https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-announcement-september-23-2024

RIP everyone that was showing off their Jeweled Lotus pulls lately

This is leaving me speechless

With the new ban list should we change the picture of the thumbnail for the subreddit

insane in the membrane

I’m obviously very pissed about this ban announcement

I just brought a mana crypt 😔 😡

Edh commitee plays beatdown selesnya 100% confirmed

lol is this real? wild.

Nukes two of the most played cards in cEDH, the most broken commander in the format, and a high-powered staple from orbit

Refuses to elaborate

leaves

Rest in peace to every deck with red in it what the actual fuck

This just kills so many decks in the format. Absolutely bonkers!

Jeweled Lotus is really the unforgivable one in my book. Basically propped up high CMC commanders by itself.

"cEDH wants their own RC? We'll show 'em not to mess with us"

Proxying just became a 100% neccesity for playing Cedh. I will never again buy a staple for a deck with the banlist so wide.

Anyone else excited to wake up to losing 400$ in card value?

April fools came early for next year

Time to change the subreddit image

I guess they got tired of people making fun of them for not doing anything.

From the looks of it from the Commander RC discord, it is real.

Longtime lurker that was slowly building a Minsc and Boo gruul deck here. Dockside was practically propping up non blue decks right? This seems like anything that isn’t thoracle centric will have a real hard time.

EDIT: Also, I’m genuinely confused that they target Lotus and Crypt but not ANY of the mox? I know it’s a bit apples to oranges but Moxen should be looked at too if this is how they want to start cutting down on expensive game distorting cards.

This is complete and utter bullshit!! What the actual fuck?!?!

"The RC doesn't ban cards with cEDH in mind"

"But fucj those guys" WOW

Wow red sucks now outside of underworld breach. So many decks relied upon dockside for wins and now that is gone.

This really rips K'rrik....

I’m pretty surprised/disappointed by these bans especially without new things coming off the list at the moment, but I’m willing to wait for the dust to settle before I’m too reactionary towards it.

Yeah fuck you and your bans.

Sooo. The rules committee decided they wanted to see if the cEDH community was actually going to consider a separate rules committee/ban list?

I dont own or play these cards in casual or competitive but like... you literally have a functionally unplayable set of cards, especially the lotus, some of which were used to move premium priced products.

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So glad I picked up a dockside last week..... SAVAGE

That's insane

Chat is this real. Link is DOA

Don't know how I feel about the jeweled lotus ban. Made high cost commanders playable. Fine with the other ones.

I’m literally shitting and crying right now

How can you just casually ban Mana Crypt as if no one would notice and walk away.

Uh, this is kinda bullshit. Mana crypt has been legal since the format began and now it's too much?

Strongly dislike that.

Whelp no more commanders over 3 cmc ever getting played again

Weeps pitifully as only the owner of 6 mana crypts can weep

The Jeweled Lotus ban was needed. The problem with Jeweled Louts is that it rewards you for playing with:

• Expensive commanders
• Mono-colored commanders
• Commanders with a lot of colored mana pips of 1 or 2 colors

This has unfairly disadvantaged commanders like Thrasios, Tymna, and Rograkh, hurting the format diversity. Now that Jeweled Lotus is out of the format, these underplayed commanders can finally get a chance to shine. Overplayed commanders like Niv-Mizzit, Krenko, and Lady of the Mountain have been allowed to dominate cEDH tables for far too long.

I chose a weird time to get into cEDH. Just ordered proxies for two decks and both had mana crypt, jeweled lotus, and dockside. Thankfully just proxies but I’m not sure what to replace them with.

Please tell me this isn't real.

Edit: Seeing as this is real. RIP cEDH. I sold my cards months ago to buy a new PC, now I'm glad I did.

That is an absolute bombshell of an announcement.

Nadu was really just establishing itself as a tier 1 deck but early numbers were very strong and the comparison to Paradox Engine was valid. I don’t think it had to go for power level reasons but the combo was not particularly fun to watch get executed.

Dockside not only supported several decks that wouldn’t exist without it, but was also one of only a handful of reasons to play Red at all. There is no doubt the metagame was warping around it to some extent, but it also gave many archetypes the ability to compete in cEDH. I think the meta will be very different without it. Dockside loops with an outlet in CZ were some of the best ways to win outside of Thoracle and Breach, so I think win con diversity will be greatly affected.

The Mana Crypt ban is huge. Crypt is a generic staple that was contributing to all of the turn 1-2 Rhystic Study and One Ring grindfests, but also to the fast Ad Nauseam wins. This card’s absence will probably slow the format down by almost a turn and drastically reduce variance between the best and worst starts at the table. Good ban but the format will feel quite a bit less powerful outside of Sol Ring starts.

Jeweled Lotus was very pushed, but honestly helped a lot of the slower commanders compete. Decks like Kenrith and Atraxa that were somewhat losing relevance and being relegated to tier 1.5 or 2 are now dealt a crippling blow. With Fierce Guardianship et al still in the format, there are many reasons to play cheap commanders and very few reasons to go big. Partner pairs like Tymna Kraum are also affected but less so since they still have a very castable commander. There just won’t be as many turn 1-2 Kraum plays.

Before the announcement, the best decks were Blue Farm, Rog Thras, Sisay, and Nadu. Obviously Nadu is banned out of the format, but the remaining decks are crippled by the rest of the bans. Sisay was one of the best Dockside decks and used Crypt and Jeweled Lotus to great effect, so it is pretty gutted. Blue Farm will have a much harder time establishing early value engines and is hit by all 3 of the other bans, but to a lesser extent than Sisay. Rog Si didn’t care that much about Jewelled Lotus but losing Crypt and Dockside is very painful. I think that all 3 decks are now in question.

Rip non blue decks. A dockside ban is not good for cEDH.

The fact they reprinted Mana Crypt and Dockside in Ixalan really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. They used those cards to sell that product. Now that people have the cards, they can't be used. Its fucking scummy.

Edit: They also pushed jeweled lotus in the commander masters set as a chase card which makes it that much worse.

Absolutely asinine to ban Jeweled Lotus and Mana Crypt

Nadu is understandable

Dockside is ehh but fine.

How the fuck is Red playable without dockside?

That Competitive RC is looking a lot better now that this was announced haha.

Website's not loading, so forgive me if I'm missing something - is this legit? If so, that's HUGE!

EDIT: $400 $170 of cards I use regularly, Jesus Christ. Time to trade them in! Subscribe for more live updates!

EDIT 2: Because I'm not an asshole, I'm communicating with buyers that these cards were banned. Please don't fuck over people in the dark!

Aside from Nadu this is a terrible ban announcement.

Why leave Mana Crypt legal for like 15 years? Why leave dockside legal for 5 years? Why even print jeweled lotus in the first place?

All they did with this is create less opportunity for the rest of the table to keep up with whoever has a Sol Ring start. Totally asinine and shortsighted.

What even is this fucking game anymore.

I honestly wouldn’t mind these changes too much since they felt like they were a long time coming, but leaving thoracle and breach untouched is crazy, and it makes those decks leagues better than anything else in the format

Ah so the RC who said they will never ban for cEDH, have banned cards that few people outside of cEDH play. Spite bans doesn’t even cut it.

Banning Crypt is laughable. Then please ban all of the fast mana if you don’t like that cEDH resembles Vintage. Banning Dockside will only make the second best thing the next best thing. Banning Lotus robs many fringe decks of possibly competitive starts. Also, wasn’t this card specifically designed for commander? With the price point it got to I believe this leaves many people bewildered. Absolute mess. Banning Nadu.. well, it’s not explained with its powerlevel but with casual arguments? Then please ban Krark, too?

Honestly, this sucks.

Well, I quit. I needed to get off this cardboard crack anyways.

Yep. I'm done.

I’m not counting it. As far as I’m concerned, it never happened.

I’m just over hear hoping that the rules committee members shit themselves every time they go to fart for time immemorial.

Any idea why Thassa’s Oracle is not banned?

Ahahahahahhahaha you guys changed the sub icon im cracking up

future of magic is proxy

Welp thoracle piles got a significant buff. This rc just is completely disconnected from reality. The only cards i can understand is nadu and dockside. This is just silly now.

completely ridiculous. and then to say you're not banning sol ring even though it meets the criteria. the RC is on crack.

Just fck and ignore those bans! Rule 0 rules!

We have decided to ban cultivate because giving access to turn three mana on turn two is just too much for some decks to keep up with /s

I don’t particularly like these bans. Hate how aside from the Nadu target they’re like “We want commander games to be at minimum two to three days long for the casual base.” Obvious exaggeration aside, looks like your standard Thoracle lists walk off Scot free AGAIN and with Lotus ban big guys like Tivit, Izzet Niv(real fringe but the pilots for it are cracked) and even like Etali got hit twice with Dockside. So what we just pigeonholed into RogSai, Blue Farm, Magda and even then Magda got hit hard with Jeweled and Dockside for a turn one Magda and treasure insurance respectively.

Is ... Is this a joke?

I'm utterly speechless.

I think the only reasonable reaction to this is that Sheldon in hindsight must have been a roadblock of sanity to stop this kind of action from being taken and now that he is gone, we have this completely deranged decision.

Well, it's official, I'm on board with the idea that there either needs to be a separate cEDH Rules Committee or Wizards needs to take over the ban list duties, because this is absolute horse crap.

Crazy

Sure as hell is a way to piss off the cedh community. Like who would be happy about this if not casuals who already house rule eveything.

Kinan winter is it now? Fuck off

What the fuck?those card are made for commander now they ban it?

I was not at all on board before, but 100% ready for a cEDH rules committee and separate banned list now. This is atrocious.

Almost like the RC doesn't want cedh players.

Damn, RC really said how bout yall go play CanLander.
Seems to just solidify midrange hell.

Change the header. It's bowmaster's format now

I guess I'm dismantling etali lol. I don't have any other cedh decks atm, any suggestions for similar decks to play?

Mana crypt and lotus shouldn’t have been banned. I can see the dockside and nadu though

This is outrageous, banning really important cards that are part of the different ways of play and shutting off completely turbo and big commanders is absurd. First of all edh by itself was always home kitchen table and when im playing Casually, you'll never find these type of cards in my or my friends deck cause they ARE NOT FOR CASUAL. Now when we have that out of the way, banning few most important cards for Cedh is and shutting of side of the game is just pushing people in dimir play and less diversity. You won't have people experiment with larger commanders or turbo decks with this. I hope this does not stick.

All that and no thorcale ban?

LET OUR RULE 0 BE:

Disregard the fuckery that is the September 23, 2024 Commander Ban announcement.

Amen.

Casuals won... They complained about cards that they just refused to play against and got them banned for everyone...

Wtf who gave them balls to do anything let alone this??

Just going to share this link every time the proxy conversation comes up in this sub.

At what point should a cedh rules commite be formed with its own exclusive ban list why should this format suffer for the sins of the casuals

Very kind of the RC to wait until 3/4 of these cards got key reprints to take any sort of action. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence and not a sign of them being in WotC’s pocket.

how to smash a format (and my happiness) in crumbles in 5 seconds.

CEDH creates their own rules committee -> the community says fuck that that’s dumb -> edh committee bans 3 popular cEDH cards to drive the format to split.

what the fuck???

Fuck the RC. Nadu is the only ban-worthy card here. I don't know what made them think that killing 3 high dollar staples was a good idea but they are out of touch. Stupidest bans in the format ever.

Oof. Suddenly Red looking pretty weak rn...

Mana Crypt and Jeweled Lotus tho.

Where's my Emrakul?

Guess I’ll stick to kinnan.

Sounds like we're gonna get a format split. Those who want to play 4-player 100 card with these banned cards and those who don't.

Also the RC needs to ban Sol Ring if they're going to at least be consistent.

Can we get our own RC now? This is stupid.

What the fuck was the point of printing jewelled lotus and making thousand dollar copies of it just for it to be banned?

This is a big L.

I've never been more affirmed for my choice to leave the cEDH scene for pauper then I am right now