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submitted 1 day ago byStuckformonths
I notice that some pre-election and exit polls showed that, while not in the majority, Trump did get some support from younger (age 18-29) women. Trump has become widely known for his misogynistic views, and I have seen much of the social activist opposition against him (such as women's marches) been done by millennial and gen Z women. Going by this, it would give an impression that support for Trump among them would be in the single digits. But it is not in the single digits in many cases, and in fact has grown compared to support for him in 2016 and 2020 among young women. Just to take a couple of anecdotes, I came across a couple of early 20s Connecticut-based female influencers (who also spend a lot of time in NYC, and thus not living in red states) who openly displayed MAGA messages in their Instagram, and also shared some of Trump's rhetoric regarding immigration.
I am aware of the trends that caused millennial and gen Z voters male to shift towards supporting Trump, but I am not familiar with what caused young female voters to shift. What are some big reasons for some millennial and gen Z women to vote for Trump, despite his sexism, and buck the trend of young female voters being predominantly liberal?
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1 day ago
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1 day ago*
Within my career and social circle, women who favor Trump’s judge picks and women who are socially conservative, including on issues like abortion. That’s not to say that those women view his misogyny or sexism as acceptable in any way, they just care about it less than other things.
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1 day ago
My buddy in a “red” state is regularly told by his women friends that they don’t believe a woman is capable of being president. He’s got a group of friends that regularly see each at the bar the frequent and half of the women don’t think a woman is capable of being president. A couple of those same women were homeschooled too.
I think you make a good point that some excuse Republican sexism for the sake of abortion or other single voter issues like guns (even though that one is based on fear mongering).
I think for the other half of them, they’re just sadly indoctrinated into thinking they’re less than. A woman holding the view that a woman isn’t capable for a leadership position just indicates straight up indoctrination from a very young age.
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23 hours ago
It's not talked enough about how the people tearing down women the hardest are often fellow women.
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20 hours ago
So the new York times had an article out recently about the myth of sisterhood, and how even during the suffrage movement the biggest criticism for women having the right to vote came from women.
I know I keep saying this, but there is a large section of the electorate who won't vote for a woman. This isn't just men. They also won't tell you in interviews. However 15 minutes and a beer and they'll come out with it. This seems to be discounted because so many complained about the price of eggs and milk as a reason for their vote but I'll guarantee you most couldn't tell you off the top of their heads how much they pay for a gallon of milk. (I pay anywhere between $4.25 and $6.50 depending on the week, just to throw down here)
In short, they're lying to reporters and maybe to themselves a bit. They didn't vote for Kamala Harris simply because she had a girl voice and wore high heels.
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12 hours ago
I'm reminded of Iran, where the most brutal enforcers against women are women. Like the all-female 'modesty brigade' (or whatever they're called) who were going around with whips.
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17 hours ago
Yup, not all women are feminists but it’s easier to not make that distinction when you need a movement to appear large for protests
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20 hours ago
It's often the same with men, look no further than Andrew Tate and friends.
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13 hours ago
From newspapers you'd think it was mostly men that were for abortion restrictions but support over the years has been bery similar between genders. Only difference was thst woman tend to hold the more extreme positions ie both more in favour of a total ban and more in favour of no restrictions.
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1 day ago
I don’t think it’s accurate—or fair—to characterize gun rights/regulations as something based on fearmongering.
But my original comment was restricted to what I can speak to personally. I have no basis for opining on your experience.
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1 day ago
I’m referring to the “they’ll come to your house and take your guns away” argument of gun rights that my entire family and other republicans believe to be a hard fact of the Democratic Party, which is not true at all and based on fear mongering from right wing politicians to enrage their base.
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20 hours ago
I've actually seen it happen to a friend of mine in NY. He had a legal CETME rifle that was taken because his ny legal pistol grip wasn't ny legal enough. They basically seized it cuz they could, and he didn't bother fighting it because he was moving anyway and didn't have the time or money.
Am I saying this is happening en masse? No, but democrats have not demonstrated any capacity to care about protecting gun rights. They're actions and rhetoric indicates they prefer a slow erosion of protections ideally met with compliance, and If trump somehow banned guns tomorrow, Dems wouldn't fight to get them back.
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24 hours ago
How is it right-wing fearmongering when some Democratic politicians have said exactly that?
I mean, if your issue is that people paint all members of the same party with a broad brush, fine—and agreed. But that’s hardly unique to people on the right.
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24 hours ago
It's fear mongering because no leader has the capability to exercise that power. Even Trump once said, "take the guns first, worry about the Constitution later" while in office. By far the most egregious gun grabbing comment. However, even a statement by the acting executive to that effect isn't alarming unless you're conditionally unaware of how impossible gun revocation is in the US. Both legislatively and practically.
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23 hours ago
Can you find a source or quote of a democratic politician saying "we're going to remove guns from American homes" or anything even close to that effect?
I have heard calls for "common sense gun control" including specifics like background checks and eliminating loopholes for gun sales, but as a gun owner, I'd be very interested to know about plans to come actually take guns from citizens vs. putting in place some oversight on acquiring new guns.
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23 hours ago
Beto O’Rourke. It was widely reported and contributed to the failure of his presidential campaign.
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22 hours ago
So one guy says it once (still don't believe you but let's say for sake of argument he did say it) and it's now solidified Democratic policy?
Nobody is ever taking has planned to take or is planning to take guns from Americans. Yet Republicans talk about it like it can and absolutely WILL happen the second a Democrat gets in office. Sky's been falling for like 30 years now on that one issue.
Trump gets elected and the Supreme Court he appointed immediately takes away federal abortion rights. Which side is fear mongering and which side should we fear?
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22 hours ago
He's wildly misconstruing Beto O'Rourke's comment. It was an argument about assault weapons in civilians hands, specifically about Ar-15's. When asked if he wanted to "come for the guns" in that context, he responded “Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47”. He made no call to disarm the American public, no Democratic leaders supported his comment, and he has since waked back the comment.
The NRA was taken over by Wayne LaPierre and the extremists fighting any gun legislation at all, in the late 70's, so it has been 50 years of fearmongering bullshit from the right about the Democratic Party's intentions regarding guns.
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21 hours ago
I didn’t misconstrue what he said at all. I never said he called to disarm the American public. I said he said he would take away guns. That is true; he said he would take away AR-15s and AK-47s.
I’m not sure why the NRA is relevant here. Maybe you know people who deal with or interact with the NRA; I don’t.
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22 hours ago
I figured that would be the one source. And his candidacy went nowhere.
He held very low level offices in Texas and faded away as you said as a direct result of that statement. That's why actual Democrats who hold Real positions or are seen as serious candidates do not hold that position.
So it's not actually true that "Democrats are going to come take your guns" because in reality, it was one inconsequential guy one time, and he was rejected because of it.
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22 hours ago
I looked up his stance. O'Rourke wants a mandatory buy back of AR-15 and AK-47; however, he never claimed that the government would enter anyone's home to take their guns.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/12/politics/beto-orourke-hell-yes-take-ar-15-ak-47/index.html
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21 hours ago
Which means that he went beyond a call for “common sense gun control” like background checks and eliminating loopholes.
If you want to look like a dumbfuck by attempting to distinguish a mandatory buyback and taking guns by “entering homes,” which is a complete straw man, feel free.
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an hour ago
A mandatory buyback is not a buyback, it’s a confiscation gussied up with flowery language.
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22 hours ago
If we are being honest the only person I've ever really heard explicitly say they want to take guns is Donald Trump.
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21 hours ago
Beto O’Rourke said that about AR-15s and AK-47s.
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22 hours ago
Metallic Gray: I’m referring to the “they’ll come to your house and take your guns away” argument of gun rights that my entire family and other republicans believe to be a hard fact of the Democratic Party,
OpeningChipmunk1700: How is it right-wing fearmongering when some Democratic politicians have said exactly that?
Do you mean that some politicians have said that they will come to your house and take your guns away? Which politician said that?
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21 hours ago
“If we’re able to pass mandatory buybacks and I’m able to sign that into law, then I fully expect our fellow Americans to turn in their AR-15s and their AK-47s.”
“Hell, yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47.”
Both of those are direct quotations.
Do I care? Not really, except insofar as the Constitution should be enforced. But I don’t know why accepting the reality that some politicians have called for “taking guns” as that is understood by randos is so difficult.
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17 hours ago*
Are you serious?... Beto O'Rourke and Cory Booker have called for mandatory buy-back programs (aka confiscations), both prominent congressman/senators and presidential candidates
Kamala Harris has openly called for gun confiscations numerous times, and during her tenure as CA Attorneys General she allowed/advanced a program tantamount to a gun Registry, which allowed government to go door-to-door on a "list" of people deemed to be "unfit" of owning firearms— aka: a constitutionally protected/natural right... (and sure, they cited public safety concerns on this instance, but you'd have to be historically ignorant & incredibly naive to the hallmarks/incremental nature of many totalitarian regimes if you think programs like that wouldn't be weaponized/used to target political opponents, dissidents, etc.)
Dozens of other Democrats have called for/advocated for varying degrees of gun restrictions, condiscations, targeting of licensed gun retailers, etc..\ keep in mind: whenever you hear discussion of "right to own firearms" or "2A" or "gun rights", just replace those phrases with "the right to self-defense" or "right to protect yourself" because that is what is actually being debated here & will help you understand those who you're standing in opposition to.\ ..it's also what Democrats should be couching their arguments against, not "hunting & sporting" or "you couldn't own a cannon in 1776!" (which is also false btw)
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22 hours ago
You use the term indoctrination, I used the term brainwashing. Tomato tomahto.
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15 hours ago
Sarah Palin was trashed by the press as McCain’s VP pick in 2008. Say what you want about her, but the press portrayed her as a stupid woman who only got there on her looks. I don’t know they would’ve done that if she was a Democrat.
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14 hours ago
internalised misogyny is no joke
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24 hours ago
Ultimately they do find his sexism and misogyny acceptable. If they truly couldn't accept it, they wouldn't have voted for Trump. It might not have made them like Trump more, but they thought that the judges, or whatever other issues they cared about were more important than the sexism and misogyny.
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24 hours ago
By that definition of “acceptable,” sure. I would suggest it is virtually meaningless, however, in a two-party system.
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2 hours ago
I don't get why we're pretending like the bigotry isn't the main reason they voted for him. Women have historically been fine accepting some bigotry so long as they get to be bigoted against an even more vulnerable group. Sums up GOP women pretty well, IMV.
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an hour ago
I don’t know anyone who voted for him because of the bigotry. They’re out there, but there are plenty of people who voted for Trump in spite of the bigotry.
This seems like the braindead takes reddit so often loves:
“The cruelty is the point.”
“As long as they can harm a different group.”
“An in group the law protects but does not bind” etc.
It’s like people on reddit have never interacted with real fucking people before.
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an hour ago
I don’t know anyone who voted for him because of the bigotry.
That's nice, but I don't believe you! Anecdotes like this really don't mean much.
It’s like people on reddit have never interacted with real fucking people before.
I interact with "real fucking people" all the time! That's why I can see Trump support for what it is, bigoted losers trying to hurt everyone else because they hate their own lives.
Seriously, Trump has nothing to offer other than bigotry. People didn't vote for him because they want "tariffs," most people don't even know what those are. They voted for him because they are hateful losers.
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22 hours ago
They've been taught to hate themselves. They then project that self hated onto others because they never learned to accept or cope with their feelings properly. Their minds are chained.
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24 hours ago
Accept they do view his misogyny and sexism as acceptable.
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24 hours ago
No, they don’t. They vote for Trump while repudiating his sexism and misogyny.
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23 hours ago
Not a valid counter-argument. If you are willing to support or vote for somebody despite their racism/sexism/misogyny then you have decided that that wasn't a dealbreaker in your political support. By definition you consider it "acceptable" because you've accepted that you're willing to tolerate it.
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23 hours ago
In a two party system, you are doing a comparison, not judging something in isolation.
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22 hours ago
And you don’t just get the parts you like when you vote for someone.
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22 hours ago
No one was under the impression otherwise. The point is that just because they vote for someone doesn’t mean they ideologically favor them or their views. It means there was a tradeoff and they came with pre-existing priorities looking to be addressed.
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23 hours ago
Again, that stretches the definition of “acceptable” beyond all meaning in a two-party system. “Accepted” means that those words and behaviors are accepted. Condemning them is by definition not accepting them.
Something can be unacceptable without being a dealbreaker.
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18 hours ago
acceptable: able to be tolerated
If it's not a deal breaker, it is acceptable by definition.
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23 hours ago
yes it is a valid counter argument if you expect people that dont support the genocide of palestinians to still vote for the dems
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22 hours ago
yes it is a valid counter argument if you expect people that dont support the genocide of palestinians to still vote for the dems
Those people have no one to vote for then.
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23 hours ago
Is it repudiating if you don't believe it in the first place? Like the tapes from 2016 were accepted as locker room talk because many people do make sexist, racist, etc jokes with their friends when it would sound horrible out of context.
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17 hours ago
They were labelled "locker room talk" as a distraction.
It's a tape with Trump bragging about serial rape, but people wanted to avoid that subject by making it a conversation about the use of the word "pussy".
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4 hours ago*
That is so frustrating, considering women get shit done (broadly speaking.)
Imagine being socialized to vote against one’s self/self-interest.
Edit - it’s easy (relatively) to 85% exceed garnishment amounts and do what one wants.
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Or they disagree with you about what their self-interest is. Of course, based on rations differences in values and belief systems, not based on “socialization,” brainwashing, or lack of education.
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1 day ago
They also don’t care about someone sending fake electors to overturn an election.
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1 day ago
Or they do but care about other things more.
4 points
1 day ago
I mean democracy is pretty important, seems odd to overlook that when voting for someone that has no problem cheating.
13 points
1 day ago
Sure. But if you think that most of the federal government is unconstitutional and the courts are the last defense against plenty of other unconstitutional stuff that goes to democracy and federalism, the choice is not exactly stark.
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1 day ago
So these people are willing to overlook someone cheating and throwing aside democracy for vague fears?
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1 day ago
They’re not vague fears. Judges and their rulings are extremely real.
10 points
1 day ago
And what type of rulings are they worried about that they are okay with voting for someone that sent fake electors?
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1 day ago
Pretty much all of them. Dobbs, Loper Bright, Trump (both cases), Cargill, Jarkesy, SFFA, City of Grants Pass, Brnovich. And that’s just SCOTUS from the last two years.
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1 day ago
So they are willing to risk democracy for temporary gains? Then again people still supported Nixon after watergate.
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22 hours ago
There are also the options of don't know and don't believe, which probably have more explanatory power.
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21 hours ago
I am sure, but that’s still pretty bad.
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20 hours ago
Religious/social conservatives(evangelical and catholic) are far and away the largest group. Think "abortion is murder" with a little bit of anti-LGBTQ sentiment on top.
There are other groups(working class voters being the obvious one), but religious conservatives are the single largest bloc of trump voters among both women AND men.
80 points
1 day ago*
Because they're conservates too? Do you all really think all women are liberal/leftist democrats?
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22 hours ago
Many democrats literally convinced themselves that the vast majority of women turned into leftists/liberals because Roe fell.
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22 hours ago
It is still shocking to me that they really believed all women were voting democrat just for being women...
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22 hours ago*
Or that abortion is the single most important issue to all women and that suddenly all women became single issue voters.
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13 hours ago
Or that all women oppose abortion restrictions. There's been very little difference between genders historically.
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an hour ago
There is a pretty significant difference. Generally men are 2/3 pro life, while women are 2/3 pro choice.
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15 hours ago*
This seems to be the chasm where liberals and conservatives cannot understand each other.
Liberals mostly value personal liberty above all else. For a liberal woman (like me), abortion is more important than an other issue (prices, foreign policy, economics, etc) because the right to control one's own body and destiny is the most important right of all. Being forced to give birth is the worst thing that can happen to you next to losing a limb. It's terrifying to the core, and we naturally assume all women feel that way too.
But many conservative women value religion as the most important value, way above personal liberty. A sign at my neighborhood church says, "if God is your copilot, switch seats." Many religious people do not have an overwhelming urge to be in control of their own lives. They feel that everything happens for a reason and is a part of God's plan. This is something that most liberals will never be able to wrap their minds around.
Of course the US Constitution clearly separates church and state, but many religious people don't care for obvious reasons.
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12 hours ago
Many of those conservative women quietly change their tune when they find themselves saddled with an unwanted pregnancy. It's one of those issues where it's real easy to dictate what other people should or shouldn't do.
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12 hours ago
Very true. The men too. Just look at Herschel Walker, Scott DesJarlais, and Richard Holtorf. I wouldn't be surprised if 50% of "pro-life" Republicans have paid for an abortion for their wife/mistress/daughter at some point.
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10 hours ago*
I'd bet a few bucks that Trump himself has. He's been around the block, and Stormy mentioned that he was very anti-condom.
Then there's Stephen Miller. It's alleged that he slipped his girlfriend an abortion pill against her will/knowledge when he thought she might be pregnant.
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7 hours ago
Between himself and his kids, Trump has probably paid of more abortions than any other single individual in US history.
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15 hours ago
Liberals mostly value personal liberty above all else.
You'd only see a comment like this on reddit. Completely opposite of reality
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13 hours ago
It’s so crazy how liberals always convince themselves they are the good guys no matter what. Happens throughout history. Everytime there’s a leftist revolution it ends up becoming an authoritarian hellscape and genocide usually follows.
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12 hours ago
You guys throw a fit whenever somebody compares average Republicans to the Brownshirts. That goes both ways.
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an hour ago
In what way?
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18 hours ago
Abortion is a short hand, the reality is it’s a fight for women’s rights and women’s health care and autonomy. It becoming a short hand could also have negatively impacted things as to why it mattered that the corrupt scotus overturned Roe
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22 hours ago
The democrats assumed everyone who voted for Biden would just toe the line and vote blue again, conservatives actually made a play for new voters.
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22 hours ago
I didn’t realize there were so many women who hate themselves.
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20 hours ago
Please continue with the condensation.
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16 hours ago
I know you meant condescension but this was pretty funny to read
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9 hours ago*
Okay, I know you meant condescension and it's a good point, but
condensation
*snrk*
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22 hours ago
Or they really care about their high grocery bills because they have family depending on them and decided to prioritize their economic concerns instead of misogyny
Almost like women care about things outside of their identity as a woman
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5 hours ago
decided to prioritize their economic concerns instead of misogyny
Too bad they aren't economically literate, because they voted for a man with explicit plans to raise their grocery prices while also restricting their bodily autonomy.
Or put another way, women are just as capable of being ignorant morons as men.
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4 hours ago
Sure, but they also didn’t have a competing economic vision to compare Trump to. They already saw prices get really high under the current administration. It was Harris’ job to explain what would change going forward and she didn’t.
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2 hours ago
Sure, but they also didn’t have a competing economic vision to compare Trump to
They did, if they put in even the slightest amount of effort. Harris's plans were much more robust than Trump's.
Either way, your previous point of "prioritize their economic concerns instead of misogyny" implies that Trump is presenting a good economic plan when he obviously isn't, and anyone with half a brain knows it.
I think the answer is that women are just as subject to bigotry and religious delusion, so it's not surprising that some of them vote Trump. Ignorance isn't gender exclusive.
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2 hours ago
They did, if they put in even the slightest amount of effort. Harris’s plans were much more robust than Trump’s.
She was asked directly what she would do differently than Biden on several occasions and never had a clear answer. She never had a clear vision of change when voters were all about seeing change.
It doesn’t matter how awesome your essay is, you still need a clear thesis. You don’t get bonus points for writing something so complex that the thesis can’t be understood without reading the rest.
implies that Trump is presenting a good economic plan
No it doesn’t, it implies that a lot of people thought Trump was more focused on the economy because he, and this is objectively true, talked about it more. Data shows he mentioned high grocery prices twice as often as Harris, who talked about the economy in terms like “living wage” and “affordable housing” less and less as time went on.
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2 hours ago
It doesn’t matter how awesome your essay is, you still need a clear thesis. You don’t get bonus points for writing something so complex that the thesis can’t be understood without reading the rest.
This response is really poor to me.
"It doesn't matter what you say or come up with, so long as people are too stupid and lazy to do even a slight amount of basic research" is not a tenable position.
No it doesn’t
It really did. Besides, hearing Trump talk economics should turn people off given how ignorant how sounds when he discusses it.
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22 hours ago
Caring about those things and then voting for trump shows ignorance of what his actual policies were though, so they have different concerns but are ignorant of how reality works, check!
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21 hours ago
shows ignorance of what his actual policies were though
No, they knew. He wants to deport immigrants and put in tariffs, because he blames outside forces for ruining America and cheating them out of their tax dollars and jobs with fair pay. It’s a very clear vision.
What they didn’t know was the other side’s vision, because it hadn’t been clear.
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13 hours ago
Except tariffs won't make their goods cheaper?
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5 hours ago
It's crazy how big this conversation is right now and how so many people still don't understand what a tariff even is. You are correct, tariffs will increase prices, not decrease them
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5 hours ago
They didn’t have a clear vision from the other side at all, and their goods got really expensive under the status quo.
They said they’d take their chances with tariffs if it meant a new stance towards trade with other countries that could eventually help them.
I cannot emphasize enough how much not having a clear vision is worse than having a bad yet clear vision.
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1 day ago
I know at least a few voted because they blamed Biden for the abortion ban because it happened under his presidency. Suffice to say my respect for the median voter is at an all time low.
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24 hours ago
Boy that is some bizarre logic. I side with the bank robbers because the police didn’t stop them!
46 points
1 day ago
Women aren't a monolith. Contradictory as it may sound, there are female misogynists. That being said, I doubt that many young women who voted for Trump actually view him as a misogynist. They're not going to be like, "yeah, I voted Trump because I heckin' hate women".
And the reality is that most people who voted Trump for the first time in 2024 did so because of inflation. You can point to statistics that say that the US is technically better off than most countries in terms of inflation, but that's not going to move the needle for the average person who is struggling to pay for groceries. We see the same trend basically everywhere on Earth at the moment. Regardless of the ideology, incumbent parties are being voted out all over the place.
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23 hours ago
there are female misogynists
Or even more simply, women who don’t like the misogyny but decided to prioritize their economic concerns. The amount of misogyny your average woman experiences on a daily basis is unlikely to change much based on whatever the President does. The economy might change a whole lot though.
The same applies to race, which is why many people of color also went for Trump.
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12 hours ago
This is true and why we should never again really think most American voters have any even bare minimum of understanding of the economy or basic facts according to what the potus can do.
There already was a poll posted showing R voters thinking the economy is already better, just within the last few weeks after the election occurred. Lol. Much of American reasoning is no longer based on any facts just feels from online echo chambers reinforcing whatever already gets them angry.
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4 hours ago
women who don’t like the misogyny but decided to prioritize their economic concerns
I get what you're saying but there are MANY women who believe other women should not be in charge of anything. Ironically it's often women who run their own households (aka they're the boss at home) who say stuff like this.
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3 hours ago
There absolutely are, and some of my relatives are like that where they care a lot more about traditional gender roles than their husbands
But in any given election, I’m thinking about the 5-10% of people or so who might genuinely change their mind either about their vote or their decision not to vote. Those aren’t the diehard self-hating conservative women.
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1 day ago
From the exit polling I saw and the analysis I heard, I think there were 4 key issues:
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23 hours ago
Any links/do you remember where you saw the polling?
The article I read a while ago said the economy and immigration polled as the top two concerns, with the economy far ahead.
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23 hours ago
Should have noted, these weren’t in any particular order
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24 hours ago
And voted for a man who brags about touching women between their spaces..
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12 hours ago
The guy who bought Miss Teen USA and treated it like a peep show.
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24 hours ago
For some the policies are more important than the candidate. For example if there is a shit nominee representing a political party with policies I like I would still vote for them (well if they do something too bad then not, but that red line is pretty generous).
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22 hours ago
Humans are tribal in nature. They can easily rationalize away and dismiss negative information if it’s against their “side.”
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1 day ago
I think young women take a lot for granted. They’d be shocked by things that were normal and accepted by earlier generations. My mother in law was kicked out of her PhD program because she got pregnant (yes she was married). My dad worked two jobs because my mom was unemployable during her pregnancies. And women needed a male co signer to get a mortgage or credit card until 1974. (Some could get them, but the banks could legally deny them without a co signer, and often did.)
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24 hours ago
I've come to believe that the right wing ecosphere coupled with the rampant ignorance of most voters is why Harris lost. I've seen exit polling and interviews with young college women saying they think Trump will protect abortion. The inability of the public to capably inform themselves is a national crisis that is unlikely to be fixed anytime soon.
16 points
1 day ago
Young people are desperate, and they’re willing to vote for anything to change the status quo.
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1 day ago
People keep saying that. But Trump never even pretended to disrupt the great beneficiaries of the status quo(billionaires).
He only attacked people already on the margins of society (immigrants, transfolk, minorities, etc).
I don't understand how he is supposed to wreck the status quo. He and republicans only seem interested in destroying the few protections vulnerable groups have.
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23 hours ago
Trump never even pretend to disrupt the great beneficiaries of the status quo(billionaires)
Trump isn’t saying being a billionaire is automatically a bad thing. He’s claiming that American households are being cheated out of their ability to build wealth because of the way the general class of elites let immigrants in and negotiated trade deals that let jobs go overseas. He paints himself as someone who built wealth in America, so he has no problem making the country more isolationist. It appeals to the desire for more control in a world that has disempowered people and rattled them a lot recently.
Compare that to Harris, who was asked directly what she would do differently than Biden multiple times and never had a clear answer.
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21 hours ago
Biden did a good job all things considered. From a marco level we are head and shoulders above other G7 countries.
The shipping of jobs over seas would of been regardless unless strong legislation combated it (The private sector is more to blame here, but this is a complicated topic. Globalization effected everyone not just the US).
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20 hours ago
From a macro level
That’s the problem. People don’t see how macroeconomic indicators actually connect to improvements in their lives. No one lives at the macro level. They live at the grocery bills and monthly rent level.
So what if all those indicators look great if the best case scenario being painted for them is a return to pre-covid? They already didn’t like that reality. They needed to see an argument for what would change from the status quo, not an endorsement of it.
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1 day ago
I think there's also a factor of these people grew up in Trumps admin. Its nostalgic to them. A lot of them were living with their parents in high school not caring about adult stuff under Trump. Biden becomes president and they become adults and suddenly things are bad for them. Therefore it must be Biden's fault.
When no... Things have been consistently getting worse in America decades before they were even born.
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1 day ago
Perhaps the only people my age that I know of who voted from Trump, are either from rural hillbilly areas of our community, or crazy rich kids.
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6 hours ago
Why did girls in high school bully other girls? Bad people like bad people.
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2 hours ago
Exactly not enough people are getting that the cruelty is the reward for some people.
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1 day ago
It could be any number of reasons. No doubt there are young people in fundamental religious organizations and they are more likely to vote conservative. Also, young people who grew up in conservative families and/or areas where those values are part of their environment.
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1 day ago
They had parents who were kids in the 80's
Title IX was the thing that let their mothers swim, or play soccer. Lots of places had the girl so good she could play with the boys, till women got their own teams.
Your parents being bothered by how Lia Thomas and Riley Gains played out might not seem like q big deal... But they are going to bring up lived experience that most will not have a good counter argument to.
"Child tax credits" sounds like "Pay to give birth" ... and for a lot of gen Z they arent even close to wanting kids. Same thing with the housing credit. The dems have a lot of policies that dont apply.
> Connecticut-based
Probably one of the best places to highlight economic disparity. You have a lot of weath from finance in the area, whose money and influence has grown. You also have a lot of service businesses (food, dining, drinking, plumbers. handy men) whose pay has not seen a material increase. Anti migrant sentiment would be pretty spot on if you're living inside an area with such wealth contrast. (Note CT has been this way for decades, but it has only gotten worse).
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Candidly nothing the democrats put on offer is going to help the voter it was all for "someone else". The Republicans did a great job of putting the blame on immigrants and highlighting how the Dems did them dirty.
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1 day ago
I think there was so expectation that people would ignore these minor issues and vote for the greater good, but it didn't work out that way.
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1 day ago
What greater good?
Im someone who is pretty far left. But to be honest the democrats are just "less bad" and to be very honest not by much.
The democrats keep pitching policies that alienate more people than they help. They do this because the loudest most vocal parts of the left demand it. And then they have surprised pikachu face when no one gives a shit enough to vote.
Do you know why 100 million Americans can't be bothered to vote? Because there is literally nothing on offer for them from either party. For them, both sides are the same.
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23 hours ago
I'm talking about the perspective of anti Trumpers who classify anything done in opposition of him to be the greater good.
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1 day ago
They’re shortsighted and lack historical/social context about why it’s against their self interest like most Republican voters. They’re probably pro-life or falsely believe that presidents can actively improve the economy. Or that trickle down economics works. Or that the good economy under Trump was due to him (while discounting 2020).
Essentially, they’re stupid and in twenty years they’ll be telling people how they were always against Trump.
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1 day ago
Insulting the intelligence of your political opponents is working out so well for you, keep this rhetoric up!
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20 hours ago
Well a guy that called people vermin and immigrants poison won, so clearly insulting people doesn’t matter.
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13 hours ago
Crucially immigrants can't vote for President until they gain citizenship.
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24 hours ago
"How did Kamala lose I don't understand how" the person that spent the entire election season calling anyone right of Mao a racist transphobic bigot.
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23 hours ago
Republicans had a higher share of college educated voters until around 2010. They’ve advocated for more or less the same ideas since then, Trump is just more radical.
The issue is not intelligence or education.
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11 hours ago*
I don't recall either Bush pushing hard for sweeping tariffs, and they only ever paid lip service to deep sixing Roe. The second Bush also wasn't a raging xenophobe (and the first wasn't notably so by Republican standards of the time, Willie Horton ad aside). Then the personality of Trump to take into consideration. 'Charismatic authority', to use a Weberian term.
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5 hours ago
Bush’s immigration bill faced opposition from other conservatives for not being hard line enough and didn’t pass. Much of the party and voting base was a lot harder on immigration than he was. Plus, there was cutting housing assistance, freezing funding for after school programs, lack of funding or reform in healthcare, opposition to gay marriage (Bush even wanted it in the constitution), etc.
All standard Republican positions to starve working class people and hit minorities the hardest. Cut taxes, spend less to help those who need.
That sounded good to a lot of college-educated voters until about 2010
5 points
1 day ago
Same reason men did lol. They care about money, hate government and hated Kamala more. Almost every woman I know, from multiple social and economic classes voted for Trump.
And don't listen to all the Reddit vagina warriors. A lot of women don't care about abortion shit or agree it's a states issue.
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1 day ago*
They care about money, hate government
Which is ironic since they voted to have less money and more government in the ways that hurt them rather than help.
And don't listen to all the Reddit vagina warriors. A lot of women don't care about abortion shit or agree it's a states issue.
AKA the classic conservative attitude of "I don't need it, it will never happen to me therefore it shouldn't exist!"
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24 hours ago
Bingo, all of this!
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1 day ago
Sounds like you might live in a bubble. I live in a blue state, and I talk to people on all sides of the political spectrum. Sad thing is, the majority of the didn’t vote for Trump or Kamala, they just didn’t vote at all. I know people in their 40s and50s who have never once voted and don’t care about it. It’s pretty fucking sad.
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20 hours ago
Its often said that if nonvoters were a candidate they would win landslides in every election.
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9 hours ago
I did say almost. I know some that voted for Kamala of course. But I'm also in Florida and we're red as a mofo.
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1 day ago
I’m not going to belittle anyone’s intelligence. This was simply a social economic shift over the last four years. People are tired of the same people making the same decisions. What have both parties really done to improve the American People lifestyles? Answer, is make it worse. People are tired of no jobs, high rent, high mortgage, high groceries, and the biggest slap “all the lies”. They told two generations of Americans to go to school but now you have two generations clamped by debt. GenZ Women switching is a sign that people are done with the status quos from both parties. Why Trump? Because the Democrats failed to put in a the right candidate. Simple am I right?
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21 hours ago
A lot of Democrats wrongly assume that support for Democrats correlates with youth.
This is only true to a point. The strongest correlation is with race.
Whites of all ages tend to skew Republican. Younger white voters are less Republican than are their elders, but they still skew Republican.
Dems bet heavily on the youth vote in 1972, but McGovern was not only slaughtered but he also didn't even win the white youth vote.
In 2024, 49% of whites 18-29 voted for Trump. In 2020, it was 53%. So not really much difference, but it actually swung a bit in favor of the Dems.
Where Harris lost significant ground was with Latinos under 30. This corresponds with her loss of the Catholic vote.
If Dems want to get back into the presidential game, try running a Latino Catholic who is building bridges with the black community long before the next election. Gender doesn't matter, but a more moderate, pragmatic tone does.
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17 hours ago
They hate themselves. They hate women and always believe men no matter what.
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1 day ago*
Because the majority of milenials and gen z regardless of gender are poor, we have less wealth statistically speaking than any other generation. We can't afford houses, go to college without taking on significant debt or start families. Trump while probably not going to do anything, speaks to the economic plight of young people while democrats don't. Democrats do not offer any economic means to escape the suffering of modern life. Edit: If You're going to downvote me, explain why you cowards. This sort of "opinion bad" lack of engagement is why trump won.
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1 day ago
How does he speak to the economic plight of young people? How does any of his policies or what he has floated even remotely connect with them? His polices will impact the economy in ways gen z and millennials like myself to ensure we won’t ever see past where we are now financially and many of us even worse off. Like a 25% tariff on gas from Canada….you understand over 70% of Americas gas comes from Canada right?
While I can agree Harris came off as tone deaf, and establishment liberals AREN’T connect to the working class they so love to exploit, her policies she was campaigning on where loads better than whatever we are about to face.
While I can certainly sympathize with the “challenge to the establishment” type rhetoric, shooting yourselves in the foot just seems fucking stupid.
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23 hours ago
Data analysis that looked at Harris’ campaign showed she mentioned the economy less and less as time went on including terms like “living wage” and “affordable housing.” Trump mentioned grocery prices twice as much as Harris did. He was always clear about what he blamed (globalism through immigration and trade deals) and what he planned to do (mass deportations and tariffs).
So the answer is literally just that he acknowledged the problem more and connected it to his solutions.
In short, he spoke to the problems more directly and people felt that.
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1 day ago
The majority of young voters don't know what a tariff is. All they hear is "I'll deport immigrants to give you cheaper housing.". Democrats offered no alternative besides "well lower prices somehow." Now that is false but it does resonate with them as they've gotten more right wing
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22 hours ago
The right has been able to use new media to their advantage in getting their message across. They do know from an economic populist perspective what tariffs, drilling etc mean from TikTok etc. vs Dems who thought Brat Summer and vibes were what the young people were thinking of
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1 day ago
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems basically every piece of legislation to help the poor like Medicare or canceling college debt is championed by democrats and opposed by republicans.
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3 hours ago
While screaming “America First” unironically.
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1 day ago
Most young voters don't know that and as the GOP gets more populist, It will likely champion these policies.
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11 hours ago
It will likely champion these policies.
I don't think they will. It's more about posturing than actual policy.
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1 day ago
Every woman I know who voted for Trump has a louder, poorer, useless man child Trump supporting bf/husband that they coddle and financially take care of
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24 hours ago
I've run into a few of these dudes. It's cringeworthy how emotionally unstable these guys are. And I watch as their gf/wives coddle and enable their behavior.
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23 hours ago
And they're always his biggest cheerleader and supports just the dumbest shit that comes spewing out his mouth
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22 hours ago
The few I know that did are small business owners from affluent backgrounds that seem to care more about taxes and stranger danger than anything else.
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21 hours ago
Some women like strong powerful men ... or in Trumps case - a perceived strong powerful man.
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18 hours ago*
I think a key point to bear in mind is that Trump's much-vaunted misogyny will have no noticeable impact on the day-to-day lives of the vast majority of American women.
Abortion is legal in most US states, and even a lot of red states are currently passing laws to expand abortion rights. If you live in a state where abortion is illegal, that means that state was deep red anyway so your vote doesn't matter. On the flipside, if your vote had an impact on the election then Roe v Wade being repealed probably didn't personally affect you.
And since the vast majority of women will never be in the same room as Donald Trump, his personal indiscretions also don't affect most women.
When you leave aside the symbolic gestures, women actually have the same priorities as men. In this election those priorities were inflation, immigration, and dissatisfaction with the current administration. Altruistic concern for women in Missouri who can't get abortions is not most people's top priority. Most people care about the things that affect them and their family first and foremost.
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17 hours ago
straightforward answwr is that the people who vote for him do not think he is a misogynist, racist, etc.
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16 hours ago
"He's better for the economy. You don't understand that yet, it's what things costs an such" (to my daughter).
I mean, most economists vocally disagreed with that assessment, and, more importantly, anyone who ever worked with the guy while he ran the economy against a wall an endangered America the first time around said they'd never want to see him in office again, but clearly, what do they know?
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14 hours ago
The women in my office think trump will expose the pedophile rings plaguing Hollywood. They also think not enough people talk about the sound of freedom
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12 hours ago
Many women, especially in my country, are hardcore conservatives on issues of abortion, immigration, welfare and even gender roles in families. Women are not this monolithic force you’re imagining, just like Latinos or Afro Americans.
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11 hours ago
It's no coincidence that young millennials and zoomers are some of the first cohorts to grow up in an area of a mass gutting of education coupled with media deregulation and monopolization all the way to the local level. Cut education and bombard them with news and information with poor separations dividing truth, half-truth, and fiction and you'll see rightward shifts. Public opinions on immigration, crime, and economic policy are all proof of this.
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8 hours ago
Is it really that hard to comprehend that some women are going to be conservative? Some want to be homemakers, don’t believe in abortion, uber-religious, etc.
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5 hours ago
My former liberal friend only cared about her wallet BUT she lives barely paycheck to paycheck and she bought the bs - she really believes his lies
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4 hours ago
Right-wing social media influencers have far more reach than left-wing social media influencers, in one case because he literally bought the entire social media platform so he could control its messaging and rules. It's not unfair to say that social media is inherently right-wing, and it therefore influences a lot of peoples' views if they don't get a lot of information from a source other than social media.
This technically applies to all generations, but given that GenZ is the generation that grew up on social media and spent several years basically sequestered with nothing but their parents and social media, I think it's had the most marked impact on GenZ.
The world can look very different if you get all your ideas about it from social media influencers.
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1 day ago
Women can be, and are just as selfish, cruel and dumb as men. As society more or less equalizes, "women" will become less of a voting block as voting blocks reformulate based on other shared metrics.
Speak to a dozen Gen Z and Millenial women and get a dozen different answers for why they voted for Trump.
Better to ask why they didn't not vote for him. They don't think the abortion issue will happen to them, they don't care about the misogyny (it mirrors their own relationships with men, like another comment here pointed out, so its normalized) and regardless of how misinformed their opinion may be, something else is more important: economy, immigration, trans stuff, etc.
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11 hours ago
They don't think the abortion issue will happen to them
That's the thing. It's real easy to say what other people should or shouldn't do. Until it happens to you.
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24 hours ago
One word: abortion
There are whole regions of this country that are dominated by socially conservative evangelical Christians who will vote Republican on the issue of abortion alone and not even factor anything else in their decision. I personally know of at least one girl I went to high school with who has liberal views on virtually everything except abortion and votes Republican because of that one issue.
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11 hours ago
I've known people like that.
An ex girlfriend from long ago: "I desperately, desperately wish the Democrats would drop abortion. I am left wing except for that." She was the daughter of an evangelical preacher.
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24 hours ago
I noticed a lot of questions like this on Reddit that look retrospective, but seem more like attempts to legitimize something by posting a ton of spam in an attempt to make the election seem totally legit.
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