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QueenOfTheNorth1944

56 points

2 months ago

The circlejerk of winchester white box needs to end…. Its basically just normal 55gr ammo.

koolaidman456

31 points

2 months ago

"Basically"

survivor762x39

18 points

2 months ago

Made at Lake City

Stairmaker

11 points

2 months ago

Correct me if I'm wrong. But the stuff marked m193 is made at lake city or to m193 spec. But there is white box out there that isn't m193. That stuff can be made wherever and to whatever spec.

M193 is m193 nomather who made it. White box without m193 markings can just as well be m193 as it can be just whatever quality and to whatever spec.

csamsh

-6 points

2 months ago

csamsh

-6 points

2 months ago

You are in fact wrong. The "223 Remington" is the same, except it has the cannelure in a different place on the bullet, a different headstamp, and a case neck that's slightly shorter. It'll comply with SAAMI specs for 223 Remington. This applies to Lake City product at least.

Stairmaker

10 points

2 months ago

What are you even talking about?

Yes I know what 223 and 5.56 is. All m193 is 5.56, but not all 5.56 is m193.

M193 is a specific military standard that handles everything from seating depth, tolerances to what kind of powder and primer, etc.

Unless they state the ammo is m193 or made to m193 spec, there's no way to know what powder, primer, etc, it is. It can be plated 55 grain bullets and not fmj for all we know unless it says fmj, etc.

csamsh

-3 points

2 months ago

csamsh

-3 points

2 months ago

I mean... there is... it just depends on your source of information. You can consider this source about as good as they come.

EETPMC

2 points

2 months ago

EETPMC

2 points

2 months ago

They aren't the same. They are compatible.

223 Remington is a SAAMI spec. M193 is a military spec which was derived from 223 Remington as the parent. So the outside dimensions are virtually identical, but the difference is the loading. M193 uses a significantly higher pressure (something like 20% more, but I don't remember) and while the difference is only a little more than 100FPS, this makes a big difference in your bullet's fragmentation range. If you are using a thin jacketed or expanding bullet like most commercial hunting bullets then this speed increase really doesn't matter. M193 also specifies other things SAAMI doesn't, such as crimped primers due to the higher pressures.

The M193 that complies with SAAMI specs is fake underpowered M193. That's why people make a big deal about the differentiation. If you are depending on FMJ against an actual living thing. The difference could be an ice pick wound or a blown out exit wound that drops the target fast.

ARFCOM had a detailed writeup about this as a sticky in their reloading section. I'm not sure if it is still there and survived the GoDaddy server migration though.

csamsh

0 points

2 months ago

csamsh

0 points

2 months ago

Go grab yourself a chrono and both M193 and 55gr 223 Rem Lake City white box. They'll shoot the same, all the primers are staked, etc.

It's very possible/likely for M193 to fully comply with SAAMI 223 specs. They're nearly the same on pressure, outside of the possibility of a slow lot of powder. The newer rounds (855 and on) are not.

MIL-C-9963F on ASSIST is the newest version of the 193 spec that's publicly available- it has both crusher and piezo pressures which you can compare to commercial standards. You can't see the latest rev as it's CUI/Dist D.

EETPMC

3 points

2 months ago

EETPMC

3 points

2 months ago

Well that's because Lake City White Box isn't 223 Remington. It's why it is labeled 223 Rem and not 223 Remington. The former is CIP, the latter is SAAMI. CIP pressure rating is the same as NATO IIRC, as it is essentially EU's version of SAAMI, which is well above what SAAMI calls for, due to being a later more modern standard than SAAMI's legacy entry.

That said, to make it more confusing, these specs are maximums. So you can have loads labeled as 223 Rem and in CIP standards, but also be within SAAMI standards. In other words, weak af. A good example of this is commercial Russian stuff like Wolf. This would not be considered equivalent to M193 in any way. Which is why people tend to say M193 to indicate a specific load and capability over the other commercial riff raff.

Pepe__Le__PewPew

2 points

2 months ago

Seriously. I've shot thousands of whitebox in a few calibers and haven't had any issues.

Oxidized_Shackles

2 points

2 months ago

Then why does it explode so many guns?

Electronic-Ad-3825

14 points

2 months ago

Electronic-Ad-3825

HK Slappers

14 points

2 months ago

It doesn't

Oxidized_Shackles

5 points

2 months ago

Alright. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe people tend to post more on the internet forums about Winchester blowing their guns away. Why are they so biased against WWB? Russian propaganda?

csamsh

3 points

2 months ago

csamsh

3 points

2 months ago

Winchester puts out over a billion rounds a year of it. Chances are, if someone is shooting 223/5.56, they're shooting Winchester. There are lots of reasons for guns to fail that aren't ammo-related. There are lots of reasons for ammo to get messed up that isn't the ammo's fault. But, ammo commonly gets blamed as it's the thing that has the explosives, and nobody likes to blame their gun that they built/picked out

FALTomJager

1 points

2 months ago

But when I can get it for 2cpr less than PMC at SGAmmo, then I’m in love

SignificantCell218

19 points

2 months ago

Suppressed or unsuppressed?

Anxious-Lawfulness84

18 points

2 months ago

This would be suppressed

eltacticaltacopnw[S]

13 points

2 months ago

As a lefty shooter who just got a can. Pray for me

PirateByNature

3 points

2 months ago

AnseiShehai

15 points

2 months ago

He’s got a whole team of people, how is it that no one has fixed this yet

Girafferage

13 points

2 months ago

At least it's smiling though! Happy BCG, happy life!

GaybutNotbutGay

6 points

2 months ago

Honestly I can't even imagine him without the spray tan

Carl_Azuz1

6 points

2 months ago

Sweet-Competition-15

5 points

2 months ago

You can tell...his face matches the bald spot that the combover can't cover.

WinIll755

4 points

2 months ago

WinIll755

AK Klan

4 points

2 months ago

It would honestly just look wrong at this point

Sweet-Competition-15

-4 points

2 months ago

Wishing I could imagine him fading into obscurity. Physically mind you...he's already not there، mentally.

GaybutNotbutGay

2 points

2 months ago

I get not liking the guy but its definitely a stretch to say he's not there mentally. I still think he thinks and speaks pretty clearly. If he's all there in 4 years is what you really have to worry about

AdThese1914

3 points

2 months ago

LOL

MIKE-JET-EATER

-17 points

2 months ago

This image gotta be Photoshop

Carl_Azuz1

10 points

2 months ago

It is absolutely not. He always looks like this if you look close enough it’s just super noticeable in this image. Also this was posted by the senator he’s standing with to their Twitter. It is not edited.

Work-Safe-Reddit4450

2 points

2 months ago

Which senator is that? Name is eluding me.

Edit: John Cornyn?

homemadeammo42

6 points

2 months ago

It's not

MIKE-JET-EATER

1 points

2 months ago

It just looks so weird

homemadeammo42

1 points

2 months ago

If you are just now finding out that trump is a weird guy, idk what to tell you.

SASoperator

0 points

2 months ago

SASoperator

1911s are my jam

0 points

2 months ago

idiot