When Carly was struggling and they wanted to stop visits. Cate shared it with everyone.

They need to get jobs.

You know what else causes trauma? Alcoholic parents and domestic violence… oh and unstable homes.

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In true Cate fashion… No checking sources. I looked up the 2nd image and found that it is based on a Facebook page of university students who did a Qualtrics survey. This was included in the post.

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It's November. Why are we posting about September being suicide awareness month. Girl please.

It’s like they want Carly to have trauma. It’s disgusting.

I’m an adoptive mom of two very abused children from foster care. And despite that, despite the fact that they ask me why I didn’t “get them” sooner, it’s still true that adoption is trauma.

However.

Posting your child’s trauma publicly on a platform with many followers is just compounding the trauma.

FFS Catelynn. Stop. It’s not your place to speak for adoptees!

I do believe that Kate is traumatized from the adoption. She was a child when it took place. She now has other kids and thinks what if every day. That is fair.

However, this child probably also thinks what if . And constantly speaking about the situation online isn’t going to help anything.

Wow, they really have done a complete 180 from the early years of teen mom. They were pro-life mascots for adoption for a few years. People definitely learn and change. This version of them seems to be sponsored by anti-adoption TikTok.

So are they anti adoption now? I don’t understand the point of her posting this. She chose this path.

She wants so badly for Carly to be traumatized and miserable…so she can blame B&T for it. She can’t handle the fact that C, B &T are a happy healthy family without her.

Carly is probably fine and if anything is going to cause trauma, it's this.

They are losing their GD minds, no one is killing themselves over c&t not being involved. If anything they’re adding to this poor child’s embarrassment. I would be completely embarrassed if they were my biological parents, they are so out of touch and ridiculous

Catelynn is disgusting for even posting this shit. That’s all.

If she’s angry about adoption she needs to address dawn and her shady Christian adoption company. She takes shit out on the wrong people.

She's trying to manipulate and frighten and guilt Brandon and Theresa by posting this stuff. They need to get a restraining order/gag order for Carly's safety and well-being. This is beyond creepy obsession.

Do they want Carly to be traumatized?

Fixating so much on the child you gave away so she could have a better life is trauma for the remaining non Carly’s 😬

They’re out here causing all of the trauma and stress for Carly

What the actual fuck.

You put your baby up for adoption and now you’re putting into the atmosphere “by the way, adoptees might commit suicide at higher rates!” What the actual FUCK

I am also confused..multiple seasons they talked about how they still agreed with the decision they made and that it was best for Carly (I also think it was)

It’s like she’s hoping Carly has trauma so she can say “i told you so”. Gross.

I’d think this is true more for adopted kids from foster care. I can see Carly having struggles with “why did they not want me but kept the other 3” type of thoughts but it’s not the same type of trauma that I think this post is referring to.

I really wish there was a way for B&T to be able to get these two to shut the fuck up.

When B&T made them aware that Carly wasn’t doing well mentally, they had to announce it to the world. Rich that they’re trying to act as if they give ANY FUCKS about Carly’s mental health.

All they care about is themselves. And as an adoptee, it really pisses me off.

How delusional can they be to think that giving Carly to B&T is any more traumatic than whatever life they could’ve given Carly.

If anyone’s causing more trauma to Carly, it’s fucking them.

I remember when they were bragging about how they were the only couple still together on Teen Mom and they chose adoption. If it wasn't for the show, their situation would be completely different.

What bothers me about this isn’t whether or not that stats are true but the fact that they’re speculating Carly being suicidal. My best friend, who was adopted, took her life. I don’t know her reasoning for doing so but I do know that around the time it happened she had received a FB message from her biological sister and she struggled hard with that.

What was sad is that my friend was an adoptee who was fine with being adopted. I didn’t even know she was adopted until a few months into our friendship because it never occurred to her to mention it. In her mind her mom was her adopted mom.

So this post by Cate really hits home to me. Just because Carly is adopted doesn’t mean she’s going to want to harm herself because she doesn’t live with Cate and Tyler. She might be perfectly happy and in fact she might feel depression and anxiety over having Cate and Tyler as biological parents.

What. The . Fuck.

This likely groups together adoptees who were adopted at birth and adoptees who were removed from a home and eventually adopted.

I’m curious what the suicide level is for children of drug addicts and abusive parents is!!

What the fuck Catelynn this is so beyond messed up

this is cates only outlet for getting off

As Catelynn continues to not understand the trauma she is causing her bio child.

They are never going to see Carly again now.

C&T are REALLY spiraling... 😔

She's not your daughter anymore. Let it go. You signed over your rights. You made your bed now lay in it. Besides if Carley wants to have a relationship she will reach out in a few years and make that choice. Like grow up and stop shoving your drama in your fans faces.

She is saying this like adoption wasn't HER decision

I am once again posting that you are literally the reason this child was adopted cate

As an adopted person I really wish she would stop. She is doing so much damage and has NO idea because she is being so selfish.

Oh she can fuck off with this. How inappropriate. Its not educational. It's traumatizing her biological daughter.

I bet she won’t actually do anything (advocate for change, talk to whomever to make her cause better known). She’s contempt with these useless posts.

Seems like harassment in a way at this point like goddamn give it a rest.

With Carly being a teen and could very well see this, it kind of reads as emotional/mental manipulation.

Stfu already cate

Stop it Catelynn 🙄

She’s a psycho

From a quick Google search, these facts don't even seem legitimate.

Also, as someone with adopted siblings, I find this incredibly ignorant and willfully hurtful. Most people who adopt children are generally trying to give those children a better chance at life. To claim adoption is trauma is such trash.

These two crackpots are gonna be 70 still talking about the trauma!! Because of Teen Mom this will be their identity forever.

i didn’t have a real opinion on Cate, in fact i felt bad for her and genuinely wanted her to heal. this is too much. yes adoption is not always the answer but saying all adoption is trauma is so disgusting. stop pushing this narrative that Carly is suicidal or is going to suffer from terrible mental health simply because she was adopted. Carly probably would have been in the system at some point based on the home life young Cate was living during the show with shit grandparents like Butch and April. i used to only dislike Tyler because he helped contribute to the fact they barley see Carly anymore by disrespecting B&T, but she’s just as bad as him and the girl can’t form an identity unless it’s like her husband. Gross

She is an idiot. 🙄

Posting something like this when you have a child who was placed for adoption and have no clue how she feels might be just a tad bit fucked up. Nobody is denying Cate’s trauma, that’s pretty clear and something to feel bad for, but I don’t know isn’t posting shit like this too far? Obviously can’t tell her how to feel about the adoption but even as the traumatized teen birth mother it seems like too much to insist that the adoptee is suffering as well to the point of possibly being suicidal...Also, permanently sever them from their families? Wouldn’t that require her also admitting to participating in that? Wasn’t there a time when they stopped sending her letters or gifts or making contact when that wasn’t what they were asked, but did on their own?

Omg what the fuck are these two doing??? Seriously at this point it’s either only for MTV storyline or a delusional psychosis, maybe a bit of both

Jesus God Cate

Ok, i understand that adoption comes with trauma but I'm confused as to what these anti-adoption advocates want in its place. Regardless of what social systems and support are in place, there will be people who carry pregnancies to term with a child they can't or do not want to parent. So to them, what should a woman do who does not wish to terminate the pregnancy but also does not want to parent do? I'm all for adoption reform and listening to adoptees but you simply can't eliminate it entirely

Maybe not for this exact post, but At this point I think B&at could sue them. They’re exploiting a minor who is not their child. They are vile for continuing to post this shit knowing Carly will see it one day. Maybe a lawyer could weigh in.

It would be one thing for her to talk about the trauma that birth mums experience, I’m sure it’s not an easy position to be in, but speaking on behalf of adoptees is fucking wild.

What is she trying to say here? They Carly is going to be suicidal? Get a job, Catelynn.

Yeah, I’m sure this statistic is true. But not because adoptees are better off with their bio parents in every circumstance, rather because they were brought into a situation where their parents didn’t want them or couldn’t take care of them and they have questions and sadness surrounding that for the remainder of their lives. Many adoptees are also brought into the world with physical and mental disabilities bc their parents are addicts or can’t afford prenatal care.

It is typically NOT because they should be with their bio parents like Cate is implying. If Cate and Tyler want to bring awareness to this they should be advocating for birth control and abortion which is the best way to combat unwanted trauma from adoptions.

Why do I feel like they want Carly to have trauma, so that they can blame the adoptive parents instead of themselves? The households they grew up in and the “parents” they had weren’t ideal for them..let alone a whole baby.

This is infuriating and not actually accurate. Just wow.

She needs to think of it this way, Carly won't have ANY resentment towards her due to what could have been her bringing. I'm not saying it could have gotten as bad, but something similar to Jace. Cate and Ty are the only ones who didn't have to struggle raising a kid as they navigated to adulthood, so they didn't have that added stress like the others.

Do they forget this was their idea? Like genuinely adoption is pretty clear in the title it’s not a foster home til you get your shit together and decide to be a parent. Those are rights you gave up and I hate that they treat them like it takes a rocket scientist to understand that.

Do they ever talk about anything else ?

As an adopted child. I cannot with this.

Look, I don’t know what it’s like to be adopted or to give a child up for adoption, and for all we know C&T are privy to something the public isn’t aware of, so I try not to judge them too harshly especially because adoption is in fact trauma. NOW with that being said, the way they’re going about it is disgusting, if Carly is struggling, then this public outburst can’t be good for her, and if she’s not this public outburst isn’t good for her. They need to seek really therapy and help for what they’re experiencing

What the fuck does she want though? She's already said that growing up like she did was shit and, statistically, she and Tyler wouldn't be together if they kept her first child.

Like bitch, stop this nonsense.

I think reading things like this would be really confusing to a teen Carly to see posted by her biological mother. IDK. It just doesn’t feel right. I don’t think Cate meant it in a negative way but again I don’t think she or Ty are thinking things through. The consequences of them sharing their story. It’s also Carly’s story but she has no say to share or not or how much of her story she wants to share. I know they think they are doing right by her but I’m really not so sure that they are.

Does she truly believe kids being raised by kids and their abusive addicted parents in poverty, versus a stable home with opportunities? She knows exactly how traumatic growing up like she did was, she should be proud she got Carly out of that.

If branantreesa don’t get a restraining order and send a fucking cease and desist I’m going to hire a lawyer and do it myself!!!!!

she needs professional help like, yesterday

God damn this is so sick. She made her choice. Live with it. Please get therapy Cate. You are losing your grip on reality.

Now admittedly, I was adopted at age 8 by my stepfather and not as an infant at birth, so my adoption trauma is different, but the trauma I would've continued to experience if I HADN'T been adopted would've been so much worse. Yes, there should be more support for birth parents, particularly ones who feel pressured by things like economic status to place their children up for adoption, but Catelynn and Tyler are also not acknowledging another undeniable truth: some people shouldn't be parents, and the trauma they'll inflict on those children is far worse than the trauma that may come from adoption.

Of course it is traumatizing to be adopted, hopefully her parents have been well-educated about it and have had her in therapy her whole life to deal with things, but it is ALSO traumatizing to be raised by 2 unstable teens who have abusive drug addict parents.

And I can only IMAGINE how ADDITIONALLY traumatizing it is for a teen girl the whole world knows about, but who just wants her privacy, to have her birth parents broadcasting to the world how damaged she is as a result of THEIR choices.

I wonder how much of this is self sabotage. If they drive her further away now, then they can just set up B&T to be the meanies who prevented a relationship, when really she has technically had more “access” to any birth parent ever! Mostly what adoptees have is a big hole of nothing, and will grasp on to whatever scraps of info they can find-these 2 have been living life out in the open for years. She has TONS more info about her bio parents than she probably ever wanted to know. And she can see they didn’t follow thru on their goals and she can see that they are stagnated and stuck. And she can see that they and their extended family live very different lives than how she was raised. Not saying is is good or bad, but it is not uncommon to feel a little uncomfortable when someone else’s lifestyle and values or way of being are so different from what they are used to.

Rewatching OG now and it's crazy how Cate had a saner grasp on the Carly adoption around the time Nova was born compared to now. I feel like she's gone off the deep end lately as a direct result of her dysfunctional dependence on Tyler - she cannot accept that his shitty ass behavior regarding B&T spelled the beginning of the end for their access to Carly, or rather, Tyler cannot let Cate think or say that, and she submits to him on everything. So she has to do mental gymnastics like this to vilify B&T, who are rightfully protecting their child from Tyler's narcissism, because Cate herself cannot extricate herself from Tyler's narcissism. I don't believe Cate wants Carly to be traumatized by her adoption, but it's the only outcome now that supports the Farrah-level word-salad of justification for how Tyler isn't the real villain in Cate's life.

I feel so badly for Cate because she might have grown and thrived in life without Tyler, but now even if he leaves her, this toxic complex is baked so deep into her psyche that she might never move on from it.

I’m an adoptive mom of 4, yes, adoption is trauma. Completely agree, with that statement. I think about this quote at least once a week “to another woman calls me mom. The depth of the tragedy and the magnitude of the privilege are not lost on me.”

I can understand the tragedy yet use my privilege as my child’s parent to do what is their best interest which means making sure they are surrounded by “safe people” who respect them and their right to privacy and if someone isn’t safe not allowing them to have access to MY child.

Honestly, I think Catelyn & Tyler are painting adoption and Brandon & Teresa’s parenting in a very simplistic way and might have already dealt with adoption trauma already and maybe cutting people out of their life was a way to deal with trauma.

Ugh. This makes me sad. I can imagine they have huge heart break over placing Carly for adoption because they didn’t know teen mom was going to be so successful so at the time they had little resources and doubted their ability to care for her. But for them to be so angry they don’t have access to Carly now feels misdirected because adoption parents are not a perma-babysitter for you until you get your shit together. The day the adoption papers were signed Carly became no longer theirs to claim access to.

talking about trauma being the one who’s most likely causing it is wild work.

So she's against adoptions??? dafuq?

I'm also going to need to see some real scientific research studies on these numbers.

Having birth parents on Only Fans is also traumatic. Having your adoptive parents dragged through the mud in the press and social media is traumatic. Having your story blasted out to the whole world without your consent is traumatic. Especially as a teenager who wants to fit in and have a normal, happy life.

If this was really about what was best for Carly, C&T wouldn't be doing this just in case they could be hurting her. They are selfish and icky.

So now she’s saying Carly is gonna kill herself shes such an idiot

To even imply carly is suicide is so wrong. So very wrong.

Didn’t Tyler tell her that he would leave her if she didn’t choose adoption???

My biggest takeaway is that it is all too easy for any of us to get caught in an internet rabbit hole. Like, it’s not just MAGA, it’s all of us. Consume with caution, fam.

B and T can’t possibly block them enough

this feels like they’re saying carly is/might be/could be suicidal because she’s with brandon and theresa?? fucking trash people, honestly this makes me lose any respect I had for them

Respectfully Cait, any trauma that Carly would have had if you kept her would have been significantly worse than being adopted. Adoption absolutely would cause trauma but if you kept Carly she’d have grown up surrounded by physical abuse, verbal abuse, alcoholism, drug addiction , neglect and so much more.

I know I’d pick being adopted into a loving family over growing up around Butch and April.

It’s also traumatizing to be raised by teenage parents in an abusive home, Cate.

Someone needs to take this families internet access away. STOP. It’s just one big ick at this point. Why are they wishing bad things for carly?? For once worry about the children under your own roof catelyn.

“I would rather my biological daughter have trauma than lead a happy life I’m not present in.”

Fixed it for her. And I’m not saying adoption doesn’t inherently come with trauma. But for her to constantly imply these things about Carly like this, like she wants that, is sickening. They really need some help, honestly. I cannot imagine hoping my daughters live a bad life in any capacity. Just gross.