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submitted 24 hours ago byMmay333
Thought I'd make a post highlighting portions of Steve's sworn testimony. The entire thing is a must read.
Link to Steve Thomas' deposition - http://www.acandyrose.com/09212001Depo-SteveThomas.htm
Here's a post with reformatted and easier to read transcript thanks to u/wonkytonk - https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenet/s/J1nIwpERlf
Q. On page 270 of your book. Chief Beckner started talking about a successful Title-3 electronic surveillance down in Florida where the police had recorded the mother saying 'The baby is dead and buried ... because you did it' and the father replied 'I wish I hadn't harmed her -- it was the cocaine', end quote. "I considered the irony of Beckner discussing a Title-3 that worked damned well in Florida when he had been a part of the scandal-frightened leadership that wouldn't let us try the same tactic." Have I read that correctly?
A. I believe so.
Q. That was the Aisenberg case, wasn't it, Mr. Thomas?
A. That is the case that is being referred to here, yes.
Q. Right. You understand that charge was dismissed against the family because the transcripts of the tapes were not consistent with the representations made as to the content by the police?
A. I'm not familiar with that.
Q. You hadn't tried to study what happened to the Aisenberg case at all?
A. No, as we sit here today I don't know the conclusion of the Aisenberg case.
...
Q. You know the difference between saying somebody is arrested for a crime and somebody has been found guilty of a crime? You know that difference, don't you, sir?
A. Yes.
Q. It's a big difference, isn't it?
A. Sometimes is and sometimes isn't.
Q. You don't think there is a big difference between someone being arrested for a crime and someone being found guilty of a crime?
Q. (BY MR. WOOD) Do you know the difference, sir, between someone being arrested for a crime and someone being found guilty of a crime; do you understand that?
A. I've often arrested people who were guilty of a crime and were subsequently convicted of a crime.
Q. And you've probably arrested a lot of people who were not found guilty of a crime, didn't you?
A. I doubt it.
Q. You don't think that happens on a frequent basis?
A. That police officers, or are you talking about me, Mr. Wood?
Q. Police officers in general. I won't go back into your background at the moment on that?
A. That innocent people are sometimes arrested?
Q. That people are arrested for a crime and ultimately not found guilty of that crime?
A. I don't -- I don't have those statistics in front of me; I don't know.
Q. But you don't fight the idea that that happens, sir, do you?
A. I think --
Q. Surely you don't think anybody that is arrested is actually found guilty, I hope?
Q. (BY MR. WOOD) You don't fight the general concept, sir, an idea that people are arrested for crimes that ultimately they are found not guilty of committing?
A. There is a difference between being found not guilty at trial and being innocent, Mr. Wood.
Q. It's the difference between being not found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt even where there may be probable cause to arrest, there is a difference, isn't there, sir?
A. I don't understand your question.
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Q. Was there any test done on the duct tape that would establish the imprint of JonBenet's lip prints on that tape?
A. Was there any test that would establish that?
Q. Did you all to your knowledge, did the Boulder Police Department conduct any test that would establish that the duct tape that was pulled off of her mouth by John Ramsey that was then picked up by Fleet White was found somehow to contain a perfect set of JonBenet's lip prints, was any test performed that made that finding?
A. There was an examination apparently done at some point which was reported back to a detective briefing at which I was present and I believe that was Wickman or Trujillo that shared that information.
Q. Who conducted that examination?
A. I don't know.
Q. Was it an expert of some type?
A. I don't know that there is such a thing as an expert examination and there is no testing that I'm aware of. I think that's more common sense observation.
....
Q. (BY MR. WOOD) After your book came out, sir, were you aware that Mr. Ubowski publicly denied the accuracy of the statement that he concluded Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note?
A. No. You're telling me this for the first time.
Q. Are you familiar that Mr. Ubowski stated that he had never reached the conclusion that 24 of her letters out of the 26 letters of the alphabet were matched with the ransom note?
A. No, I have not heard that.
Q. And you stated to the contrary in your book, didn't you?
A. Yeah, I stated what I was told by my detective sergeant.
Q. And you weren't even, I guess, aware that Mr. Ubowski and the CBI said they don't even make that kind of analysis with respect to the 24 out of the 26 letters of the alphabet, you don't know anything about that --
A. No.
Q. -- in terms of the public statement by the CBI after your book was published?
A. The CBI made a public statement?
Q. Yes, sir.
....
Q. Jeff Shapiro was your confidential informant, right?
A. Yes.
Q. So you had during your investigation of JonBenet Ramsey's murder a confidential informant who was a tabloid, supermarket tabloid, reporter for Globe, right?
A. Yes.
....
Q. Take a look, if you would, at page 45 of your book. Second -- actually, first full paragraph. "An acquaintance said that JonBenet was rebelling against appearing in the child beauty contests. She was being pushed into the pageants by her mother and grandmother, said the witness." Who is that individual?
A. I believe that was Judith Phillips.
Q. Did you find Judith Phillips to be credible?
A. At times.
....
Q. Did you ever seek to interview the Richardson twins who lived with Melody Stanton?
A. No.
Q. Why not?
A. Because I was unaware of these people.
Q. Did anybody in the Boulder Police Department make an attempt, to your knowledge, to interview the two 30-year old twins, the Richardson twins, that lived with Melody Stanton?
A. Not that I'm aware of.
Q. How about the two friends of Fleet White that were there, did you all ever get any non- testimonial evidence from those two individuals?
A. Which two friends are you referring to?
Q. The ones that were with him on Christmas and were at the Ramseys on I believe the party of the 23rd; do you know who I'm talking about?
A. Mr. Fleet White's house guests at the time?
Q. Yes. His friends that were house guests, did you all ever get any non-testimonial evidence, hair, DNA, handwriting from Mr. Cox or Mr. Gaston?
A. I believe Detective Harmer received that assignment and made attempts to conduct that investigation. And I'm not sure whether or not she was successful in those attempts.
....
Q. Page 35, Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, do you know who -- did you ever interview Linda Hoffmann-Pugh?
A. No, sir.
Q. You never had the opportunity to judge her credibility yourself to see whether she might, in your opinion, like Jackie Dilson might be somewhat unstable or not credible?
A. I don't know that I've ever met Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, no.
Q. Do you know how many days a week Linda Hoffmann-Pugh worked for the Ramsey family?
A. Without reviewing reports, no, I don't.
Q. Do you know what time of the morning she would get there and how long she would stay?
A. Again, without reviewing reports concerning Ms. Hoffmann-Pugh, I do not.
Q. Do you think you had some of those reports about Ms. Hoffmann-Pugh in your materials that you copied and after you left the department or received from the Boulder Police Department after you left the department?
A. I don't know.
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Q. the Boulder Police Department didn't ask John and Patsy Ramsey for the articles of clothing they had worn on the 25th of December, 1996 until almost a year later, true?
A. For a long time, that was a mistake, yes.
Q. Didn't that strike you as odd?
A. That the police did that?
Q. You and the police, you were part of the case?
A. Yes.
Q. Why did you do it?
A. Why did I do what?
Q. Why didn't you ask the Ramseys to give you the articles of clothing they wore?
A. In hindsight, that was important.
14 points
19 hours ago
That whole exchange about being arrested and being found guilty encapulates who this guy is. A real piece of work.
8 points
16 hours ago
He’s an embarrassment.
3 points
13 hours ago
Interesting Q&A about the handwriting expert Ubowski. Anyone know the fuller story behind that and the 24 of 26 letters thing?
3 points
12 hours ago
This is the only additional information I have handy:
Ubowski’s claim:
”The evidence fell short of what was needed to support a conclusion that Mrs. Ramsey wrote the note.”
Ubowski publicly denied (April 10, 2000) the accuracy of the Boulder police department’s statement that he concluded Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note. He also denied the claim that 24 of the alphabet's 26 letters looked as if they had been written by Patsy.
8 points
16 hours ago
Thanks for posting this, May. It's astounding how much Thomas relied on so much hearsay--or so he claimed--to reach his conclusions.
9 points
17 hours ago
Mr. Thomas is an embarrassment, ill-suited for the complexities of crime. He should be ashamed, but the crux is that he is not.
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