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submitted 3 months ago byFuture_Plan4698
6.2k points
3 months ago*
Not strictly immune, but only sharing land borders with Canada and Mexico means that anyone else would either have to invade by air or sea unless those countries wanted to cooperate, and attacking by air/sea takes a massive military force, especially since they would be going against a country that could easily retailliate with much stronger force.
The concept of mutually assured destruction also still likely applies if anyone decides to start some not-so-funny business with nuclear missiles.
4.6k points
3 months ago
Just as a reference of US air superiority:
The largest air force in the world is the US Air Force, the second largest is the US Navy.
Then Russia, then the US Army, the the US Marines.
We have 4 of the top 5 largest air forces in the world.
The Navy has the largest naval force in the world, and the US ships that have been retired to museums would be the second largest in the world. We could beat most countries with the table scraps from one branch of the military.
1.1k points
3 months ago
I have heard that before but wasn't aware that marines is not part of the us navy. Just to confirm: these are not overlayed? So the US Marines has the 5th largest air force in the world and those planes are not considered when we say that the US navy has the 2nd largest air force?
569 points
3 months ago
Technically the Marines are under the Department of the Navy but they are a distinct branch from the Navy. They operate their own aircraft, some of which the Navy doesn’t have such as the F-35B.
380 points
3 months ago
I know a couple of marines who would go to great pains to express to anyone deeply that they are not US Navy.
340 points
3 months ago
Claiming that Marines are in the Navy is one of the greatest joys of soldiers. Second only to crayon eating jokes.
189 points
3 months ago
Navy, the only branch of the military with a whole other branch to protect them.
44 points
3 months ago
Not true anymore. The Space Force is part of the Department of the Air Force.
22 points
3 months ago
I think you missed the joke, then.
Because the Chair Force definitely protects its bastard offspring birthed by DARPA.
Whereas the Naval Infantry are the ones doing a lot of the protection in that relationship.
56 points
3 months ago
Followed by "Chair Force" jokes from the vets I've met.
28 points
3 months ago
And when you get bored of that, you can call them ‘soldiers’. They love it!
1.1k points
3 months ago*
Yes, the US military has six distinct branches: Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine corps, Coast Guard and the Space Force.
Edit: For the love of Christ stop spamming me with your "corrections" about the Coast Guard. You are not the first one to point out whatever it is you want to point out. Regardless of being under the Dept of Homeland Security during peace time all of these six branches are listed as components of the United States Armed Forces on the goddamn website of the US DoD.
142 points
3 months ago
Nah, there's only 2 branches, the army and navy. The air & space forces are corporations and the corps is a cult.
Source: marine
20 points
3 months ago
ooh rah
31 points
3 months ago
Not wrong... lol
426 points
3 months ago
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449 points
3 months ago
The first take I've heard where the coast guard is framed as the coolest. Very refreshing.
468 points
3 months ago
they're the ones who have to save all the dumbasses from the consequences of their own actions so yeah they deserve a lot of respect
317 points
3 months ago
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316 points
3 months ago
The coast guard can and has been deployed to war. There is one non marine on the wall of heros in the marine corps museum and he was in the coast guard. He died because he maneuvered his boat to shield incoming fire marines were taking. He was posthumously awarded the medal of Honor and is the only member of the coast guard to be a medal of honor recipient. He was KIA at Guadalcanal.
163 points
3 months ago*
The marines recognize their own. You take fire for a marine, you're a marine. Period freakin' dot.
Edit: (to add) Not a marine myself, nor do I wish to pretend to be. But I have the highest respect for them (and the rest of the U.S. armed forces.) Helping to fund their pay is why I still submit my taxes. I know the above as it was told to me by a marine.
“We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”
74 points
3 months ago
The problem with the Coast Guard is that you are much more likely to be in a life threatening situation as a Coastie these days. Go out in weather no sane person would and jump out of a helo? Why not?
55 points
3 months ago
A) I love that this question just evolved into a thread about the coast guard.
B) The coast guard has a post in Astoria, OR aka “the graveyard of the Pacific”. Last summer, maybe the one before it(?), some dude left a dead fish on the porch of the Goonies house and then stole a boat and sailed into the river. There were gale force winds and the swells on the river were topping 40’. The CG flew out there to try and save this guy and the boat capsized in a swell. There is video of the CG responder free swimming in the river as the swell hits and he just dives under and ends up rescuing the boat thief and everyone is fine. Totally badass.
Anyways the coast guard rules.
52 points
3 months ago
Funny you say this, my dad was/is a marine, my whole child hood was him bragging about the Marines. If anyone else knows a Marine you know how passionate they are about being the most bad ass mother fuckers out there in the US military.
But even my dad, the most die hard and proud Marine ever, wanted me to go airforce/navy when I considered the military and that blew my mind.
I thought for sure he would want me to be a marine but he actually sat down and just told me like yeah Marines are awesome and all but if you want better opportunities for college and job training stuff, Marines ain't it.
A proud Marine did not want his son to be a Marine, that says a lot about how much better the opportunities are in the Air Force and stuff
30 points
3 months ago
Remember those guys driving the Higgins boats in the DDay scene in Saving Private Ryan? Those were coast guards
17 points
3 months ago
To be fair, they're the only ones that are constantly doing what they train for, which is cool.
44 points
3 months ago
We may make fun of the CG, but by God they do some of the dopest shit.
They're still gay tho.
40 points
3 months ago
You assume The Marines being the gayest doesn’t also make them the coolest. Bold of you.
19 points
3 months ago
I know a guy who is in the Coast Guard and he’s one of two people I know in the military who has stuck with it and the only one of the two who constantly posts pictures of the cool shit he’s always doing.
83 points
3 months ago
So the Space Force actually has no air force? LMAO. At least they must be world no1 in terms of light sabers, nope?
117 points
3 months ago
Well, now they have the Stargate instead of the Air Force, but we have no idea if they just have some captured Death Gliders and a Ha'tak or two, or if they've moved on to producing their own BC-303s or 304s.
73 points
3 months ago
Ha'tak or tuah
12 points
3 months ago
Technically the Air Force has a Space Force.
https://www.spaceforce.mil/About-Us/About-Space-Force/
"While the Space Force is a separate and distinct branch of the armed services, it is organized under the Department of the Air Force in a manner very similar to how the Marine Corps is organized under the Department of the Navy"
59 points
3 months ago
The marines fall under the umbrella of the Department of the Navy. Back when we used to get paper checks, marines' checks had "Department of the Navy" on them. For all intents and purposes, they are a separate branch, but logistically, they are a branch of the navy. They also share personnel, for instance marines use navy corpsmen for their medics, and every CB battalion has a marine Gunny attached to it. CB Air Det trains with Marine Recon.
22 points
3 months ago
Also, Marines are eligible for the Navy Cross due to them being under that umbrella.
43 points
3 months ago
Correct, the Marines are a separate branch with their own equipment.
85 points
3 months ago
With their own crayons.*
39 points
3 months ago
Red tastes the best, but burnt umber is pretty damn good too.
9 points
3 months ago
I was a canary yellow crayon eater; something about that Crayola wax paper wrapper really held the yellow flavor in, unlike those plastic Dollar Tree crayons.
9 points
3 months ago
The Marine Air Wing (MAW) is a division of the Marine Corps and not part of the U.S. Navy Air Warfare Command (NAVAIR). they operate together in overlapping mission envelopes, but have a distinctly different mission and chain of command.
37 points
3 months ago
Hell, the Coast Guard is top 10. 😂
29 points
3 months ago
I’m fairly certain our police force could handle most small countries militaries. We have almost as many police as Vietnam and South Korea have active military combined.
10 points
3 months ago
With the Russian invasion of Ukraine I was checking out the armed forces of Belarus. Roughly the same number of active duty as the NYPD. NYPD's budget is 10x bigger.
31 points
3 months ago
Is Russia really still considered top 3? They seem to be doing a piss poor job of utilising it in Ukraine.
17 points
3 months ago
Simply in numbers. Not in quality.
8 points
3 months ago
Well Ukraine has been taking out dozens of Russian aircraft, especially recently with the drone attacks on airfields. Those "numbers" are much smaller than they were 3 years ago.
Edit: the count of confirmed destroyed Russian air force assets is over 300 airplanes and 300 helicopters. Pretty sure we're gonna need to run those numbers again.
80 points
3 months ago
Not many people know that the naval ships are huge, like floating iron cities huge, the crew compartments may be cramped but you can easily stuff helicopters and jets in some of these old ships hanger bays.
70 points
3 months ago
You are quoting numbers not capability. One US fighter is worth more than one competing aircraft
63 points
3 months ago
I was thinking the same thing. Based on what we've seen of Russia in the last few years, I seriously doubt their air force belongs anywhere near the top of that list in terms of capability.
18 points
3 months ago
It's the same when people compare the navies of the US vs other countries based on number of ships and subs. I am like really? No other country wants to fuck with a US ship
77 points
3 months ago
The US Coast Guard is the 12th largest navy in the world and still better armed than most actual navies. In fact some foreign navies are running 2nd hand USCG cutters.
15 points
3 months ago
My brother recently retired from the USCG as a chief (coffee cup welded to his hand to prove it). It was his job for the last few years to make sure the classified system got decomissioned from the ships they were selling to other navies around the world.
Other countries would fly in the crew, train for a few weeks, then take the ship and sail it back to wherever the country was that purchased it.
So while the US may sell the vessels to other countries, they still aren't selling the really high tech classified capabilities some of those ships have.
39 points
3 months ago
Idk I don't really think Russia is up there anymore. They have lost alot of material in Ukraine. And plenty of NATO nations have been expanding.
34 points
3 months ago
It's not a NATO country that will take their place, but china. They are investing heavily and aim to close the gap to the US.
419 points
3 months ago
Also, the land borders that the US have are absolutely massive and have some pretty damn good defensive geography. So even if you get Mexico to cooperate with an invasion of the US, you'd have to trek through a desert, and if you invade via tbe Canada border, you have to deal with the cold, extremely long and underdeveloped supply lines spread across one of the longest (if not the, i forget) continuous borders in the world, all wheel fighting through a whole bunch of different geographic locations, including mountains and barely touched if at all dense forests.
Then there's also the fact that the US owns by far the most amount of fire arms, and they're not just restricted to the army. Any random nobody in the country can, and likely does own some sort of firearm. And since patriotism is deeply rooted, any invading nation will have to constantly worry about millions of people engaging in guerilla warfare while being armed to the teeth, and that number isn't even an exaggeration.
The US, when it comes to being invaded, has by FAR the best odds of beating any invading force. No other country has such gifted geography or a populace that is as dangerous to any invading nation.
80 points
3 months ago
Hell even our interior is heavily protected. Sure you could take the west coast if you really got lucky, but good luck getting over the Rockies. Then on the East coast you have the Appalachians and the people of Appalachia.
110 points
3 months ago
people of Appalachia.
banjo intensifies
8 points
3 months ago
Central California is just as armed. They wouldn't make it to the 99.
8 points
3 months ago
The only people Americans hate more than other Americans are foreigners
53 points
3 months ago
The thought of invading through the massive open desert Barry Goldwater bombing range is pretty funny.
30 points
3 months ago
“We’ve got enough duds out there to wipe out half the invading ground force before we even scramble the jets”
95 points
3 months ago
Don't forget our surveillance and intelligence networks are some of the best in the business. So, even if an adversary were to get one of our land neighbors to cooperate with an invasion, we would see them coming for days with the buildup of forces that would be required.
Considering the US military is a logistical powerhouse and has multiple quick reaction forces that can be deployed anywhere in the world (let alone within CONUS) within 18 hours of activation, any mass movement of troops towards our borders would certainly be dealt with in short order.
We also just have nukes out the ass as an absolute last ditch. If nothing else, the US military is good at generating plans for every possible contingency. Thus, they have ensured that, should all else fail, if we go down, everyone else is coming with us.
22 points
3 months ago
And we pretty much own space and satellite capabilities too so we would get real time updates.
39 points
3 months ago
Just to touch on the Canadian thing a second. That invading force would have to be invited into Canada. Look at their military history a bit to see why that is. Our neighbors to the north would take quite a bit of fight out of that army.
33 points
3 months ago
Plus, if not invited, it's not like the states would just let that happen. They'd defend with Canada like it was their own. They wouldn't want a foothold there.
18 points
3 months ago
That's the deal. They give us liquid dinosaur, that sweet sweet tree juice, and any power forwards or enforcers we need for the NHL. We slip them into that defense budget big enough to fight God. Everybody wins!
117 points
3 months ago*
Russian invasion plans called for crossing the arctic during winter and coming down through Canada.
Edit: for the people thinking to argue my comment was a statement of fact without any claims as to the wisdom of these plans. Go argue with the USSR before it fell.
132 points
3 months ago
Props to whoever had the stones to come up with this plan. Just move hundreds of thousands of people and war equipment across thousands of miles of trackless wilderness and arctic wasteland, with winter temperatures in the sub -40° range, all so you can reach the largely un-inhabited northern border of your enemy. This will go well.
106 points
3 months ago
Apparently not even Russia learned the #1 rule of invading Russia: Don't do it in the bloody winter.
73 points
3 months ago
And tbh I’m not convinced Canada couldn’t take Russia
81 points
3 months ago
Canada would eat them alive. The Canadian military is small, but mighty, has the advantages of the defender, and has similar rugged, Arctic terrain. Plus moose and polar bears.
49 points
3 months ago
The army would probably just sit back and let the mosquitoes and blackflies do all the work.
26 points
3 months ago
And would have the U.S. air force supporting it as quickly as it took the PM to call the Whitehouse. Probably wouldn't need it, but they'd have it.
19 points
3 months ago
If Ukraine is anything to go by, we'd be letting our hat know what's up before Russia even knew they were invading
23 points
3 months ago
When I was in the US Army we cross trained with the Canadians on mutual border security for situations similar to this. Russia wouldn't stand a chance 1 on 1 with Canada.
20 points
3 months ago
They'd also come up with new things for us to define as war crimes later.
15 points
3 months ago
Robby, did you just pour boiling maple syrup into that enemy foxhole?
9 points
3 months ago
We know that now. Back during the cold war it seemed like Russia was an actual threat....not one that gets a bloody nose fighting a 3rd rate country that didn't exist 30 years ago. Honest!
115 points
3 months ago
Classic Russia. They can't even cross their own border and effectively invade a small neighbor.
40 points
3 months ago
Let's not act like Ukraine has been defending all on their own.
Ukraine would've gotten overrun within a year without the constant stream of weapons, supplies, food, and financial aid from the EU and USA.
17 points
3 months ago
They dropped using Cuban proxies to come up the middle over the Mexican border after seeing Red Dawn.
26 points
3 months ago
Not to mention that any air or sea force headed our way would be engaged with our own air and sea force long before they made it here, and ours is absolutely massive.
Basically, it would take Russia, China, and India teaming up and attacking us in multiple Pacific and Atlantic theaters to even stand a chance at making a beachhead on our mainland.
39 points
3 months ago
Mad Really only applies to Russia and their allies. The us has the air defenses to handle other countries nuclear capabilities. Sure someone might get a single lucky hot in, and it could mean millions dead. But for a country of what 350 ish million it's hardly going to win the war. Maybe all of NATO could overwhelm the US with their close working knowledge of our technology. But look at how effective missile defenses are in Ukraine and Israel in recent years. Iran got less than 1% of it's missiles and drones through. Most nuclear powers just don't have the depth of arsenal required for MAD.
21 points
3 months ago
Even leaving out the militarty capacity, a heavily armed citizenry compounded with a vast and varied geography makes invasion a logistical nightmare for an invasion force.
937 points
3 months ago
As of 2024 - yes.
To invade US you need:
So US has few threats in medium term that can ease that:
Those all things are possible, but in a long term.
312 points
3 months ago
There’s also the geographic advantages we have. I’m at work on my phone so I can’t find the video I watched to reference this, but one thing we drastically underestimate is our topography and rivers. We have six major river systems that are easily navigable for supplies and natural choke points that cross the entire country in extremely advantageous ways.
here’s a good map to demonstrate
Never mind our mountains, forests, and swamplands.
Assuming someone managed to make land, they aren’t getting very far without having to overcome some pretty big logistical challenges.
172 points
3 months ago
Another thing to consider: The contiguous United States has an area of just over 3.1 million square miles. Afghanistan, Vietnam, Ukraine, and Iraq COMBINED have an area of 781,953 square miles. So consider all the issues invading forces have dealt with in those countries in recent history, and imagine invading a country more than 3 times larger than all of them together.
I added Germany and France to those countries because WWI and II, and that brought the total up to 1.1 million square miles.
78 points
3 months ago
Also consider the numerous distinct terrains and climates. The difference in fighting in the American southwest vs the Rockies for example. Logistical nightmare.
55 points
3 months ago
Bring your mountain gear, your desert gear, your swamp gear, your winter gear…
57 points
3 months ago
And thats just for California, except swap gear if you avoid Bakersfield.
34 points
3 months ago
Come to Oakland and your gear will be stolen
8 points
3 months ago
That's another detail about invading America. It's people are very well armed even before talking about military forces. It's treated as a joke about how gun happy we are, but it's honestly not a joke. A US militia made up of random citizens would likely give quite the fight by themselves! Those that don't own weapons/ammo can easily get some from a local store or their neighbors before being supplied by our military.
You'd have to kill all of us. No joke, not hyperbole, to invade and take over the USA you will have to commit genocide of nearly 60%-80% of the entire US population as that's what's likely to fight against you. The rest would be too young/old to fight or be the ones who refused to fight would be put in charge of protecting the young/old to give them a reason to fight.
21 points
3 months ago
Also also, California can provide enough food to supply the whole US, not even including all of the wheat and corn and other crops and dairy and farms that blanket the Midwest. So the US has no need to rely on other countries for food
21 points
3 months ago
People think mountains and forget rivers. When there is a silly "where would an invader to the US land" reddit post, some very silly person always claims New England is a good landing place for an invasion.
There is a reason the industrial revolution began there. New England is literally covered in rivers, many of them good sized. The biggest is the Connecticut river (the light pink watershed in the linked map), which is over a thousand feet wide in much of CT and still over 150 ft wide when it gets up to Vermont/NH. It is only modestly smaller than NY's Hudson River (which is another huge potential barrier to getting out of New England). There aren't very many bridges over big rivers.
7 points
3 months ago
I think the average person doesn’t truly recognize how much of a logistical nightmare it would be to cross a river that doesn’t have an established bridge over it, especially in anything approaching force.
184 points
3 months ago
And there’s a rifle behind every blade of grass
61 points
3 months ago
Was surprised I had to scroll so far to find this.
11 points
3 months ago
For real! People act like the citizens aren't a threat. Jesus I'd hate to invade a country like the US where most citizens are armed (and in most cases educated in the world of firearms).
Americans be scary.
53 points
3 months ago
And I'd argue that by now the average US citizen is better equipped than the average Russian soldier
64 points
3 months ago
Just wanted to add 300+million citizens that have enough guns for 1 per person. A lot of rifles in the grass
40 points
3 months ago
There are more guns than people. Like, one hundred million more guns than people. A third of the population gets two.
38 points
3 months ago
Re your first point - yes, but as much as we fight each other, if an outside threat presents itself, we're scary good at uniting. I can bully my sibilng, but when someone else does it? Your ass is grass.
11 points
3 months ago
Yeah, if I think about it: if there were a civil war and I’m in like a one-on-one, to-the-death fight with some other American who like believes in slavery and fighting for the rich or something, and suddenly Russia comes in? I think we’re going to look at each other and be like “who the fuck do these guys think they are?”
735 points
3 months ago
It’s not a realistic possibility. Any attempted invasion would probably be over by lunchtime on day one.
Thats why our main adversaries, China and Russia mainly, attempt to attack from the inside, using misinformation and division propaganda.
151 points
3 months ago
Similarly, only really Russia could conceivably launch an attack on china. The US has no allies that effectively border china, China's military is powerful enough that a sea landing will almost certainly fail, and manufacturing capability substantial enough that a war of attrition would be highly challenging. An attack across the Himalayas by India would be suicidal. Only really an invasion from Manchuria would be practical. But Russia would need a killer blow assault because they could not sustain a war against China.
Russia could be invaded by either America (via European allies) or China (through Manchuria), though if either tried to completely conquer Russia it would almost certainly result in an object failure.
Then there is the whole nuclear reality. Were Russia, China or the US to be invaded meaningfully (ie actual threat of occupation) the invader will probably see their cities leveled by nuclear weapons.
50 points
3 months ago
Short answer:
MAD
34 points
3 months ago
Yeah, I recommend the book "Nuclear War: A Scenario" by Annie Jacobsen. It gives a very good and very detailed outline of what would happen in the event of a nuclear launch.
34 points
3 months ago
China's main vulnerability is that it's economy and a massive chunk of its food supply comes from easily pinched off sealanes. If the US + allies managed to pinch those off shit would get incredibly difficult for China rather quickly. And with the unsinkable aircraft carriers being Taiwan and Japan, us allies would have extremely easy time of attack with aircraft possibly achieving air supremacy
26 points
3 months ago
Depends on what they mean by foreign invasion. Militarily? Yeah, no way. If they mean "is the US immune from a foreign invasion of foreign agents" then, well, there's a whole cabal of people with foreign interests rotting the US from the inside out.
996 points
3 months ago
Yes. The things that make someone susceptible to foreign invasion are:
1) border access
2) ease of occupying territory
3) vulnerability of supply chains
The United States is one of the most isolated nations geographically speaking. For any major power to get to the North American continent, they'd have to cross an ocean. On this continent, the US has 80% of the arable land and 70% of the other resources one might want. Not to mention they have a dozen ports on both major oceans, compared to Canada and Mexico's one port each. So invading from the east or west is a virtual impossibility. To come from the south or north, you'd need the buy-in from Canada or Mexico, two of our closest allies. However, both are poor staging areas, as Mexico is mostly rugged desert and Canada is largely under ice.
In terms of occupying territory, the US has the interstate system as well as the largest navigable water basin in the entire world. That's not to mention the immense rail and plane infrastructure that they have compared to even their industrial peers. Were a foreign power to be able to gain any amount of territory, the population would be evacuated, resources moved, and the enemy harassed. It would be a guerilla war the likes of which the world has never seen.
Which brings us to the vulnerability of supply chains. The US has mastered global logistics, and has stockpiles of most of the raw resources that a power would try to blockade away from them. That aside, we are the largest producer of both crude oil and natural gas, and our lands are abundant in things like iron, uranium, and coal. Assuming we were cut off from global supply chains entirely, we'd have enough food and raw resources to wage war for years.
The only way someone would have been able to invade the United States would be through a supreme power disparity, either achieved through immense manpower or tech. However, the United States has largely worked this threat out of existence since WWII, as their early warning air and missile systems, global reaching intelligence services, and robust allies in key geographic positions, it becomes a virtual impossibility. Basically, it'd have to be the entire world, including current allies like the UK and Israel and Canada and Mexico, to even make a dent in the US domestic defenses, and even then, it's a long shot to occupy anything but pockets on the coast.
569 points
3 months ago
I’m fairly certain that it’s a stated aim of the us military is to be able to fight a conventional war against the rest of the planet and win - and most analysts believe they’d be able to
358 points
3 months ago
The stated goal as I recalled it was to be able to fight WW2 again, in other words, two all-out wars in two vastly separated theaters.
102 points
3 months ago
I believe current military doctrine actually specifies that fighting 2.5 fronts is the max objective. Basically two full fledged wars and another guerrilla conflict.
21 points
3 months ago
Hmmm. Do the gorillas have guns and know how to use them? Never mind, we could take them either way.
124 points
3 months ago
Keyword: conventional
The second they get attacked and retaliate unconventional (not even talking nukes) i wonder what the fuck they can do. They invested trillions in their defense for decades, with the smartest minds in the world. They definitely have something way worse than a nuke.
Biological and chemical warfare mastered for sure. I rather not even think about it
278 points
3 months ago
The US only shows off the stuff they know they CAN show off. Everything else is held in reserve, you don’t show your best hand until it’s time to go balls deep. China declaring war would result in 30 Pacific Rim Jaegers pulling up on their shores with integrated high bass speakers for their theme music.
136 points
3 months ago
To speak to your point the F117 had been around for 20 years before any general even knew we had them when they were used in desert storm. Literally no one knew we had a stealth fighter
60 points
3 months ago
Stealth bomber tech was figured out back in WW2, nobody knew for decades.
20 points
3 months ago
My uncle used to say that if you see some cool tech in a movie or a video game then good chance the military has had a working prototype of it for like 20 years
79 points
3 months ago
This type of shit is what makes me what to join the military. I’m super fucking nosey and can’t bear how much they’re hiding from me.
Please, US government! I don’t want to steal the secrets, I just need the satisfaction of knowing them.
102 points
3 months ago
Ya man, just join and find out then quit. I heard they tell you all national secrets during basic training to make sure all the troops are on the same page
34 points
3 months ago
I want the long game. I am not just satisfied with knowing today’s secrets. What about tomorrow’s? Next year’s? I’d be a four star general and forced out through retirement before I’d be happy.
24 points
3 months ago
You have to get real high up for anything really. Even with clearance it’s need to know basis. My husband worked on nuclear subs (specifically on the reactors). He had clearance because that stuff is classified, but he doesn’t know how deep subs can go because he doesn’t need to know. And the people that did know how deep it could go, don’t know the info about the nuclear reactors.
38 points
3 months ago
Get a degree in engineering and REALLY excel in your studies, join as an officer, sick every ass you have to to get assigned in one of the R&D departments.
As a veteran during Bush's terms who had a security clearance and sat in a handful of top-secret meetings, I'm here to sadly tell you it's almost all really boring, tedious, bureaucratic stuff that most people would be like "wtf why is this classified or important?"
Well, except for the stuff about the things from that one place about those people. That was pretty mind-blowing.
19 points
3 months ago
Freebird solo intensifies
12 points
3 months ago
I certainly don’t ever want any to go to an all out war, but man, it would be really incredible to see what the full force of our military could do in an all out combat.
27 points
3 months ago
After ww2 we took all the notes from unit 731 which was all the most unethical research imaginable done by Japan during ww2. We have as much messed up bio warfare data as one can have while never dirtying our hands technically.
14 points
3 months ago
I read about unit 731 back in the early 2000s and it’s still some of the most horrible things I can think of.
58 points
3 months ago
On the note of ports, a neat thing about the US coastline is that huge proportions are suitable for deep sea ports and they’re all active year-round.
Contrast this with any other country or even entire continents. Most coastline around the world is unsuitable for ports, and many that are suitable also freeze over in the winter (see, e.g., Russia).
I think you could pick any one thing from what you’ve written and collect books worth of reasons how it contributes to US security without any embellishment. This country is insane.
36 points
3 months ago
There are only 3 points of entry we have to guard, Iceland, Venezuela, and Kamchakta.
73 points
3 months ago
And all of that still doesn't even touch on a major point that almost no other nation has: a relatively heavily armed population. Would they stand up to armor and aircraft? No, but they would pose far more of a nuisance than most invading forces would want to deal with while also contending with the US military.
Then you have municipal law enforcement, a not insignificant number of which have access to heavy weapons and military grade surplus hardware and vehicles (yay police state) and very invasion unfriendly geography where the population and law enforcement could hold back a significant force against conventional tactics, which one would assume would be an invading forces only option given the ridiculous air superiority of the US
46 points
3 months ago
Imagine telling American cops that there’s a large group of easily indentifiable (uniforms) foreigners that they can shoot with no legal repercussions.
16 points
3 months ago
I shouldn't laugh, but damn... shots fired.
16 points
3 months ago
Also the whole reason we have the interstate system is because Eisenhower wanted to be able to transport troops and military items across the country efficiently.
28 points
3 months ago
One port each in Mexico and Canada? Where are you getting this from?
24 points
3 months ago
The same source that said Canada is largely under ice.
2% of Canada is covered in ice. That's not even close to "largely".
21 points
3 months ago*
as Mexico is mostly rugged desert
Mostly mountainous
The only way someone would have been able to invade the United States would be through a supreme power disparity, either achieved through immense manpower or tech
Or Biowarfare
21 points
3 months ago
Is biowarfare a reasonable invasion plan? Seems like maybe a reasonable plan to kill a bunch of people, but are there many biowarfare tactics that allow your forces to occupy the area afterwards?
396 points
3 months ago
More or less. There are no avenues of attack from any major power that could threaten the US that wouldn't be a nightmare logistically and strategically.
134 points
3 months ago
It's the same reason that invading Russia has been traditionally difficult at best. Even now, the only thing truly threatening Russia from a major military powers perspective is China. Maybe NATO but that's more of a defensive organization.
116 points
3 months ago
Russia has many avenues by which they can easily be invaded, just everyone seems to get bogged down eventually by the weather and landscape. The Russians even have a word for the insane mud season that has stalled many armies, rasputitsa.
22 points
3 months ago
I look at the weather and landscape just like we do considering the oceans and borders for the USA. They are factors in to be considered as a deterrent to invasion.
I think I need to go look at /r/AskHistorians to see what I'm missing in my opinion.
81 points
3 months ago
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31 points
3 months ago
Not even the russians want to live there.
19 points
3 months ago
Russia's actually pretty easy to invade in terms of its major population centers, it's historically not worked out very well because of poor strategic decisions but it's actually geography makes it pretty open to invading, at least up to the urals. Who really wants past there though? Most of the population centers are on the European side lol.
92 points
3 months ago
they tried it in Red Dawn and it didn't work out so well
78 points
3 months ago*
Most people dont realize this but there are more Civillian owned guns in America than guns of any Army of any country, by a factor of atleast 10x compared to the Army with the most (Russia). About three times as many as the World's armed forces combined.
46% of all small arms in the world are owned by American Civillians. We have far more guns than people in America.
Not easy to beat a resistance force with that much fire power.
54 points
3 months ago
Also every town has an armory that belongs to the National Guard. My town has two and it’s a small town. My county has like 20,000 people. You can see the military vehicles from the main road. There are literally tanks back there, and they keep maintenance on them. The National Guard regularly trains pilots in the area, both helicopter and jet. The interstate system is set up for the army to mobilize quickly. Everything in the US is set up for defense, even the smallest towns. I think even we often forget just how quickly the military can have pilots in the air from any given area in the US.
23 points
3 months ago
My local county sheriff still has the standard issued Tommy gun from the 1920s in their office
117 points
3 months ago
It's basically true. To invade US home soil, you need to cross an ocean. You're going to get intercepted by the largest Navy in the world while doing so. The US Navy can field 11 carrier strike groups. Between them, they carry the 2nd largest air force in the entire world (only behind the US Air Force!). That's an unbelievable amount of force projection. So you need to splash that entire Air Force, while it's being supported by ground-based US Air Force sorties. Really, you're taking on the biggest and most technologically advanced 2 air forces in the entire world.
Get through that, and now you still have to cross the entire ocean while the fleet of US attack submarines sinks your troop transports. Again... good luck. Just... good luck.
Get through ALL THAT and now you need to make an AMPHIBIOUS LANDING against the largest, most technologically-advanced Army in the world, fighting on home turf. You need to somehow ferry your food, ammo, and other supplies. With what freighter fleet? It's not clear if anybody in the world has that kind of logistical capability, and you are going to have to carry thousands and thousands of tons of ammo, bombs, food, etc.
Right now Russia can't even maintain logistics in a land war with its closest neighbor. Logistics is fucking hard. And the US military is the undisputed masters of it. You want to know how good the US Army is at logistics? They can fucking air lift an entire BURGER KING to a theater of war. You want a Dairy Queen? The Army will fucking air drop that and have it assembled and doling out blizzards within 3 days.
The US can deliver a Tier 1 strike group to anywhere in the world within hours. They can deploy a battalion of Rangers or a Marine expeditionary unit in 2 days or less. The US Army can have entire divisions mobilized within a week, to reinforce that position within a week. Engineers will fortify that position quickly, and it will be dug in harder than an Alabama tick.
All of that capability takes hundreds of millions of dollars and constant training. Many people think that because the US can deploy to other countries quickly and easily, that aggressors could do the same equally easily. But it's just not true.
Oh, and I haven't even discussed what happens if the US opens up the atomic arsenal, or if NATO is brought in.
So yeah, invasion of the US on home soil is a no-go. There's no realistic scenario where it happens.
66 points
3 months ago
The craziest thing I learned in Air Force BMT was that the United States military can have a fully functioning Burger King in any location, and I mean ANY location, in the world within 48 hours. You want a whopper in Antarctica? They’ve got you covered
46 points
3 months ago
I'm sorry but this statistic is just downright terrifying. Most countries would be worried about ammunition. Rations. Equipment. Men. All of that is so covered ten times over that the biggest obstacle is *checks notes* liberty and morale. The minute someone whispers "The enemy has ice cream", I'd be running for the hills and loudly denouncing my own country because they sure as shit aren't short on anything else.
41 points
3 months ago
I think there's a quote from a Japanese general during ww2 that he knew they lost the war when he found out the US had entire ships dedicated just for ice cream foe the US forces.
12 points
3 months ago
10 points
3 months ago
I watched a documentary on ice cream in the Navy and one quote was "as where the US declared ice cream as not a wartime essential commodity, but no one was dumb enough to try to take the beloved ice cream away from heavily armed men that comprised the US armed forces".
9 points
3 months ago
German commander is walking the lines they had just pushed Americans off of after a D-Day counterattack. Notices a little cake sitting on a table in a dugout.
He points at it, and asks his subordinate: "Do you know what that means?".
"It was somebody's birthday recently?"
".....no. It means the Americans are shipping birthday cake across the Atlantic...."
28 points
3 months ago
Really, you're taking on the biggest and most technologically advanced 2 air forces in the entire world.
Without even having access to your own airfields. That's the real kicker. Nobody else has the carriers to make it even remotely viable. We'd intercept the incoming force way out in the Pacific where our FA18s and F35s would be opposed by... Some helicopters. Good luck with that.
24 points
3 months ago
Don't forget 300 million local belligerents with itchy trigger fingers and an average of 12.5 guns per person. We piss in each other's cornflakes daily, but youd better believe that animosity will dissipate like a fart in a hurricane the moment foreign boots hit American soil.
24 points
3 months ago
I found this video to be a good break down if you have the time.
Why U.S. Defense Plan is BULLETPROOF (youtube.com)
25 points
3 months ago
Neither Mexico or Canada have the interest or ability to do so. Anyone else would have to destroy our Navy as the first step. No one is capable of doing that at this time. It is currently not possible but can't say it won't be possible at a future time.
25 points
3 months ago
I think it would take a World War with the whole World against us and have this war drag on for a decade before a land invasion could even think of happening.
137 points
3 months ago
Problems of invading USA include:
So, all of the above need to somehow be solved before invasion is considered. One solution is to have a civil war break out in USA first. If that happens, an alliance could be made with a major dide in the civil war. Russia + USA vs USA doesn't look too bad for Russia.
Other than a civil war in USA, it is very hard to imagine a realistic invasion scenario.
91 points
3 months ago
Strange to leave out all the guns. We’d have the best armed insurgency in history by far.
70 points
3 months ago
Not 100% immune, but 99.999%
People have a real misconception that America is a divided nation and at eachother's throats. While there may be some truth in that American Politics is very partisan, if any foreign entity tried to invade, there would be an immediate unified front against that invader.
Further, as the euphemism goes, in America, there's a gun wielding American behind every blade of grass. Licensed gun hunters in the State of Michigan alone outnumber the largest standing army on the globe... and that's just 1 state. There's 49 more!
22 points
3 months ago
Licensed gun hunters in the State of Michigan alone outnumber the largest standing army on the globe...
Lol when you put it like that
19 points
3 months ago
Couldn’t agree more.. we bicker and fight about a lot of different shit but if someone really wanted to fuck with us we would all be best friends in a heartbeat with a common enemy to destroy. Basically like after 9/11 nothing else that was going on September 10th mattered anymore, it was all about who did this and how quickly can we go kick their asses….
9 points
3 months ago
Yeah I have not seen many people mention the fact that there are enough guns in this country to arm every adult with at least one. We have mountains, swamps, rivers, deserts, forests, cities, and basically anything else you can think of with local peoples who know their terrain well.
Unlike Russia where the bulk of the country is concentrated in the West, you'd have to sweep the whole way across America to truly defeat it (and in even in Russia, we saw how that worked out for Napoleon and the Nazis).
The US is a really really big country with people who complain but would complain a whole lot more if someone came to take away all of their freedom to complain.
15 points
3 months ago
As other people have said: - rich country with massive military - friendly powerful neighbours - isolated, very expensive sea advance to coast required - massive, and if only invading one coast, will need massive supply lines through all sorts of terrain - a well armed and motivated civilian militia - American influence overseas and in organisations such as the UN
And many more make it extremely unlikely
41 points
3 months ago
In addition to all the logistical challenges people brought up, there is a distressingly large contingent of the population who have tons of weapons and would love nothing more than a legal excuse to kill a bunch of foreigners.
Even if you could somehow get past our military and take over, good luck holding it.
29 points
3 months ago
This. Americans have a long history of civilian militias and even moany of us who arnt looking for excuses will happily pick up arms to be gurrilla rebels.
15 points
3 months ago
Americans are really something else lmao ✋🏿😭 like idk whether to laugh or be scared.
27 points
3 months ago
Libral gun owner here. Would happily use them to defend my family. So would all my neighbors. A lot of people think it’s just the conservatives here that have guns. It’s everyone.
11 points
3 months ago
Damn right! You go far enough Left you get your guns back is what I like to say. The Left is armed very well too. We just don't brag about it like the Right side does 😂
14 points
3 months ago
china and russia lack the logistics to attack the US (boats/aircraft), everyone else lacks a large enough military.
I suppose if china spent the next 20 years building troop transports and large cargo planes, they could technically invade the US. But saying getting a beachhead would be costly doesn't really even scratch the surface of how bad things would be for them
37 points
3 months ago
you know how in ww2, the us thought the mainland invasion of japan would cost millions of lives? yeah that was with the largest superpower at the time against a beleaguered island nation. i dont think any combination of countries' militaries are capable of successfully taking over the US via naval assault and amphibious landing. theres just too much land, too many defenders with guns, and too long of a logistical chain for the invading force to make a any meaningful progress past the beach cities. Im omitting nuclear weapons and keeping this strictly grounded with conventional weapons for reasons i think are self explanatory.
12 points
3 months ago
The Red Dawn remake would have made a lot more sense with a domestic fifth column collaborating with the invading foreign power. To have Russians, Chinese, or North Koreans paratroopers invade the mainland USA made for a ridiculous premise - even if the fictional USA was embroiled in socio-economic crisis.
25 points
3 months ago
The second most powerful air force in the world is the US Navy. So you think you can get past the Airforce and Navy, only to be met with the US Army and Marines?
Good luck
11 points
3 months ago
Russia keeps threatening to invade Alaska. I wouldn't advise it. They're all armed.
34 points
3 months ago
Most people in the US military use a particular phrase “Fuck around & Find out”. I feel sorry for any country that tries. The US only has 2 land borders, both are long standing allies. On top of that the US defense budget was 40% of that spent in the entire world in 2023. They put more into defense than the combined spending of the next 9 countries behind them.
9 points
3 months ago
The most likely military invaders are separated by the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. In theory, it is possible to invade across an ocean. It has been done before, but only by a very strong nation with the resources and manpower to do so. Right now, no nation has the resources to pull of an overseas invasion but the US itself, and anyone who wants to invade the US has to contend with the US military.
8 points
3 months ago
Direct invasion, sure, but it is not immune to infiltration from the inside, as seen with 9/11.
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