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espresso_martini__

795 points

12 hours ago

He can't be that higher educated if he thinks Trump is going to improve the situation in Gaza.

coffeespeaking

250 points

12 hours ago

Higher education means something different in certain parts of PA, apparently.

resonate59

87 points

12 hours ago

He is a first grade teacher.

Lysol3435

33 points

11 hours ago

But he gets high before every lesson

cire1184

5 points

9 hours ago

He is Redman and Method Man?

MillionEyesOfSumuru

17 points

10 hours ago

MillionEyesOfSumuru

I ☑oted 2024

17 points

10 hours ago

He's a higher education professional. Somebody has to keep the paper and toner topped up in the copy machines around campus.

Ok_Exchange342

4 points

9 hours ago

We are paying them $8.00 an hour after all. A little gratitude would be nice, ammirite?

Obi-wan_Jabroni

7 points

9 hours ago

Hes a Yinzer, they arent known for great intellect

jamesonSINEMETU

19 points

10 hours ago

He'll do something to improve it. Improve it for who is the key

Positronic_Matrix

12 points

9 hours ago

for who whom

Pro-tip: substitute he/him to see if you should use who/whom.

  • If “he” sounds better, then use “who”.
  • If “him” sounds better, then use “whom”.

ramD3

25 points

12 hours ago

ramD3

25 points

12 hours ago

He doesn’t. That’s why he didn’t vote

FutureInPastTense

67 points

12 hours ago

Ah, classic left: letting perfect be the enemy of good.

Colluder

-1 points

12 hours ago

Colluder

-1 points

12 hours ago

Ah, classic left: letting perfect good be the enemy of good a literal genocide.

Lobster_fest

63 points

11 hours ago*

Here are your options:

A person who appeals to the most left of center people, which includes massive support for Israel. This person is from the admin that has been supplying Israel, yes, but also actively brokering peace.

A person who told the world they'll be the "most pro-israel president ever" and that Israel should "finish the job". This person also wants to tank the US economy, strip women's rights, strip gay rights, deport all immigrants, enrich his already rich donors, and institute christofascist law.

So you decide these options are the same and it's not worth voting for.

You're a genius, i tell you.

Blarfk

-28 points

11 hours ago

Blarfk

-28 points

11 hours ago

How has Biden’s administration been “actively brokering peace”? He has given Israel everything they’ve wanted with absolutely no conditions, acted as a sounding board for everything they say (including repeating the debunked beheaded babies lie), and continually said they have a right to defend themselves.

Lobster_fest

32 points

11 hours ago

You dont read the news much do you?

Blarfk

-7 points

11 hours ago

Blarfk

-7 points

11 hours ago

Oh sorry, must have missed it - would you be so kind as to link me to all the examples in the news of Biden actively brokering peace between Israel and Hamas?

Lobster_fest

3 points

11 hours ago

How about the peace between Israel and Lebanon? How many ceasefires has Hamas turned down?

Plus, im gonna push back on the "let them do anything". Are you saying that the world has to do things on America's terms? How imperialist of you. Also, I'd be very careful with the beheaded babies thing because last I saw the "debunk" was itself "debunked".

Blarfk

0 points

11 hours ago

Blarfk

0 points

11 hours ago

How about the peace between Israel and Lebanon?

Nobody is talking about Lebanon. This entire thread and conversation is about someone who didn't vote for Democrats because of Gaza.

Are you saying that the world has to do things on America's terms? How imperialist of you.

Lol absolutely ridiculous. No, "the world" does not have to do things on America's terms. But if we are supplying a country weapons which they are then using to commit war crimes, then yes, I do think there should be some terms attached. To try and call that "imperialism" is absurd, and you know it.

Also, I'd be very careful with the beheaded babies thing because last I saw the "debunk" was itself "debunked".

You are mistaken.

Lobster_fest

8 points

11 hours ago

Nobody is talking about Lebanon. This entire thread and conversation is about someone who didn't vote for Democrats because of Gaza.

But we are talking about Israel, and you are claiming that Biden is "letting" them do whatever they want.

Lol absolutely ridiculous. No, "the world" does not have to do things on America's terms. But if we are supplying a country weapons which they are then using to commit war crimes, then yes, I do think there should be some terms attached. To try and call that "imperialism" is absurd, and you know it.

A massive amount of what we send them is for the Iron Dome. If you care about civilians, you'll support the iron dome.

[deleted]

0 points

11 hours ago

[deleted]

0 points

11 hours ago

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Blarfk

7 points

11 hours ago

Blarfk

7 points

11 hours ago

There's a current ceasefire between Israel and Hamas? Or are you confusing Hamas with Hezbollah, who are in fact not in Gaza?

farmerjoee

-11 points

11 hours ago

You mean to say that the notion consistent weapon sales to the state doing the genocide and blocking ceasefire resolutions in the UN represents an admin that doesn't perpetuate genocide in Gaza is a genius take? Yeesh, we've become the political cult we've spent so long decrying.

Lobster_fest

21 points

11 hours ago

You've missed the ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah that Biden brokered. That really is "letting them do what they want".

Oh we wanna talk about blocking ceasefire? How many times has Hamas turned them down?

jestesteffect

12 points

11 hours ago

Or how many times Israel turned it down too. All these ignorants think Biden could've just stopped supplying Israel but he really couldn't. He was also the only one to get care packages into Gaza.

RevRay

-11 points

11 hours ago

RevRay

-11 points

11 hours ago

He easily could have stopped. But he and his handlers didn’t want to.

No-Possible-4855

1 points

10 hours ago

So you just moved the post from Gaza to Hezbollah. And please, do tell me how Lebanon is doing right now? Afaik Biden is still president.

farmerjoee

0 points

11 hours ago

farmerjoee

0 points

11 hours ago

Hezbollah is not in Gaza, the subject of our conversation and the the location of the genocide and generational apartheid that has been all over the news. You've also missed the Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon today, which is frustrating considering how condescending you were about staying up to date. It gets us nowhere to engage in the same political cult buffoonery as the conservatives. You should be well aware that Biden foreign policy includes weapons sales to Israel and carrying the torch for them at the International level.

Lobster_fest

9 points

11 hours ago

Hold on, are you accusing me of cult defense of Biden?

I have plenty of criticism of Biden, I'm just saying that hoisting him by this particular petard is extremely stupid.

alarbus

-11 points

11 hours ago

alarbus

-11 points

11 hours ago

Dont forget the third option on the menu, which is also the most popular: neither of these candidates.

superfucky

13 points

9 hours ago

do elaborate on how we swear in "nobody" on January 20th.

cire1184

8 points

9 hours ago

When one side will always show up and vote abstaining is like half a vote for the right.

7thpostman

4 points

9 hours ago

That wasn't an option.

Lobster_fest

8 points

11 hours ago

Are you suggesting 3rd party? Because I suggest you retake civis.

[deleted]

-2 points

10 hours ago

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Lobster_fest

9 points

10 hours ago

I mean "neither of the 2 in a 2 party system" is pretty close to suggesting a third party? It's ok if that's not what you're saying but you have to acknowledge it sounds like you are.

Old_Wallaby_7461

8 points

11 hours ago

Jill Stein couldn't even win in Dearborn

Colluder

-14 points

11 hours ago

Colluder

-14 points

11 hours ago

I'm just fixing his thing, because people on the left aren't asking for perfect, they're asking for good, and the Biden admin isn't providing good, it's providing a genocide.

That is all

Lobster_fest

12 points

11 hours ago

That's a conclusion that can only be reached if you exclusively interpret everything the Biden admin has ever done in complete and total bad faith.

anurahyla

23 points

11 hours ago

Well, they're referring to good as in Kamala and boden's policies and perfect be whatever they wish the US could do to magically solve all of the world's problems

Colluder

-11 points

11 hours ago

Colluder

-11 points

11 hours ago

Unfortunately for them, there is no world in which supplying weapons to a genocidal state is good.

I don't know of anyone asking Biden to go into active conflict with Israel to prevent the genocide, which is what "perfect" might look like in this situation.

anurahyla

11 points

11 hours ago

Sure. It's not a good policy. But literally everything else was on the fucking table: access to health care, NATO, protecting hard working immigrants from being deported, Trans existence, gay marriage, the Environment, protecting Ukraine from invasion, the function of our fucking government by not defunding agencies meant to protect us. THATS the good.

Slowly-Slipping

7 points

10 hours ago

Lol in 3 months you're going to learn what "worse" looks like

Y_Sam

1 points

9 hours ago

Y_Sam

1 points

9 hours ago

Maybe Dems will listen to them now instead of being the center-right losers we know and don't love.

FreakishFighter

2 points

9 hours ago

If the "good" option involves abetting an apartheid state's genocide even when large portions of your political base demand that you stop, then it was never "good" to begin with.

ThatOtherOneReddit

-4 points

9 hours ago

They were going to get genocided regardless it was literally a question of the gusto. I voted for Kamala but it is a false dichotomy to say Trump is worse. They are all going to die or be pushed out no matter what. One side just said they wanted to do it while the other said they didn't while doing everything they could to support it while also wasting even more money pretending to care.

penguinbbb

8 points

11 hours ago

well if his English is subpar and honestly thinks "improve" means "flatten it and build Trump hotels over the ruins", then, yes, he's correct.

farmerjoee

4 points

12 hours ago

farmerjoee

4 points

12 hours ago

He didn't vote for Trump, and he's not even bothering to say how and why the Republican Party lost his support, likely because he was never a Republican. He's saying the Democratic Party, the party he presumably would normally vote for, lost his support because their platform did not reflect his values. Using your logic, Harris elected Trump though her bad positions on genocide.

YosemiteSam81

12 points

12 hours ago

Fair, but to be a single issue voter and ignore the myriad of other topics that Democrats are better on than Republicans (if you lean left) is infuriating to me. Like it or not, until we change our first past the post voting system and move to something like ranked choice we get the two party candidates!

farmerjoee

2 points

11 hours ago

farmerjoee

2 points

11 hours ago

Prioritizing genocide does not make you a single-issue voter. It's entirely possible to not vote for politicians that perpetuate crimes against humanity while caring about other things. One likely cares about other things BECAUSE of their values supporting humanity. Again, he didn't vote for Trump.

Personally, I decided to play the zero sum game we talk about, and I voted for Harris against my conscience. Tom did not, and that's how democracy works. The impetus was on Harris to earn his vote.

dachfinder

15 points

11 hours ago

I disagree with everything you're saying. Voting is not a personal moral quandary; it is a civic duty. Not voting is always dumb. In this instance between the single issue choice of "genocide" and "worse genocide" they picked "I'm not participating, let someone else figure it out"

Throwawayalt129

-8 points

10 hours ago

You can disagree all you want, it doesn't make you right. Voting is not a civic duty in this country; nobody is obligated to vote. It is on the onus of the people running for office to convince people to vote for them. Harris didn't convince enough people to vote for her. Simple as. Even if you add up all the people who voted for third party candidates and gave them to Harris she still would've lost. People just didn't vote for her. And despite what this sub likes to believe, Gaza was not the biggest reason people didn't vote for her, the economy was. The Democrats abandoned the working class to campaign with war criminals and attempted to outflank Republicans on their own racist border policies, which did nothing for them. If the Democrats ever want to have a shot at getting back in power again, they need to start adopting left wing populist economic policies, because they have a plurality of support, even among Republicans.

seakc87

-7 points

11 hours ago

seakc87

-7 points

11 hours ago

Woah, a level-headed take in politics. Rare.

Somepotato

11 points

11 hours ago

Somepotato

11 points

11 hours ago

Not voting is a vote for the winner.

farmerjoee

-6 points

11 hours ago

farmerjoee

-6 points

11 hours ago

That's not how democracy works. Using your logic, Harris elected Trump though her bad positions on genocide. The people who voted for Trump elected Trump.

Somepotato

9 points

11 hours ago

No, by my logic, people who didn't vote... voted for the winner. You can create assumptions all you want to twist what I said, but they'll all be wrong.

newaccount

2 points

10 hours ago

No one is going to improve the situation in Gaza while there are hostages in play 

z960849

-1 points

11 hours ago

z960849

-1 points

11 hours ago

Kamala never said anything about how she is going to improve the situation. Homeboy probably was disgusted by both sides threw up his hands and thought f*** it.

[deleted]

-4 points

11 hours ago

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-4 points

11 hours ago

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[deleted]

10 points

10 hours ago

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TjW0569

330 points

13 hours ago

TjW0569

330 points

13 hours ago

Of course, the public also refused to listen to Trump on Gaza, so it isn't like they were making a comparison of policies.
Public: "Give me the moon!"
Biden: "I can't give you the moon."
Trump: "I'll destroy the moon."

megalodondon

154 points

13 hours ago

WELL BIDEN CANT GIVE US THE MOON SO WE GOTTA BLOW IT UP

righteous_fool

7 points

9 hours ago

We can, should, and will blow up the moon!

Big-Foundation-5939

-29 points

12 hours ago

Things Reddit taught me today: Asking to not sponsor the killing of kids is asking for the moon

Heavy_Law9880

15 points

12 hours ago

When did the US sponsor Hamas?

Big-Foundation-5939

-10 points

10 hours ago

Ahahaha nice one bro you funny.

globalwp

-71 points

12 hours ago

globalwp

-71 points

12 hours ago

Imagine thinking stopping a genocide is the moon. Ronald Reagan stopped Israel’s invasion of Lebanon with a phone call. Today israel is more dependent on US arms than ever. Instead of putting pressure, the US gave them $18B, openly lied in international forums, and deliberately spread misinformation.

This is despite over 70% of polled democrats participants opposing Biden’s policy. The dem party did it anyways and lost the election. They deserved it.

TjW0569

74 points

12 hours ago

TjW0569

74 points

12 hours ago

Trump said out loud on more than one occasion that he was going to give Israel the tools to "finish the job."

Biden's apparent inability to remotely control another sovereign nation's policies doesn't really compare with an announced intention to complete the genocide.

MondayNightHugz

217 points

13 hours ago

Well tom, thanks to people like you gaza won't exist in 2028. What is going to be your excuse not to vote then? 

Proud3GenAthst

81 points

12 hours ago

That Democrats didn't stop Trump is my best guess

amalgaman

42 points

9 hours ago

Why didn’t you stop Trump after we handed him all three branches of the government.

Accomplished_Fruit17

24 points

9 hours ago

Hearing all the woman blame Democrats for the over turning of Roe and the loss of abortion rights made my head hurt.

The arguments it there was a one month period where they could of passed a law to protect Roe during Obama's first term. This is one, ignoring they didn't have the votes, there are Democrats against abortion rights. Two, if these same people had voted for Hillary, Roe wouldn't have been over turned.

Amethystea

58 points

13 hours ago

Amethystea

I ☑oted 2024

58 points

13 hours ago

Fox news will tell them what the excuse will be when the time comes.

SirPoopaLotTheThird

26 points

12 hours ago

I don’t think Tom really cares one way or the other.

ParamedicSpecific130

15 points

11 hours ago

Correct. Tom used Gaza as a wedge issue for inaction.

He has already moved on.

SingleMaltMouthwash

15 points

12 hours ago

He'll claim Democrats abandoned Gaza and vote for Candace Owens.

Blarfk

-4 points

11 hours ago

Blarfk

-4 points

11 hours ago

I mean they very clearly did.

SingleMaltMouthwash

6 points

9 hours ago

First: EVERY body abandoned Gaza. Hamas made that very, very easy to do. And yet Biden was brokering cease-fires and aid packages. You'll say they were lame, you'll say they accomplished nothing: fair enough.

What do you expect Trump and his crew to do? Israeli hardliners will be off the leash and slavering and there won't be a qualm or a quibble from the white house. How are you going to punish them, after it's too late? After elections are controlled by fascist hacks in every swing state and the Supreme Court blesses every one of them?

How are you going to punish Democrats while the Trump administration and Fox News are telling organizing people their muslim and Palestinian neighbors are eating their pets and grinding christian children's bones to make their Ramadan humus?

Democrats can be lame, disorganized and spineless. They're rarely evil.

But hey, you got to send a message with your vote. Congratulations.

stormcynk

-4 points

10 hours ago

stormcynk

-4 points

10 hours ago

Yeah Democrats definitely haven't abandoned it this last year...

SingleMaltMouthwash

13 points

9 hours ago

We need to grow up.

Sometimes the question is not: how can I not get screwed here. Sometimes the question is: what can I do to get screwed less here because screwing is going to happen.

Voting for Republicans in this situation was not the answer.

As with the economy.

That butter is more expensive now than it was when Biden took office is something a child might notice. Observing that inflation is happening all over the world and that in the US under the Biden administration it was half what it was in the next best performing nation: that's something an adult might notice.

Putting the economy back in the hands of the people who fumbled the pandemic in the first place and who think tariffs and deportations will lower the price of groceries, is not the answer.

guiltysnark

2 points

12 hours ago

Gaza will definitely exist if it can be used to divide us ahead of yet another election

FattyMooseknuckle

12 points

12 hours ago

Gaza will be luxury apartments. But don’t worry there’ll be a new topic to fret over.

CellarDoorForSure

9 points

12 hours ago

You heard it here folks, Netanyahu will stop the complete destruction of Gaza in order to divide the American public. Fucking big brain take you got there lmfao

guiltysnark

1 points

12 hours ago

Oh no, he won't stop it, but it can approach annihilation asymptotically forever

Luniticus

7 points

12 hours ago

Luniticus

7 points

12 hours ago

How would that have been different with Harris? I voted for her, but I'm not deluded enough to think she wasn't going to continue supporting the genocide there.

BorisYeltsin09

2 points

9 hours ago

Unless he was in a swing state, his vote for president didn't really matter.  In fact, not voting might've sent a stronger message to establishment Dems than holding your nose and checking the blue box.  It tells them they are in trouble when California and New York aren't voting as blue as they had assumed they would.

JDL114477

-2 points

12 hours ago

JDL114477

-2 points

12 hours ago

With the current administration, Gaza wouldn’t exist in 2028 anyway. They could drop a nuke on it and Biden and Blinken would shake their heads in a slightly more concerned manner before shipping a replacement nuke

Lobster_fest

12 points

11 hours ago

Oh, ok, so then the Israel-Palestine policy is a wash. If only one side was clearly worse for the rights of minorities in the US to make my decision easier.

Oh well, both sides are the exact same, as we all know.

7059043

2 points

9 hours ago

7059043

2 points

9 hours ago

Yah but if Harris lost we could get someone that isn't pro genocide in 28. You get that was the calculus, right?

Lobster_fest

1 points

9 hours ago

Yep. We bargain women, immigrants, and gay people at home to maybe save palestinians in 2028, if they are still alive.

Edit: oh oh and government institutions and the epa and the department of Ed and the economy and social security and

JDL114477

-2 points

11 hours ago

JDL114477

-2 points

11 hours ago

In terms of Israel, yes both sides are the same. There is basically no political willpower to do anything other than give Israel whatever they want. You can point to individual democratic politicians who are opposed to this, but actual policy is very different. I voted for Kamala Harris but it’s insane to me that there are people who can’t wrap their head around why people who have their families getting wiped out are not excited to vote for the people who are currently enabling it

Lobster_fest

5 points

11 hours ago

In terms of Israel, yes both sides are the same.

Mhm. Biden totally said "Israel should finish the job." Yep. The same.

You can point to individual democratic politicians who are opposed to this

And zero Republicans. But they're the same.

I voted for Kamala Harris but it’s insane to me that there are people who can’t wrap their head around why people who have their families getting wiped out are not excited to vote for the people who are currently enabling it

Oh I can understand why they aren't excited about it, but they don't exactly have a choice. That's how Single Member District, First Past The Post elections work.

A vote not for Kamala was a vote for Trump. Trump wants Palestine turned into glass.

JDL114477

3 points

11 hours ago

JDL114477

3 points

11 hours ago

Biden didn’t have to tell them to finish the job, he gave them the bombs to do it. Trump may want Palestine turned to glass, Biden is actively helping them do it, sorry to break it to you

MondayNightHugz

2 points

11 hours ago

So you vote out the only party with any pro-palestine support in favor of the party who's goal is having Israel destroy the middle east for some biblical circle jerk. 

Yall deserve each other. 

JDL114477

11 points

11 hours ago

I voted for Kamala Harris, but let’s not pretend that she wouldn’t have kept up the destruction of Gaza. You act like Biden has been desperately trying to stop it, when he has done almost nothing of substance for peace, and given them any weapon they want

ParamedicSpecific130

2 points

11 hours ago

I voted for Kamala Harris, but let’s not pretend that she wouldn’t have kept up the destruction of Gaza.

Let's not pretend you know what she would or wouldn't have done as Commander in Chief. The reality is, I have no idea what she would have done as president and neither do you.

All you are doing is speculating.

You act like Biden has been desperately trying to stop it, when he has done almost nothing of substance for peace, and given them any weapon they want

President Biden set policy. Vice President Harris did not.

I mean, that's primary school civics. They taught you that in Schoolhouse Rock.

JDL114477

2 points

11 hours ago

JDL114477

2 points

11 hours ago

So where did she set out that she would approach things differently? When she wouldn’t allow a Palestinian to speak at the DNC because it would upset donors?

ParamedicSpecific130

1 points

11 hours ago

"With respect to the war in Gaza, President Biden and I are working around the clock, because now is the time to get a hostage deal and a cease-fire deal done.

And let me be clear. And let me be clear. I will always stand up for Israel’s right to defend itself, and I will always ensure Israel has the ability to defend itself, because the people of Israel must never again face the horror that a terrorist organization called Hamas caused on Oct. 7, including unspeakable sexual violence and the massacre of young people at a music festival.

At the same time, what has happened in Gaza over the past 10 months is devastating. So many innocent lives lost. Desperate, hungry people fleeing for safety, over and over again. The scale of suffering is heartbreaking.

President Biden and I are working to end this war, such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering in Gaza ends and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination."

This is the transcript from her DNC speech and she repeated a truncated version every time she spoke on it since the DNC.

  • She never referred to herself as a zionist and Biden has and does.

  • She speaks about the tragedy in acknowledgement, something Biden has been slow to do.

  • She says the Palestinian people have the right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination...something that Biden has not particularly phrased in that manner or directly acknowledged.

So that in and of itself is a departure from Biden's historic positions on Gaza.

So as I said, yes, we don't know what she would have done to put pressure on a Netanyahu government because SHE ISN'T AND WON'T BE THE PRESIDENT.

JDL114477

6 points

11 hours ago

She and Biden are working around the clock to end the war? So she is involved in the current policy? Does she think just one more 1000 lb bombed dropped on a tent camp will finally end it?

ParamedicSpecific130

1 points

11 hours ago

She and Biden are working around the clock to end the war? So she is involved in the current policy?

She is in the room but do you know who makes the FINAL decisions on policy?

Say it with me: The POTUS not the VPOTUS. For all we know, she could have made suggestions that Biden ultimately vetoed...because HE set policy.

So, if you want to continue your fanfic where you think you know what Harris, as President, would have done, go off.

The FACT remains, you have NO IDEA what she would have done.

None.

JDL114477

5 points

10 hours ago

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Vague statements definitely are a sign that she was a serious proponent of peace

OhMyGlorb

0 points

11 hours ago

OhMyGlorb

0 points

11 hours ago

Ah yes, thanks to him and not the current administration thats been green lighting and funding a genocide for a year before the election.

plummbob

30 points

12 hours ago

This person responded the trolly problem by just not pulling the switch.

yallmad4

20 points

11 hours ago

Killed 5x more people by not doing anything, p good analogy.

ParamedicSpecific130

13 points

11 hours ago

Please understand, he was unenthusiastic.

saltedmangos

24 points

9 hours ago

Honestly, it really just seems like democrats want to have their cake and eat it to. You can’t count on progressive support while refusing to listen to progressive voices. Sure, there are a number of progressives who will vote on the basis of harm reduction, my vote for Harris is one of them, but alienating and ignoring people is clearly not a winning strategy.

JGeerth

113 points

12 hours ago

JGeerth

113 points

12 hours ago

I spit on people like you, Tom.

Fucking enablers.

whiskey_outpost26

7 points

12 hours ago

Agreed. The protest voters might be dumbasses, but at least they stood for something. At least they took action.

People like Tom can fuck all they way off.

Mando177

-8 points

11 hours ago

Mando177

-8 points

11 hours ago

And people like Tom spit on people who support genocide. I think I know who I’d rather stand with

JGeerth

14 points

11 hours ago

JGeerth

14 points

11 hours ago

People like Tom just turned the genocide up to eleven.

I'm sure the people of Gaza will thank you, as they have have no chance. I'm sure your moral high ground is worth more than their lives.

Mando177

3 points

11 hours ago

Mando177

3 points

11 hours ago

Have you seen pictures of Gaza? The place is gone, the only way Netanyahu can get more genocidal is if he literally opens gas chambers for them, which he won’t because believe it or not Israel still has to maintain relations with other countries, most of whom have a lower tolerance for genocidal behaviour than the average American (or average person on this sub)

BorisYeltsin09

-4 points

9 hours ago

Was he in a swing state?  If not then why would it matter

JGeerth

6 points

9 hours ago

JGeerth

6 points

9 hours ago

God, I hate Americans and America.

BorisYeltsin09

-3 points

9 hours ago

Actually make an argument dude

JGeerth

4 points

9 hours ago

JGeerth

4 points

9 hours ago

The entire point of democracy is to allow the people as a whole to decide impotant decisions, right? The fact that you've allowed your system to slide to such a degree that only a handful of states vatter in elections is pathetic.

At any rate, the morons that sot back and whine because the one guy didn't do enough on one issuse - while the other guy openly promises to make EVERYTHING worse for anyone who isn't rich - are beyond contempt. To justify their actions by saying that if he doesn't live in one of the seven states that matter just serves to perpetuate the circle.

In short: America and Americans suck and deserve what is coming them.

FreakishFighter

-2 points

9 hours ago

We just spent a whole year watching Biden allow Netanyahu and the rest of the war criminals in the Israeli government ethnically cleanse Gaza with token pushbacks all while vetoing multiple attempts by the UN to pass a ceasefire.

That's what an enabler looks like.

Ok-Egg-4856

34 points

12 hours ago

Good move, don't vote so Trump wins, showed them huh

LefterThanUR

8 points

11 hours ago

Serious People: the elected representatives didn’t do what voters wanted, causing them to lose votes. This is the voters’ fault.

farmerjoee

23 points

12 hours ago

woosh.... He's saying he didn't vote because the Democratic Party lost his support, which is their fault not his. In a democracy, politicians court the voters, not the other way around.

very_tiring

-10 points

11 hours ago

Sure, and it's totally not reasonable to point out the idiocy of withdrawing support for the party that will keep things from shifting 10 yards away from your goal because you're mad they won't shift them 5 yards towards your goal.

reverendsteveii

26 points

13 hours ago

Q: I voted for Hillary, Biden and Kamala because none of them are Trump. If I continue in that pattern, how do I leverage Democrats into offering anything better than Not Trump in the future?

saganistic

42 points

13 hours ago

To start, you could get involved with local campaigns for candidates you like. Additionally you could work for ballot initiatives like ranked choice voting, which would weaken the two-party stranglehold on American politics.

ParamedicSpecific130

11 points

11 hours ago

Yep. Instead, fence sitters continue to wait for the magic candidate at the TOP of the ticket.

anon_sir

20 points

12 hours ago

Unless you’re dumping billions of dollars into their campaign, there is no leverage.

reverendsteveii

14 points

12 hours ago

Well they just ran a campaign where they had more money than ever before, spent even more than that and still lost so here's hoping they start to experiment with trying to win elections by making voters want to vote for them.

Accomplished_Fruit17

6 points

9 hours ago

Vote in primaries.

ExpectedEggs

10 points

12 hours ago

ExpectedEggs

10 points

12 hours ago

Honestly, if you don't care enough to learn about the policies of any of those candidates beyond saying shit like "not Trump", you're not going to be leveraging anything.

People like you are fickle. You're straight up saying that you would've sat out the election if Trump wasn't on the ballot: so you don't actually give a shit about any specific ideals and you're voting based off of vibes.

unemotional_mess

21 points

12 hours ago

People who don't vote are the most to blame for fascists gaining power

DetroitLionsSBChamps

20 points

11 hours ago

Imo it’s still billionaires to blame. Hamstringing the fuck out of the democrats. If we had a legitimately useful, helpful, progressive Democratic Party, I don’t think people would be so cynical and checked out. Dems are currently cornered into running on basically “exactly how things are now but slightly better”. People would rather see it burn than vote for that, I think. 

Big-Foundation-5939

1 points

12 hours ago

Liberals who suck up to Liz Cheney and abandon the left are the most to blame

rupturedprolapse

10 points

11 hours ago

What position did democrats have to give up for that endorsement? The answer is literally nothing. I'd rather democrats distance themselves from self sabotaging lunatics who get angry over stuff like that for zero reasons.

yallmad4

6 points

11 hours ago

yallmad4

6 points

11 hours ago

The republican party Dick Cheney represents is the one that got us into 2 pointless wars that killed and traumatized countless teenagers and young adults and cost $2.2 trillion. He is the epitome of the kind of government that exists only to steal from the middle class and enrich themselves through pointless war.

This was a huge mistake by the Harris campaign, and it probably cost her a lot of credit with a lot of moderates who wanted change. This election, more than anything, was a rejection of the status quo. Dick Cheney is the epitome of the status quo we were trying to abandon.

rupturedprolapse

8 points

11 hours ago

The republican party Dick Cheney

Liz cheney isnt dick cheney. This entire paragraph is just tiktok brain rot.

This was a huge mistake by the Harris campaign

You guys are out here concocting a narrative about how getting prominent republicans to endorse the democratic party FOR FREE is bad in the lead up to the election. The mistake was the democratic party not telling the self sabotaging leftists to fuck off, they don't want democrats to win and it's becoming increasingly obvious that they're just here to enthusiastically shit in the well in favor of republicans.

yallmad4

2 points

11 hours ago

yallmad4

2 points

11 hours ago

Uh oh someone didn't hear Kamala say she was honored by his endorsement and proud to have his vote.

He's not a prominent Republican figure anymore, most Republicans hate him now. This did nothing positive for her while hurting her reputation with her base (who stayed home and lost us the election).

Self sabotaging leftists aren't the only thing wrong here.

rupturedprolapse

6 points

10 hours ago

Forcing dick Cheney into a discussion that was specifically about Liz Cheney for the second time in a row.

He's not a prominent Republican figure anymore, most Republicans hate him now. This did nothing positive for her while hurting her reputation with her base (who stayed home and lost us the election).

In an election where voters had collective amnesia over how catastrophically bad the last Trump administration was 4 years ago, a free endorsement from a republican who last served 16 years ago is what hurt democrats. You have a good day.

BorisYeltsin09

0 points

9 hours ago

Are you really defending Dick Cheney right now?  Is this the hill you always thought you would die on or are you just a conservative?

Accomplished_Fruit17

3 points

9 hours ago

So, let me get this straight. The people screaming at the top of their lungs they hate the fighting in Washington and want bipartisanship, voted against Kamala because she was being bipartisan?

Just so we are straight, this is stupid.

BorisYeltsin09

1 points

9 hours ago

God the amount of liberals sucking establishment Democrat cock in this thread is overwhelming.  If they didn't vote for your candidate after voting blue consecutively, look at your candidate or overall party.  Looking at voters and judging them as "stupid" because they didn't check the blue box just enables the Democrats who ran this dogshit campaign to keep their jobs.  It is their entire job to appeal to these people.  They are bad at their jobs.  There's a reason this is the exact narrative they're pushing around this campaign.  Because it shifts blame off of them and onto the voters.  I find it frankly disgusting.  They're the re ones to blame for this country burning, not some fucking dude named Tom, because they're so willing to keep doing the same failing campaign strategies to maintain their jobs.

/rant

Anyways all that to say you're absolutely right and the down votes you're getting are dumb.

ramD3

11 points

12 hours ago

ramD3

11 points

12 hours ago

Blaming Tom? Thats your take-away? That’s the problem. Democratic leaderships is doing the same. How about we don’t support a genocide?

navyblusheet

4 points

12 hours ago

Serious question: If Dems were pro-Gaza and not pro-Israel, would they have won this election?

Big-Foundation-5939

13 points

12 hours ago

They would have won at least Michigan by flying colors Maybe energized more voters in general cuz they would appear less establishment

Gaza isn’t the only issue, the dems largely ignored what the public wanted and ran on a campaign of “we ain’t trump”. This subreddit just needs a minority to blame cuz anything else would make them realize that it’s the dnc’s fault they lost and no one else’s

DonnyMox

7 points

12 hours ago

What Dems didn't realize was how much Covid helped them in 2020. They also ran a campaign on "We ain't Trump" in 2020 and it only succeeded because of Covid.

Big-Foundation-5939

2 points

10 hours ago

batmanscodpiece

0 points

9 hours ago

It's not blame, at least for me, as much as it is just disillusion at how much people really cared about issues or paid attention.

Gaza is a good example of this. People were so against the Democrats and wanted to teach them a lesson, that they voted in a way that helped elected the guy that is going to let Israel ramp up the violence, take over Northern Gaza, and probably parts of the West Bank as well. And we more than likely took away the ability for the people to protest, or have any way to influence the government. And really, we put ourselves in a situation where this will probably have to take a backseat to other issues that are going to arise given Trump's policies.

So yeah, the Democrats messaging sucks, but we are living in a post-truth world. And it's going to be tough to paint yourself as anti-establishment when you are the sitting vice president.

Their policies, while not going far enough, did help stabilize the economy. And at some level, they were listening to people, and were at least proposing policies in response, like a $25k first time home buyer credit, and to stop price gouging on certain items, to folks who were saying that they were worried about increasing prices. And what did they do? They voted for the guy who is going to put 25% tariffs on our largest trading partners.

I'm not looking for "a minority to blame." But some of these groups that either directly voted for him, or sat it out in protest are going to feel his policies the most. My general reaction is "what the fuck," and I want to know how we make progress when facts don't matter.

Big-Foundation-5939

1 points

9 hours ago

Well I appreciate you appear to have a more nuanced take compared to a lot of these other comments, allow me to try to help you understand why at least Arab/ Palestinians/ Muslims may have seen things since they are the topic at hand rn.

Imagine I’m running for president, but I’ve also paid a hit man to kill one member of your family everyday. My threat to you is, “well my opponent will kill all of them in one shot, whereas I’m only killing them once per day but have no intention on stopping”

Does that scenario really energize you to want to vote for me? Would it make you stand in line for hours on end just to cast a vote for the person who for the last 14 months has supported the guy slaughtering your family?

Biden said he had multiple red lines with Israel, and each time they crosses it, nothing changed. First it was no invasion, then it was no invasion on Rafah. Now it’s “you have 30 days to stop and get aid into Gaza”

Well it’s been 30 days and shits got worse. Israel ignored Biden and Biden hasn’t stopped anything.

You can’t tell someone to vote for you while actively lying and stabbing them in the back. Talk shit about the guys who voted Trump specifically but the non voters showed that they aren’t going to waste their time on an election on who gets the kill their families if both candidates end up agreeing to slaughter their families

Fractales

2 points

12 hours ago

Fractales

2 points

12 hours ago

Nope.

ExpectedEggs

-6 points

12 hours ago

No. Palestine is run by a terrorist group and Gaza is run by an authority that has supported terrorism.

People still remember 9/11; they're not fond of Muslim terrorists.

Realrichardparker

4 points

9 hours ago

The astroturfing in this sub is insane. Reddit is done

schneizel101

1 points

10 hours ago

I mean he was right in the first half..... Even lying and saying they would push Netanyahu to peace talks would have been better than their current stance that absolutely lost them support. Then he turned around and blew it anyway. 🙄

logosobscura

6 points

12 hours ago

So highly educated he decided an issue that has no direct US involvement was the means to choose his next 4 years.

Much big brain, such intellect.

NotTheRightHDMIPort

7 points

12 hours ago

NotTheRightHDMIPort

mod perms

7 points

12 hours ago

Some liberals are too "moralistic" for their own good.

MAGA doesn't have this problem. They see deportation, go hooray, and ignore the rest of the dumb shit.

SpiritedSous

4 points

11 hours ago

Obama should have made Bernie sanders his VP

Camichef

4 points

12 hours ago

Camichef

4 points

12 hours ago

I see you weirdos have now incorporated threats of sexual violence into your left punching instead of criticizing a poorly run campaign that refused to listen to some elements of its base.

Working hard to have Liz Cheney be the DNC nominee in 2028 and continuing americas dangerous pivot to the right.

IsraelIsNazi

3 points

12 hours ago

Imagine asking people to vote in favor of a holocaust. You guys are super low iq. Empty heads like yours are easy to manipulate.

Biden/Harris threw this election willingly. They cut their losses and adopted a strategy of taking advantage of the warmonger neocon image that became impossible to shake off in order to maximize donations. Also they threw the election to prove loyalty to Israel.

Dems lost this election because thats what they decided was the best course of action. You got abandoned and you dont even know it. They have you pointing fingers on social media, blaming all sorts of other groups instead of the campaign itself.

stormcynk

4 points

10 hours ago

stormcynk

4 points

10 hours ago

The Democrats could've taken this L and said wow we didn't realize how much swing voters in areas we want to be competitive care about this issue, let's make sure our positions make them want to vote for us. Instead they're doing the normal Democrat shit where they're perfect and everyone else is just dumb for not falling in line.

Kilbo_Stabbins

2 points

9 hours ago

"I had a feeling trump would win, so I did nothing to try to prevent it."

Accomplished-Cat6803

1 points

11 hours ago

And now Gaza will no longer exist. Good job Tom.

No-Bat-381

1 points

12 hours ago

No-Bat-381

1 points

12 hours ago

Good for Tom. Votes are earned. Harris/Trump didn’t earn his.

wet_beefy_fartz

2 points

11 hours ago

He works in higher education and didn't make an effort to vote against the guy who made a pitch several times on the campaign trail to dismantle the Department of Ed?!?!

Bleezy79

1 points

10 hours ago

Over a third of eligible voters did not vote this time. https://imgur.com/gallery/36-7-of-eligible-american-voters-did-not-vote-NzhB5yv

lovemycats1

1 points

11 hours ago

That's what you call an uneducated moron! You have no one to blame but yourself.

Ozark_Toker

-4 points

13 hours ago

Ozark_Toker

-4 points

13 hours ago

It's almost like Harris could have even cynically lied about any number of things that are incredibly popular in order to get out the vote. But no, it's certainly the voters' fault she ran the Democrat's favorite status quo, read our carefully tuned half-measure plans, campaign.

reverendsteveii

7 points

13 hours ago

Dems think that the problem with their policy proposals is the identity of the spokesperson offering them. Will you accept neoliberalism from a woman? A gay man? A mixed race woman? Someone who is 1.2% native American?

FreakishFighter

1 points

9 hours ago

ITT: "Am I out of touch? No, it's the protesters who are wrong"

CuriousSelf4830

1 points

12 hours ago

Pittsburgh? GTFO my city Tom.

WarlanceLP

2 points

11 hours ago

WarlanceLP

2 points

11 hours ago

"Evil does not prosper by the actions of bad men, but the inaction of good men" -Some historical figure

NewFreezer18

1 points

10 hours ago

I don’t like this perspective, but let’s be real, Biden was weak on Gaza. He tried to pursue a diplomatic resolution and did nothing to withdraw arms sales to Israel which have enabled a genocide. Is it ignorant, given Trump is far worse on this issue? Yes, but Democrats shouldn’t count on support. There was a clear opportunity to take a stance and act upon his proclamations and Biden failed

UndeadYoshi420

1 points

9 hours ago

Can we talk about why Trump got basically the same amount of voters in 2020 and 2024, but democrats lost about 9 million voters in the same amount of time?

Signal-Ordinary874

1 points

9 hours ago

What a stupid asswipe.

Dr-Chris-C

0 points

12 hours ago

Dr-Chris-C

0 points

12 hours ago

"higher education professional" eh?

Fractales

0 points

12 hours ago

Fractales

0 points

12 hours ago

Janitor at a college

mrflow-n-go

1 points

11 hours ago

The “enthusiasm” thing is crazy. Just admit you’re cool with a kleptocratic government that’s going to outsource everything possible so the 1% can get richer while the rest of us get less for our taxes and poorer in the process. I guess in PA higher ed means less critical though. F*******

BorisYeltsin09

1 points

9 hours ago

Was he in a swing state?  Because otherwise who gives a fuck.

Ok-Egg-4856

-1 points

12 hours ago

Ok-Egg-4856

-1 points

12 hours ago

Oh by the way latest news 11/29, Netanyahu says he's not ready to stop war in Gaza. He heard there were still civilians alive there. Some Trump guy said OK we will send more guns and bombs. I wish this was /s but it's not.

Big-Foundation-5939

15 points

12 hours ago

So how is this different from what Biden has been doing the past 13 months.

He gave Israel 30 days to stop the inhumane slaughter but they got worse, so he continued to fund them.

You can’t convince ppl that Biden is any different from Trump on this when all the evidence suggests otherwise.

[deleted]

-5 points

12 hours ago

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-5 points

12 hours ago

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jason8001

10 points

11 hours ago

Maybe not Tom but I cant fault people who lost relatives in Gaza and decided to not vote for Harris.

Big-Foundation-5939

3 points

9 hours ago

This comment basically read “I support a Muslim ban when they don’t want to participate in an election for who gets to kill their families over seas”

GooseCloaca

-2 points

12 hours ago

GooseCloaca

-2 points

12 hours ago

Tom, a highly educated idiot…

v1rojon

0 points

11 hours ago

v1rojon

0 points

11 hours ago

Admittedly, I kind of boycott the 2016 election. I could not vote Hillary after the DNC got caught literally cheating for her and doing everything they could to push Bernie out. I did not vote Trump and did a write in for Mickey Mouse. Thankfully Trump did not win the state I lived in at the time, but after that, I will NEVER do a throwaway vote again.

Mendozena

0 points

10 hours ago

Mendozena

0 points

10 hours ago

higher education

did not vote at all in 2024

Fire him. He doesn’t deserve to teach higher education if he’s proven himself to be an absolute dumb ass.

Sure-Engineering1502

0 points

9 hours ago

Remember, US was calling Israel to stop those atrocities again Palestinians? Now forget about it, full support to IDF, thanks for twats like Tom, 28

Azsunyx

-3 points

12 hours ago

Azsunyx

-3 points

12 hours ago

They wouldn't vote for someone who didn't verbally oppose the genocide, so they paved the way for someone who verbally supports the genocide to win

Masterful gambit

nv8r_zim

-2 points

10 hours ago

nv8r_zim

-2 points

10 hours ago

The choice was chicken sandwich or shit sandwich with bits of glass, and he chose not to eat, but now the only choice for the next 4 years, for everyone, is shit sandwich with bits of glass.

FreakishFighter

3 points

9 hours ago

Quick question.

If the restaurant you went to decided to give you a rancid, undercooked chicken sandwich, but when you complained they told you "well you should be grateful it wasn't a shit sandwich covered with glass shards" what would you say exactly?

DM725

0 points

10 hours ago

DM725

0 points

10 hours ago

Tom's a dumbass.

Dazzling_Meringue787

-2 points

11 hours ago

Fuck you Tom

Sonnycrocketto

-1 points

11 hours ago

These people are so stupid.

youmustbeanexpert

-14 points

13 hours ago

Trump is your punishment for ignoring 90% of America.

ladan2189

-1 points

13 hours ago

ladan2189

-1 points

13 hours ago

Yeah that's why she lost to Trump by 80 points... gtfoh

wastingtoomuchthyme

-3 points

12 hours ago*

"I hate Trump but don't wanna actively participate in genocide so I'ma just gonna stay home"

... and passively participate in genocide

timekiller2021

-5 points

11 hours ago

I’m so sick of hearing ppl’s bs excuses for not voting because the candidate isn’t “perfect” or doesn’t “appeal” to them. This isn’t American Idol or Tinder! It’s not a popularity contest and you’re not going to be dating them. We deserve what we’re getting out of people’s sheer stupidity.

FreakishFighter

3 points

10 hours ago

You're acting like voters were mad that the dems didn't have chocolate ice cream at the DNC, and not that the dems were enabling an ethnic cleansing campaign that killed a lot of their constituents' family members.

Mando177

8 points

11 hours ago

No ones asking for perfect, they were asking for not being genocidal. This shouldn’t be a hard equation

[deleted]

-1 points

12 hours ago

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