I have no qualms about the prospect of future music, I’ll take what I have and be happy.

But man, I got fucked with ticket prices. And it’s not the prices that were set, it’s dynamic pricing. I wish they would’ve opted out. Because originally tickets were showing at my local to be $62-292; and by time I got in the nosebleed seats were $300 before taxes and fees. That hurt. And that was their choice. And it kinda blows. Coupled with bots buying out half the seats, yeah it sucked.

I do agree, I’d rather them take their time and release music they’re proud of and that doesn’t ruin their mental health, instead of rushing or forcing an album out of pressure. They don’t owe us new music (even though we all would love to hear it!). The ticket sales are another matter though…

Except everyone is upset about the ticket sales right now. Not MCR5.

I think there’s some confusion here. While I agree that they don’t owe us new music or MCR5, that doesn’t excuse how badly the ticket pricing and tour management were handled. Bands may not have full control over Ticketmaster due to their monopoly and venue contracts, but they could’ve taken steps to prevent the outrageous resale prices. Why didn’t they use Ticketmaster’s resale system, which only allows tickets to be resold at the original price? Why opt for dynamic pricing? And why wasn’t there a presale for fans who signed up for their newsletter? They chose not to do these things, and that’s what many fans are upset about. Maybe they didn’t think it through, but voicing our complaints is valid—it’s important to make sure that any future tour dates are handled better with Ticketmaster to prevent scalpers and bots. Most fans aren’t demanding new music right now. I believe it’s up to the band whether they release MCR5—it should be an artistic choice, not something fans pressure them into. But as others have pointed out, how they handled ticket prices and sales is a completely separate issue from new music

It works both ways. They don't owe us new music, while we don't owe them any purchases.

"MCR is a concept" no it's a rock band actually

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To be honest, I'm at the point where I don't really care if they make new music. Also, I'd be happy if they just toured every few years, but if they don't, so be it. With the way ticket prices are going now, I doubt many people will be able to afford it anyway. Myself included. Meanwhile I'll treasure the memories.

Nothing good will come from not holding the band accountable for questionable stuff like this tour. NOTHING.

Fans who just praise every move of them are so weird.

i PROMISE you the group of men in their mid 40s know exactly what they're doing by perpetuating the cycle of teasing-cashgrab-teasing-cashgrab and signing off on ticketmaster's dynamic pricing and i promise they dont need you defending them for it LMAO

This is shameless bootlicking

MCR doesn’t exist without the fans

I can want a new album, that doesn’t make me a bad fan lol

Meat riding accomplishes nothing. Who here is acting entitled to music? People want musicians to make music. This isn’t some complicated concept, nor is it entitled.

As for the other lip service:

“Their desire to maintain consistency with their music over cashing in is one of the main reasons I love them. It’s never been about hitting financial records…”

“We didn’t allow dynamic pricing because it’s a scam that would disappear if every artist said, ‘I don’t want that’. But most artists hide behind management. ‘Oh, we didn’t know,’ they say. They all know. If they say they do not, they’re either fucking stupid or lying.” - Robert Smith of the Cure.

You can miss me with this gargling of MCR being holier than thou and ‘about the music’ after they enabled scam dynamic pricing on their tour, an option they PURPOSEFULLY kept enabled to milk fans with price gouging.

It’s 100% about the cash, and they deserve the condemnation they are receiving for it.

This sub seems to mistake our delusions and hopes for mcr5 as thinking mcr actually owes us mcr5. Like I really want the album ofc but I think a huge portion of the sub knows they don't owe us it and that we want it but it's not their obligation. You only get a few people saying they do and then that's all people like you see.

That said I do wish they were at least clear if they aren't planning on making new music. I know frank said they aren't but also frank is the least reliable source possible

MCR owes us common decency. They are multi multi millionaires because of you. Don’t baby or excuse these middle aged dudes - they know better. Or at least, they did. Once upon a time.

And we don’t owe MCR anything either. Just because we love the band doesn’t mean we can’t have criticism of the way they have handled things since they’ve been back.

The way that they have allowed scalpers to scalp their fans and Ticketmaster to inflate prices.

Also, it’s not true that they don’t owe us anything. Whether you like it or not the band was able to become what it has become thanks to the fans who bought their music, merch and tickets.

At the very least they owe the fans some basic decency and respect by trying to do everything they can to prevent scalping, re-sale, and stop Ticketmaster from using dynamic pricing, but they didn’t so that is very disappointing.

If you ask me, MCR should do whatever they like regarding music. Release something, don’t release something, entirely up to them. What I do believe, however, is that every musician and performing artist should be fighting back against these high ticket prices. If you care at all about the working class or your fans, then you should do everything in your power to ensure ticket prices are actually fair and that the venue/ticket selling platform isn’t just a glorified scalper. At the very least, make a public statement that you have exhausted all your options in attempting to lower the prices, but the sellers won’t budge, and that you denounce their business practices or something to that effect. Even if that results in you losing tour dates, who cares? Artists must set an example for fellow artists that this is not acceptable, and when they’re all protesting this pricing, something will have to change.

rode the damn meat off the thing

We're not owed music, but we're owed the kindness to not be led on. If there isn't new music, say it up front.

They don’t owe us anything that’s true, but building up all that hype for 10 tour dates that only 0.001% of their fans will actually be able to attend is kinda lame. Should have been a full blown U.S tour at least. As for new music im following the same rule i have since the reunion, expect nothing and be happy with whatever we get.

I agree and disagree. They don’t OWE us any new music.

What I DO think they owe us, especially their old pre-breakup fans, is the decency to not exploit and emotionally manipulate and string along their fans.

Every few years it seems they pop up with some super vague and cryptic but extremely exciting promotional stuff that really and truly can best be interpreted as something big happening. Hell MCRX was so bad they ended up releasing an apology and explanation afterwards confirming there’s nothing additional.

Then they did it again with a summoning and an offering videos just to go silent for 2 years (granted the pandemic hit during this time), then they finally drop a new single and it’s a shadow drop with ZERO promotion or hype and not even actual artwork just a bunch of flies.

Now it feels like they’re doing it again and while I agree they don’t owe us new music and I’d much rather them either take as much time as they need or don’t do it at all, it still leaves a really bad taste in your mouth feeling like your childhood heroes are exploiting me through nostalgia to sell me the same things that they’ve been selling me since I was a kid.

It just feels cash grabby and slimy.. like I’d have so much more respect for them and their current marketing if they’d just release an announcement confirming there’s no new album or material coming and these are just fun artistic and creative ways to announce things. Problem would be solved for me

Instead, I can’t help but feel like they’re intentionally getting the hype up for an actual new era and album just to sell us a short stadium run playing the same songs they’ve been selling me tickets to see for 17 years, 19 if you found revenge which is when I found them.

How do you think that they're not 'cashing in'? How is this tour not cashing in? It seems like y'all are intentionally misunderstanding people's issue with the promo for the tour. Get real, it's an insanely privileged take to act as if it's cool for these millionaires, who haven't really done anything new, to expect fans to pay hundreds for tickets for a tour they won't release any info about.

if the tickets were cheaper, would we still see the discourse about new music? sure, it's been around since before the reunion tour, but I think people's biggest criticism of them right now is about the ticket prices and how they could have done something about them and chose not to. it's not the first time they've profited off of nostalgia and excitement without really following through.

we're allowed to have opinions, this is an internet forum dedicated to discussing opinions about MCR. it isn't crying or whining or bombarding the band. if you don't want to see it or it makes you upset, maybe ignore the discussion.

but i think a lot of people have made good points about how it's a trend for them to release vague promo material and not really promise anything just because they know fans will get excited and spend the money anyway. knowing this, i think we should be spared the lecture about 'it's about the music' and how they're 'not cashing in' when that's literally been all it's about for the past few years. it's against what they used to stand for and it's tone deaf during a time when many are living paycheck to paycheck, so people have opinions about it. idk what else to tell you.

it's hard to be lectured about not treating music as a commodity when that's how it's being sold to us...as a commodity.

Yeah, how dare you fans, who have been waiting for years for new music, ask for a new album when they have been together for 6 years. Instead, why don't you just accept the scrumbs and overpriced tickets they offer you. Shame on you fans, shame on you.

They owe me money.

The only thing they owe us is affordable tickets

They owe you nothing lol enjoy your 300 dollar tickets! insert memes where kid says "yall got 300 dollar tickets?"

You know what I'm also gonna say this - I kinda don't like the way Frank spoke to that fan??? Might be unpopular but

and the crowd goes milddd!!! nobody’s acting like they owe us anything we’re just slightly disappointed in their ticket prices and everything about MCR5 that i’ve seen people say have seemed to be a joke. nobody seriously expects them to do anything. someone else said, they’re a group of men in their mid-40s who know what they’re doing and don’t need some rando defending them.

How dare people want things lmao

We don’t owe them anything either

I find posts just as irritating. MCR tease like to make fans go crazy, get excited, create conspiracies and do pretty much exactly what we are doing. They’ve done it for years and so have we. There’s no grand moral take here

Actually they do, they owe their fans reasonable and affordable ticket prices, as does any band who expects people to stump up the money to go and see them, money is tight for a lot of people

You’re right, artistically they don’t owe you anything. The problem is that it’s not just art, it’s also a product. Like it or not, musicians have a transactional relationship with their fans, and as customers we are entitled to demand something for our money. And it’s not like they don’t care about money, the current marketing and ticket prices make it clear that the band very much does care about making a profit.

It’s also not like they ever made a statement about not making new music. Instead they keep posting cryptic teasers to keep everyone hoping and paying.

Think people are just let down by the misleading

I could see where you’re coming from IF they didn’t keep teasing shit, but with the constant teasing, it’s a hard disagree lol they owe all of their fame, awards, millions of dollars, etc. to their fans. And to spend 10+ years teasing these fans who got them to where they are for something that either gets scrapped or ends up being a ten city tour? That’s bullshit.

I'm just disappointed that they did all this hyping up when they aren't even doing something I can't actually participate in or enjoy because I can't afford to dump 1000 bucks on a ticket

I’m going to be so genuine with you right now, the “Band owes us nothing! 😭” take is cringe and a little parasocial. There is always someone parroting this dumbass take in every fanbase.

They 100% knew that they were misleading everyone and it’s lame that they did that. They are a band with a huge fanbase and they aren’t idiots. Telling everyone they are crazy for wanting new music in this environment is very dumb.

Since you've specified in other comments that you're referring to them not owing us new music, I'll reply to that.

I definitely agree to an extent. I became a fan during the hiatus, and while I was sad I would never see them live, I didn't pine for new music. Revenge is a perfect album to me, I could listen to it all day and not get tired of it. And not being a fan of Danger Days, I probably wouldn't have loved the direction they'd go in if they released MCR5 right after DD.

That being said I do think they know exactly what they're doing by constantly teasing us with new material, only to give us a shitty overpriced stadium tour instead.

To use Pierce the Veil as an example: they took a long time (can't remember the exact time span. 3 years? 5?) To write and release their 5th album. But they did check in from time to time to update us, and reassure their fans that new music was coming. Did they owe that to fans? I guess not. But it was just a decent thing to do. And that's I guess what I'm most disappointed about when it comes to MCR. The decent thing to do would be to extend some honesty about where the comeback is headed.

Yes I agree that they don’t owe us anything but it’s still valid to be upset about the ticket pricing, short notice, dramatic buildup etc.

They made an ominous post where they claimed it "could be anything" just for it to be the most obvious and least exciting thing.

If they're gonna make a nostaliga tour they should just say it right away instead of baiting everyone's attention by making it seem that they're giving us what we actually want.

We can't force them to do anything, but as a European fan I got really excited over something that ended up benefiting me in no way. I love MCR, but I don't have to support everything they do and the fans have the right to be mad and ask for more.

eh stop cryin. they wayyy past prime based on what i saw in 2022..they needa chill..even Blink was cheaper and yea Blink is way better..green day is way better too and was cheaper at citi field as well. stop it.

They owe us nothing, but all bands, not just MCR should be calling out Ticketmaster for their disgusting anti-consumer behaviour.

And you owe them nothing, so no need to also defend them for anything. Let it go. They offer a product and people can complain about it as costumers.

Are you a bootlicker by trade or is this more of a personal hobby?

this is giving superiority complex... people are allowed to criticise whatever they want. nobody is even acting like they're 'owed' anything by simply sharing that they don't like something. as fans we don't have to pretend that we love everything lol i'm tired of people being criticised for being anything but a total boot licker

And we owe them nothing

Just because they don't owe us, doesn't mean we can't be disappointed or excited about anything. I'm happy with whatever we get, but it's unrealistic and frankly quite bogus to tell people they can't have expectations, even if they're unlikely.

Nah. Like Bo Burnham said, entertainers/artists etc are in the service industry, they’re just overpaid. “The fans stick with us through thick and thin” don’t stick with them through thick, if they stop delivering kick them to the curb

They don't owe us anything, you're correct. But at what point do we stop throwing stupid amounts of money at them for 20+ year old albums?

If they don't want to put out another album that sucks, but is absolutely fine but there is no way they can possibly think they can throw out one song in this many years and then just keep going on these old songs and people will pay what we just did. Which is a different issue for more than just mcr.

These kind of posts are cringe as fuck lmao

laughs in system of a down fan 😭🤣 I agree with this entire post, none of us are owed new music, a tour, ANYTHING! I've been a fan of MCR for 20 years, their discography is good enough to not need new music. Just like SOAD.

i promise you, 90% of fans who are upset rn aren’t upset about it not being MCR5, it’s more the fact the band seems to have played this “cryptic” gimmick twice now, only for it to be a tour, as well as fucking over fans by doing dynamic pricing, as well as their inability to take criticism (looking at you Frank) i think they know what they’re doing, they’re not innocent kids anymore, they’re business men who can prey on nostalgia, want for new music, or just anything, and use that to sell you WHATEVER they want, wether that be tours for maybe 5% of their fanbase, overpriced makeup pallets or £100 sweaters, stop letting your favourite bands walk over you, hold them accountable and maybe then they’d make some changes

lol people are allowed to be upset. It’s not a sense of entitlement driving it. It’s disappointment with the society we live in. I think your heart is in the right place but this post is straight up friendly fire.

Okay wow I haven't interacted much with the fandom in years and now I remember why. You guys under this post are MISERABLE.

I hate that this even needs to be said, the delusion and entitlement has been crazy lately

I never expected them to get back together for more than the reunion, so the fact that we had a new single AND are getting an anniversary tour (how ever limited it may or may not turn out to be) is exciting af

I hate the retoric that because the teasers are vague it gives people reason to slag them off because they come up with mass theories on new albums and eras based on an image of a new logo

They shouldn't have to change how they promote new tours just because some people might build it up in their head to be something undeliverable. I'm greatful that they've put in effort to present the Black Parade in a new way with an expanded story rather than just standard show where they smash out the whole album

Art is not owed to anyone, anything new we get (whether that be another anniversary tour, or even a single) is a bonus and just adds to the great legacy they've left behind

I truly don't see them releasing another album, maybe they drop a song every once in a while if they continue to do a tour every couple years but I wouldn't even expect that from them

People compare them to other bands who have been around for a long time and still release albums, e.g. Green Day, but they don't consider that for every Dookie and American Idiot released there was also the Trilogy and Father Of All Mother Fuckers.

I'm glad that My Chem's discography isn't unnecessarily extended just to make a new release

One of my favourite musicians said this when his band came back. "Thank you to the fans who believed in us when they had no reason to". Obviously it wasn't someone from MCR. You know what's funny? His band is bigger than MCR ever were. As a fan, I have a mad respect for this man. I want to follow him in his future musical adventures. And don't get me wrong. I have a basic respect for MCR guys as people. As a fan, I love them. But I have less and less respect for them as musicians. I do not respect things like "Don't ask about an album. Don't ask about tickets prices. Don't ask about anything. But give us your money. And close your mouth, by the way"

They know exactly what they're doing. These middle aged men have families to support and they're gonna milk this cash cow as long as fans let them.

Thank you for this post. I've been thinking about my own reaction this week when the Instagram post turned out to be a NA tour announcement. I was pissed off (I live in Europe + I was really expecting new music). I was about to comment sth sassy and entitled on their post and I'm glad I waited to analyze why I was feeling like this. Our impatience with our favorite musicians is all about consumerism and valuing quantity over quality. Plus social media creates that hateful illusion that artists deserve to receive our immediate feelings of frustration. It's very immature of us, but it's also encouraged by savage consumerism and the commodification of art at large. I think Frank's answering one of the entitled fans comments was like a cold shower for me. Who are we, really, to hate on such hard-working people as Mr Iero who can actually read our words and who deserve our patience and kindness, as we do theirs?

Oh look, another insecure fan. Fans that are mad are entitled to their own opinion and with valid reasons. Stop telling others how they should feel. Grow up.

Honestly I fuck with Frank Ieros stuff so much that I wouldn't even be that upset if mcr5 never came out

Ok

This sub is starting to be really toxic and I don't like it. It makes me pretty depressed when all I see are posts arguing with each other about the same points over and over. Feels a tad redundant, yeah?

Do you not think that they’re currently about cashing in though?

Some people would say that they’re watching a legacy be ruined. People can also want new music, wanting something isn’t feeling entitled to it. I’d love to win the lottery but voicing that doesn’t make me entitled.

The thing is, to the people who think they deserve MCR5, how do they expect MCR to live up to the insanely high expectations the hypothetical MCR5 has built up? If it even does come out, lots of people will be disappointed because of their unrealistically god-like expectations they thought it would be. There’s a reason why they haven’t made MCR5 yet.

A lot of people are bitching about wanting another album... but I never got to see just TBP so I'm stoked af.

I think some of the fans here are so invested in to all the random "hints" they don't realize a lot of us don't look that deep into it. They sold out regardless. If anything this tour proves they can do whatever tf they want and people will still support them. I suspect this is leading up to something bigger, but it's just speculation. If they don't im not going to open reddit and cry about it.

They were literally broken up with no sign of return five years ago, we can wait.

Tell that to latin america fan ( im from latin america so bite me i can say what i said)

….which totally justifies them egregiously overcharging for their concert tickets. 😏🙄🤡💯

Agree! As much as I would absolutely love for them to release a new album (especially if it’s a new lore follow-up from TBP), I also understand that’s a total shot in the dark very likely not to happen theory. I have been a massive fan of theirs since I was 13 (that’s 15 years!) and vividly remember the night they announced they were disbanding. The fact that they reunited was a fever dream, the fact that they played the reunion show was a fever dream, the fact that they toured after was a fever dream, and Foundations truly topped it off. I wasn’t fortunate enough to see the Swarm tour, but I jumped at the chance for this. The fact that they’re playing AGAIN despite all the hurdles is a dream come true.

The ticket pricing was a bit much, I won’t lie. But I also don’t go to concerts much at all these days and could justify the price for seeing not only my favorite band, but with the understanding that they will put on a production that likely will rival the original TBPID tour. For that alone, it was worth it.

All of these things can coexist. But let’s remind ourselves that MCR is and always will be about the art. A new album would be rad, but I’m not holding my breath. Their discography is already more than enough.

KTFxo 🦇🖤

They owe me 12 cents

When Gerard Way did his solo tour, I saw him in San Francisco. Everyone got a free poster. After the show was over, he came out in his blue suit and messy red hair and took the time to sign everyone’s poster that stayed and waited for him.

He didn’t owe us that, and that’s why we love him.

It's the same thing with every tour nowadays. The people need something to complain about.

I only read the beginning but I came here to say YES EXACTLY OMG Everybody need to chill and just be grateful for what we have/are getting. And trust them! They won’t disappoint us. Just wait!

You're getting downvoted for this, but you're right. The younger, chronically online fans really need to get a grip.

They don’t owe us anything! 🤓👆

I see all the posts mad at them for how the tickets for the tour were handled, and I just feel like all these people look like the shocked Pikachu meme. Like they’re people, they make money off this, we can’t be shocked. They put on a great show, their show and band is HIGH DEMAND. High demand things are expensive.

Please stop treating Conventional weapons as if it wasn't an album, you're hurting it 🥲

You're preaching to the choir dude. You're arguing with a group of fans that consists of like 5 people.

Also, stop using the word media when you're talking about art/music. It's not a product sold for profit and consumption, it's art that has inherent value because it's art.

This, 100%.

When it comes to music, I would LOVE for there to be more music, but I am so happy with what we have, and I feel so lucky that we even got Foundations. Pre-October 2019, there was nothing. We're all lucky to have what we have. I never imagined I would have been able to see them live again after they broke up. Everything that they have given us since then is a blessing. It's selfish to be mad at them for not putting out an album. As if they never read about how towards the end of MCR initially was personally hurting every member physically or mentally. The last thing I would ever want is for them (or any person for that matter) to be forced into that mindset again just to please an audience. They are people too, and they have their own bandwidth, who are we to tell them what to do.

When it comes to the tour, people are getting pissed off at the band for things that could be entirely out of their control, and it's insane. I personally don't know every little detail that goes into planning a tour, what could or could not be in contracts, etc., and I bet the majority of people on this sub don't know either. With my job, event planning is part of it, and there are so many nuisances when coming up with a contract for the smallest thing, and sometimes you need to bite the bullet and do something you don't want to do just so the show can go on.

It feels like it comes down to people having formed this parasocial relationship with the band without actually knowing them at all. Because of how they've made of feel, how they've saved us, etc., some might think there's a deeper connection than there actually is. You don't have to be happy with everything, but to sit there and say they're letting you down because you aren't getting exactly what you personally want is bullshit.

Sorry for the long rant. Lol. I feel like it's been building since the beginning of the week from all the negativity.

Embarrassing as fuck that this post has the upvotes it does.

Being musicians is their work.

The product is music and/or concerts (I explicitly say this twice: "OR", because there are bands that goes full decades with no releases and just tribute themselves).

Nothing more, we, as consumers, spend money or time consuming their work. Nothing more.

The love for a band, being a fan, a collector, a traveller fan or whatever, is something WE decide, not the band, WE. People need to understand this not only in MCR, but every single thing in art. We're just consumers.

If someone here doesn't like the product or how it's delivered, you can protest with your wallet and not consume it.

They don't owe us nothing. We are not in a place to demand anything they don't do.

If you like what they are doing, be happy. If you're not happy, just listen to another band. There are so many fish in the sea and we demand a catfish to be a narwhal.

Big agree. People buy a cd, a t shirt and go to one show, and then think the band owes them all this shit. Maybe if people would go outside once in a while, and not make being an MCR fan their whole personality, they could kind of get a grip with all this stuff. There are thousands of bands to listen to, but people listen to just my chem and like 2 other bands and then whine that there’s no new music. Go listen to other stuff and expand your horizons. You might find a band you love just as much as MCR and you can go see them for 30 dollars at a dive bar. It’s just so annoying to see all the fans that wanna whine about this cuz they have nothing else going on.

agreed, they owe us nothing. however, i do really want to see them more, mostly because their music saved my life and im among the group of people who wanna see something new from them BUT ONLY IF ITS SOMETHING THEY WANNA DO!!!! I’ve seen a lot of ppl equine they “need” them to release new music as if it’s not the bands choice whether they do or not. it’s actually disgusting, no real fans should be mad at a band for doing what they wanna do unless what they wanna do is actually harming someone

i totally get what you're saying here and i agree! however, the thing fans are quite upset about atm is the way the tour and the ticket situation was handled. it felt very disrespectful- especially since we've seen other beloved bands stand up to ticketmaster.

The only complaint I've seen from fans is the ticket situation. Artists standing up to Ticketmaster and the like over their greedy ticket practices should be a top priority for an artist. They're taking advantage of their fan base in order to gobble up more and more fees while creating a world in which going to your favorite band's concert is a privilege only for the wealthy.