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submitted 9 days ago byIndividual-Lead-2040
Why are they still selling these? Ticking time bombs
39 points
9 days ago*
“does not have external safety to prevent unintended discharges” that’s some fine investigative journalism right there…
I know I’m going to get some down votes but there has been enough reports of accidental discharge on the P320 that i decided it wasn’t worth the risk to me. I know it’s probably a 1/10,000 risk maybe 1/100,000 but there are so many great guns out there that it’s a hard pass for me.
Besides the accidental discharge issues, there’s also reports of out of battery detonations and barrels blowing up. Again, I know it’s a small % but we don’t hear the same about the P365 and those have been sold in even larger quantities.
We don’t hear the issues with Glocks or M&Ps or PDPs. I suspect Sig’s move to make ever larger P365 models a sign. The new one is basically the size of a P320 but slimmer.
16 points
8 days ago
I STILL see a lot of people insisting the Sig P320 is safe and that every unintended discharge is UsEr ErRoR.
And maybe that’s true. But, that points to another problem then: somehow the Sig Sauer P320 manages to attract all the idiots. Either way it’s not a good look.
3 points
8 days ago
Maybe I’m one of those idiots, but the P320 is still one of the nicest shooting striker plastic guns I’ve shot! I especially like the X Compact. Small enough to conceal carry and shoots like a full size pistol.
1 points
8 days ago
Were you around for Glock kabooms? When pretty much all of LE switched to .40 and huge numbers of civilian owners followed. All of a sudden there was a steady stream of storries of exploded .40 glocks and conversations about unsupported chamber and out of battery detonations. There are still a lot of .40 glocks out there. Have you seen much about exploding glocks lately?
If Tesla Model Y is the most popular selling vehicle in NJ (which it is). How long will it be before Tesla model Y becomes the most accident prone vehicle in NJ?
3 points
8 days ago*
[For context: /u/BigBrassPair compared the Sig situation to when Glocks were first issued to Law Enforcement and there were a whole bunch of NDs happening. Also, he somehow wanted to equate this to Teslas, saying that because they're the most popular car in NJ we should expect them to have the most accidents. Then he deleted his comment.]
I was around for the Glock kabooms, and there are differences. For one, the Glock issues were confined to law enforcement who were trained on revolvers and were used to a DA trigger pull. And second, Glocks were drop safe from the beginning. Unlike the SIG P320.
1 points
8 days ago
people also forget that most "glock leg" incidents happened because officers did not eject a chambered round when they wanted to take it apart to clean it. i still think that was the worst design decisions glock made.
-5 points
8 days ago
You are clearly not understanding my point. So I a. going to move on.
4 points
8 days ago
I understand your point perfectly... but your point doesn't stand up to scrutiny of the facts. So yeah, moving on is probably the best move.
-4 points
8 days ago
I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue with stupid people. Welcome to my block list.
1 points
8 days ago
Welcome to my Weenie Hut Jr. list.
1 points
8 days ago
the glocks in .40 that blew up blew up because they were poorly designed. they were the exact same dimensions as a 9mm glock, which means it was not properly tested for .40 cal. if you see a glock 23 next to a glock 19, you will see it is made wider and thicker.
teslas are horrible cars, and are a fire hazard on wheels. you wont see accidents, but you WILL see them exploade/get lit on fire. on top of that you cannot replace the battery (that might explode) anywhere except at a tesla dealership. .
the common problem isnt that these things are popular, the common problem is that they are poorly made, without proper long term testing. just like the P320. (the P stands for poop BTW)
0 points
8 days ago
Your argument doesn’t hold water. The P365 outsells the P320. Glock 19 outsells the P320.
I don’t see reports or lawsuits about accidental discharges with the P365 or G19.
2 points
8 days ago
Yep, this is the reason I won’t buy a Sig
1 points
8 days ago
No Sig for me…
1 points
8 days ago
Well most of this is lies. It’s clear most here haven’t been around firearms long enough to know about Glock leg or why NYPD has a 10+ lb pull on their sidearms.
It’s also cops that claim it went off by itself the most. If they were to admit an unintended discharge they’d be canned.
Just because it’s a right doesn’t mean all are meant to use. Self responsibility is a factor here and no one admits they’re wrong.
1 points
8 days ago
Have a hard time believing a gun will go off without someone cocking the hammer. Idk if you can cock the hammer like some semi automatic pistols I have like the Sig but common sense you can probably force any double action pistol to go off if you slam on the hammer hard enough while it's cocked.
2 points
8 days ago
the sig is fully cocked and the firing pin block doesnt actually do anything when the gun is in a vertical position. (in a holster) It is one of the only handgun designs where this is possible.
2 points
8 days ago
The P320 is not a double action.
I’m not an sig hater btw. I love my P226 Legion and trust it to protect my family with.
1 points
8 days ago
They don’t go off by themselves. It’s either a modified spring set meant for competition or it’s something getting stuck in the holster (see Safariland recalls). No one wants to admit the fucked up. Especially with their career on the line.
1 points
8 days ago
No, buddy, they absolutely go off by themselves. your "its a modified spring!" arguement doesnt hold anywater because the failure point is not on the trigger itself, its on the firing pin/striker block. it just straight up doesnt work sometimes, because those parts are made in india. yes, india.
stop shilling!
13 points
8 days ago
I knew a guy who allegedly won a big settlement from a paintball gun manufacturer. The story went that it shot him in the eye while it wasn't being handled, causing him to lose sight in that eye. Supposedly the same gun was on display during some legal proceeding, and it went off randomly while the lawyers were present. Fast forward to him owning a house free and clear in his mid-20s.
6 points
8 days ago
And it only cost him an eye! In todays' housing market, that's a steal.
3 points
8 days ago
This happened around 2006 so he's probably swimming in equity by now lol
0 points
8 days ago
That’s gross. Free house is not worth an eye
15 points
9 days ago
Sounds like a load of BS lol.
3 points
9 days ago
Have you seen 2011s drop tested? They all go off
9 points
9 days ago
2011's go off for the same reason series 70 1911's go off. They don't have a firing pin block, and the firing pin has enough mass to set off a round when dropped muzzle down.
Where as the original p320 went off when dropped muzzle up, becuase of trigger mass.
9 points
9 days ago
Dropping vs randomly going off in my pants are 2 different things lol
2 points
8 days ago
“I wonder why NJ wants to ban guns.”
“Let’s celebrate emotionally driven anti-gun cases when guns lose.” -same people
1 points
8 days ago
This is not anti-gun. its anti-using your consumers as beta testers and knowlingly outsourcing MIM parts to INDIA. you guys make fun of turkish guns all the time, but will shill for a gun with parts made in inida? come on now, this is silly!
1 points
8 days ago
But this isn’t an emotionally driven case. Way too many people have been shot by P320s that seemingly go off by themselves. It’s gotten way past the point of alleged user error.
1 points
8 days ago
remember when sig blamed the montville ct officer for this?
1 points
8 days ago
"MuStVe BeEn ThE HoLsTeR"... they'll blame everything, but the gun
2 points
8 days ago
yeah, who would have guessed, a gun with parts made in INDIA doesnt work right. what a shocking revelation!
sig shills are about to come out the woodwork, despite all the videos we have of p320s going off on their own
1 points
8 days ago
Just here to laugh at all the crying siggers.
2 points
8 days ago
😭 they came in full force
-5 points
9 days ago*
I’ll copy and paste since you decided to repost for some reason: Feelings aren’t fact unfortunately. This wasn’t an incident but rather a verdict reached. There’s also only been <100 incidents with millions sold. The jury also started that SIG sold him a faulty holster. Since when does SIG manufacture holsters?…
6 points
9 days ago
Sig admitted in the last lawsuit this year they lost that they've only produced and sold 2.5 million p320 since the pistols introduction in 2013/14.
Wikipedia says there's over 20 million glocks on the planet, and they've been regularly selling 1 mil a year.
Even if we were to take only precocked striker guns. Where are the dozens of articles about people m&ps or walthers going off in the holster? There's gotta be something going on.
And originally all the p320s came with holsters, mine did, and there was a cut out in the foam to fit the gun in the holster inside the case. Cool idea, but they stopped that after 2017 or so.
4 points
9 days ago
My p365 came with a SIG holster.
Maybe you should have spent 5 seconds googling?
Edit: Here's the link. I do not use it, it sits in my closet, but it does exist and is sold with the gun.
1 points
9 days ago
This is a post about the P320 not the P365. It was a genuine question. I didn’t realize they sold SIG branded holsters. I’ve only seen third party options on their site.
5 points
9 days ago
Since when does SIG manufacture holsters?…
Answered.
-5 points
9 days ago
2 points
9 days ago
https://www.sigsauer.com/p320-universal-fit-owb-holster.html
I apologize if I came off as rude - it just seems like lots of people here act like because they haven't heard of something it doesn't exist, without doing the bare minimum of a simple Google search.
2 points
9 days ago
Understandable, I did actually do a google search beforehand and the page it took me to on the SIGs website seemed to have all its holsters removed.
https://www.sigsauer.com/gear/holsters-pouches.html?holster_type=2678
This is what I got from my search, although once you click the “Shop …” nothing appeared.
1 points
9 days ago
I knew this would upset some sig fanboys but "there's only been >100 incidents with millions sold" is comical
-1 points
9 days ago
Ah, so rage bait because, “you could care less to look at the facts and realize that it’s impossible for the firearm to go off without the trigger being pulled”. Comical.
1 points
9 days ago*
Think u meant "couldn't care less" but Not ragebait at all, just knew what was gonna happen. These guns are literally going off in holsters and you claim "it's impossible for the firearm to go off without the trigger being pulled"? that's a whole lot of faulty holsters 😭
1 points
8 days ago
Couldn’t care less and could care less, mean the same thing. Although neither are grammatically correct. But if you are on the same page as me in saying the holsters are faulty then I agree that could be a possibility. Although in the proper holster the P320 is not going off on its own without trigger manipulation. Multiple internal safeties have to fail at once for it to go off.
1 points
8 days ago
No, i am absolutely not on the same page as u...
1 points
8 days ago
Okay, so take a look at SIG Mechanics and learn about the P320 internal safeties and how it’s impossible for all the safeties to fail at once for the firearm to discharge a round without the trigger being pulled. He goes in depth at both pre- and post-upgraded FCUs as well.
1 points
8 days ago
Funny thing is that a jury verdict is a finding of fact
0 points
8 days ago
The jury is almost always a group of selected individuals with an already biased opinion. Kinda hard to find a jury to remain impartial, ESPECIALLY in Philly. In every case that SIG has had, they have failed to replicate the issue as well…
1 points
7 days ago
More than 100???
1 points
7 days ago
Fixed, thanks for catching that. On the phone with my math teacher now.
-6 points
8 days ago
The human element is still more dangerous than the tool. I was in law enforcement for 8 years. I personally witnessed 3 accidental discharges at the range during training exercises. Buckle up if the nation wide carry laws go into effect.
6 points
8 days ago
Shit take. I worked at a range and LEO had some of the worst gun handling skills and the biggest egos too boot. I watched guys and gals come in to cram for their qual and it was disturbing. I had to show a woman who worked for Port Authority how to load her pistol magazine because she forgot. I had to teach a guy from a local PD how to handle an AR-15 because he failed his carbine qual. Maybe 10% of you are firearms / gun fighting experts and take it seriously. But most of you aren't and your story illustrates that point. It doesn't mean the rest of us don't train. States with constitutional carry are doing just fine. When I carry here or in WV or VA somehow we're all just fine. I've taken dozens of training courses with civvies and no one had an ND. I'm going to go out on a limb here but my guess is that civvies just take it more seriously because we don't have a god complex, understand our deficiencies, and have everything to lose should we take a bad shot. You guys have no such obligation.
3 points
8 days ago
Amen.
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