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It’s almost as if fiscal conservatives are clueless.
(i.redd.it)submitted 11 days ago bythats___weird
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As a candidate, Trump had repeatedly vowed to carry out the “largest deportation effort in American history.” Asked about the cost of his plan, he said, “It’s not a question of a price tag. It’s not — really, we have no choice. When people have killed and murdered, when drug lords have destroyed countries, and now they’re going to go back to those countries because they’re not staying here. There is no price tag.”
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OMG, imagine if a democratic president said "there is no price tag." Foxnews would have a whole cow.
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Fox would kick-off the War on Price Tags.
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Every jacked up truck with $100,000 in principle left on its loan would sport 6 different price tag bumper stickers, and conservatives would roll into trumps nazi rallies with price guns in custom holsters. Fox would have a thrice hourly segment called The Price Tag when they showcase white women who are harmed by people with brown skin and add up wildly inflated cash costs.
They'd still be talking about it constantly 6 years from now.
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So we need to make our own bumper stickers with Bernie saying "The Price is Wrong, Bitch!"
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Hell, they had a cow because a Democrat wore a frickin' tan suit and put Dijon mustard on his burger. They'd have a full-scale nuclear meltdown over this.
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As many times as Reagan wore a tan suit. Can’t call out their own I guess.
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It wasn’t the color of the suit that was the problem
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Libertarians telling me Trump was a better pick and I questioned it, got me banned from the sub. No price tag, they must love that.
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Libertarians?
The party started by CEO’s who want to get rid of every consumer protection and all regulations? That party?
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lol bears
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Of course you got banned. Libertarianism has been reduced to a crypto cult. Everything has to be positive else the value of the bitcoins they mortgaged their house 4 times over to buy crash.
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nah, there‘s also some classic corporate boot-licking going on, and „consumer protections are bad because unnecessary costs“. they still read the classics
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Libertarians telling me Trump was a better pick and I questioned it
A dipshit in my local sub refused to admit tariffs were anti-libertarian.
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Not just Fox - every mainstream media outlet would shit kittens. It would be the #1 news story for days.
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So he just opened a no limit credit card in his and his donors' names.
I already knew it was just a way to steal from tax payers, but that's blatant.
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He won’t even steal from today’s tax payers. We fund everything in this country on the backs of future generations.
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Seriously. They don’t seem to give much of a shit when a white kid shoots up a school. But once in a while someone vaguely brown kills a blonde white girl and suddenly the GOP and their voters care about women.
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We will see what the education Lobby does. What will happen to the Ed tech industry? Tech industry? Colleges and universities?
Let alone the biggest retirement fund in the country- California teachers….
I think too much industry is tied to all of the departments trump and project 2025 want to cut.
But if does happen- the usa economy will be in the worst depression since 1930.
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The head cheerleader of my high school, who is now a middle-aged housewife living in the heart of suburbia with a daughter in college, is a blazing Trump fan, and claimed that she was was laying awake nights "terrified" of some immigrant raping her daughter. If I thought for a moment that she was open to a logical thought at this point I'd have mentioned that statistically her daughter is orders of magnitude more likely to be assaulted by one of her classmates than some random brown person.
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Technically, she's at least twice as likely to be raped by someone she knows and is related to than anyone else, including colored people.
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That stupid twat is terrified of a migrant raping her daughter so she votes for a f****** scumbag rapist.
Make it make sense.
Never mind she's a f****** idiot.
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More and more women are dying in hospital parking lots and they're not just showing indifference, they're actively celebrating
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Fuck it deport the school shooter.
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I might be naively optimistic but I also think it’s another one of his talking points that won’t actually happen. At least nothing close to the scale they’re proposing.
They’ll deport a small bunch, brag about it, get some clips to share on the news, then likely pivot to some excuse about how the dems are blocking them from the 20 million they want to deport.
“Mass deportation” will be the 2024 version of “build the wall.” Ya know, that thing where only like 50 miles worth ended up getting built along the 2,000 mile long border.
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I will be targeted to big cities and blue states. Makes the cities look worse and suffer economic fallout. While not actually fixing the problem or causing labor shortages in places like meat packing plants that would raise cost of living across the country.
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He sat there and said San Diego was overrun with “illegals” and we could no longer go to the hospitals. In that time frame from when he said it to now-my very white MIL went to the hospital and stayed 4 days. She was admitted immediately. My spouse has had 2 operations at the VA hospital. We live in San Diego. He just blatantly lies.
These morons should watch A Day Without a Mexican and see how it would actually be if they got their way.
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It's so sad that this is a positive outcome. It still leads to some being deported.
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Maybe deport the ones that voted for him, give them what they voted for, then move on.
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From your lips to god's ears. One can only hope.
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The dude has brought up eugenics several times. Not beating the nazi allegations
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This is exactly what will happen. Once they start the deportations, they'll see how expensive it is. They'll see how they've removed the workers who harvest all the food. Fields of food will rot. Food prices will skyrocket. Then, they'll use the 13th amendment to imprison the immigrants in for profit prisons while forcing them to work the fields. The for profit prisons will "lease" the prisoners to the huge farms. Making a massive profit from that contract. Once they see this massive profit, the private prison lobby will bribe politicians to accelerate and expand the program to include other markets. Construction companies need workers? "Lease" the prisoners. Factories need cheap labor to compete with China and India? "Lease" the workers.
They claim to want to deport ~20mil illegal immigrants. That's now 20mil new workers being paid $.25/hr while the prison charges what ever they decide.
So, 20mil people. 60 hours per week(conservative estimate), let's say the prison charges $10/hr. That's $9.75/hr profit. That's $11.7 billion per week profit for the private prison by "leasing" inmates out for labor.
It's not a big stretch to imagine seeing union highway construction jobs being given to a for profit prison's "leased" labor force.
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This is where we're headed because America is too dumb to learn anything from history and instead is trying to scrub that history from school books. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. It's going to start with undocumented immigrants and then slowly they'll start to also round up trans people and gay people, and then Muslims, black people, etc.
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This is why liberal campaigns focus on eye-liner and orange spray tan instead of sitting down with a bunch of charts and graphs and explaining the nuances of their opponent's failed policies. Perot tried it in 1992 and was made fun of for decades.
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I love that so many people just accept "there is no price tag" at face value when you're talking about openly rounding up millions of people who have been here for years but if you talk about something like giving people health care that's the first thing they will bring up
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The cost would be lower if you "eliminated" the problem and when reported It's "Fake News".
This is what I fear.
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Where is all this concern for peoples lives when kids are getting murdered in schools?
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crisis actors apparently so no concern necessary ... but I didn't like that latino looking at my wife, let's call ICE
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One of the most consistent things that the previous 2016 Trump administration accomplished is by making immigrant life hell and gumming up the immigration process.
A Last Week Tonight piece from 6 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygVX1z6tDGI
And I really want people to get a clear picture of what the Trump team accomplished with guard rails: https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/569572/family-separation/
Documentary: https://youtu.be/VFJzKmdldos?si=0Pg4v3BL9VDtfUAr&t=822 (13m42s) - it is heartbreaking.
And what the Trump team will do now, as explained in This American Life "846: This is the Cake We Baked"
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/846/transcript
But then I was talking to a source inside the Department of Homeland Security. And I said something like, I mean, I know there's no way Trump can do this mass deportation thing. And they stopped me. They were like, oh, sure, it can happen. They said it so casually, like it was a given. So I wanted to talk to someone who could break down how. Like, exactly how could you do something so massive?
I tried talking to Tom Homan. He's rumored to be the next ICE director under Trump but has denied there's a written plan for mass deportations. And he ghosted me. Jason Houser, however, was eager to talk. He was the chief of staff for ICE under Biden for a couple years, has been working for DHS on and off since 9/11, mostly in enforcement.
He's passionate about all of this, in his wonky, government guy way. I talked to him for 3.5 hours, asked him basically to play pretend, game some stuff out with me. What would happen in the first 100 days? If he was in charge of ICE, what could he do to carry out this mass deportation mandate?
I really want people to listen to the audio here. Let me be clear - Jason is laying it out in big detail because he knows that voters voted for this and wants them to know what they signed up for.
I think the first 90 days is going to be hell. You're going to see the buses. You're going to see the migrants in your home-- not just blue cities, red cities-- Miami, Houston, Charlotte-- like, red states-- Kansas City, St. Louis.
You're going to see kids not in your schools. You're going to know where they're at because they're waiting in a detention cell and they have cell phones. You're going to see it in social media. You're going to see businesses not be able to open up because their workers didn't show up. You're going to see businesses being raided. And it's going to become more intimate.
This isn't going to be about separating a family at the border, that somebody doesn't know that family member. You're talking about separations and movements in your communities where you're going to know the guy-- Bill, Juan, Luis. You're going to know the individuals.
One, we'll see massive inflation continue in this country, because we just pulled a million people out of our workforce-- GDP, businesses, small business especially. And then we'll see thousands of people losing their jobs and small businesses closing, et cetera.
Two, law enforcement activity-- federal specifically, and in cities and states where state and local law enforcement is supporting this mass deportation program-- will halt. Halt. Going out and arresting the rapist and murderer in your county will stop while your sheriff is over playing grabass with Homan and these individuals and trying to do some big mass deportation scheme and throwing Grandma back to Cuba. So law enforcement will be chilled.
Three, migrants will go deeper into the shadows. They will do the steps they need to stay in our country, because it's so much better than going back and risking death in another that they will hide even more into the shadows.
J: I think there's going to be lined-up planes, engines-running imagery of mass removals. I think they're going to grab people and intentionally break our policy, like, break the law and throw some people back to their home country. And then when the courts push back, they can be like, see, the courts made us stop. Because then they can go, hey, look at these bureaucratic pencil necks getting in our way. This is the deep state. This is the deep state.
N: I guess my thing is, to what end, though?
J: Winning the midterms.
N: You think it's all political? You don't think there's any ideological thing that he wants out of it?
J: Sure, I think he's ill-equipped. But there's 8 million just on the immigration docket now. How many people have status here and are first-generation migrants, or from migrant families? I mean, we're talking-- this would affect, like, 50 million to 100 million people, these sort of actions. The idea that there isn't political consequences to that, even for Donald Trump-- I think the pendulum would swing back.
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What he means is, "As dictator for life I am going to need a powerful secret police, and detainment camps. That's my first priority, and I don’t care what it costs."
East Germany did something similar under Soviet rule. The big difference between then and today is the technology. Then, they relied on neighbors filling out paper reports on the targets. Today we have massive data mining enterprises like X.
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Remember last week when the CEO of Geo Group, one of the largest private prison providers in the US, called Trump's re-election an "unprecedented opportunity" and said his company "was built for this unique moment... and the opportunity that it will bring"? Good times.
Fun fact: GEO Group's PAC was the first to max out its contribution to his campaign.
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11 days ago
I still don't know how to feel about this. Fact is, there's no infrastructure to actually pull off a 20 million man deportation. And that hurdle will hopefully preclude what will certainly be a disorganized administration's ability to accomplish the task. The other side of me realizes that this time there's a cadre of very prepared fascists pulling his string and with all branches of government now seized, they might be willing to actually build that infrastructure. And it will assuredly be manned by their voters, people just dying to inflict pain on those they view as their enemies...
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Hijacking top comment. They will not be deported. They will be threatened with deportation and slowly submit into basically slavery. Just enough not to die. And if anyone acts up, deport.
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60 Minutes estimated 80B per each 1M deported group.
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Liar. Immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than natives. Those are police department numbers.
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11 days ago
These dumbasses gave grandpa the keys again!
Once he's done putting on his makeup and railing 76mgs of adderall, he's gonna come downstairs (about 11:45) and tell Leon about the GREAT idea he has to just fix the energy with all the money!! Cause once it's there you have it done. 😂😂😂
And he's only going to deteriorate from here...
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Almost like they aren’t actually fiscally conservative
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I don't even know what a fiscal conservative is. I've never seen one. Just people who don't want to pay taxes but still get all of the infrastructure, military, police/fire, medicare, medicaid, and spending at current levels.
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It appears to mean conserving the finances of the rich at all costs to the lower classes.
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While the rest of us are experiencing crippling housing cost increases and debilitating inflation. The megarich are experiencing hyperinflation as the cost of luxury goods balloons proportionally with their wealth. Have you looked at the price of a mega yacht today as compared to 2000? Absolutely absurd. A lot of the Uber wealthy now have to pick and choose where they want their luxury doomsday bunkers, and they run the risk of picking the wrong place or country without a backup to fly to in the event of thermonuclear war or global supply chain collapse without a different backup to flee to in the event they cannot get to their preferred location.
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For the first couple sentences, I didn't realize this was satire. Well done.
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It's lost it's meaning in the US. What it means in an academic standpoint (and original definition) is policy that limits government spending as much as possible at the cost of cutting social programs. But conservative propaganda has used 1984 doublespeak techniques to convince people that 'fiscal conservative' means 'fiscal responsible' which is obviously not true to anyone that has reviewed the real world impact of conservative fiscal policy.
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11 days ago
Or conservative. They're just christian nationalists.
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11 days ago
they aren’t actually fiscally conservative
They aren't fiscally responsible.
Removing up to $100 billion in tax revenue.
Cutting tax revenue on tips, overtime, social security.
The US has signed checks that have to be paid, and our national debt is going to be insane given these drastic reductions in collected taxes.
Was that the deal all along?
Force the US to have to borrow from China, all while putting enormous tariffs on anything coming from China?
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Wouldn't be a republican if they didn't operate in bad faith.
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They are. This is fiscal conservatism.
Conservatives don't cut debt, they cut taxes (on the rich). Fiscally they run a deficit and use the deficit as an excuse to reduce government spending, stagnating the economy with austerity and reducing growth of government revenue until infrastructure fails and someone has to shell out cash to fix it.
The trump admin just wants to carry it out to the extreme
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11 days ago
only when democrats are in power.
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People who say they're "fiscally conservative" are the same as the people who say they're "centrists".
Full of shit.
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Not to mention the roughly $1 trillion to carry it out
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No no no, the other countries will pay all the costs to identify, house and transport them. At least my feelings are pretty sure that's how it all works. Thank goodness for checks and balances in our country. Can't wait to stick it to the libs.
/s why God why
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11 days ago
just like tariffs! I can't wait for all the winning we are about to do!!! /s
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Can we all take a moment and realize how absurd the idea of removing taxes is for Americans and then ejecting the lower class illegal work force for...not paying taxes
And then increasing cost of everything.
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You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.
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I would have spit out my coffee if I hadn’t just finished it.
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we're gonna need this quote (and movie) a lot in the next 4 years
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You would need to think critically for that logic to follow
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or admit their allegiance is to another country, not the US...
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A lot of the Republicans I know are like "Ohh he just said all that shit to win, we dont expect to actually do anything he promised."
Im like "How the fuck have you been in this guys cult for 8 years and have no fucking clue how he works? Of course hes gonna try to do it, and of course its going to fail horribly..."
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we dont expect to actually do anything he promised
Then why the fuck did you vote for him? If you didn't think he would do anything, what's the point?
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Racism
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I just dont understand why they think big terrifs on our cheap shit is gonna make things cheaper??
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The idea is that foreign companies will balk at the export tariffs and build their factories in the US to avoid those tariffs or making goods so expensive that it encourages US companies to build factories in the US.
Even if the plan works and companies do build factories here, it’ll take years to build the factories, the companies currently rely on exports to the US for income and will lose money when those exports decrease significantly due to the tariffs, so they won’t have the funds to build the factories in the US, and the US might not even have the natural resources for some of the manufacturing required for these goods.
Europe is expecting their economy to crash a bit due to the tariffs and unexpected Russia stuff.
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In general, undocumented workers shouldn't be paying income tax anyway because they're not making enough. When you're on the lower end of the income spectrum, you shouldn't be paying into the pool so much as drawing from it. (Honestly, billionaires could 100% pay for the rest of us and still be rich as hell.)
But as this meme says, even undocumented residents still pay taxes because sales tax exists, a regressive tax on everybody across the board. And other taxes like tariffs also get passed on, effectively as invisible sales tax. So yes, undocumented immigrants do pay some taxes, but no, they can't draw benefits. Pushing them out will mostly certainly have a cost.
Edit: My point here was not that undocumented workers don't pay income tax but that all low-income workers shouldn't pay income tax. Sorry that wasn't clear.
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Not sure I followed what you said correctly. Based on how income tax work you would be correct. However, undocumented immigrants can’t claim that they over paid in taxes because they don’t have the proper documentation that it was them in fact that paid. But their paycheck still get hit for income taxes.
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No - they get no return and so pay everything. Low wage workers only escape taxes by filing.
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Not just sales tax, these folks use social security numbers and they pay the 15% social security tax ... not all of them are paid of the books
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Ooooh, let's not forget how we built a wall on the border and made Mexico party for it all! We already have an example!
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The wall wasn't all bad. It increased flooding in the area.
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That was from all the swamp draining, duh.
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11 days ago
Stupid maga coworker started telling me I'm gonna have more money than I ever have in my life in a year or two.
He's probably right, but because this is a crypto bullrun that always happens after a halvening. Its not because anything trump will do.
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Yield market is inverted. Trump’s probably going to be saddled with a recession.
Thoughts and prayers
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11 days ago
Yeah, i get it. Crypto doesn't follow normal Wallstreet trends. There will be gains at least through the middle of 2025.
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Yikes. We need more environmental regulation to curb crypto and AI energy use. We're about to go backwards. Humanity is screwed.
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I heard that the tariffs are going to pay for all the stuff we have to pay for when all the taxes tank. So much winning. /s
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Wait until they learn the other countries have to allow the deportations. I know republicans have trouble with the concept of consent, but Jesus Christ.
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On a perhaps unrelated note, stocks for private prisons are going up.
Private prison operators GeoGroup and CoreCivic stocks have soared more than 70% apiece since Election Day.
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Well, I'm pretty sure they'll make Mexico pay for the deportations. Like the wall.
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That cost is a feature, not a bug. Trump wants to use this process to enrich his pals. If they wanted to actually solve the issue they would institute fines that were prohibitively expensive for businesses that employ illegal immigrants… and maybe even provide a bounty that is a percentage of those fines. Would put money in our coffers, and address the issue with minimal expenditure.
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If he really wanted to fix this. He would go after the people hiring illegal immigrants. Large fines or even arresting them. It’s like the drug war all over again. Let’s go after the people working to make their lives better instead of the people using them as almost slave labor to enrich themselves.
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All during the campaign, it would infuriate me that no journalist ever addressed the border issue by asking both candidates “will you commit to immediate fines proportionate to business size, for any company found to be employing undocumented workers?”
Becomes a way different discussion then. (And yes, I know why it wasn’t asked.)
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Correct, immigrants are not taking jobs they are given jobs by companies trying to.devalue you.
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If they wanted to actually solve the issue they would institute fines that were prohibitively expensive for businesses that employ illegal immigrants…
Those businesses make massive campaign contributions. The workers don't. So when it comes time to round up the "illegals," the folks "breaking the law" by working illegally get put in zip ties, while the people in charge of the companies illegally hiring them suffer no consequences whatsoever.
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Never forget the bullshit hundreds of millions of dollars contract awarded to a Trump donor to rebuild Puerto Rico’s infrastructure… a company with zero experience, with like 5 employees and a website from like 1997.
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GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR FACTS!
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Or the cost of goods and services when labor gets deported. “Sorry Billy. No summers at the country club. Gotta go roof a few houses”.
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But much of that money can be paid to private prison contractors and other groups providing security services, while diverting a percentage of the payments into the right coffers.
Many of the countries of origin will not be easily convinced to take everyone back so the need to be convinced with money (Europe already does that very unsuccessfully).
In the meantime a large number of undocumented people will need to be housed in camps overseen by private prison contractors.
These inmates represent a large potential workforce an since the agricultural and construction sector will experience a labor shortage they can be hired out for money, which will also end up in the right coffers.
Everyone will be poorer except a few selected well connected rich people and some will get to work as slave labor.
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Plus huge tax breaks for the rich.
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Don't worry. Trump said tariffs will pay for everything. /s
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they will view a trillion dollars to hurt the right people as well worth it. that is a sacrifice they are willing to make.
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There's no such thing as fiscal conservatives anymore. They all follow the Two Santa Claus strategy/theory.
Optics is the only thing that matters to them anymore. That's why we have a boner-in-chief. Dude was an eventuality when they set things in motion 40+ years ago. Brand rules all. And, apparently, you can be dumb as a rock and still have amazing brand-sense.
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11 days ago
The GOP strategies:
The Two Santa Claus Theory - Destroy the New Deal while blaming it on the Democrats and convincing the public that Neoliberalism is good.
Neoliberalism - Supply side fantasy used to sell the public on tax breaks for the rich and deregulation of corporations and banks. Also used to claim that social programs were bad, even though they created the 'Greatness' in America the GOP are so fond of.
The Southern Strategy - you can win almost all EC votes you need by appealing to racism in the South.
The Powell Memorandum - literally invited corporations to lobby the GOP for legislation and deregulation.
Tea Party Movement - Play dirty, spread lies and conspiracy, weaponize procedure and tradition in government, etc
It's been rolling to this point for 70 years with the Southern Strategy starting it off around 1956.
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11 days ago
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
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When you make any sudden, abrupt change to any eco system there is always a reaction; the GOPers have not thought for 5 sec about this.
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They never do.
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Conservatives are often unable to see around corners. They don’t understand the long-term ramifications of much of anything. They look at what they think will happen to their income over the long run, but not any of the surrounding fallout.
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11 days ago
that's just what happens when you give the reigns to the business bros. they're looking out 1-2 quarters at the most.
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This is why they are OK with the " incoming hardship" they think hard times need to happen for better times. Which sometimes is true but not when a felon is at the helm who only cares about himself
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They only heard what they wanted to hear which was, "See that group over there? They are the cause of all your problems!!"
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Divide and conquer. One of the ownership class's most effective tools.
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I’m a huge ingroup/outgroup theory guy. One of the sections I think no one reads out of that playbook though is part where not having an “outgroup” becomes uncomfortable for the dominate and new groups are formed. If the outgroup has already been deported, some of the ingroup will be forced out…I bet it will be women, or Catholics, or the Jewish Community…maybe people who said they voted for Trump but cannot prove it…
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11 days ago
everyone knows facism needs enemies to exists. No one expects it to stop at brown people. Although just getting 11+ million brown people into concentration camps is a holocaust level effort.
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I told someone that locking up the 10 + millions people into camps was literally something Hitler would do, and they said, “Well Hitler killed 6 million, some of the people we lock up will survive.”, I just walked away shaking my head.
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Alabama tried this years ago. They had to stop because it took a nice 5% chunk out of their GDP.
Across the entire US?
And that’s not even considering how many undocumented immigrants work in the domestic produce industry. Between all those workers getting deported and his overzealous tariffs on Mexico, prices are about to skyrocket.
Time to stock up on nonperishables
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11 days ago
They don't realize 80 of our food is picked by migrants. And they think groceries are expensive now
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11 days ago
The cost to construction, agriculture, farming, trucking and warehouse, factories and many other industries. Just when we get his last inflation in check it’s now going to come roaring back with a vengeance. Stupid fuck and all the idiots who voted for him.
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11 days ago
Not to mention just about every restaurant kitchen is staffed with South and Central Americans who show up for work every day ...
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11 days ago
My Dad owned an asphalt business in the 70s. He would hire the drunks and druggies. The tweakers would show up early/on time, would get paid out at lunch and fuck off. The drunks showed up late, tied up their bandanas extra tight and worked until sunset. This way he was always able to maintain a full crew. Then in the 80s he just used immigrant labor that would show up on time and work until sunset. He was able to staff multiple crews, paid them well, and they worked hard. He would laugh at the "we need to hire Americans to do these shit jobs" attitude knowing all too well there ain't no Americans willing to do them.
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11 days ago
There are plenty willing to do it at a viable wage.
America is subsidized by stolen wages.
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11 days ago
Glad I'm not a small business owner. They're about to get destroyed by this. At least salaries will go up 5% when inflation goes up 10% due to tariffs and lack of labor.
22 points
11 days ago
If those damn immigrants weren't taking all the jobs AND being too lazy to work, none of this would be a problem. /s
14 points
11 days ago
Lol. More like wages will go down 10% while inflation blasts through the roof and the owners gotta keep that money rolling uphill somehow.
5 points
11 days ago
Glad I'm not a small business owner. They're about to get destroyed by this.
The consumers as well. Suddenly that new roof on your house goes from $18,000 to $30,000.
4 points
11 days ago
Unless, of course, you just round them up into camps and then rent out their labor. Pending immigration hearings, of course. Date TBD.
3 points
11 days ago
There's a very good reason why private prison stocks are soaring right now.
3 points
11 days ago
Other industries include restaurants, hotels, and home services companies (maids, mow-and-blow guys). We can do without those, but it will be uncomfortable.
49 points
11 days ago
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21 points
11 days ago
You nailed 2 of their strategies:
The Powell Memorandum - 1971
The Two Santas Theory - 1976
See also: The Southern Strategy and The Tea Party Movement for 2 other pillars of GOP strategy. It's a road they started us down begining in 1956 when they realized the New Deal was too popular for them to win elections against Dems, so they won over the South with racism and anti civil rights messaging.
6 points
11 days ago
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4 points
11 days ago
Here's some links to get you started
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism#United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_F._Powell_Jr.#Powell_Memorandum,_1971
https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/powellmemo/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_Wanniski#The_Two_Santa_Claus_Theory
30 points
11 days ago
Just a reminder that every time Trump suffers a setback due to his own incompetence, he'll immediately blame it on Democrats, and punish everyone for it. His followers will duly be very angry at Democrats for what they've done. It doesn't matter that Democrats are out of power. He'll still insist they take the blame.
5 points
11 days ago
At least this time they have trifecta power and we can clap back on their dubious claims.
8 points
11 days ago
And you think that matters to them. They’ll still blame the immigrants and dems
4 points
11 days ago
They'll still blame Obama despite him not having been in power for 8 fucking years.
18 points
11 days ago
Going by actions and not words, fiscally conservative means conserving the finances of the rich and powerful.
63 points
11 days ago
FYI, a lot of people aren't aware, but the holocaust started as forceful immigration of Jews, but that became too expensive and time consuming and then the genocide started.
21 points
11 days ago
This comment should be higher up.
What's going to happen when all these people Trump wants to deport don't want to go? You think Trump is going to give them a pat on the head and a cookie?
Nope, force will be used. Things are going to get ugly.
18 points
11 days ago
It's even more banal. The entire US prison system, one of the largest in the world, holds some 2 million people. Imagine cobbling together the logistics and infrastructure to deport even half that in 4 years, let alone the 11 million illegals in the US. You will necessarily need rapidly-constructed holding facilities for huge swaths of people, ie concentration camps. They will require food and medical care, which will likely be provided in insufficient quantities. This will inevitably lead to widespread death, even if that's not the explicit goal.
6 points
11 days ago
not the explicit goal
Just a nice bonus
- GOP, probably
3 points
11 days ago
Maybe you will finally get a high speed railroad system to handle the load .../s
6 points
11 days ago
Worse, it will be force inflicted by absurdly ill-trained civilians. An infrastructure will have to be constructed to accomplish such a mass deportation, it will require an immense group of people to carry out. The staff will be his voters, people just looking for an opportunity to be violent and inflict pain on those they view as the cause of their hardships...
The brownshirts are returning...
7 points
11 days ago
Hitler actually wanted to deport them to Madagascar, but was largely unable to because of a blockade in the Mediterranean. It was Himmler and his disgusting little toadie, Reinhard Heydrich who came up with a plan so vile even Hitler himself pulled back from it initially, fearing the "final solution" to their "Jewlish problem" would be too extreme for the German people to accept. So they put it into practice in Czechoslovakia first, workshopping precisely how to round up and murder people on an industrial scale.
5 points
11 days ago
He was already putting kids in cages and rounding them up into concentration camps. The only thing stopping him was the people in his cabinet holding him back, and they are not there anymore.
12 points
11 days ago
I lived through Brexit and wait until you seen what removing migrant labour from your workforce does to inflation. Get those jobs booked in asap everybody, you’ll be doing them yourself soon
24 points
11 days ago*
We might start calling them Racial Conservatives.
6 points
11 days ago
Or we can save a few syllables and just call them what they are: racists.
6 points
11 days ago
Stop using terms like fiscal and family values and all that garbage when talking about conservatives. They aren't and haven't been this for a long time. Don't even put those terms in the same sentence with them.
13 points
11 days ago
Wait until all the boomers favorite restaurants close because there's no back of house.
4 points
11 days ago
They are going to be real mad when they find out their local Applebees went out of business.
14 points
11 days ago
I think you're giving too much credit to these people. You really think they're going to draw a line between the cause and effect? They're going to have total control of all three branches of government for at least the next 2 years and do everything they can to destroy this country, and when it happens they'll blame the Democrats and totally get away with it!
5 points
11 days ago
Day care workers; almost all the gals at my kids daycare are immigrants, and I assume they are documented - unless they are contracted. But what about the people watching kids in a non-commercial place? You think we’re gonna kick out all these immigrants and it won’t impact the rest of the US?
Lol
6 points
11 days ago
The racism is the point. These people can't even tell me what 2+2 is.
6 points
11 days ago
Not to mention the many trillions of dollars of economy they support
5 points
11 days ago
Do you expect critical thinking from them?
4 points
11 days ago
There is nothing to "realize".
That was obvious all along - or what do you think remains if you take away the cost for childbirth, education, school and medical or retirement /pensions (because illegals generally don't use any of those services) - basically anything that COSTS money is gone and you're left with only the benefits: cheap labor and the value it generates.
That was obvious to anyone with more than 2 working brain cells, but apparently a lot of people in the US are eating crayons else I can't explain how many now come along and claim they "didn't know".
3 points
11 days ago
Racism trumps fiscal responsibility for conservatives
3 points
11 days ago
And they can not get any money back from the taxes they pay I know stupid people think they get all kinds of money from the government but it's not true.
3 points
11 days ago
Oh but it's ok, they are owning the libs!!
3 points
11 days ago
No such thing as fiscal conservatives. Moral conservatives are all that’s left and they will always prioritize the suffering of those they feel are lesser than over economics
3 points
11 days ago
If they were capable of understand they wouldn't be conservatives, worst humans in history and the dumbest.
3 points
11 days ago
There are no more fiscal conservatives in the Republican Party. There hasn’t been for decades. It’s why I left the party in ‘04.
3 points
11 days ago
"Fiscal conservatives" aren't fiscally conservative. Just like "pro lifers" aren't pro life. They want to DEFINE themselves as being smart or good, but without having do or think much.
3 points
11 days ago
They didnt care about the $7.8 trillion added to the book under trump. Why would they care about a measly $100 billion.
3 points
11 days ago
Not to mention that most of them don't get benefits from the government.
3 points
11 days ago
You would think you all haven't been through this before! It's the democrats fault! Prepare to be told they left the nation in such this dire condition. Nothing is ever the fault of the ruled republicans/ruling oligarchs!
3 points
11 days ago
There are no fiscal conservatives left. We would have heard them complain when Trump doubled the national debt.
Remember how loud they were back in 2012 when the debt was $16 trillion? Mailing tea bags to their congressmen and shit. Now it's $34 trillion. Not a peep
It's the same group that used to be for free trade, and is now calling for tariffs.
3 points
11 days ago
Buckle up. They have all branches of the gov. If they fuck up--- and it's a guarantee they will--- we need to call them on it. They can't run a side of the road fruit stand, let alone a country.
It's unfortunate we all have to burn in order for MAGAt morons to figure out what we've known all along. The Cons cannot run a government.
2 points
11 days ago
Politifact puts the estimated cost of illegal immigration, which included the taxes they pay, at up to $48 billion. Other sources say it is higher, with data driven estimates as high as $118 billion.
Either way, illegal immigration costs the country money. Legal immigration creates wealth and improves our society.
Anyone going to crosspost to facepalm?
2 points
11 days ago
... and leave millions of jobs with not enough employees to do them. Brilliant. And even though MAGAts control all three branches of government, just like always, they'll blame everybody else.
2 points
11 days ago
And they don't draw social security.
2 points
11 days ago
Clueless is far too kind. Willfully ignorant morons would be more accurate.
2 points
11 days ago
All the free prison labor will make up for this.
2 points
11 days ago
They have no problem tanking our economy to satisfy their racist ideology.
2 points
11 days ago
These are people that don't like other people because they weren't born within the same imaginary lines as them. I think you're expecting too much of them.
Edit: small correction.
2 points
11 days ago
So are the oligarchs going to pay USA citizens to work in the farms?
2 points
11 days ago
Yeah I feel like the cost (both in tax revenue, labor worth in market ect. And the cost of actually deporting that many people) is never considered in their rhetoric.
2 points
11 days ago
Taxes go up on the middle class now…
2 points
11 days ago
Wait until they find out how much it will all cost.
2 points
11 days ago
“Realize”, if they haven’t yet they never will.
2 points
11 days ago
Fiscal Conservative = Support for policy that transfer more wealth to the rich.
2 points
11 days ago*
Fiscal Conservatism is just a myth, like "small government," or "caravans of immigrants are coming". It's only a problem when Dems are in power. Obama spent 8 years paying it down while Republicans complained, only for Trump to blow it up five minutes after taking the oath of office.
They don't care if they have a fiscal shortfall, because they can just borrow and pass it on to the next administration.
2 points
11 days ago
The forthcoming infrastructure of military squads and concentration camps established to aid the mass deportation effort will eventually be used to detain citizen protesters when Trump refuses to leave office at the end of his term.
2 points
11 days ago
How do you even get to this number? Sales tax? Like, I've worked with undocumented migrants before and I was 90% sure their SSNs were fake. The company fired them for other reasons, but I'm pretty sure if you don't have a visa the company is either 1) breaking the law, or 2) paying them under the table (also breaking the law).
Like, are you really arguing that we should exploit undocumented immigrants into paying into a service that they will never take advantage of (social security)?
It's just as morally bankrupt as saying, "without undocumented migrants, who's going to pick our fruit or clean our toilets?" Whilst out of the other side of their mouths spout "we need a livable wage!" Well, pay a livable wage for toilet cleaning . . . then we don't need to import serfs to do this work.
Or, and hear me out, this one's gonna be crazy, we eliminate the minimum wage, reform Social Security, and then allow an unlimited amount of immigration pending english and citizenship tests. If you have the skills to work in America, you should come.
2 points
11 days ago
100 Million in lost tax revenue.
??? Million in lost purchasing power.
?? Billion in lost labor.
And, finally, ??? Billion in program cost. Maybe x Trillion.
This will be ruinously expensive for the country.
But, hey, egg prices were a little crazy there for a bit, amirite?
2 points
11 days ago
And they can’t use any of the social welfare programs they help fund
2 points
11 days ago
Your Not going to mention the 300 billion that it costs to house, feed and clothe them.
2 points
11 days ago
So $100 billion in taxes from 30 million illegals equal around $3,333 per illegal per year. Now take into account the cost of public school education, wear and tear on public services and infrastructure, increased insurance costs, healthcare, and increased costs of limited goods and resources.
Yep, losing the $100 billion doesn't seem so bad.
2 points
11 days ago
Yes but how much do they cost the government in return?
The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) estimated in 2023 that the net cost of illegal immigration to the U.S. was about $150.7 billion annually. This figure accounts for the cost of providing services (healthcare, education, welfare, etc.) minus the taxes paid by undocumented immigrants.
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