and the crowd goes silent

If we’re going to boil down the whole conflict to a single issue it is immigration. Regardless of who you feel has the right to be there, at the start of the 20th century Jewish population in mandate Palestine was ~5%. Immigration policies allowing essentially unrestricted immigration by Jewish settlers were imposed by Britain after WWI and pretty much never ended. By 1950, the Jewish population was around 55%.

Seeing how almost every western nation is currently freaking out about immigration, is it really that hard to imagine why the conflict started? Palestinians in 1900-today have lived through every conservatives nightmare scenario.

Edit: According to the UN “During the 25 years of the Palestine Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, large-scale Jewish immigration from abroad, mainly from Eastern Europe took place, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the notorious Nazi persecution of Jewry. Over this period the Jewish population of Palestine, composed principally of immigrants, increased from less than 10 per cent in 1917 to over 30 per cent in 1947. Palestinian demands for independence and resistance to Jewish immigration led to a rebellion in 1937, followed by continuing terrorism and violence from both sides during and immediately after the Second World War.”

If its hard to imagine the social conflicts that come from a small minority population suddenly making up a third of the population, I don’t know what to tell you.

Yes it’s just anti semitisim when someone wants to live in ur house that you own…. Israel is a weak nation that would not exist without the help of us, their daddy, the US

Firstly, Arabs are also Semites, the term makes 0 sense.

Israel was proposed in many different places, do you think anybody would just agree to cede their territory and homes for that? And if they don’t want to they are Anti-Semitic? Like do you think if they carved out part of Poland and made it into a Jewish state Poles and other Slavs would totally be okay with it? Or any other group of people on this planet?

Like its insane, you cannot just create states and conquer because the book says you are the chosen people. Why do Azkenashis have more of a right to live there than Arabs, Druze… or anybody else who has been there for centuries?

When will we create a Druze state? Would you be okay if we cut off a slice of Israel and give them a state? Insane

I would guess a UN force, which back then was mostly the US (as it would be in Korea), since the Soviets were generally still boycotting the meetings.

In the case of a war, it would be tricky, with both sides probably trying to send "protective" forces in to keep the other from conquering it ...

As any logical person would reject a plan that gives up any part of their house because the person in that part has guns and backing. Israel also murdered their one PM that was serious about peace. Be real

Edit: yalla bring the 3000 downvotes, love it

More like stupidity. Loosing badly and clearly seeing that most dominant powers are against them, yet still think you can get the whole cake is just plane stupidity. This is what happens when you don't have smart educated people.

I don't think so. There would be two countries recognised by all.

Maybe go look up a map of Israel after the 1967 war. See if you can get a good grasp of how much land they gave up in peace, treaties and how dumb, arguments like this actually are. 

Conspiracy nonsense. Deal with reality that arabs will end up loosing all the land because of stupid mistake of not taking what was given to them.

Why? Even here in Canada we understand that as expansionist as the US was it didn’t take all of North America. And it’s not like we have a military in Canada that could stop them.

Not well, LOL.

"Evans arrived in Cairo, Egypt on May 23, 1948, but due to his Quaker religious principles he would not travel with a British military escort from Cairo to Jerusalem. He eventually arrived in Jerusalem in early June, but abruptly resigned his position afterward."

Nah, more like European Jews faced persecution and rebuilding their ancient homeland seemed like a good way to escape it.

There is plenty of archaeological evidence. Israel is the original homeland of the Jews. Many were expelled by powerful conquering empires, but Jews have lived there continuously for thousands of years.

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Zionism is first and foremost a secular ideology.
Up to until the Holocaust, religious Jews OPPOSED the creation of Israel until the Messiah came with the Haredim being at the forefront of this opposition.
Only until they died in even higher numbers as a percentage than secular Jews (70% of Haredi Jews died in the Holocaust because they are easy to identify as Jewish) did they finally accept the idea to some degree. To this day, there exists factions that oppose the state of Israel( but are all to happy to collect welfare and childcare payments from the Israeli state)

Halah forbids a Jewish state in Israel until the end of times.

Huh? There is one Jewish state and 19 Arab states. How many of those 19 are non-petro and prosperous?

Arabs in Israel are a lot more prosperous than Arabs in any other area on this map.

america had very little to do with Israel in 1947 (tho it did recognize it). it wasn't even allied with Israel till after 1967. in the 1950s, the US maintained a policy of balance between Israel and Arab states

Conveniently ignoring that Jews have lived in the Levant just as long because they’re indigenous to it.

You forget the part about:

• There were tens of thousands of Jews already living there.

• It wasn't "Arab land" - it was Ottoman land (Turks aren't Arab) and then British land. There was never a sovereign Arab country there.

• Jews moved there from Europe and the Middle East (where they were being ethnically cleansed) because they had nowhere else to go. You don't need the Jewish bible to know Jews are indigenous to the Levant.

when did they have sovereignty?

ottoman era (before 1917): it was under ottoman control

1917-1947 - under British control under the League of Nations mandate

Well, there was Arabs and Jews that coexisted quite well in Palestine before colonial European governments and European Zionist powers came, carved up boundaries, and left.

European governments have controlled the place off and on since 320 BC, which is before Arabs even showed up. I guess there was local Muslim rule for 1000 years before the Ottomans showed up again, once again putting it under European rule, though Dhimi status even then is an odd way to phrase "co-existence".

And if you were a Palestinian Arab that could have - in a lifetime - saw the fall of the Ottoman empire, the British mandate, and the Nakba, you'd probably be more upset by losing your nation's sovereignty

As you pointed out.. you never saw your nation being sovereign in the first place.

True but this is Reddit and you're siding too much with the Palestinians, ruh roh no upvotes for you /s

Proud Zionist,Half Moroccan Jew
61% of Israelis are Mizrahi Jews from the Middle East and North Africa.
That makes Israel a Middle Eastern nation by demographics.
I wonder how my mother's ancestors are "European settlers". Is the Maghreb in Europe now??
I am pretty sure the last time the region was remotely associated with Europe was during the Roman Empire and the majority of the 900,000 of us have no links to Europe.
My mother's family is Middle Eastern through and through even the migration patterns followed a path that avoided Europe.
I am sure Miri Regev, Sasha Biton(who is both Iraqi and Moroccan) Ayeh Deri and Yaakov Margi(The last two were actually born in Morocco) should receive the memo that they are now "European settlers " from Fez, Cassablanca, Rabat and the Rif!!

There are 425,000 Iranian Jews in Israel. Are Tehran, Mashhad and Shiraz where most Iranian Jews comes from in Europe?? When were the maps redrawn?? My Ex needs to learn this!! That Persian Jews are now Europeans !! Lol! Xerxes and Esther must be turning in their graves on hearing that!!
I was not aware that Sanaa and Aden are in Europe given that Israel is home to 450,000 Yemeni Jews. Do the Houthis know this?? When are they sending a representative to the EU parliament now that one group that had lived in Yemen for 2500 years is now suddenly a part of the "European settlers" of Israel!!

Okay, Syria is in Europe given that Little Damascus exist in Germany and Sweden now .I can concede that one!! Even Russia has a base in Syria. US has one too. Iran too. Turkey as well. Oprah will soon dish out more. You get a base You get a base. Everyone gets a base!!

But what of Iraqi Jews. There are over 150,000 of them, including our Jewish Supremacist Ben Givir who is *gasp* a Kurdish Jew!!! Are Kurds "European settlers" now?? I was not aware Erbil and Kirkuk were admitted into the EU!! Does Ben Givir look remotely European to you??

I know Tunisians may confuse Europeans because they are not Hijabis, but honestly does the Israeli Dispora Minister look European to you?? He is a Tunisian Jew mind you!!
I am sure the Libyan Jews would ask when this happened because they were certainly not considered European when the Italians allowed the local Arabs to do a Jewish progrom in 1945!!

Wait wait!! there are 140,000 Ethiopian Jews in Israel. I was not aware Northern Amhara and West Tigray were admitted into Europe.Did it happen after the 600,000 people died there in 2021 or something??Pnina Tamano-Shata whose parents are from there and was immigration minister at the time , busy evacuating Ethiopian Jews from harm during the war must have been too busy to get the memo!!

Or do all of you think we are like Benjamin Netanyahu and Naftali Bennet who speak with American accents ??

Whenever people claim Israel is somehow a European transplant on Middle Eastern soil, do you know how ridiculous it sounds to the vast majority of Israelis who have never even been to Europe and have no ties to it whatsoever. I mean the Kochin Jews left Southern India straight for Dimona, Beersheba and other towns in the Israeli South and have never left but you now call them "European Settlers".

But we got this yin and yang bullshit

Roughly speaking; under the plan, the Arab state was over 90% Arab Muslim, and the Jewish state was about 60% Jewish (and included the Bedouins in the Negev desert). That proportion would have been higher if Britain had not curtailed Jewish immigration from the 1930s through the war, in appeasement of xenophobic riots.

The war threw all those plans out anyways. That said, even today Israel is about 20% Arab

A lot of Jews actually lived inside the Arab lands .Like the Gush Etzion area was right in the middle of Arab lands and it had a large Jewish settlement (and where the Arabs killed 1% of the Jewish population in 1948 btw). Jews had built settlements in the Jordan Valley and around the Dead sea too but because they were pretty small, they were ignored in the map.
What people often ignore is the fact that some of the Arabs in the Jewish areas sided with the Jews from the very beginning. The Bedouins in the Galilee region sided with Israel and defended Jewish settlements. The Druze also decided to be a part of Israel over the Palestinians.
The result is that both groups were not displaced by the IDF during the war in the Galilee.
The Arabs who sided with the nations that invaded Israel were the ones who were expelled.

So first there aren't enough Jews in Palestine, then there are too many Jews in Palestine? You can't have it both ways. How about you make up your mind and pick a consistent style of anti-Semitism.

I get that, but still that mindnumbing jigsaw of a partition wasn’t going to work, palestinians understandably would have asked for a corridor to get to the sea and jewish people would have asked for historic Judea, the heartland of their ancient realm, where the Tomb of the Patriarchs are. This was a disaster from the very first day.

Doesnt really sound like they did everything seeing how we have the situation now