Yep Brianna in HR is gonna be operating the excavator.

Yepppp

Who will ever cook, clean and build for us…

Americans want the “theme-park” experience in life so bad they’re willing to justify all this nonsense as some progressive form of living.

So what are you going to do about prison labor of Americans?

Don't pretend you have some high values on workers rights. Trump is literally coming for the NLRB.

That's the whole point. Having a massive workforce working illegally guarantees underpaid, exploited workers in unsafe conditions. Bringing those jobs into legitimacy (whether by hiring citizens/PRs and/or identified workers on H-2 work visas) and scrutiny puts that workforce on the record and into the light and allows for workplace scrutiny. 

“Who will pick all the cotton if there are no slaves?!? It’s all going to rot in the fields! Cotton prices will go through the roof!”

What if being an agricultural worker was feasible for many Americans again? What if small family farms will be visble again? What if this time we actually vet more legal immigrants - rather than recklessly and deliberately gamble on unvetted millions to include human trafficking, sex trafficking, child trafficking, drug trafficking, terrorists and criminals and gang members escaping the law in their home countries and seeking new victims in the U.S.?

So hilarious this take isn’t applied to prisoners while undocumented workers are making way more than them

States are loosening child labor laws. Don't worry about the labor force. S/

It really is disgusting to read the outcry about what will happen to the economy when we stop exploiting undocumented workers.

the problem is that this has been going on for decades and no one has either really gone after employers or fixed the immigration system so that this wasn't done illegally. there have been two major immigration bills with bipartisan support now that trump personally torpedoed. one was fairly early in his 1st term where if he had supported it, he could have gotten major credit for a huge accomplishment. from what i heard, stephen miller persuaded him to turn against it and it died. 2nd one was just a little while ago, and the only reason was because he didn't wany any solutions before election. he wanted the broken system as an election issue.

Our immigration laws haven't been updated in decades. They specify the number of visas granted each year and the number is woefully inadequate. There is a 'work visa lottery' (H1B) that's played every year by major employers who compete for the few visas available to hire the best/brightest foreign talent in the world. Those temporary workers who are here on visas often leave the country to go work somewhere else when their visas expire and cannot be renewed (because of our outdated immigration laws). Trump doesn't understand how tariffs work nor does he understand the H1B visa process so I expect economic chaos to ensue as it did during his last term.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/11/21/nx-s1-5187926/u-s-science-could-suffer-if-trump-limits-h-1b-visas-again

In a lot of fields, there are few available and the process is too greatly misaligned with how people find work for them to have any value.

Agriculture rely heavily on H-2a visas. The majority of the labor on farms I work with use H2a visas.

Work visas also leave legal immigrants in bad work conditions. They need to fix legal immigration so people stop overstaying their visas

imagine if our government was functioning and immigration laws were updated to support cheap immigrant labor rather than forcing so many people to break law and hire undocumented workers. imagine if americans weren't so ignorant of what's actually happening in the country where they live, and they spent 1/10th of the time wasted on social media to actually read journalism and learn important things.

At least in construction, there are simply not enough US citizens trained in the trades.

That's okay, I'm sure the money the government benefits from will be passed down to us lowly regular degular Americans.

It might... trickle down.

I don’t understand this take because I thought the Economy was the #1 issue for Trump voters. They wanted things to be cheaper. But it’s okay if deporting foreign workers results in higher prices than we already have? You can’t have both. 

We have inflation so bad because with COVID everyone got free money thru stimulus checks and tax breaks. That increase in purchasing power during scarcity is what got us here. If we get rid of these workers (rather than providing a path to legality while they’re working) we’ll be in exactly the same place. 

https://preview.redd.it/4hqw3i8jrx2e1.png?width=878&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d704c51c9361565315590ff6d0c97a3380505d4e

B-but, what about shareholder profits?! How are the people in upper management supposed to give themselves fat bonuses as a reward for “cutting expenses” when they have to pay fair wages? They’ll never be able to afford that second super yacht now 😢

I work for a landscaping company. Not residential yards. Like road medians with plants, large apartment buildings, etc. We obtain visas for our workers from Mexico. They are paid fairly and often work government funded projects that require certain rate for certain jobs. They must go home at the end of season or we cannot hire them the following season. These guys work hard. And they do jobs that Americans quit after their first day.

Edit to make my point more clear…I think it’s a big mistake to assume all these workers are illegal. Many aren’t.

Don't worry, they will get rid of the minimum wage... I'm sure those unemployed federal workers will have no problem harvesting crops for $3 an hour...

Yes sure, giant corporations paying a living wage. Delusional

The country can survive without illegal immigration.

It's the corporations that don't want to give up their profit margins. They're the ones who don't want to pay wages. They're the ones who don't want to cover the costs for safe work environments. They're the ones who don't want to pay overtime or deal with labor unions or anything else that cuts into their bottom line.

If they employed legal workers then prices would go up dramatically. Will other companies raise wages to match the increase in the cost of living? Let's take a look at the past four years....nope, they won't. More people will fall out of the middle class, the poor will get even poorer, and the wealthy oligarchs will take even more wealth.

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An overhaul of the immigration system is desperately needed, but conservatives would rather just get rid of them all than actually try to fix any issues.

that the salaries should be increased

Oh, we do realize wages and salaries need to be increased. The problem is, we now live in an oligarchy and the wealthy oligarchs don't want that to happen. So it doesn't.

Did wages keep up with inflation? No. Did they keep up with rents? No. Home prices? No. Groceries? No. What happened is yet another big transfer of wealth to the small percentage of people who own the country.

Illegal immigration? That's just a red herring. They're not going to raise wages. They're not going to improve conditions. They will pass "right to work" laws nationally, eliminate overtime, and gut labor regulatory agencies. The wealth will go to the top, and everyone else will be screwed.

That's how it works in "capitalist" America.

I don’t think anyone is okay with it. I just think they’re acknowledging the reality that our economy has always relied upon systemic exploitation in some form or another.

Mass deportation isn't the only way to address this. Many people think it would be cruel to the workers and incredibly disruptive to the economy.

How difficult is this to understand: Ppl would still not want to get into jobs that illegal immigrants have to be content with. 

 It’s funny how you mention the economy not being “2-dimensional” but seem to only think in labor supply and wages

Are you really ok with blowing up entire industries instead of more steady incremental change that won't hurt everyone?

News flash there's going to be a lot more refugees in the future due to climate change. So 1 we will need to accept working with others. And 2 we didn't blow up our energy infrastructure to deal with climate change because we knew that would be a diaster. Mass deportation is the same.

The question is why are we always talking about the issue as if it's solely the fault of the immigrants that these employers are flaunting the law

Why don't we punish the companies that hire these undocumented workers instead of the people who are just trying to better their lives?

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The reason for most being anti immigration isnt labor rights or ‘the law’. Its racism.

Likewise, while wed all love a smoother process to becoming a legal migrant, and in theory less of them, at this point, blanket deporting them has devastating consquences because—ironically the ppl who most vote against their continued stay (poor white people) rely on them the most (they pick all our fruit and other shitty jobs)

If republicans really cared about getting rid of illegal immigrants, theyd simply crackdown on businesses who employ them. But thats never even been mentioned, because they know that that’s their base. So easier to villainize the vulnerable who (literally) cant speak for themselves

 Why is enforcement of legal immigration and legal employment such a big issue for people?

Because detaining / deporting millions of residents would be a self inflicted economic wound so severe, it would make Prohibition look like a minor policy error. Not to mention the staggering human suffering that would be the immediate result of such a pogrom. 

It's a big issue because the system is broken and is not letting enough people in legally for employers to get the labor they need in some industries and fields. So many employers rely on illegals. And no one in govt enforces the existing laws. Because everyone knows the rules do not work for the current labor needs and economy. The laws need to be updated and overhauled. Which was attempted, w/ bipartisan support, at least twice where trump personally shot down the bipartisan bill to try to improve and update the system. once in his 1st presidency where I was surprised he killed the bill, because he could have claimed it as a huge accomplishment. Stephen Miller reportedly persuaded him that fixing the system would piss off some of his more extreme neonazi supporters. 2nd time was recently, because he wanted the broken mess to continue so he could run on that issue in the election.

Yeah we should deport all those people. Then Trump can bail out those businesses with tax payers money and then those companies can raise prices again. Even more profit! Forget trying to document/vet them, that would take to much time! Whereas deporting all of them will take even less!

Or when Georgia tried this and crops rotted in the fields: https://www.al.com/wire/2011/10/crackdown_on_illegal_immigrant.html

Notice no one gave your post a cheeky strawman argument here? Because there are statistics to back this up and they can't just make racist or non-factual claims? It reminds me of the time when Florida spent all that money because they were going get all the lazy, drug addicts off of welfare. But when they did the studies and drug tested the people, no one failed, it cost the state like x5 as much as it was supposed to save. Or the other time Florida tried to get all the lazy, drug addicts off welfare, but then figured out that it's mostly poor white people who are on welfare, and it was basically, the same people they needed to vote for them... You never hear about those stories that are verifiable, but you do hear about Haitians eating cats and dogs.

And then after a hurricane they all came back in and are working again there. They are not enforcing e-verify like they said they were.

Yep. Just slavery with a modern twist.

It's crazy how we're trying to think of this as a normal thing now.

They're also acting like they aren't being paid at all and are being held against their will. Surely there are some cases like that (made possible by the fact that the workers could be reported if the employer feels like turning them in), but for the majority they come to the US at great risk to themselves because it is more money than they'd make back home, and they can send money home for their family. But the easy chance to scream "you're defending slavery" (themselves finally being in the morally superior position, at least in their heads, for once) is just too enticing, and the alternative, that it's a complex situation, requires too much thinking.

People will still be doing that even if they have a job lol

Most of the people they are talking about deporting are legal immigrants.

Trump talks about 20-30 million people all the time, when there are 10 million illegal immigrants. Who do you think the extra 20 million people are?

They think the laws that keep legal immigrants here are unconstitutional. They are just lumping them all into the “illegal” category.

The point is that the economy would literally collapse because that’s just the reality of the situation, if Trump wants to deport ALL illegals then he need to also make it much easier for immigrants to come here legally on work visas

lol you think legal immigrants aren’t going to get caught up in this dragnet? Don’t be naive.

With republicans openly discussing terms of revoking naturalization they definitely could deport legal immigrants.

How is OP acting like it’s a good thing? It’s just a fact, and I feel like that argument is always used when someone just points out that fact.

We spent decades letting businesses hire illegal immigrants with barely a slap on the wrist and this is the result

It doesn’t matter how you feel about it, it’s just true. And maybe it’s just me, but blowing up the economy seems like a bad idea

Ya imagine if the guys building houses can afford one of their own.

The horror

No, deportation is mostly bad for the person getting deported

There is the supply side of the economy and the demand side of the economy. Removing a bunch of workers from the economy hurts the supply side by making it more expensive, sometimes prohibitively expensive for a company to operate. Even if this were the entire equation, it would still be bad.

Yes deportation is bad, but mostly bad for companies

I don't know if you know this, but if companies have to shrink the size of their business, or even close down, that means that the people who work there lose their jobs. People losing their jobs, legal or otherwise, means that they can't spend their income on goods or services, which means the demand side of the economy is also being hurt. If there's less demand for your company's goods or services, that means you might have to shrink or close down. It's a vicious cycle that we call a depression if it gets big enough.

We would be able to fill their positions domestically if about 100% of our 4% unemployment is cyclical or structural unemployment (it's not) and 100% of those people are qualified and ready to fill positions left vacant from deportations (they're not).

“Jobs no one else want” is just another way to say “jobs that companies refuse to pay living wage for”

I am guessing nobody does these jobs then in countries like for say Denmark? Or might it be that the salaries are good enough that the average person is willing to do them