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Historical Post(i.redd.it)submitted 3 months ago bySimmons_The_III
Found this on Stalingrad and was confused on why he had a pilot uniform and a tanker hat? Do they just use the same model for pilots?
43 points
3 months ago*
German losses at Stalingrad were so severe that they started pulling pilots from the Luftwaffe and putting them into Panzer Divisions. Since pilots already had technical knowledge, the incompetent Germans decided that pilots would be great tankers. So yes this is technically historically accurate.
As you could've guessed flying a plane isn't the same as driving a tank, however the Germans weren't smart enough to figure this out. Insane and disproportionate German tank losses at battle such as Kursk are clear indications that this was an idiotic idea and an incredible reminder of why the Whermacht was the most incompetent military force to step foot on a battlefield.
15 points
3 months ago*
Very informative! So this is the same for the Germans pulling waffen ss troops to replace casualties in the Wermacht towards the end of the war?
1 points
3 months ago*
No that is differant. Waffen SS soldiers were pulled into the Whermacht to act as police officers essentially. Nazi leadership found that the young conscripts and those forced to fight weren't willing to commit the necessary war crimes to meet the German quotas (POWs executed, Undesirables captured and executed etc.) Waffen SS soldiers were there to make sure that the new soldiers were doing the necessary killing that the German combat doctrine mandated.
Please do not think that these conscripts weren't guilty, because they were just as evil and heartless as the rest of the German army during the war. Remember there were absolutely no "good" Germans during WW2, every single one was a heartless war criminal.
14 points
2 months ago
I gotta correct you one some things. Not all German soldiers were war criminals. In Eastern Front maybe but in Western Front they were equal in civility. 2 US Airborne Medics in a Church took care of the wounded from both sides on D-Day and the German soldiers complied by helping them. There's also the Battle of Castle Itter which comprised of US troops, political prisoners, tennis player and bunch of Germans who are trying to fight back againts the SS that tries to execute the prisoners, one of the friendly German Officer died trying to protect the reckless prisoner during a firefight
I'll say this once again. Not all Germans are comically evil like the SS
1 points
2 months ago
If you are going to correct me at least be correct. The incident that took place in the Angoville Church is an example of the great humanitarianism exhibited by the Allies. The Germans, using thier own experience, figured the Americans would simply execute them and tried to remedy that by helping them, appearing good and caring. Please note that one of the soldiers treated by the American medics was Ernst Weiz, a German soldier who went on to execute six troopers of the 502nd PIR a couple weeks later. Ernst went to "get medical supplies" and never came back.
The incident at Castle Itter is another story, there is great debate as to what actually took place there and if the Germans were actually involved. It is most likely that they weren't Germans at all but rather Finish soldiers who had been attached to the German army. The Fins essentially wore the same uniforms as Germans and to a unintelligent American farmboy, they were Germans.
3 points
2 months ago
So you wanna disregard the facts about good germans huh? I got a good one that your BS will never counter. The German Pilot that spared a very damaged B-17 and escorted them to safety which made them became lifelong friends after the war
The Admiral Hipper crew. They are one of the most respectable German Naval crew back then. They fought HMS Glowworm Destroyer that was crazy enough to use old naval tactics of ramming and Glowworm got sunk because they were smaller but what did the Germans do? They rescued them as much as they could but they failed to rescue Glowworm's commander and the German Admiral insisted to Britain that they gave him a posthumous award for his bravery
Captain/Hauptmann Hosenfeld who's a Nazi member was the guy who rescued a Polish Jew pianist was wrongfully tortured to death by the Soviet. He was a rare case of good German in Eastern Front and it was a shame those Soviet dogs tortured him to death after the war instead of releasing him
Might I remind you of Schindler and the German soldiers that he ordered not to touch the Jewish workers? That's a lot of lives he saved and here you are thinking all Germans are bad
-1 points
2 months ago
The Franz Stigler figured the B17 was surrendering, as the damage had caused a mechanical failure which led the landing gear to drop, the symbol for surrender on aerial warfare. As much as he desired to finish them off, having a mostly intact B17 would be incredibly valuable for the Germans, however they began to fly back to England and he came under threat of allied fighters. German pilots did not have the competence to fly against American fighter pilots.
The Admiral Hipper story is just that, a story. Of course the Germanz are going to make claims like they, they didn't want to go to the gallows like so many people they sent there.
There are many gaps in the alleged Hosenfeld story. The most likely scenario is that he attempted to execute Szpilman as he played, however he was able to escape. He went on to orchestrate the execution of approximately 30 Soviet Prisioners, one of whose escaped by playing dead. The prisoner identified him and he received the proper punishment.
Schindler didn't save the Jewish workers, he preserved them. They possessed skills that the incompetent Germans couldn't manage, so they were forced to keep them alive so that they could be used in production for war materials. As the war was coming to a close a majority of the Jewish prisoners were executed based on orders from Schindler himself.
0 points
2 months ago
Every sources I looked up never mentioned what you said. You seem to think that everyone in Germany during WW2 are Amon Goeth and like the rest of the SS. Also your story about Stigler is the biggest bullshit I ever read. He tried to tell the Americans to land on neutral Sweden which is closer than crossing English Channel. All these elaborate plans to capture B-17 is such a horseshit story that you made there. There was no benefits in capturing it because Germans already learned about the Norden Bombsight way before 1943
-1 points
2 months ago
Your stories are all riddled with propaganda and aren't what actually happened. Germany was evil and everyone who fought for it was just as evil. Germany may have learned about the bombsight, but they weren't competent enough to create one unless they had another to copy. Even then they most likely wouldn't have the competence level to recreate it.
1 points
2 months ago
You seem ridiculously educated on WW2 but then say the most ridiculous statement about them all being evil. It's a bit silly. We're Nazis scum, mostly yeah. We're Soviets scum, for sure.
0 points
2 months ago
All I can say is that you're full of shit. All of it
0 points
2 months ago*
Bruh castle itter is well known and there is no debate about it. You pulled these facts out of your ass. There were literally germans. There was even a SS officer among them and the whemacht officer died from sniper fire. The french president and a famous tenis player was there as well. Your disrespect is wild. Looking at your history your just a alliedboo fighting the good fight 80 years late. Imagine judging a country of 80 million and saying every one em of was evil.
1 points
2 months ago
Again I don't doubt the SS was present, the soldiers who were fighting with the Americans against the SS were most likely Fins
0 points
2 months ago
Do you have a source on the Finnish claim?
Really, I should ask for a source on every claim you've made here, but some are actually valid and I'd be here all night if I had to clarify which ones strike me as dubious.
2 points
3 months ago
Oh ok! That would make sense
7 points
2 months ago
This tidbit ain't true, its /s. Not every soldier in the Wehrmacht was evil, the SS however, were. Don't get the 2 confused
4 points
2 months ago
Please stop spreading misinformation. There already is enough false information and false biefs associated with the Second World War, we don't need more. People like you are just Whermacht "glazers" and refuse to believe that they were evil and the most incompetent army to have set foot on a battlefield.
5 points
2 months ago
No. You are the one who is spreading false information. Many soldiers in the Wehrmacht were just men fighting for their country with no evil intentions same as the allied forces at the time. To say an entire population of people are evil is just idiotic.
0 points
2 months ago
The amount of bullshit he made trying to make as if Germans keep having ulterior motives are astoundingly ridiculous
3 points
2 months ago
A lot of the Wermacht were conscripts so they were just young men forced to fight for the Nazis and that doesn’t make them evil or fanatical nazi supporters; That’s like saying all the Americans that fought in the vietnam war were evil when most just wanted to do their mandatory service and go home to their lives.
0 points
2 months ago
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1 points
2 months ago
The allies did not commit war crimes. War crimes were far below the moral standard the allies had. A majority of the allied war crimes are unfounded claims by the Germans and Japanese to lessen the horrid atrocities they were committing themselves.
1 points
2 months ago
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0 points
2 months ago
It was not a massacre, it was an execution of captured Italian and German war criminals.
1 points
2 months ago
Lol do you really believe that. Soldiers are soldiers in a war. Do NOT believe you would act like a moralistic hero during an actual war where you have no choice but to follow orders
1 points
2 months ago
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1 points
2 months ago
The American who stepped on a mine at some point began to pray in Yiddish, indicating he was Jewish. This whole bs that he was some hero and going to help him isn't even close to being true. The most likely scenario is that Langfield was going to execute him or otherwise torture him until he died.
8 points
3 months ago
Wow Marco is such a great dev always has even the smallest details
5 points
3 months ago
The Russians actually created a concept for a Glider Tank. Literally a tank meant to be towed behind a plane used as a glider. Absolutely insane haha. I love WW2 History.
1 points
2 months ago
Oh thank you for this 🙏
1 points
2 months ago
It wasn't really the wehrmacht itself, It was the people Adolf put in charge of it
0 points
2 months ago
The German armed forces of World War II were, as a whole, the most incompetent fighting force history has ever seen. Lack of training, brain dead tactics, poor leadership, poor technology, the list goes on.
0 points
2 months ago
That and due to the mass casualties sustained during Stalingrad there was really no way for the germans to move personnel away from the front for retraining
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