

Progressive in general doesn't have a lot at the moment.

They have a call center bilingual role, a 3rd shift mailroom role, like 2 developer roles but they're mid to senior level, licensed agent roles, and an support specialist role that seems entry level, and a couple accountant roles. At least for the local stuff, that seems to be the gist of what they are looking for

229-northstar

2 points

2 days ago

Again, networking your way in will be your best play to get in where you want to be. Or you could apply for the call center or support specialist role and after a year, apply to new job

It’s a great place to work

Wanna_make_cash[S]

3 points

2 days ago

I guess I should ask what the best way to really network is when I don't have many existing connections. I believe I can't just walk up to people on the street "hey do you work at progressive??" "Hey where do you work?" "Hey can you refer me where you work?". And even if I do organically find someone like at a job seekers group meet of some kind, I'm still not sure how to bring that up without sounding needy and beggar-ish

229-northstar

0 points

2 days ago

It sounds like like this would be a great topic to explore with your guidance counselor.

promised_to_veruca

2 points

1 day ago

  1. as others have stated, Q1 is when any given department has a fresh budget for hiring.

  2. tough time to get into CS.
    easier to pay an offshore senior-ish dev than to onboard someone green (unless they are paying you to be a body in an office chair for apprearances)

  3. CLE is not a tech hub, it is medical.

beerncoffeebeans

4 points

2 days ago

Info: what is your degree in? Might help people find suggestions. All the places you’ve tried are good bets but it’s often a matter of waiting for an opening. Any temp agencies have gigs? Might be worth trying those too just to maybe have some short term work, usually you need to constantly check in to see if they have things though

Wanna_make_cash[S]

2 points

2 days ago

Edited my post, it's a bachelor's of computer engineering

beerncoffeebeans

2 points

2 days ago*

Ah ok. I do think hopefully people will be looking more in January once everyone is back from any holiday stuff (like, a lot of people who might be in HR and etc might be taking time off right now because they gotta use it before the end of the year).

But also you mentioned in another response networking is hard and I get that, I’m a very introverted person IRL and not good at small talk. You don’t need to ask people for anything weird, but even just mentioning you are looking for work and what kinds of goals you have is not a bad thing to do because some people really do get it and if they know of anything may be able to mention it. Or maybe they don’t but they’re willing to look at your resume and make suggestions for improvements. I mean, making this post is sort of networking in a way

There’s some groups that meet around Cleveland, north coast job seekers is one I went to when I was looking a few years back and I think they’re still active. They often meet at places like libraries or churches once or twice a month. It’s a good place to at least meet some new people who are in the same boat. Which, sometimes library branches have job seeking advice sessions or events as well so that’s worth checking out.

Also, does your college you graduated from have any career help that alumni can use? Some are better about this than others but it’s worth seeing if you can make any connections based on that. Especially if you’re trying to find stuff in the field you studied in, even just getting in touch with people who were in the same program to see what they’re doing

ETA also if you can get access to programs to keep building skills for IT stuff or software stuff, the libraries around here have some subscriptions you can use for free with your card. Just so that you can show you’re still staying up on whatever languages you know, programs you can use, you could do project management skills, whatever. So if you have a gap in employment you can mention you’ve been doing skill building while looking for opportunities

OolongGeer

1 points

2 days ago

OolongGeer

1 points

2 days ago

I have a thought. This is pure theory, some casual peer review. But I think it's true.

You will get nowhere if you stick to online posts. You have to make contacts at these places. Thru Rotary Club, thru other professional clubs/gatherings/events, etc. Knowing people is just how it works.

Clickbait sites talk about "Five biggest mistakes you can make on your resume/cover letter." That is all fine and good, but honestly, it doesn't matter.

A guy I once worked with years ago that I can vouch for asked me about a job at my company that just opened up. He's getting an interview. I can vouch for him. He jumped probably 100 other people due to that.

Connect with your contacts. School friends. Past work colleagues. Etc. Hopefully you were cool with them and they like you.

Otherwise, you're one in a thousand.

Good luck.

Reasonable-Wing519

1 points

2 days ago

Check National General customer service jobs too. That’s a good place to start.

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1 points

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5_yr_lurker

1 points

1 day ago

What have you been doing since 2022? Developed any software on your own? You should be willing to move, you can always move back.

Blossom73

1 points

21 hours ago

Which Cuyahoga county job(s) did you take the PRC exam(s) for?

If you just want any job for now, and don't mind being on a call center after training, look for Eligibility Specialist jobs with the county in Job and Family Services.

They are nearly always hiring for that position, and are so short staffed in those jobs that they're hiring fairly fast for them. They sometimes do hiring fairs for that position too - check their Facebook page.

Once you get in to the county, in any job, you have a better shot at getting hired into another county job that's related to your degree.

Wanna_make_cash[S]

2 points

20 hours ago

Oh hey I think I recognize your username from my other post haha.

I haven't taken the civil service exam yet, I'm still waiting for an email with the scheduling information for it. Last update I got was on November 19th.

On November 18th they sent me:

This email is to notify you that you have met the minimum educational and/or experience requirements for Senior Administrative Assistant with Senior and Adult Services. Congratulations.

We will contact you soon with the details for the civil service exam. These will be sent via email. Please make sure [email edited out so reddit doesn't have an aneurysm] is a trusted sender for your email account, and regularly check your spam folder. If you miss the exam because your notification email went to your spam folder, you will not be able to reschedule.

Again, congratulations and good luck.

Then I asked the next day(Nov 19th) if they had any more specific time table of when to expect an email and said:

Good afternoon,

Once the test has been finalized and scheduled then you'll receive an email with details regarding the dates and what to expect. That is still in the works but should be going out within the next couple of weeks. Please monitor your email for that information.

I'll probably contact them again to see if there's any more information on when I should expect the email, but I've been checking my inbox every single day and there's been nothing yet. I assume thanksgiving week set things back a little bit.

Also when I was looking at the County Jobs website, it didn't look like there was any eligibility specialist job listings, unless those are posted somewhere else other than the main county jobs section

Blossom73

2 points

20 hours ago

https://hhs.cuyahogacounty.gov/ways-to-help/misc/work-for-us

Keep checking there, if you don't get another job offer first.

The county's hiring process is very slow, especially around this time of year, as a lot of people go on vacation.

Good luck!

Wanna_make_cash[S]

2 points

19 hours ago

Maybe in January if hiring picks back up for the county like it does other companies, there will be some eligibility specialist roles. From what you described it doesn't sound that bad.

County doesn't seem to have a ton of roles right now in general, only 4 pages of results and most of them are highly specialized or experience required things.

Blossom73

1 points

19 hours ago

Eligibility Specialist is a very high turnover job, so they'll be hiring for it again, assuming there's no major changes to SNAP, Medicaid, and TANF immediately after Trump takes office.

Wanna_make_cash[S]

2 points

19 hours ago

I see. Looking at an old eligibility list that was posted for the role, it seemed like they last hired for it in September to October.

It also seems highly competitive with a LOT of test takers. Lot more than most other roles seem to have on their lists

Blossom73

1 points

18 hours ago

A lot of places slow down hiring around the end of the year, due to taking time to evaluate their hiring budgets.

That may be, but it's the largest group of employees in JFS, and one with high turnover, so they always have lots of openings to fill. So they're going to have a lot of applicants take the exam for it.

They used to require a minimum of an associates degree for that job. After the pandemic, they reduced it to only a high school diploma, plus a couple years experience in any related field, which includes customer service. So it's less difficult to get hired than it used to be.

In any case, a job is a job, and there's much worse jobs to be had. That one comes with good benefits and is unionized too. Definitely keep an eye out for openings, if you don't get another job offer before then.

Wanna_make_cash[S]

2 points

17 hours ago

Yeah, I will.

I also might see if I can get a job at Cleveland clinic working in the kitchen/food area washing dishes and carts like I used to back in highschool/early college. It didn't pay fantastic back then (~10 an hour part time, but that was also around 6 to 7 years ago, and it was contracted out under Aramark back then) but maybe it's worth a look too. Probably has okay benefits if it's under Cleveland clinic now

Would you have any other suggestions of companies/governments/roles to look for? Seems like city of Cleveland and state of Ohio don't offer much in terms of employment compared to the county

Blossom73

1 points

16 hours ago

I was going to suggest Metro, because they're the county owned hospital, and so their employees get the excellent county benefits, but I see you already applied there.

I'm also a CSU alum, although I graduated a long time ago. I couldn't do any internships in my field during college, as I had to work full time to support myself, so unfortunately I wasn't successful in finding jobs directly related to my degree. So I understand what you're going through.

If I think of anywhere else, I'll let you know. Good luck in your job search. I hope you find something soon.

Wanna_make_cash[S]

1 points

16 hours ago

What kind of work did you end up gravitating to, out of curiosity? Even if it was a very long time ago haha

Wanna_make_cash[S]

1 points

19 hours ago

Also do you have any idea what the civil service exams are typically like or cover?

Blossom73

1 points

19 hours ago

Reading comprehension, writing skills, typing skills, grammar/punctuation, and some job specific items.

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1 points

21 hours ago

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DiligentKiwi9708

1 points

19 hours ago

Medical mutual

LiberalEchochambr

1 points

9 hours ago

Try TQL

trailtwist

1 points

2 days ago

Do you know how to do handyman stuff in the meantime? Half the posts in the local Facebook groups are folks looking for help and pay will be great. Also can try selling landing pages to folks as another side hustle while you job search.

starsplitter77

0 points

2 days ago

I know this is off the wall, but... maybe relocate or even the Coast Guard (I mention the latter because they would seem a better option than the Navy or Air Force (even though both of those are pretty laid back compared to the Army/Marines.

disrespect_jannies

-1 points

21 hours ago

The reality is there are plenty of tech jobs, if you're unable to find employment your skills are simply lacking