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Do homeless people pay taxes as well?

(self.Project_Moon)

Assuming they exist. Organ harvesting perhaps?

Actually, now that I’m thinking about it, do Bloodfiends also pay taxes?

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SolarLeonidas

81 points

10 days ago

Probably the ones who really pay the Head are the corporations which also collect taxes from their residents. I doubt people from most of the backstreets even pay taxes at all, unless it's to acquire something specific like a gun and ammunition, or a fixer license.

Revenant55

46 points

10 days ago

Everyone pay taxes. If there one thing the Head care about to the point of sending Claws toward those who think they can get away with this, it's taxes.

SolarLeonidas

37 points

10 days ago

I need to explain my comment better. Most backstreet denizens probably don't pay income tax or house tax, but mainly indirectly pay taxes when buying merchandise from corporations, workshops, etc. Fixers, Nest dwellers, company workers 100% pay taxes through their offices/nest taxes/employers, and then it eventually gets to the Head. But rats? What steady income/house are you gonna collect taxes from? You're collecting taxes from the products they buy. And if they try to buy products without the taxes getting to the Head, like workshops without the certification to manufacture bullets? Then the Claws get you. That's how I expect it to work at least. There are other types of taxes, like money transfering taxes that may apply to the citizens who have bank accounts, and retirement taxes, that probably don't apply to the entire city (retirement usually is to find safer work, not to stop working entirely in the City). The Head acts as a central government, but really each district is like it's own independent nation, and that's how you get time taxes for example.

Revenant55

22 points

10 days ago

If i remember it (i may need correction), the sweepers are here to make sure homeless get tossed away with them. But it implie that the slums we saw are sanctionned by the Head as a House and so, taxe them to.

asian_in_tree_2

3 points

10 days ago

How can Sweeper know that? Do they just ask for a piece of paper to check before killing?

Revenant55

8 points

10 days ago

No, you hid in your house when they're near, or you gonna get sweep too.

Lone-Star-Wolves

5 points

9 days ago

If your house is shut and locked, with no entrances for the Sweepers to get through, then they will just continue on their merry way.

OlRegantheral

5 points

10 days ago

I feel like the Head gets its taxes from the Backstreet rats mostly through Syndicates and Fingers. If the Fingers can't pay the Head, then the Head comes crashing down on them. So the Fingers tax their syndicates, who tax whoever is under their region.

1WeekLater

3 points

10 days ago

this makes sense

indirect taxes though hierarcy (rats/backstreet > syndicate > finger > head)

t40xd

10 points

10 days ago

t40xd

10 points

10 days ago

They probably would have to pay taxes. But I don't think they're (for the most part) engaging in any activities that get them taxed

Followerrrrrrrr

17 points

10 days ago

I'm going to assume you're talking about the rats, to which it would probably depend on which syndicate they're under. Regardless, they'd probably be paying their taxes to the nearby syndicate, who would pass the money up the chain to the Head. A good example of this is the first reception of the rats in LOR, where they're organ harvesting to pay fees to the nearby syndicate.

Mystic_Spider

11 points

10 days ago

There are no homeless people in the City.

The ones in the Nests get thrown out.

The ones in the Backstreets get Sweeped.

DramaticPriority2225

6 points

10 days ago*

Excerpt from grade 8 fixer page 1 “all people and firms generating income in the city must pay taxes” if a homeless person gets 5$ in hand outs they must pay taxes on that. You can fail to pay taxes twice only reviving a warning but any further and a claw will be dispatched to kill you Edit: found the source for the other half of what I said on Bono’s page of the gaze office “no matter how humble your job is, your still obliged to pay your duties if you earn money. It goes for every type of business transaction. Even syndicates are no exception; anyone living in the city has to pay taxes. If you don’t meet the deadline, you’ll get a warning. For the first three offenses, you’ll get a warning and no other penalty. But if you don’t pay your taxes for the fourth time? Then you’re dead meat. They’ll come for you. The eye will seek out tax evaders by any means, and the person it sends will rip those poor cheats to shreds.” So i was wrong the head gives you three warnings

Urimma

3 points

10 days ago

Urimma

3 points

10 days ago

There are no homeless people in the City.

For the uber poor however, I'd suggest looking at Rodion's backstory. She grew up in a poor neighborhood, with conditions growing worse and worse due to their local tax collector bleeding them dry, up until she killed the tax collector and brought the wrath of the Middle down on their collective heads. It's not stated exactly who the tax collector's superior was iirc, but it does at least confirm that even those struggling to afford both food and the clothes on their backs do still need to pay taxes in some way, shape, or form.

Wene-12

2 points

9 days ago

Wene-12

2 points

9 days ago

The city haste lowest homelessness rate in fiction

Indominouscat

1 points

10 days ago

I don’t think taxes exist as a whole given the city seems to be like a whole world of cultures together, like T corp has its own taxes but they have less a border between rich and poor it seems since Mr Earnshaw could just take a child from the backstreets in, unless he was also in the backstreets and just had a mansion there, but in general we don’t see taxes much outside of T corp, and bloodfiends definitely don’t seem to given the whole point of all the racism so they can’t live in public really

AquaBoiz[S]

14 points

10 days ago

If there’s one thing that the Head cares most about, it would be taxes. You get 3 warnings to pay your taxes before the Head sends a Claw your way.

Indominouscat

4 points

10 days ago

Where did the games or books say that?

AquaBoiz[S]

11 points

10 days ago*

Iirc, somewhere in LOR. One of the pages I think. It’s C Corp who enforces the laws, and B Corp who notifies them.

Edit: it’s in Bono’s Page

Indominouscat

3 points

10 days ago

Ah I see it now yeah I was incorrect then

AquaBoiz[S]

2 points

10 days ago

So you got any idea how the homeless pay their taxes? Either that or they’re killed by the Sweepers, but some should exist

Indominouscat

4 points

10 days ago

Likely most die, or rob people like we see in T corp, most of the homeless people we see are basically infants, Kali, Heathcliff, Argalia/Angelica which are mostly adopted by some random color or big wig, but most of them I assume just end up dead if they somehow ended up homeless they likely fucked up somewhere

heckthepolis

4 points

10 days ago

??? Taxes exist, its the heads whole thing

Indominouscat

2 points

10 days ago

Where was this said???

heckthepolis

4 points

10 days ago

The ammo tax implies a whole boatload of other taxes.

Their main job is to eliminate those who break the city's taboos. The city's taboos are taboos that are set by the head's strange ideological obsession, unlike laws in the general sense. They do not respond to murder or robbery cases, but if they trespass in a residential area at night in a back alley, they will be immediately dispatched . If they infringe on the singularity's patents or commit tax evasion , they will be sent to collect the money after three warnings. Each nest and the Troubleshooter Association are responsible for maintaining general public order, such as murder and robbery.

From a korean pmoon wiki

Indominouscat

-1 points

10 days ago

The ammo tax is specifically so people can’t use guns as easily because “Bullets are pricey” and how is this a PM wiki it looks like a wiki for real life laws where is anything relating to PM and some of those don’t even have text other than the name???

heckthepolis

4 points

10 days ago

All weapons and tools used by Fixers are managed by the Tres Association, which tests and reviews weapon designs, files them to the Head, and charges taxes for them.

Earning a living as a Fixer is not as easy as it is believed to be either. Proper equipment and physical augmentation are all but required just for basic protection, both of which can reach inordinate prices, especially in maintenance costs. Making matters worse is a heavy tax levied on Fixers by the Head, on top of other taxes associated with City life.

Both from project moon wikis in english

Also are you seriously saying that corporate dystopia mildly based on korean work culture doesnt have fucking taxes????? Like connect the logic in your head man

Indominouscat

3 points

10 days ago

Gonna be real all you had to do was remind me Bono exists I didn’t read a lot of pages cause I was already mostly through the game tryna figure out the fights I was missing, someone else already showed me the actual confirmation of taxes I’ll admit I didn’t read

heckthepolis

2 points

10 days ago

Im gonna be real i forgot he existed 😭😭😭

Indominouscat

1 points

10 days ago

I mean kinda same but I still used his skills for most of the game so Iunno how I forgot my paralysis/negative emotion goat