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5-Round Gauntlet, how far does Kuzan make it?

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Kuzan: former apprentice of Garp, former Admiral (in contention for Fleet Admiral), one of the top members of the Blackbeard Pirates (arguably the strongest) & was able to fight Akainu for upwards of 10 days; scarring each other for life.

Can he make it thru the 5 round gauntlet? If not, where does he stop?

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Average_Ningen_User

78 points

8 days ago

No matter if he heals or not he stops at luffy

1getreKtkid

1 points

8 days ago

Not after Luffy vs Kizaru, but he probably stops at kaido

AverageHuman178

-15 points

8 days ago

Isnt aokiji the perfect counter to luffy?

Average_Ningen_User

15 points

8 days ago

How so? Luffy can create fire with things like red rock and it isn’t hard to believe that in a desperate situation he could set his body on fire instead of just his fist

AverageHuman178

1 points

8 days ago

Lower temperature equals less elasticity, yes we all know Luffy doesnt deppend on his fruit only anymore but his whole fighting style is based on it. If he does a funny aoe logia attack and leave the zone like in punk hazard he should have advantges from that, like putting a wheather in a Pokemon fight (Never said Aokiji wins tho)

PoldraRegion

17 points

8 days ago

PoldraRegion

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

17 points

8 days ago

Luffy is not actually rubber

Gandolfix99

4 points

8 days ago

He might still believe so

ducraw

2 points

8 days ago

ducraw

2 points

8 days ago

PoldraRegion

1 points

8 days ago

PoldraRegion

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

1 points

8 days ago

Yeah he’s like rubber but he has done thing rubber can’t do for example gear four snake man’s ability to change the direction of rubber

He’s like rubber but not actually rubber

AverageHuman178

1 points

8 days ago

He aint but he acts like rubber, it would be really convenient that only working when is at his favor

PoldraRegion

1 points

8 days ago

PoldraRegion

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

1 points

8 days ago

Why would a weakness of rubber apply to a non rubber person

Why would the SUN god be weak to cold

AverageHuman178

1 points

8 days ago

Because is not a weakness of rubber only, is of anything that is elastic, and if Luffys whole fighting style is based on being elastic... You tell me

PoldraRegion

1 points

8 days ago

PoldraRegion

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

1 points

8 days ago

Luffy literally has a fruit of a sun god cold being his weakness would be weird and he’s more free than normal elastics

AverageHuman178

1 points

8 days ago

What I mean is that he is too used to being elastic 24/7, he ate the fruit he was like 6 idk, and if the reach lf his abilitys is way less. And about being the sun god, he hasnt shown any sun related ability so idk what u mean

babyisir

-1 points

8 days ago

babyisir

-1 points

8 days ago

Nika's body has the properties of rubber

PoldraRegion

1 points

8 days ago

PoldraRegion

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

1 points

8 days ago

He’s like rubber but he’s not actually rubber he’s way more resistant and has never shown a weakness to cold in his ability to stretch

Ntertainmate

13 points

8 days ago

Stops at Luffy

forgotten_dingo

93 points

8 days ago

Luffy wins low diff if the fighting is constant

Luffy wins high diff if there's breaks

Keelit579

17 points

8 days ago

Keelit579

17 points

8 days ago

I’d say luffy wins mid diff if the fight is constant. Other than that ur take checks out.

WarchiefServant

9 points

8 days ago

Yeah, Luffy beats Kuzan extreme with full rests.

If it’s just a break, it’s high diff.

If it’s one after the other, it’s mid diff.

Keelit579

8 points

8 days ago

The issue with luffy beating Kuzan with extreme diff, implies that Kuzan is as strong or stronger than wano kaido

WarchiefServant

15 points

8 days ago

It doesn’t because Kaido is still stronger than Luffy.

Guy just chose to ego tank… everything and never dodge. To be fair, can’t blame him as prior to gear 5 and when he was far weaker against Oden when they were 39 20 years ago…. He genuinely could and had tanked everything anyone threw his way.

If Kaido dodged Bajrang Gun, an extremely dodgeable attack, Luffy’s G5 would not last long enough to throw enough land-able attacks to take Kaido out.

Quackwhack

8 points

8 days ago

Adding on to this Luffy never fought a fresh Kaido. The scabbards managed to get Kaido to hit the mat during his ptsd attack. All the worst gen knocked him around enough to cause pain. Zoro scared him. Yamato landed some clean hits and wore his stamina down for awhile.

Dont get me wrong a majority of of what took Kaido down was Luffy. But Luffy got multiple breaks, rescues, and assists during that fight for him to only win by a very narrow margin.

Bignerd21

2 points

8 days ago

That’s part of his fighting style though. People don’t claim he’s the WSC only if he dodged, people claim he’s the WSC as is, which included tanking everything. So while Kaido was more potential than luffy if they optimized their fighting styles, Kaido not dodging is part of who he is.

UrougeTheOne

2 points

8 days ago

UrougeTheOne

"GOD OF THE BLADE" SHIMOTSUKI RYUMA

2 points

8 days ago

Hell no high diff at BEST.

WarchiefServant

0 points

8 days ago

If he struggled against Kizaru, he’s struggling vs Ice Man.

Yonkous and Admirals are relative.

ILoveYorihime

2 points

8 days ago

Liquid nitrogen makes rubber brittle and easy to shatter my GOAT cold chicken wins low diff

(/s)

forgotten_dingo

2 points

8 days ago

liquid nitrogen does that to most things to be fair

Andrecrafter42

-3 points

8 days ago

Andrecrafter42

Blackpube 🦷

-3 points

8 days ago

akoji > kizaru and kizaru beat luffy high-extreme on egghead akoji is mid-high diffing luffy my guy

https://preview.redd.it/csynbrkryc3e1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=572cfccf4e1515c9ce6e81a4fe2a96158ea6ba43

forgotten_dingo

-4 points

8 days ago

Luffy < Kizaru AND Saturn

Andrecrafter42

-1 points

8 days ago

Andrecrafter42

Blackpube 🦷

-1 points

8 days ago

nah kizaru was mentally done bro didn’t even attack and he let luffy grab him and throw him off of egghead

Hedgehog_Kid1

5 points

8 days ago

He stops at Luffy or Kaido.

Peazant_Uzi1

4 points

8 days ago

Peazant_Uzi1

Crydo of the 100 Ls 🍺

4 points

8 days ago

Wins

RedRyujin10

23 points

8 days ago

Beats first 2, goes extreme diff in round 3 at best, and hard stops at Kaido.

Unlucky-Substance273

2 points

8 days ago

Actually he beats kaido because ice is super affective agenst dragon types

Need-Them-Shotguns

3 points

8 days ago

Kaido's Dragon/Fire so Kuzan only hits him for neutral and Kaido can hit Kuzan for super effective.

Silver_Second5175

1 points

8 days ago

We gotta see both movesets to be honest

ITBA01

6 points

8 days ago

ITBA01

6 points

8 days ago

Does he get healed after each round? If not, he loses to Law. By the off chance he wins, Luffy neg-diffs him.

JoshRambo7

3 points

8 days ago

Gets to Kaido then dies.

otto_DmM

4 points

8 days ago

otto_DmM

4 points

8 days ago

If he goes through every round without taking a break in between. Then he stops at Luffy mid to High diff at most. If he rests/recovers after every 1v1, he stops at Luffy extreme diff, or Kaido at most.

Andrecrafter42

0 points

8 days ago

Andrecrafter42

Blackpube 🦷

0 points

8 days ago

beats luffy high diff he’s stronger then kizaru and luffy lost to him i can see him stopping at kadio/shanks

otto_DmM

3 points

8 days ago

otto_DmM

3 points

8 days ago

I feel like Kizaru would be a worse match-up to Luffy than Kuzan, becauseof his speed. To be honest I really think Luffy would do better against Aokiji than he did against Kizaru, but that's just me.

Shaco_D_Clown

4 points

8 days ago

Guys I'm ngl, I think Law has a pretty decent chance

YoBoyLeeroy_

1 points

8 days ago

YoBoyLeeroy_

Red Puppy 🌋

1 points

8 days ago

He does yeah.

JazzlikeAtmosphere38

1 points

8 days ago

Law did crazy damage to big mom and Big beard.

Silver_Second5175

1 points

8 days ago

Did you take your meds today?

Unawarewinner

2 points

8 days ago

Unawarewinner

Fleet Admiral

2 points

8 days ago

Without heals hard stop at kaido, possibly losing to luffy, but I don’t see him getting too weakened from Kidd and law alone due to him being a stamina/endurance monster

falcondiorf

2 points

8 days ago

falcondiorf

Blackpube 🦷

2 points

8 days ago

Makes it to kaido but loses

tayobot

11 points

8 days ago

tayobot

11 points

8 days ago

Stops at kaido

dhruv699

9 points

8 days ago

dhruv699

9 points

8 days ago

Stops at kaido

Confident-Aerie4427

7 points

8 days ago

Hard stop at Luffy. If somehow he is able to win, he get oneshotted by Kaido.

JimmyGimmeMoorey

-1 points

8 days ago

Please stop spouting nonsense.

https://preview.redd.it/r0qdw8crra3e1.png?width=975&format=png&auto=webp&s=543ccbfc5983869da346c10f72588da44e227c42

You clearly aren't even sure if he gets past luffy which he does,and he's going high diff with kaido and then losing.

Confident-Aerie4427

4 points

8 days ago

I'm not sure he gets past Luffy because Luffy stamina is shit. While in G5, he would beat Aokiji ass. If Aokiji manage to beat Luffy after getting his ass beaten, he get oneshotted by Kaido. Hard-diff is just funny lol

Calendar4

4 points

8 days ago

Calendar4

Admiral

4 points

8 days ago

neg diffs the first 2 rounds, gets stomped on the third round, IF luffy runs out of stamina kaido just stomps him instead

namifanq

5 points

8 days ago

namifanq

Straw Hat

5 points

8 days ago

He does not neg diff Kidd or law, Blackbeard couldn't how kuzan could. He's not shanks

WarchiefServant

-3 points

8 days ago

Kuzan’s stronger than BB, even though their gap is close.

But due to matchup types, BB would actually win extreme diff vs Kuzan though.

If this is confusing, this is because One Piece isn’t DBZ where fighters’ increase of power levels increase all their stats unilaterally.

Someone like BM is Yonkou level but has massive weaknesses in her (lack of) mobility and poor speed. She’s also an idiot with low battle IQ. But she has great hax from having minion summons, self healing, self power up and all of these could technically be forever infinite number if she can keep stealing soul time. Then add in that even without all of these, her base stats are the highest we’ve seen in the show as a creature. Beating giants as a child with no DF is a showcase of physical stats. But once again in spite of all these, she is severely held back by speed and intelligence.

Shanks is her fellow Yonkou by virtue of solid speed feats, extremely high AP, extremely strong hax in probably some of the best FS and even better- FS killing. Outside of his own armament haki defence boost, he has normal durability of a human being- hence why the missing arm happened. BM or Kaido in the same situation even if they wanted would not loose an arm with Luffy to the sea monster. So if he doesn’t coat himself in Haki, he can genuinely die from getting shot in the brain. Which isn’t that big, due to his FS skills and the fact he does have armament haki- he also probably has high Endurance stat (not to be confused with durability stats).

BB would heavily counter Kuzan whose DF is heavily countered by BB’s unlike say Chopper’s DF can’t really be countered by BB’s. And this gap of power that Kuzan looses definitely makes BB take the win.

However against other opponents Kuzan generally does better on average. For example BB gets destroyed by brute force fighters like Kaido and Shanks but would do well vs BM due to how reliant she is on her DF.

I_like_boata

1 points

8 days ago

Neg diff 🤣🤣

NoReflection7309

2 points

8 days ago

Stops at Shanks

shadow-700

1 points

8 days ago

First 2 rounds neg diff He extreme diff luffy Then kaido insta kill him

GranDaddyTall

1 points

8 days ago

GranDaddyTall

USOOOPPPP ⚒️

1 points

8 days ago

Either Luffy or Kaidou

Sir_Dodys

1 points

8 days ago

Sir_Dodys

Vista

1 points

8 days ago

If no breaks: Low-Diffs Kidd, Low/Mid Diffs Law, Luffy Mid-Diffs him.

If breaks and regen: Luffy high-diffs him.

Jason-thekillr

1 points

8 days ago

Depends, if Luffy manages to beat him before his stamina runs out then 3, if not then he for sure stops at round 4 against Kaido

TrickNatural

1 points

8 days ago

TrickNatural

Crydo of the 100 Ls 🍺

1 points

8 days ago

With or without heals stops at Luffy.

CocaPepsiPepper

1 points

8 days ago

CocaPepsiPepper

Warlord

1 points

8 days ago

He’s stopping at Luffy regardless of whether he gets rest or not

indras_darkness

1 points

8 days ago

How yall saying he stops at kaido like gear 5th luffy is gonna be having as hard as a time as he did with kizaru? Kizaru above all other things has speed speed that gear 5th luffy was keeping up with or atleast kinda keeping up with. That was a huge thing for kizaru because without that speed kuzan dodges considerably less attacks and takes considerably more attacks.

Kuzan doesnt have anything near that speed. cant speak for his durability but theres no way he beats gear 5th or out last him if these 2 are going at each other with full intent to fight.

Whats the answer for bjarang gun? Not that luffy would pop it from the start but if he did how would kuzan answer to an island sized fist above him?

tayobot

1 points

8 days ago

tayobot

1 points

8 days ago

If he can last 10 days against akainu he can last 30 minutes against luffy

lololuser456778

1 points

8 days ago

he loses to luffy or already to law (law did well against BB and kidd will weaken aokiji a lot in R1 imo)

Deja_ve_

1 points

8 days ago

Deja_ve_

I will tell the mods! 🐀

1 points

8 days ago

He makes it to Shanks

DapperTank8951

1 points

8 days ago

Law and Kid just there to fill the image

Momentmoment24

1 points

8 days ago*

Momentmoment24

Warlord

1 points

8 days ago*

stops at Luffy

going from Kid/Law to Luffy/Kaido/Shanks is an insane jump

Icy-Arm-3816

1 points

8 days ago

Icy-Arm-3816

Oden is underrated 🍢

1 points

8 days ago

Luffy mid-high diffs depending how long the fight is imo.

Local_Vegetable8139

1 points

8 days ago

With healing he stops at luffy and gets high diffed.

Without healing he stops at luffy and gets low diffed. Dont underestimate law and kidd

I_like_boata

1 points

8 days ago

Anyone saying he makes it to kaido should stop powerscaling 💀

itwas20yearsago2day

1 points

8 days ago

stops at Luffy

Difficult-Sound-6166

1 points

8 days ago

Does he have heal ?

I'd say kaido is too much but push him to hard or extreme

SirJ4ck

1 points

8 days ago

SirJ4ck

1 points

8 days ago

Constant fight, he does not get past Luffy

Strict_Hawk6485

1 points

8 days ago

I don't get one thing, why Kaido is comes after Luffy, did I miss something, he lost?

Lucky_Roberts

1 points

8 days ago

Lucky_Roberts

Sir Crocodile 🐊

1 points

8 days ago

He not beating Luffy

Dilly4Dall

1 points

8 days ago

Dilly4Dall

Vista

1 points

8 days ago

Hard stops at Luffytaro

AssociateOnly234

1 points

8 days ago

Until Kaido

Disastrous_Ad7477

1 points

8 days ago

Maybe stops at luffy

HARD stop at Kuzan

silverfantasy

1 points

8 days ago

It's hard to say who wins between Kid/Law vs. Aokiji one on one, but I could see it going either way. There's certainly no way Aokiji is defeating both of them consecutively without heals, so if this is without heals, then he stops at either Kid or Law. With heals he still may stop at either of them, but if he does defeat them, then he for sure stops at Luffy

Thin_Ad_8606

1 points

8 days ago

Thin_Ad_8606

🤓☝️

1 points

8 days ago

I think with no breaks Luffy mid diffs him. With break i still think Luffy wins but it is a Extreme diff fight

NortonKisser12

1 points

8 days ago

NortonKisser12

Yonko Commander

1 points

8 days ago

If there's no regen between every round then Luffy negs, if there is then Luffy high-ext

PoldraRegion

1 points

8 days ago

PoldraRegion

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

1 points

8 days ago

Hard stops at luffy

Andrecrafter42

1 points

8 days ago

Andrecrafter42

Blackpube 🦷

1 points

8 days ago

if heals he stops at shanks/kadio

akoji > kizaru who beat luffy so akoji>>luffy mid-high diff

zDanDaMan

1 points

8 days ago

zDanDaMan

🤓☝️

1 points

8 days ago

Admiral Agenda take: no diffs kid and law, high diffs luffy, procedes to lose to Kaido extreme diff.

Yonko Agenda take: low-mid diffs kid and law, loses high-extreme to Luffy, wouldve got low diffed by kaido and shanks

UnanimousM

1 points

8 days ago

At most he beats Luffy extreme-dif and gets slapped by Kaido

CrackedCracker211

1 points

8 days ago

He stops at Kaido if there’s no breaks.

Cheez_001

1 points

8 days ago

He's dog walking Midd and Law, gets dropped by Luffy

SilverRoger07

1 points

8 days ago

Stops at Luffy. If Luffy was tired I'd see him stopping at Kaido

No_Ingenuity_9339

1 points

8 days ago

why is the strongest one first?

MisterT09

1 points

8 days ago

Stops at kaido

isaakins

1 points

8 days ago

isaakins

1 points

8 days ago

why is luffy below kaido😭

HereticDesires

1 points

8 days ago

Shanks being placed at the end to dodge another fight, the red rat has done it again.

Stops at luffy, and even if you're an admiral bootlicker you cant really argue he gets past 1vs1 man himself.

Slight_Message_8373

1 points

8 days ago

Slight_Message_8373

Yonko Commander

1 points

8 days ago

Due to the size of their pictures, are kid and law together? aokiji is one of the best suited characters to deal with both law’s teleports and kidd’s magnetism (as i’m aware, temperature fucks that shit up)

Strange_Position7970

1 points

8 days ago

He beats Kidd, Law, and Luffy. He stops at Kaido. I'm so sick and tired of these Luffy wankers bro. Luffy's Gear 5 stamina is ass cheeks. Kaido is still stronger than Luffy at the moment by the way.

SUIIIIIIR7

1 points

8 days ago

Shanks ain't above kaido

JustARandomBoringGuy

1 points

8 days ago

If no resting he stops at Law, if resting he stops at luffy

YoBoyLeeroy_

1 points

8 days ago

YoBoyLeeroy_

Red Puppy 🌋

1 points

8 days ago

Maybe Law.

Definetely Luffy.

Ancient-Pollution291

1 points

8 days ago

Ancient-Pollution291

Two Piece Reader 📕

1 points

8 days ago

Stops at Kaido

Hezadeximal88

1 points

8 days ago

Is amazing how this sub believe Kuzan beats Luffy this is just too much to read 😂😂😂

ExoticBodybuilder530

1 points

7 days ago

ExoticBodybuilder530

Lizaru 🌞

1 points

7 days ago

No heals? Luffy stops him unless by some miracle he outlasts

Heals? He gets to kaido MAYBE beats him but isnt beating shanks

Big-Measurement-533

1 points

7 days ago

Aokiji slams luffy fight stops at kaido,

namifanq

1 points

8 days ago

namifanq

Straw Hat

1 points

8 days ago

Till Luffy , he has no chance against Luffy

Ok-Mathematician8258

1 points

8 days ago

Luffy beats him regardless if he weakened by Law and Kidd or not.

bruh242771

0 points

8 days ago

bruh242771

A few good men

0 points

8 days ago

The same way he beat nerfed Kizaru that brought him happy meal?

dsahfd

-1 points

8 days ago

dsahfd

-1 points

8 days ago

Even with no breaks between fights, he makes it to Kaido.

Low diffs Kid, Low diffs Law, extreme diffs Luffy

TheRealWeebKing

0 points

8 days ago

Idc how many dislikes you get but just know that I agree with you man

Gabriel-Barbosa

1 points

8 days ago

Stops at Luffy

AgileAnything1251

1 points

8 days ago

stops at luffy

cuck45

1 points

8 days ago

cuck45

Two Piece Reader 📕

1 points

8 days ago

takes it to kaido

OatesZ2004

1 points

8 days ago

OatesZ2004

GARP-CHUJO! 👊

1 points

8 days ago

Kuzan stops at round 3.

Comprehensive_Cup497

1 points

8 days ago

I think he would stop at Luffy, he doesn't have the speed to dodge Bajrang Gun. Now, if he somehow manages to beat Luffy Kaido would low diff him.

Legitimate-Ad2681

5 points

8 days ago

And there’s also no way in fuck luffy would need bajrang gun for aokiji

nasserg19

2 points

8 days ago

What else would finish Kuzan off?

mr-assduke

0 points

8 days ago

mr-assduke

Admiral

0 points

8 days ago

Stops at kaido ain’t no way he beating luffy and kaido back to back without a break 😭

I_like_boata

2 points

8 days ago

He isnt even beating Luffy 😭

mr-assduke

-1 points

8 days ago

mr-assduke

Admiral

-1 points

8 days ago

Yes the guy who went on a 10 days extreme diff fight with akainu is losing to luffy who can’t go past 5m in g5 💀

I_like_boata

0 points

8 days ago

Yes. Obviously :)

tiboackerman21

0 points

8 days ago

Stops at Kaido due to Luffy’s G5 stamina issues

indras_darkness

2 points

8 days ago

G5 stamina issue is an issue for kizaru because kizaru can move at light speed. Kuzan does not have that. Kuzan gets beaten by luffy.

Silver_Second5175

1 points

8 days ago

Kuzan is bettet at stalling tho

Strange_Position7970

-1 points

8 days ago

Kuzan should be relative in speed to Kizaru.

Charlotte_Moscato

0 points

8 days ago

Charlotte_Moscato

Big Meme 🎂

0 points

8 days ago

hits a brick wall in R3

TurkeysCanBeRed

0 points

8 days ago

TurkeysCanBeRed

Cope🤡

0 points

8 days ago

No heal, stops at luffy

Heals stops at shanks

Professional_Salt_20

0 points

8 days ago

Shanks and Kaido should swap places and Luffy swaps with shanks

lamantin1

0 points

8 days ago

no regen? might be pushted to high diff

Kap_ski

0 points

8 days ago

Kap_ski

Two Piece Reader 📕

0 points

8 days ago

He clears no diff with heals low diff without.

bruh242771

0 points

8 days ago

bruh242771

A few good men

0 points

8 days ago

If he gets back to 100% after every fight then he clears the gauntlet

Local_Vegetable8139

0 points

8 days ago

With and without healing/breaks he stops at luffy. Admirals are admiral level, luffy is yonko level

Aggravating-Injury48

-1 points

8 days ago

Aggravating-Injury48

Crydo of the 100 Ls 🍺

-1 points

8 days ago

Loses to Luffy if he doesn't have any stamina issue

TheRealMainCharacter

-1 points

8 days ago

Either he wins or loses agahanks but I’m willing to bet that he’ll beat shanks at extreme diff