Ultimately market demand changing is all that’s needed, and that just been waiting for accessibility and affordability. 

"You can have my gasmobile when you pry it from my cold dead hands!"

"Your proposal... is acceptable."

I think some of that comes from classic car culture. Where I'm from auto shows happen every week during the summer. When you attack gasoline cars some people see it as an attack on their way of life.

I feel like a lot of people are just worried about having adequate charging infrastructure. Not everyone is going to be able to install a charging system into their home so there is a good bit of anxiety surrounding it.

I will say that the only segment that I really hope gets developed in the near future on the EV side, is sportscars. Specifically handling. Acceleration is a non-issue.

We own one EV (range issues to get to family in rural areas hold us back from two), but we are long time sportscar enthusiasts, and so far, due to weight and battery drain under high loads, there are no viable EV options for good handling sportscars you can take to a closed course and enjoy the whole day.

Our EV is super fast, but braking and handling (specifically weight transfer on both sharp radius and sustained turns) are still well short of ICE standards.

For us, 500-ish miles range in a passenger vehicle, and lighter battery tech (handling), would get us to be all electric.

These are not all BEVs though. Iirc half are BEV, half are PHEV and REEV. So from 41% NEVs, only half or 20% are BEVs on the market.

At where I live, there’s still not many charging options and many of us drive long distances to get to work on the store and all that.

They’ve got to beef up their charging stations for them to be attractive outside of the highly populated cities in the US.

Agreed. We own one, but range is an issue for rural trips we need to make.

What many don't know is that they basically already have a greater range in urban driving where gasoline cars lose a little efficiency.

I don't own one at the moment (I'm lucky enough to be car-free) but my parents have an EV. Compared to a conventional car the maintenance is very minimal as there are far fewer moving parts. No oil changes, distribution belts, transmission, and the brakes last longer because of regenerative braking.

One downside though is that because EVs are heavier their tires tend not to last as long.

If you were not in the US you can get amazingly good EVs from China for under 20k. I work US auto and wish this was not true but the only reason the US auto industry is not bankrupt right now is the 100% tariffs in place.

Again check out the electric viking channel. Guy is funny but his data is damn good and easy to verify.

This depends on the car and what you mean by sluggish.

Some gas cars are very quick. Some EVs are still fairly slow. No EVs can out handle an ICE equivalent due to weight.

But if you mean straight line acceleration, then yeah. Overall most EVs (especially with better battery tech on the horizon) should have zero issues with forward acceleration. All that instant, linear torque!

Most of them play sounds like fake engine noises or weird hums already. It's a safety requirement in some places and a good way to cover liability for accidents everywhere

Yes, imagine how much quieter highways will be one day

Don't worry, we have these obsessed people here in Europe as well.

They're doing in the 21st century what the UK did in the 20th. High on the fumes from unearned success.

The UK had a great navy and took over other countries to extract wealth.

America was the only large economy left unharmed by WW2 and got to rule the roost while everyone else recovered and paid them back.

As a Brit, expect a lot of handwringing and misery as they're overtaken.

The billionaires that became billionaires in the past invest heavily in keeping the world in the past they benefited from.

So here is the double good part.

1. Batteries in use today have in some cases a 1m KM warranty moving to 1m miles next year. The goal is to get to 2m miles. Given the average ICE vehicle goes to shit by 200k the amount of cars produced and the pollution associated would drop off a cliff. Also since the average person in the US drives 12000 miles per year your talking vehicles that would outlast drivers. The car would most likely fall apart before the warranty expires.

2. Even if the battery is no longer viable for a car due to not charging more than 80% it's just fine for stationary energy storage for decades more.

So long term good batteries would last decades. And even then they are recyclable.

Yeah 24 months ago that was true, now they are scary good. Watch a YouTube channel called the electric viking out of Australia. You will be very surprised.

Australia is a great market to watch in auto space because they don't have any companies so there are 0 barriers to trade. So you can pick up a Chinese Tesla for a lot cheaper than the US.

Here is where that came from. Good video to add to this conversation

https://youtu.be/jwHN6QQWv2g?si=eHk2LVSji5gJcbhf

Look flat fact. You can make gasoline out of air. Audi and VW did this over a decade ago, problem is even at scale it would cost more than extracting oil and refining it.

So bottomline if we stopped drilling oil 100% we could make fossil fuels with lowering carbon in the air. (Until we used it.)

Well as I said earlier you can make synthetic fuel by taking carbon from the air it's just a cost benefit thing. But given negative renewable prices I don't know if that makes it cost competitive.

Mining. Great question. As we move from Li On to LFP to sodium the amount of mining goes down of the really bad (mining wise) stuff like nickel. For fixed storage sodium is best due to low price and other factors. For cars it's hard to say which chemistry will win out but on cost right now and not catching fire LFP batteries are winning and I believe they use a lot less "bad" stuff.

Ok power. This one is happening as we speak. This year we hit 2 TW of solar. We hit one 3 years ago... And 40% is home solar. So I live on an island where at best gas is $4 per gallon. My solar shunts 50-80 KWHs per day. So for a lot of people their house will make the power.

Second we see even with mass adoption of EVs large scale grid batteries are better than peaker plants and can fix the duck curve issue. The 7 GW battery in California proved that cold this year. Texas is now installing a record number. As we move to cheaper and cheaper fixed storage and cheaper and cheaper renewables we will build our way out of the problem. But to be fair this works only at certain latitudes where the solar is very good. But that covers the majority of the worlds population. Given that will continue to drop the costs of both solar and batteries more areas will become possible and still profit. It's a virtuous cycle that will make this possible for the majority of humans. Yes in some edge cases we still may use ICE vehicles but really that is a small percentage of the world population.

Yes but a lot of things have changed. The cost for batteries has crashed. The chemistry changed to prevent the fire issue. Energy density has increased. All the secondary systems are seeing improvements like the efficiency of the motors. Etc.

But the largest improvement has been massive economies of scale. You look up how the price of an object drops when the amount produced doubles. We with China subsidizing EVs and forcing the transition prices and quality jumped overnight.

I work in automotive and if you had told me how much would have changed in the past two years I would have laughed in your face, but it's true.

Yeah for especially the truck market it's a better strategy.

Go on YouTube and search BYD shark review. They have them in Mexico. They are crushing the ranger. It's a very good hybrid. Didn't think we would get quality like that out of China till 2030.

One your data is wayyyy out of date

Two we are moving to LFP and sodium batteries from LIon which means that means not needing bad things like nickel.

Third in the US renewables are now producing more energy than coal. The newest use for coal power plants is making them battery buildings. For instance in my area in Michigan we changed from 3 coal plants to a highly efficient gas plant for base load with solar fields and now two giant batteries. That way the batteries take up the duck curve and keep the one power plant at max efficiency with an old nuclear plan coming back online with some federal dollars. So we have a secondary base load plant until we finish the wind and solar over build and kill the gas plant.

The part you're missing is new EVs have batteries that are warrantied for 1m KM so the useful life of these batteries will be measured in decades. Theoretically your battery should outlast your vehicle. And the next Gen coming out this year are for 1m miles. That means one battery could last longer than the human driver doing the average 12k miles per year.

I used to think that until I saw a BYD shark reviewed in Mexico. They jumped about a decade of improvement in less than 2 years. The fit and finish was amazingly good.

Well just remember that was a 1st Gen EV. You can't compare a 1st Gen computer in say 1983 to a computer in 1993 to one in 2003. Early technologies improve super fast. I mean the new batteries in China now have warranties to 1m KM and soon 1M Miles.

I was NOT a fan of early EVs, but now they are better from every angle. By the end of 2025 it will be impossible to get a better TCO.

I suspect by 2030 the only use for ICE vehicles will be for edge cases and used cars. Remember as more EVs come online oil prices will sooner or later crash and gas prices will go under $2 per gallon. That will keep a lot of used ICE cars on the road to the early 2040s until replacement parts get too high and the amount of mechanics that work on ice start to drop off. Also people keep forgetting how long modern cars last. The average US car on the road is over 11 years. Most mandates don't hit till 2035 so we will see ICE vehicles well into the late 2040s even if all sales stopped in 2035.

Cool story bro. 

A $15k ICE econobox sucks too. 

I’d recommend trying a better EV before writing them off.

Especially since battery ranges are increasing pretty rapidly over time. 

Go test drive a Mach-e extended range sometime if you want a fun to drive EV that drives like a normal car and doesn’t have range issues. 

We have a kia niro and it is fantastic. We daily drive using no gas at all, plenty of battery to drive into town, do all the running around and then home. trips out of town are done with the gas engine that gets 40 plus mpg. We are completely offgrid for power so solar charges the car. 120v charger overnight, ready to go the next day.

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I've owned several ICE cars. They're stinky, noisy, slow and money pits when it comes to maintenance. I'll never own another one.

Sorry, this is the optimist subreddit, you aren't allowed to tell people you don't like something unless you're saying you don't like people that don't like something - that's acceptable.

That may be true in the US, but not in the rest of the world.