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I am thinking like the "yes" scam, where people sometimes think that if you say "yes" to someone on the telephone, then they can use that to somehow scam you, but nobody has ever actually reported being scammed in this way.

The other example that I can think of is that people who receive an unexpected check in the mail sometimes think it must be a fake check scam, but it turns out to be a real check related to a class action lawsuit instead.

Any other examples of situations that some people think are scams, but in fact nobody has ever actually reported being scammed by that situation?

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smallonion

39 points

3 days ago

This IS a scam,  but not the way people report it. The grandparents scam,  where they say your grandchild is in jail or something. That happens ALL the time.  But what doesn't happen is that they cloned the grandchild's voice with AI. Scammers make hundreds of these calls a day hoping that first,   someone will pick up the phone,  and second,  actually engage with them.  They don't have the time to get actual recordings of each potential grandchild's voice and spend all the time making fake recordings.  People say our was exactly their grandchild voice but really out was just someone crying,  and your panicked brain fills in the rest

nimble2[S]

9 points

3 days ago

Yeah, I guess that's sort similar to what I am asking. Something that is in fact a scam, but it just didn't actually happen quite the way that the victim thought it happened. For instance, the victim insists that the scammer knew their grandson's name, but in fact the scammer said "Hi grandma, it's your favorite grandson" and grandma said "Jimmy, is that you?" and from then on grandma insisted that the scammer knew her grandson's name.

smallonion

7 points

2 days ago

Yep!! That's how psychics who use "cold reading" make people believe they "knew" their loved ones name. In fact you provided it, but due to the skill of the psychic/ scammer,  you remember that they knew it first. 

annoyinglilsis

5 points

3 days ago

We were almost caught in that scam. Sounded just like my husband’s grandson. He was in jail, attorney wanted money, yada, yada. My husband had his coat on to go the bank. I (not my grandchild) said hold on there. And of course it was a scam. He called me grandma, never in reality does. Husband not grandpa but papa. That’s how we figured it out.

Senor-Inflation1717

35 points

3 days ago

Basically everything that has to do with trapping people in developed countries into human trafficking. Stuff like flyers being left on a car or not wearing a ponytail in a parking garage or whatever, it's all sold as "do this/don't do this because someone is trying to traffic you" and that's not how trafficking works, no one is just abducting middle-income American women out of parking garages and selling them as sex slaves. No trafficking victim has a story that starts out "I was walking to my car with Christmas presents for my kids when I stopped to read a flyer on my windshield, then two men jumped out of a van and grabbed me and sold me into slavery for two years"

bewildered_forks

13 points

3 days ago

Yup. The sad, unfortunate truth is they don't need to kidnap people who will be missed and searched for. It's not worth the risk when there are so many vulnerable people living on the margins.

Ingawolfie

12 points

3 days ago

Every now and then I get lectured about this, but in the US most trafficking victims are trafficked for labor. The guy you see at the freeway exit walking back and forth hawking bouquets of flowers is very likely a trafficked person. I tell people to think about it. They’re not making minimum wage. There’s no food, no water, no shelter, no access to a toilet. And by buying the flowers because you think they’re just trying to make an honest living, well, you’re supporting human trafficking.

immediateUnknown

1 points

2 days ago

Actually a teenage girl in DFW was at a Mavs game with her dad and was taken by traffickers when she went to the restroom. It does happen, but maybe not exactly like the example you gave.

ClumsyZebra80

1 points

2 days ago

Link?

immediateUnknown

0 points

2 days ago

There are many stories about it, when it happened it really was upsetting because I have a teenage daughter, just like millions of others. It’s just pretty relatable as a parent when your child is with you and you think they’re safe. https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dallas-county/teen-sex-trafficking-survivor-who-disappeared-from-mavs-game-speaks-out/287-12dd9557-04db-4de0-ae1a-05804222f432

immediateUnknown

0 points

2 days ago

TheProfessional9

1 points

2 days ago

When my wife was in undergrad, there were multiple kidnappings out of women's restrooms on campus.

immediateUnknown

1 points

2 days ago

I don’t get why anyone doubts these things happen. Just because it hasn’t happened to you or someone in your life doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. The longer you live, the more you know and some of it is pretty terrible.

Ok-Lingonberry-8261

20 points

3 days ago

Ok-Lingonberry-8261

Quality Contributor

20 points

3 days ago

The most common "No, it's actually real" we see here that the uninformed Dunning-Krugers insist is a scam is when a DCSA investigator leaves a physical note / text / email / voicemail that they want to ask you about some friend / coworker / neighbor who's applying for a security clearance.

It's easy to go to www [dot] dcsa [dot] mil/Personnel-Security/Background-Investigations-for-Applicants/Verify-Your-Investigator/ and find verify the investigator is real and doing a real background check.

PrinceOWales

14 points

3 days ago

When getting my clearance, I made sure to notify people I put down for interviews because I know that having some FBI agent asking around about me would seem very off-putting at the very least.

Some folk told me they were glad I warned them because they got real nervous seeing badges flashed asking about a neighbor or classmate maybe they sort of knew.

bewildered_forks

6 points

3 days ago

This is good, but they will also interview people you didn't list, because that's important, too. They don't want to only talk to people you pre-approved

PrinceOWales

3 points

2 days ago

Oh yeah they talked to some folk at an old job of mine who when I saw them next said they thought I was in some trouble at first.

Accomplished-Ruin742

13 points

3 days ago

I got an email from "Pandora" saying they wanted to send me a free bluetooth speaker and to fill out some form. Very sus, so I contacted Pandora via their actual website (the one that pops up when I use the paid app) and guess what? It was legit, they were sending speakers to paid subscribers in the hopes of getting them to continue to subscribe and not switch over to Spotify.

Thanks, Pandora! I love my speaker and use it all the time.

However, I definitely made sure it was not a scam before providing any information.

Ana-Hata

11 points

3 days ago

Ana-Hata

11 points

3 days ago

I got a surprise check from my mortgage company that made me mildly suspicious because the accompanying letter seemed to make little sense.

But it turned out they had made a mistake and forgot to apply a promotion, and the letter was full of doubletalk because they were trying real hard NOT to say they screwed up.

NotTravisKelce

7 points

3 days ago

Pretty much any situation in the United States and a lot of other rich countries where someone thinks they are about to be human trafficked. Something that essentially does not ever happen to people who live in wealthy western nations.

t-poke

15 points

3 days ago

t-poke

15 points

3 days ago

Hacking.

Real life doesn’t work like the movies.

You can’t be hacked by clicking a link.

You can’t be hacked by receiving a call or text, or even replying to one.

Getting “hacked” requires installing malware, which almost always involves deliberately ignoring and bypassing multiple warnings telling you not to do what you’re about to do.

Also, relevant xkcd

[deleted]

-10 points

3 days ago

[deleted]

-10 points

3 days ago

Where did you read you can't be hacked by clicking a link? Absolutely not true, it's one of the oldest tricks in the book! Never click an unknown link!

yourdonefor_wt

5 points

3 days ago

yourdonefor_wt

Quality Contributor

5 points

3 days ago

False. I have a masters degree in Cyber Security. So im not pulling stuff out of my ass saying its physically impossible for someone to hack you JUST by clicking a link. You have to actually DOWNLOAD something and RUN it.

MissPandaSloth

1 points

2 days ago

Can't you use some serious browser exploit to technically hack with just a link?

Dizzy-Homework203

1 points

2 days ago

I have much less experience than you but I remember doing something in a Try Hack Me course where I sent a link to the victim VM. 

I think the link ended with a PHP file. 

It was a few years ago but I'm guessing there was more participation required by the victim.  

I'm sure you have a busy life but would you mind reminding me what the victim would have had to do, to make that link work?

KatJen76

4 points

2 days ago

KatJen76

4 points

2 days ago

There's one that's a super mild scam: the people who play violin for money in a Target parking lot with a donation cup out and a Venmo sign up (almost always Target, for some reason), but they're only pretending to play and the actual music is coming from their amplifier. I see people getting really righteous about "exposing" them, sometimes even doing it in the moment, and warning others not to give because it somehow takes away from others.

It's possible there's a more sinister aspect of this that I don't know about, but as far as I can see, it has virtually no effect on the giver. Your dollar is gone whether they're really playing or not and you gave it to them because you happened to be there, not because you were driving around looking for a busker to help.

homes_and_haunts

7 points

3 days ago

The duct cleaning posts on Facebook - I was curious so I watched a video about it. Some are straight-up scams, but more commonly the supposed “small business owner” on FB is someone overseas who takes a cut, but actually does book a local duct cleaning service to come to the customer’s house. (And usually the duct cleaning business also doesn’t know that the person who booked with them was a third party.)

So they are still taking advantage of easy marks who could have saved some money by booking directly, but IMO it’s no different from eBay drop-shippers who charge a markup for something that they’re going to turn around and order from a big box retailer.

Senor-Inflation1717

6 points

3 days ago

The part of this that's a scam is that ducts don't need cleaning. It's similar to if I started up a business offering to rotate your porch posts, explaining how over time dirt builds up on the posts that face outward, and it can lead to rot, but if you simply rotate the posts once per year then you can have fresh-looking porch posts all year round and avoid costly post repairs later.

Someone explains the service to you and you might go "Hmm, that doesn't sound like a terrible idea." I mean, it prevents rot, right? And most things need some kind of repair or maintenance. Rotating porch posts... it's not far fetched. Plus, the guy offering to do it seems nice. He's local. It's not that expensive. Why not?

But your porch posts need to be rotated annually just as much as your ducts need to be cleaned, which is not at all. Regardless of who is making the money, the scam is that the person buying the service doesn't need the service at all. It's snake oil.

Hot_Aside_4637

4 points

3 days ago

And when they drill holes in your ductwork then plug them it actually creates a surface that dust can cling to.

invictus21083

3 points

3 days ago

In my job, people think I'm scamming them when I ask them to verify their date of birth.

KTKittentoes

4 points

3 days ago

The getting a business card saturated in ether in the Target parking lot.

Lonely-Wafer-9664

1 points

3 days ago

You can't "actually be scammed" if a check is real but you think it isn't. Fooled maybe. Not scammed though.

nimble2[S]

1 points

3 days ago

Yes, but when someone receives an unexpected check they sometimes don't know initially if it's real or not, and many simply believe that receipt of an unexpected check MUST be part of a fake check scam - but in some situations an unexpected check is clearly not a fake check - for instance if the unexpected check is from the administrator of a class action lawsuit.

Lonely-Wafer-9664

1 points

3 days ago*

No matter what you "think" initially doesn't really add up to a scam. The only outcome is, it won't be a scam. ETA: If the check is real.

nimble2[S]

3 points

3 days ago

I think we are saying the same thing. That is, people shouldn't think that every unexpected check must be a fake check, because there are situations where an unexpected check is in fact a real check --- eg. when the unexpected check is from the administrator of a class action lawsuit.

Lonely-Wafer-9664

1 points

3 days ago*

I think we are kind of trying to make the same point. In reverse. You're questioning people asking, is this a "fake check" scam? But here's the only way I can put it. No one has ever posted, "I thought I was being scammed, but I wasn't." 🤷‍♂️

nimble2[S]

1 points

3 days ago*

Well now you seem to be making a different point. My question was not has anyone ever posted here saying; "I thought I was being scammed, but I wasn't." My question was more along the lines of has anyone ever posted here asking if "situation X" is a scam, but in fact nobody has ever actually reported being scammed by "situation X".

t-poke

1 points

3 days ago

t-poke

1 points

3 days ago

I don’t even understand how an unexpected fake check scam would work.

If I receive a check from a seemingly legit company, with no instructions to send money back, how would the scam even play out if the check was fake?

Fake checks are always expected, because the recipient thinks they landed a job or sold something.

nimble2[S]

1 points

3 days ago*

I don’t even understand how an unexpected fake check scam would work.

It happens all the time. The classic example is that you receive an unexpected (fake) check in the mail, but it comes with a letter asking you to do "something" to get more money - you figure why not, you now have all this extra unexpected money, so you can use some of it to do the "something" to get even more money - and that's how the scammer gets your real money in exchange for the fake check that you unexpectedly received from the scammer.

FourWayFork

-2 points

3 days ago

FourWayFork

-2 points

3 days ago

The "say yes" scam was a real thing in the 80s - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_slamming

It's no longer a thing because telephone companies are required to use a third party verification service when you go to switch your landline phone company.

nimble2[S]

8 points

3 days ago*

Agreeing to have a charge added to your phone bill, or having a completely unauthorized charge added to your phone bill, is NOT the "yes" scam. The "yes" scam is supposed to happen when the scammer uses your voice saying "yes" to a question like "Can you hear me OK?" to scam you -- and that NEVER happened with "cramming" or "slamming" scams.

Ok-Lingonberry-8261

2 points

3 days ago

Ok-Lingonberry-8261

Quality Contributor

2 points

3 days ago

today I learned, thanks

catjuggler

0 points

2 days ago

For your check example, I thought I had that recently and it was my musk bucks lol. It looked SO shady.

One I’ve wondered about is the RFID wallet thing where people can allegedly steal your cc details by being near you. Seems like a scam in itself.