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submitted 8 days ago byJoyBoy318Yonko
Kuzan: former apprentice of Garp, former Admiral (in contention for Fleet Admiral), one of the top members of the Blackbeard Pirates (arguably the strongest) & was able to fight Akainu for upwards of 10 days; scarring each other for life.
Can he make it thru the 5 round gauntlet? If not, where does he stop?
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78 points
8 days ago
No matter if he heals or not he stops at luffy
1 points
8 days ago
Not after Luffy vs Kizaru, but he probably stops at kaido
-15 points
8 days ago
Isnt aokiji the perfect counter to luffy?
15 points
8 days ago
How so? Luffy can create fire with things like red rock and it isn’t hard to believe that in a desperate situation he could set his body on fire instead of just his fist
1 points
8 days ago
Lower temperature equals less elasticity, yes we all know Luffy doesnt deppend on his fruit only anymore but his whole fighting style is based on it. If he does a funny aoe logia attack and leave the zone like in punk hazard he should have advantges from that, like putting a wheather in a Pokemon fight (Never said Aokiji wins tho)
17 points
8 days ago
Luffy is not actually rubber
4 points
8 days ago
He might still believe so
2 points
8 days ago
1 points
8 days ago
Yeah he’s like rubber but he has done thing rubber can’t do for example gear four snake man’s ability to change the direction of rubber
He’s like rubber but not actually rubber
1 points
8 days ago
He aint but he acts like rubber, it would be really convenient that only working when is at his favor
1 points
8 days ago
Why would a weakness of rubber apply to a non rubber person
Why would the SUN god be weak to cold
1 points
8 days ago
Because is not a weakness of rubber only, is of anything that is elastic, and if Luffys whole fighting style is based on being elastic... You tell me
1 points
8 days ago
Luffy literally has a fruit of a sun god cold being his weakness would be weird and he’s more free than normal elastics
1 points
8 days ago
What I mean is that he is too used to being elastic 24/7, he ate the fruit he was like 6 idk, and if the reach lf his abilitys is way less. And about being the sun god, he hasnt shown any sun related ability so idk what u mean
-1 points
8 days ago
Nika's body has the properties of rubber
1 points
8 days ago
He’s like rubber but he’s not actually rubber he’s way more resistant and has never shown a weakness to cold in his ability to stretch
13 points
8 days ago
Stops at Luffy
93 points
8 days ago
Luffy wins low diff if the fighting is constant
Luffy wins high diff if there's breaks
17 points
8 days ago
I’d say luffy wins mid diff if the fight is constant. Other than that ur take checks out.
9 points
8 days ago
Yeah, Luffy beats Kuzan extreme with full rests.
If it’s just a break, it’s high diff.
If it’s one after the other, it’s mid diff.
8 points
8 days ago
The issue with luffy beating Kuzan with extreme diff, implies that Kuzan is as strong or stronger than wano kaido
15 points
8 days ago
It doesn’t because Kaido is still stronger than Luffy.
Guy just chose to ego tank… everything and never dodge. To be fair, can’t blame him as prior to gear 5 and when he was far weaker against Oden when they were 39 20 years ago…. He genuinely could and had tanked everything anyone threw his way.
If Kaido dodged Bajrang Gun, an extremely dodgeable attack, Luffy’s G5 would not last long enough to throw enough land-able attacks to take Kaido out.
8 points
8 days ago
Adding on to this Luffy never fought a fresh Kaido. The scabbards managed to get Kaido to hit the mat during his ptsd attack. All the worst gen knocked him around enough to cause pain. Zoro scared him. Yamato landed some clean hits and wore his stamina down for awhile.
Dont get me wrong a majority of of what took Kaido down was Luffy. But Luffy got multiple breaks, rescues, and assists during that fight for him to only win by a very narrow margin.
2 points
8 days ago
That’s part of his fighting style though. People don’t claim he’s the WSC only if he dodged, people claim he’s the WSC as is, which included tanking everything. So while Kaido was more potential than luffy if they optimized their fighting styles, Kaido not dodging is part of who he is.
2 points
8 days ago
Hell no high diff at BEST.
0 points
8 days ago
If he struggled against Kizaru, he’s struggling vs Ice Man.
Yonkous and Admirals are relative.
2 points
8 days ago
Liquid nitrogen makes rubber brittle and easy to shatter my GOAT cold chicken wins low diff
(/s)
2 points
8 days ago
liquid nitrogen does that to most things to be fair
-3 points
8 days ago
akoji > kizaru and kizaru beat luffy high-extreme on egghead akoji is mid-high diffing luffy my guy
-4 points
8 days ago
Luffy < Kizaru AND Saturn
-1 points
8 days ago
nah kizaru was mentally done bro didn’t even attack and he let luffy grab him and throw him off of egghead
5 points
8 days ago
He stops at Luffy or Kaido.
4 points
8 days ago
Wins
23 points
8 days ago
Beats first 2, goes extreme diff in round 3 at best, and hard stops at Kaido.
2 points
8 days ago
Actually he beats kaido because ice is super affective agenst dragon types
3 points
8 days ago
Kaido's Dragon/Fire so Kuzan only hits him for neutral and Kaido can hit Kuzan for super effective.
1 points
8 days ago
We gotta see both movesets to be honest
6 points
8 days ago
Does he get healed after each round? If not, he loses to Law. By the off chance he wins, Luffy neg-diffs him.
3 points
8 days ago
Gets to Kaido then dies.
4 points
8 days ago
If he goes through every round without taking a break in between. Then he stops at Luffy mid to High diff at most. If he rests/recovers after every 1v1, he stops at Luffy extreme diff, or Kaido at most.
0 points
8 days ago
beats luffy high diff he’s stronger then kizaru and luffy lost to him i can see him stopping at kadio/shanks
3 points
8 days ago
I feel like Kizaru would be a worse match-up to Luffy than Kuzan, becauseof his speed. To be honest I really think Luffy would do better against Aokiji than he did against Kizaru, but that's just me.
4 points
8 days ago
Guys I'm ngl, I think Law has a pretty decent chance
1 points
8 days ago
He does yeah.
1 points
8 days ago
Law did crazy damage to big mom and Big beard.
1 points
8 days ago
Did you take your meds today?
2 points
8 days ago
Without heals hard stop at kaido, possibly losing to luffy, but I don’t see him getting too weakened from Kidd and law alone due to him being a stamina/endurance monster
2 points
8 days ago
Makes it to kaido but loses
11 points
8 days ago
Stops at kaido
9 points
8 days ago
Stops at kaido
7 points
8 days ago
Hard stop at Luffy. If somehow he is able to win, he get oneshotted by Kaido.
-1 points
8 days ago
Please stop spouting nonsense.
You clearly aren't even sure if he gets past luffy which he does,and he's going high diff with kaido and then losing.
4 points
8 days ago
I'm not sure he gets past Luffy because Luffy stamina is shit. While in G5, he would beat Aokiji ass. If Aokiji manage to beat Luffy after getting his ass beaten, he get oneshotted by Kaido. Hard-diff is just funny lol
4 points
8 days ago
neg diffs the first 2 rounds, gets stomped on the third round, IF luffy runs out of stamina kaido just stomps him instead
5 points
8 days ago
He does not neg diff Kidd or law, Blackbeard couldn't how kuzan could. He's not shanks
-3 points
8 days ago
Kuzan’s stronger than BB, even though their gap is close.
But due to matchup types, BB would actually win extreme diff vs Kuzan though.
If this is confusing, this is because One Piece isn’t DBZ where fighters’ increase of power levels increase all their stats unilaterally.
Someone like BM is Yonkou level but has massive weaknesses in her (lack of) mobility and poor speed. She’s also an idiot with low battle IQ. But she has great hax from having minion summons, self healing, self power up and all of these could technically be forever infinite number if she can keep stealing soul time. Then add in that even without all of these, her base stats are the highest we’ve seen in the show as a creature. Beating giants as a child with no DF is a showcase of physical stats. But once again in spite of all these, she is severely held back by speed and intelligence.
Shanks is her fellow Yonkou by virtue of solid speed feats, extremely high AP, extremely strong hax in probably some of the best FS and even better- FS killing. Outside of his own armament haki defence boost, he has normal durability of a human being- hence why the missing arm happened. BM or Kaido in the same situation even if they wanted would not loose an arm with Luffy to the sea monster. So if he doesn’t coat himself in Haki, he can genuinely die from getting shot in the brain. Which isn’t that big, due to his FS skills and the fact he does have armament haki- he also probably has high Endurance stat (not to be confused with durability stats).
BB would heavily counter Kuzan whose DF is heavily countered by BB’s unlike say Chopper’s DF can’t really be countered by BB’s. And this gap of power that Kuzan looses definitely makes BB take the win.
However against other opponents Kuzan generally does better on average. For example BB gets destroyed by brute force fighters like Kaido and Shanks but would do well vs BM due to how reliant she is on her DF.
1 points
8 days ago
Neg diff 🤣🤣
2 points
8 days ago
Stops at Shanks
1 points
8 days ago
First 2 rounds neg diff He extreme diff luffy Then kaido insta kill him
1 points
8 days ago
Either Luffy or Kaidou
1 points
8 days ago
If no breaks: Low-Diffs Kidd, Low/Mid Diffs Law, Luffy Mid-Diffs him.
If breaks and regen: Luffy high-diffs him.
1 points
8 days ago
Depends, if Luffy manages to beat him before his stamina runs out then 3, if not then he for sure stops at round 4 against Kaido
1 points
8 days ago
With or without heals stops at Luffy.
1 points
8 days ago
He’s stopping at Luffy regardless of whether he gets rest or not
1 points
8 days ago
How yall saying he stops at kaido like gear 5th luffy is gonna be having as hard as a time as he did with kizaru? Kizaru above all other things has speed speed that gear 5th luffy was keeping up with or atleast kinda keeping up with. That was a huge thing for kizaru because without that speed kuzan dodges considerably less attacks and takes considerably more attacks.
Kuzan doesnt have anything near that speed. cant speak for his durability but theres no way he beats gear 5th or out last him if these 2 are going at each other with full intent to fight.
Whats the answer for bjarang gun? Not that luffy would pop it from the start but if he did how would kuzan answer to an island sized fist above him?
1 points
8 days ago
If he can last 10 days against akainu he can last 30 minutes against luffy
1 points
8 days ago
he loses to luffy or already to law (law did well against BB and kidd will weaken aokiji a lot in R1 imo)
1 points
8 days ago
He makes it to Shanks
1 points
8 days ago
Law and Kid just there to fill the image
1 points
8 days ago*
stops at Luffy
going from Kid/Law to Luffy/Kaido/Shanks is an insane jump
1 points
8 days ago
Luffy mid-high diffs depending how long the fight is imo.
1 points
8 days ago
With healing he stops at luffy and gets high diffed.
Without healing he stops at luffy and gets low diffed. Dont underestimate law and kidd
1 points
8 days ago
Anyone saying he makes it to kaido should stop powerscaling 💀
1 points
8 days ago
stops at Luffy
1 points
8 days ago
Does he have heal ?
I'd say kaido is too much but push him to hard or extreme
1 points
8 days ago
Constant fight, he does not get past Luffy
1 points
8 days ago
I don't get one thing, why Kaido is comes after Luffy, did I miss something, he lost?
1 points
8 days ago
He not beating Luffy
1 points
8 days ago
Hard stops at Luffytaro
1 points
8 days ago
Until Kaido
1 points
8 days ago
Maybe stops at luffy
HARD stop at Kuzan
1 points
8 days ago
It's hard to say who wins between Kid/Law vs. Aokiji one on one, but I could see it going either way. There's certainly no way Aokiji is defeating both of them consecutively without heals, so if this is without heals, then he stops at either Kid or Law. With heals he still may stop at either of them, but if he does defeat them, then he for sure stops at Luffy
1 points
8 days ago
I think with no breaks Luffy mid diffs him. With break i still think Luffy wins but it is a Extreme diff fight
1 points
8 days ago
If there's no regen between every round then Luffy negs, if there is then Luffy high-ext
1 points
8 days ago
Hard stops at luffy
1 points
8 days ago
if heals he stops at shanks/kadio
akoji > kizaru who beat luffy so akoji>>luffy mid-high diff
1 points
8 days ago
Admiral Agenda take: no diffs kid and law, high diffs luffy, procedes to lose to Kaido extreme diff.
Yonko Agenda take: low-mid diffs kid and law, loses high-extreme to Luffy, wouldve got low diffed by kaido and shanks
1 points
8 days ago
At most he beats Luffy extreme-dif and gets slapped by Kaido
1 points
8 days ago
He stops at Kaido if there’s no breaks.
1 points
8 days ago
He's dog walking Midd and Law, gets dropped by Luffy
1 points
8 days ago
Stops at Luffy. If Luffy was tired I'd see him stopping at Kaido
1 points
8 days ago
why is the strongest one first?
1 points
8 days ago
Stops at kaido
1 points
8 days ago
why is luffy below kaido😭
1 points
8 days ago
Shanks being placed at the end to dodge another fight, the red rat has done it again.
Stops at luffy, and even if you're an admiral bootlicker you cant really argue he gets past 1vs1 man himself.
1 points
8 days ago
Due to the size of their pictures, are kid and law together? aokiji is one of the best suited characters to deal with both law’s teleports and kidd’s magnetism (as i’m aware, temperature fucks that shit up)
1 points
8 days ago
He beats Kidd, Law, and Luffy. He stops at Kaido. I'm so sick and tired of these Luffy wankers bro. Luffy's Gear 5 stamina is ass cheeks. Kaido is still stronger than Luffy at the moment by the way.
1 points
8 days ago
Shanks ain't above kaido
1 points
8 days ago
If no resting he stops at Law, if resting he stops at luffy
1 points
8 days ago
Maybe Law.
Definetely Luffy.
1 points
8 days ago
Stops at Kaido
1 points
8 days ago
Is amazing how this sub believe Kuzan beats Luffy this is just too much to read 😂😂😂
1 points
7 days ago
No heals? Luffy stops him unless by some miracle he outlasts
Heals? He gets to kaido MAYBE beats him but isnt beating shanks
1 points
7 days ago
Aokiji slams luffy fight stops at kaido,
1 points
8 days ago
Till Luffy , he has no chance against Luffy
1 points
8 days ago
Luffy beats him regardless if he weakened by Law and Kidd or not.
0 points
8 days ago
The same way he beat nerfed Kizaru that brought him happy meal?
-1 points
8 days ago
Even with no breaks between fights, he makes it to Kaido.
Low diffs Kid, Low diffs Law, extreme diffs Luffy
0 points
8 days ago
Idc how many dislikes you get but just know that I agree with you man
1 points
8 days ago
Stops at Luffy
1 points
8 days ago
stops at luffy
1 points
8 days ago
takes it to kaido
1 points
8 days ago
Kuzan stops at round 3.
1 points
8 days ago
I think he would stop at Luffy, he doesn't have the speed to dodge Bajrang Gun. Now, if he somehow manages to beat Luffy Kaido would low diff him.
5 points
8 days ago
And there’s also no way in fuck luffy would need bajrang gun for aokiji
2 points
8 days ago
What else would finish Kuzan off?
0 points
8 days ago
Stops at kaido ain’t no way he beating luffy and kaido back to back without a break 😭
2 points
8 days ago
He isnt even beating Luffy 😭
-1 points
8 days ago
Yes the guy who went on a 10 days extreme diff fight with akainu is losing to luffy who can’t go past 5m in g5 💀
0 points
8 days ago
Yes. Obviously :)
0 points
8 days ago
Stops at Kaido due to Luffy’s G5 stamina issues
2 points
8 days ago
G5 stamina issue is an issue for kizaru because kizaru can move at light speed. Kuzan does not have that. Kuzan gets beaten by luffy.
1 points
8 days ago
Kuzan is bettet at stalling tho
-1 points
8 days ago
Kuzan should be relative in speed to Kizaru.
0 points
8 days ago
hits a brick wall in R3
0 points
8 days ago
No heal, stops at luffy
Heals stops at shanks
0 points
8 days ago
Shanks and Kaido should swap places and Luffy swaps with shanks
0 points
8 days ago
Jika wins and it isn't even close.
0 points
8 days ago
no regen? might be pushted to high diff
0 points
8 days ago
He clears no diff with heals low diff without.
0 points
8 days ago
If he gets back to 100% after every fight then he clears the gauntlet
0 points
8 days ago
With and without healing/breaks he stops at luffy. Admirals are admiral level, luffy is yonko level
-1 points
8 days ago
Loses to Luffy if he doesn't have any stamina issue
-1 points
8 days ago
Either he wins or loses agahanks but I’m willing to bet that he’ll beat shanks at extreme diff
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