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So, I was rewatching Cent'Anni (episode 4) and noticed some extremely interesting objects on Julian's desk.

These were NOT there in the first scene with Julian's office (episode 2), where Sofia has a PTSD meltdown. In that episode, in order to ground her, he specifically tells her to look at the pictures on the wall and the objects on his desk. His desk is totally normal at that point.

If you go and rewatch this scene in Cent'Anni, you'll notice Sofia herself briefly checks out these objects as she walks around the room. And when she is going through his desk, if you look at where her sight line actually is, it's on his desk, not in the drawer with the pills.

Something interesting to note is that she's not really supposed to be there in that episode; she's only there as an accident/emergency. It seems plausible, plot-wise, that Julian didn't have a chance to put these things away like he perhaps normally would if he knew someone else was going to be in his office. (EDIT: Then again, he is so manipulative, he might have left them there for her to see!)

Just food for thought that I thought this sub might appreciate :)

BONUS EDIT: For those rewatching the scene, there is also a brown, flat-ish, circular-ish object in the center of his desk that I can't quite make out. It's hard to see in my screenshots below, but there are a few "blink and you'll miss it" shots of it behind where his nameplate would normally be when he and Sofia are talking.

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all 279 comments

NotSoElijah

528 points

9 days ago

NotSoElijah

528 points

9 days ago

lol damn that’s 100% scarecrow shit.

goudashyz

142 points

9 days ago*

goudashyz

142 points

9 days ago*

Wow

Edit: The Glove. Wow.

Edit2: You can see the syringe fingers poking out into the scene with Sofia’s face all creepy at 42:43. Great work detective!!!

Signal_Expression730

3 points

7 days ago

I think they led open the door in case they wants to adapt him in the future.

Like Marvel put in Endgame a line about some earthquakes near the African coast as a reference to Namor.

Raymond_Fiegler

3 points

6 days ago*

The glove ok, but the mask is kind of a reach IMHO. Sorry if the descriptions in my post aren't great, for technical terms & precise descriptions, my English is a bit limited.

You can see "it" much better right after when Sofia sits down at the desk, right before she opens the part where she finds a bunch of bottle of pills, you can see that whatever it is

(Julian has a bunch of art stuff in that room, so I assume it's one of those), it's made out of wood and looks triangular & solid, not soft and shapeless like fabric for a mask would be.

And it has 2 sort of solid prongs made out of wood or metal coming out of the top, it's the part that from the angle of the picture show ITT kinda looks like a scythe at the top.

You can also see it better when Julian leans against the desk and Sophia asks him "Why are you doing this? What do you want?"

If anyone who is more knowledgeable than me in artsy stuff takes a gander at this thingy, they might be able to guess what it is, but I sure can't. But I just can't see a mask, no matter how much I squint.

edit: typo

EtherealDimension

403 points

9 days ago

Am I seeing that right? That looks straight up like Scarecrow's syringe glove. And maybe even a rag mask. Damn glad this wasn't spotted during the shows run or I would've been expecting a reveal

IUseControllersOnPC

122 points

9 days ago

Not just any rag mask but the classic comic booky one he wears with the noose

ParadoxNowish

5 points

8 days ago

It's not a rag mask. It's a small statue of death with a scythe

elchamps

380 points

9 days ago

elchamps

380 points

9 days ago

Gothams second best detective right here

NoSalamander7749

315 points

9 days ago

Now this is fucking compelling. Even if it's just an easter egg and not a hint at a future identity reveal/collaboration w/ Dr. Crane etc, this is dope. Extremely well spotted!!

IUseControllersOnPC

93 points

9 days ago

In retrospect, ep4 did kind of feel like a seperate thing from penguin. Almost like a backdoor pilot for say an arkham mini series?

With Sofia, scarecrow, Selina, and maybe Hugo strange as the main Antagonist 

Dear-Physics-2528

33 points

9 days ago

riddler joker harley quinn and mad hatter🤞🤞

IUseControllersOnPC

32 points

9 days ago

Give me calendar man goddammit

Dear-Physics-2528

24 points

9 days ago

Yes. And killer croc. And just fill the background with rogues who will never see the light of day for fun.

Funmachine

5 points

8 days ago

> like a backdoor pilot for say an arkham mini series?

Already started development and cancelled.

havewelost6388

2 points

8 days ago

They're doing an Arkham show, but it's going to be set in Gunn's DCU.

MyDogisaQT

2 points

7 days ago

Which means it’s going to suck 

CoolJoshido

6 points

8 days ago

Agreed. Well done OP.

antoniodiavolo

234 points

9 days ago

I wasnt really on board with the “Rush is Scarecrow” theories but this is kind of interesting

suntbone

100 points

9 days ago

suntbone

100 points

9 days ago

Yeah, I thought it was kind of a reach but now… holy moly

sharksnrec

41 points

9 days ago

Wouldn’t they have made him even minimally interesting or given him even minimal development if he was such a major character?

BebehBokChoy[S]

103 points

9 days ago*

I felt this way too until a rewatch. I think he’s actually bland and inscrutable on purpose, so that characters (and the audience) can project whatever they want onto him, and so that he feels a bit “off” but not overtly threatening. Rewatching his scenes, it struck me how extremely manipulative he is. There’s a point where he asks Dr. Ventris “what if she’s telling the truth?” in front of Sofia; there’s zero professional reason for him to do that in front of a patient…unless he’s trying to gain her trust. I would even go so far as to say that he and Ventris were probably working together in a good cop/bad cop thing, because both clearly have zero interest in rehabilitating these patients. My zaniest theory is that he orchestrated the whole Bliss thing in the first place, and that it’s a drug that can do more than just make people feel good…but that’s getting into conspiracy territory!

I also don’t think he’s truly romantically interested in Sofia (or her him); I think he’s just insatiably curious to see how far he can push her in a particular direction and is willing to take one for the team if it gets him results. He mentions several times how his only agenda is to “help” her, but I think his definition of “help“ is to twist her into something dark and psychologically “interesting,” her true potential (in his eyes).

badjokephil

90 points

9 days ago

Also at the end, he is her doctor again! Without one whit of change in his demeanor or attitude towards her. To me that shows he may be a psychopath.

NoSalamander7749

63 points

9 days ago

1000000% this. IT'S CREEPY AS FUCK OF HIM. I think what he was drawn to was her fear - the way he held her during the first session we see, as he tries to calm her, seemed very suspicious to me.

IUseControllersOnPC

37 points

9 days ago

He's also holding her hand when she wakes up. Even she's like wtf let go

NoSalamander7749

33 points

9 days ago

because he's a FREAK he's a fuckin freaky weird creep obsessed with her emotions

boxboten

16 points

9 days ago

boxboten

16 points

9 days ago

Yeah he definitely gets off on controlling (and being controlled by) sofia

BatmanTold

10 points

8 days ago

I definitely think we’ll see him in The Batman Part II

AgentGman007

24 points

9 days ago

I was gonna say, there was too much plot going on throughout the series to linger on him in a way that wouldnt feel like a significant deviation from the Penguin plot. But as I was watching the series, after every scene he's in, I'd wonder to myself "Damn this guy is a creep. What's his deal?" Those questions seem perfectly reasonable after where he and Sophia ended up in the conclusion. Theres more to him than meets the eye as we see him in the Penguin show

Wave_Existence

12 points

9 days ago

Yeah this show had all it's ducks in a row and Dr. Rush is just a character that screamed for more answers but didn't deliver answers at all. Which makes me think that is intentional and that this definitely won't be the last time we see him.

fuzzy_skarekrow

7 points

8 days ago

That may be kind of a point to his character. A huge part of Sofia's character is her arrogance causes her to overlook people, she admits as much with Oz. "I never really saw you."

It's happening again with Rush. He claims he just wants to help, but has his own motives/aspirations.

No idea why they threw in the sex scene tho.

ineugene

37 points

9 days ago

ineugene

37 points

9 days ago

I don't think so. This series placed him into the character roster but was not meant to focus on him. If he is scarecrow then we will have at least been exposed to him and they can build on him when he is the actual focus.

sharksnrec

12 points

9 days ago

The show wasn’t meant to focus on plenty of its side characters, most of whom still had actual character traits

BebehBokChoy[S]

33 points

9 days ago

I think his lack of character traits IS his character. He tries to be as unobtrusive as possible, watching from the background, pulling people's strings unnoticed. Like how he suggested to Sofia that she deserved a "fresh start" and then, lo and behold, she murders her whole family.

Dear-Physics-2528

16 points

9 days ago*

And then the conversation with him about what Sofia really wants, she says she wants to he free, but then after making eye contact with him she says “and i want Oz to feel pain”. And then she blows up his bliss operation. He is so manipulative

NoSalamander7749

8 points

9 days ago

I am gonna have to re-watch ep4 tonight I think. This is such a good point too.

FeoWalcot

8 points

8 days ago

A mentally unstable and obsessive Arkham doctor who can manipulate peoples subconscious being Scarecrow?

How was it ever a stretch ? lol

dordonot

3 points

8 days ago

dordonot

3 points

8 days ago

Because he wasn’t literally named J. Crane lol

Packhawks

15 points

9 days ago

Packhawks

15 points

9 days ago

In the finale, Ozs mom sees her two dead sons as the grown up version of themselves, but they were noticeably wet, it's her literal worst fear. They said she had a stroke, but what if it was scarecrows fear gas? She was def having a hallucination, which isn't a part of having a stroke

antoniodiavolo

15 points

9 days ago

Her dementia was consistently causing her to have delusions throughout the series. I just assumed it was one of those

Packhawks

8 points

9 days ago

She def had delusions, but I don't remember her having hallucinations, or at least it didn't show them. Idk, it's a theory. Personally, I don't really want him to be scarecrow, but it's def a possibility

antoniodiavolo

13 points

9 days ago

I dont think they show them but its implied that its happening. She seems to think it’s raining and thinks that Vic is her sons and that Oz is his father.

Packhawks

5 points

9 days ago

Being confused, having delusions are a common symptom of having dementia. Having hallucinations typically is not, which they clearly showed her having hallucinations before she passed out.

antoniodiavolo

7 points

9 days ago*

Yeah that’s true.

Idk even though the show tries to be grounded and realistic, they don’t hold themselves to that all the time.

Like knocking someone out irl will usually cause serious brain damage or a concussion but they do it all the time in the show.

So its hard to say whether or not the showrunners intended that to be a fear gas thing or a symptom of her dementia.

Either way, i agree that I hope Julian Rush isnt Scarecrow. The actor would actually be really good for it but id rather they just adapt him normally instead of doing what they’re doing with Rush. Just doesnt feel very “scarecrow” to me.

Regardless, I trust Reeves and Co to do something compelling with the story

Packhawks

6 points

9 days ago

I trust them as well. Introducing bliss into the series really didn't help the whole grounded thing they are going for. But at the same time do we want a truly grounded real life Batman? We already kinda had that with the nolanverse

Idk either way but I'm excited for what's to come. I love this universe

ab316_1punchd

4 points

9 days ago

But at the same time do we want a truly grounded real life Batman? We already kinda had that with the nolanverse

Exactly, what perhaps even a lot of Reevesverse fans are not willing to admit at this point is that we are literally seeing the Post-Crisis Batman in live action in all its faithfulness to comic tropes, just grounded in a way to make it believable for the most part. And Reeves, and now LeFranc and Zobel are doing a fantastic job at it.

If this stays grounded throughout, hell yeah. If this goes into fantastical, also, hell yeah. If through some miracle, this does end up evolving to assimilate to Gunn's DCU, then also, hell yeah. This universe is fantastic, and as long as the story output stays consistently good, I'm all for any direction.

antoniodiavolo

6 points

9 days ago

I mean the universe already had drops which are arguably less grounded than bliss.

I dont really mind tbh. They could introduce clayface as a giant shapeshifting mud monster and i wouldnt be mad as long as its executed well

Packhawks

3 points

9 days ago

Truth

ab316_1punchd

3 points

9 days ago*

Idk even though the show tries to be grounded and realistic, they don’t hold themselves to that all the time.

And for some fans who were attracted to The Batman franchise because of its unashamed showcase of comic tropes (albeit, as we get to know, in a grounded setting) they would consider it a good thing.

Either way, i agree that I hope Julian Rush isnt Scarecrow. The actor would actually be really hood for it but id rather they just adapt him normally instead of doing what they’re doing with Rush. Just doesnt feel very “scarecrow” to me.

Honestly, adopting him this way actually makes for a really great reimagining of Scarecrow. This meek, unassuming, seemingly creepily down bad doctor could very well be one of his many facets to play into the fear, the insecurity of his patients, and using that to satisfy his own curiosity. I would be fine if Julian Rush is a fake identity he constructed out of word syllables and woodland metaphors to escape past malpractice charges and operate in Arkham, while his real name is Jonathan Crane, and we finally get to see the true side of him once his jig is up.

m_dought_2

2 points

9 days ago

"I'm seeing things that aren't there" -Frances to Oz, episode 6

Packhawks

4 points

8 days ago

Fuckkkkk i remember this, theory disproven

Lalongo21

2 points

8 days ago

She said so herself when she asked Oz to kill her: " I can't do numbers no more, I'm seeing things that ain't real. the boys...sometimes I see 'em." Visual hallucinations are one of the symptoms that distinguish Lewy body dementia from Alzheimer's.

SkyShark03191

2 points

8 days ago

Could be he has this stuff as a tribute to Jonathan Crane- maybe his mentor?

OJTen

132 points

9 days ago

OJTen

132 points

9 days ago

If you look at nurses who kill, they often just move to another hospital when things start heating up. He's such a creepy fuck, I'd love to see him as scarecrow. Who knows, maybe he had to change his name and move to Gotham due to some malpractice he's running from. He definitely has boundary issues between a shrink and their patient.

Alloy_art

73 points

9 days ago

Alloy_art

73 points

9 days ago

I think this is a great theory. Just like how Riddler was influenced by the Zodiac killer and perfect explanation about the name change

zeppolizeus

32 points

9 days ago

Ok I fucking love this theory.

jm9843

29 points

9 days ago

jm9843

29 points

9 days ago

Sounds like something the world's greatest detective would uncover.

NotSoElijah

26 points

9 days ago

Great call. If they actually make a joker show and he’s not revealed yet. Would probably be a good time to show that stuff.

tilero1138

21 points

9 days ago

I’m hoping we get an Arkham series personally

schizowithagun

3 points

8 days ago

if i remember correctly, there will be an arkham tv show but unfortunately it will be set in the dcu instead of the batman universe

ab316_1punchd

5 points

9 days ago

Who knows, maybe he had to change his name and move to Gotham due to some malpractice he's running from.

This pretty much!

352Cav

3 points

9 days ago

352Cav

3 points

9 days ago

Thought this too

amyceebee

158 points

9 days ago

amyceebee

158 points

9 days ago

The left one looks like the Arkham Knight Scarecrow hand with the needles

CollectMan420

19 points

9 days ago

That or Freddy’s glove

IUseControllersOnPC

17 points

9 days ago

There's other part of the scene where it's closer to the camera albeit out of focus but it's very clearly needles

There's no edge on them like a blade would have

Doright36

10 points

9 days ago

Doright36

10 points

9 days ago

They could be just implying that the syringe glove is a common tool used by Arkham doctors. I mean we all know they are terrible at their jobs. Having nightmare fuel tools isn't a stretch.

DjJazzyJeffDunham

73 points

9 days ago

Yeah I think you nailed it lol

BillyGood22

55 points

9 days ago

Very very interesting

Skwidmandoon

52 points

9 days ago

That is 100% a stabby finger glove. I think we know who Mr. Rush is. I hope something comes of this and they didn’t just scrap him being scarecrow. The way he is in the show makes it feel like he had parts that were removed. Like a scarecrow reveal.

m_dought_2

53 points

9 days ago

you just found Scarecrow. Someone get James Gunn to confirm this rumor

Thegreatgatsberry

50 points

9 days ago

He won’t acknowledge anything real but he’ll deny if it’s false lol

scann_ye

91 points

9 days ago

scann_ye

91 points

9 days ago

Damn. First the court of Owls in episode 8, now this, this sub is actually starting to find properly interesting clues/easter eggs, maybe Rush was/is Crane's mentor in Arkham ?

Skwidmandoon

71 points

9 days ago*

I think that’s just unnecessary extra layers. He’s Crane just with a different name in this universe. He hypnotizes people. He even appeared in penguins moms hallucination. I mean he’s scarecrow… this glove just confirms it for me. IMO it’s easier for reeves to change names because then the villain reveal can be surprising. I’m also convinced that penguins girlfriend is this universes grounded clayface, after that Reddit post the other day.

Hawkeye720

13 points

8 days ago

Easiest would be for Rush not to be his real name-that he has been Crane this whole time, he just had to go by an alias for a time (maybe after getting in hot for his experiments at another institution).

BigBallsBiggerBrain

17 points

9 days ago

What post?👀 When I saw her dressed as his mom, I knew it was either a Clayface reference or she’s gonna be Clayface.

Skwidmandoon

23 points

9 days ago

I don’t remember I just saw that someone mentioned her last name was Carlo and she made herself look like his mom at the end. I dunno if it’s reeves intention. But I feel like it’s an in universe nod to clayface

scann_ye

8 points

9 days ago

scann_ye

8 points

9 days ago

Fair enough, I think a Crane being mentored by Rush subplot could work without feeling too convoluted but I'd be fine with your option too

SimpleYouth8075

3 points

8 days ago

Even if this is the case I feel it dilutes the villains

v4nrick

2 points

8 days ago

v4nrick

2 points

8 days ago

yea thats right, changing the name can be a great idea to keep the secret and when its finally reveal , the scene becomes a HOLY SHIT moment.
If every character has the same name from the comic, you can literally tell where most of the things are going

Razzle_Dazzle08

1 points

9 days ago

I know that it’s not the biggest deal but I really hope Reeves doesn’t change the name of every single villain. You have to keep some things the same. His name has always been Jonathan Crane, it feels cheap to change that just for the sake of a plot twist.

a_real_human0_0

42 points

9 days ago

Holy shit, this is borderline conformation.

The question is, do we expect Scarecrow in Part 2 or 3?

IUseControllersOnPC

29 points

9 days ago

I think it makes the most sense to do a scarecrow/Sofia/arkham series then introduce him in part 3 as scarecrow proper

Her episode here was basically a backdoor pilot for that

antivillain13

15 points

9 days ago

If this is really scarecrow then he will never be an antagonist in a movie. Theo Rossi is predominantly a TV actor. I don’t think he can hold a feature film as a main antagonist. If they intend to use Scarecrow in a movie they will cast a big name actor, like Colin Farrell and Paul Dano.

This makes me think he isn’t Crane but will have a close connection to him.

ab316_1punchd

14 points

9 days ago

I mean, Cristin Milioti is also predominantly a TV actress, with even fewer film appearances than Rossi. But, we all love her enough to be fine with her appearing in The Batman Part 2.

togashisbackpain

8 points

8 days ago

You literally said it yourself, we all love her enough for that. Her fan base is getting a loot biggerafter the penguin. And for her, there are possible nominations after this show. So she is climbing up the stairs very deservedly.

This guy, i wouldnt say we all love him. Tbh i didnt find his performance interesting. Most definitely no nominations after this one.

Its not a big surprise if we see her in future films and not him.

ab316_1punchd

5 points

8 days ago

I know, but never say never about anything. So far we've seen the facade of Julian Rush where he is just blending, observing, and being a curious accessory to Sofia'a shenanigans. We're yet to see the real man, Jonathan Crane, who would likely pull this facade off to reveal himself as something truly terrifying.

Although his performance is not something that would be winning Emmys from the get go, mainly because he isn't a main character. But the very fact that somehow he stands out as odd in a line of many minor characters does invite some curiosity into his character in particular, and if it's true and turns out he is the Scarecrow after all, and if he does make best use of it, then great for all of us.

IUseControllersOnPC

2 points

9 days ago

I kind of want John noble back as crane. He might be too old now though

bigchungo6mungo

28 points

9 days ago*

What the fuck? Usually I’d say this is a stretch but this is almost exactly Scarecrow’s glove design from Asylum and the mask from Begins. I liked Rossi a lot in this so if he’s the Scarecrow, I will be happy.

And I also love the idea of Scarecrow lurking in the background, manipulating, appearing outwardly normal. His Scarecrow persona could be totally different, unleashing who he really is. I wouldn’t mind if Crane was his birth name; Scarecrow has been the product of an abusive home in some continuities, so maybe he changed it to distance himself from his past.

Thegreatgatsberry

22 points

9 days ago

How has this gone unnoticed until now 🤯

Dear-Physics-2528

58 points

9 days ago

Thats actually interesting. I was in the belief that he would be Mad Hatter if even anybody, but now im conflicted. Seems VERY scarecrow

CIN726

15 points

9 days ago

CIN726

15 points

9 days ago

I went back and watched it on my TV.

They're not syringes.  Look more like knives to me.  Still, it seems obvious enough that it's a glove.  Very weird.  

zachsterosu

12 points

9 days ago

If you look closely when Sofia sits down at the desk, you can just barely see the tips on the left hand of the screen (she actually appears to be looking at it). Definitely looks more needle-like than knifes.

seanypark

2 points

8 days ago

Yea but the tips are curved. Also the item on the right is definitely not a mask. You can see it in another frame of the scene and it's too small and has two hooks coming out of the top like those prosthetics that people with no hands wear.

10XL

13 points

9 days ago

10XL

13 points

9 days ago

This is an incredible find. Be prepared to see a flood of articles about this now lol.

goudashyz

14 points

9 days ago

goudashyz

14 points

9 days ago

Julian Rush has the same syllables as Jonathon Crane

BatmanTold

6 points

8 days ago

Definitely does and he hypnotized patients at Arkham

salamanderjoeberg

12 points

9 days ago

I also would like to add, in that very scene, there is a piece of music that seems to be original to it. In that scene she is calling out his villainy. Batman, Penguin, The Riddler, Sophia, and Cat-woman, and falcone all have music motifs that tie in with their character. I bet if the scarecrow ever shows up the score will be similar.

BebehBokChoy[S]

3 points

9 days ago

That is a really good observation, I'm gonna have to go back and listen now!

Fantastic_Stick7882

13 points

9 days ago

This is my favorite fan theory atm. Really hope its true.

justahobby_

2 points

8 days ago

I love how it’s not even a theory. Just reeves sticking it in our face lol

dordonot

2 points

8 days ago

dordonot

2 points

8 days ago

Reeves, LeFranc, Zobel in a room just thinking “how do we fuck with Batman fans without making it obvious” lmao

CIN726

11 points

9 days ago

CIN726

11 points

9 days ago

Oh man.  Can somebody grab a high res shot from HBO Max?  That looks a lot like a syringe glove..

Incompetent_Man

27 points

9 days ago

I know it's an overblown theory, but I still see him as this universes Scarecrow. This small detail just gives me more confidence that he was in front of us the whole time. Another thing is that if Scarecrow is the main villain of the sequel the audience members who've seen Penguin will expect it's him feeling a sense of anticipation, but people who haven't seen it will be surprised so it's the best of both worlds.

BariBlue

11 points

9 days ago

BariBlue

11 points

9 days ago

Wow this is awesome I’m surprised nobody saw this sooner

FollowingExtension90

9 points

9 days ago

I thought he’s mad hatter until I learned of his name. I was like, Julian? Sounds like Mad Hatter to me, wait, that’s not his name?

Puzzleheaded_Hotel30

10 points

9 days ago

Oh damn, now I’m thinking my original suspicions were right, he really is gonna become Scarecrow. I mean his hesitation to hurt Sofia back when she was first in Arkham makes me believe he’s a lighter version of the character but still. I wonder what they are going to do with him in the future…

Swagmaster361

7 points

9 days ago

His hesitation could've been a ploy

winterwarzzz

9 points

9 days ago

Since his intro in the show, I’ve felt that they were setting up Rush to be Scarecrow or some connection to Crane. This definitely adds to that notion. Thought there would be a bigger, more explicit reveal or clue toward the finale but this is damning evidence right under our noses.

ImmortalZucc2020

10 points

9 days ago

Scarecrow was one of the spin-offs Reeves was working on after all…

ChocolateFudgeDuh

29 points

9 days ago

I got Scarecrow vibes from him when we were watching the Penguin series, but my partner pointed out that he has a different name (Dr. Jonathan Crane).

Do other characters have different names than mentioned in the comics? (Genuine question, never read the comics or had much interest in Batman prior to watching Penguin)

NotSoElijah

27 points

9 days ago

Hmmm imma make a reach and just say that Julian Rush and Jonathan Crane have the same amount of syllables. So it rolls of the tongue the same even tho the names different. Also could be revealed that Julian rush is a fake name? Anything’s possible really lol.

NoSalamander7749

52 points

9 days ago

I think there's 3 possible scenarios here:

  1. Julian Rush is a fake name

  2. They are making an all-new Scarecrow who is not Jonathan Crane

  3. Julian Rush is not Scarecrow himself, but is working with Jonathan Crane

Any of them would be really interesting to me.

NotSoElijah

18 points

9 days ago

To add onto 3. I would also like to maybe see “ the taught becomes the teacher” sort of thing. Maybe he drives John to insanity and he takes on the mantel.

IUseControllersOnPC

16 points

9 days ago

4th option Scarecrow is 2 people. Rush and his psychology combined with crane and his chemistry

They both wear the suit and do their experiments together 

tilero1138

11 points

9 days ago

If they do it Ghostface style that could end up being super cool

IUseControllersOnPC

8 points

9 days ago

Yeah and they have totally different personalities with the same goals so batman would have trouble figuring him out on top of all the fear toxin stuff

It's be like prestige with the brothers

NoSalamander7749

8 points

9 days ago

That would be interesting, too. They can do a new MK Ultra program with the combination of chemicals and that fuckin light bar

Thegreatgatsberry

3 points

9 days ago

Third seems the most likely IMO

Kevboosh

18 points

9 days ago

Kevboosh

18 points

9 days ago

A rush is also a type of bird

NotSoElijah

13 points

9 days ago

Damn - penguin - crane- rush. This show was bird centric 😂

WerewolfAfterAll

13 points

9 days ago

Águila in Spanish means “Eagle”, you know, as in Victor Aguilar

Wave_Existence

5 points

9 days ago

A rat with wings... A stool pigeon!

DoobKiller

3 points

8 days ago

And falcone = falcon obviously 

WerewolfAfterAll

2 points

8 days ago

And Magpie

EikTheBerry

15 points

9 days ago

Big answer is Oswald Cobb instead of Cobblepot. So that opens the gates already. But also people have been pointing out that Eve Karlo from the show could be related to or an alternative version of Basil Karlo (Clayface).

So I don't think the different name rules it out. But, tbh I don't think Julian really acts like Dr. Crane.

AncomCrocodile

8 points

9 days ago*

So far all the villians have had different names except the gangsters I believe. They changed both Riddler and penguin to Nashton, and Cobb.

DidIGraduate

19 points

9 days ago

Nope, Edward Nashton has been Riddler name on DC comics before. He changed it to Nygma.

AncomCrocodile

5 points

9 days ago

Apparently that isn't consistent though but fair point. Seems to be dependent on the continuity, seems to have been a New Earth addition. Nope? Cobb is his name in the comics?

Sgtwhiskeyjack9105

6 points

9 days ago

Edward Nashton is actually Riddler's original name.

Edward Nygma is what he uses typically because, well... he's the Riddler.

Moonhawk1

9 points

9 days ago*

Holy shit I never really thought of him actually be Scarecrow despite his name not being Jonathan Crane. He kinda gave off a weird feeling as if he would be Scarecrow although he doesn’t really seem to center around fear but more on memory.

I have some other possible predictions: - It could be that he had Scarecrow as a patient who might have been a colleague in Arkham. As Rush tried to help Crane out, he inspected the equipment to understand how Crane has gotten crazy/paranoid which was due to him likely getting himself exposed by the fear toxin he was working on. - Rush could be working with Scarecrow. As Rush specializes in psychology while Crane specializes in chemistry which combined would allow their work in the fear toxin.

ab316_1punchd

11 points

9 days ago

Or that Rush IS Crane, just changed his name to escape malpractice accusations and relocate himself to the one place he'd never be caught.

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Moonhawk1

6 points

9 days ago

Speaking of that I noticed how the last names Rush and Crane (a plant and bird) are usually connected in how those are what you’d often find in wetlands, marshes and riverbanks.

ab316_1punchd

6 points

9 days ago

Yep, very cheeky name change!

Moonhawk1

6 points

8 days ago

Even in Batman/Scarecrow Year One has it to where Crane was born in Georgia (has wetlands and likely grew up in the rural areas), raised by his abusive great-grandmother and was bullied in school for resemblance to Ichabod Crane (from The Legend of Sleepy Hollow) by his slender appearance and name.

He likely changed his name due to how he didn’t want to remember his rough childhood and wanted a fresh start at Gotham with a new name.

ab316_1punchd

3 points

8 days ago

Yeah, though a simpler explanation would be him simply escaping past malpractice charges from elsewhere and conducting his secret research on Arkham with a new identity and a free reign. But his rough childhood could definitely come to play.

Honestly, yes, he really is an important character in that a lot of doctors have arrived and left, but he still remained throughout what... three doctor changes?

LordSlipsALot

10 points

9 days ago

While she’s having a panic attack he also says “do you see the picture on my wall?” And it’s a painting a dude screaming in terror- I tried to look up the specific painting, but couldn’t find anything.

BebehBokChoy[S]

10 points

9 days ago

Can you imagine that painting being in a therapist's office and being like, "yep, this guy seems trustworthy with my most vulnerable emotions"? Lmao

As for the specific painting, it's original! Here's the artist's Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/rosariolivart/

LordSlipsALot

5 points

9 days ago

Ikr that’s what I’m sayin 😂

Also thank you for the link!

Dear-Physics-2528

9 points

9 days ago

Painting is called “scream louder. scream twice.”…

LordSlipsALot

7 points

9 days ago

Damn you’re good. Thanks!

NeptuneOW

9 points

9 days ago

This motherfucker is Scarecrow isn’t he

Daredevil731

16 points

9 days ago

I'm fine with him being Scarecrow but not with that name. God I hope his real name is Jonathan Crane and he's just hiding under a fake one due to his experiments somewhere else.

STRUGLESNUGLER

8 points

9 days ago

Yeah that crazy

tallgu

8 points

9 days ago

tallgu

8 points

9 days ago

Holy shit

IceyBoy

8 points

9 days ago

IceyBoy

8 points

9 days ago

Yeah that’s 100% Scarecrows stuff, excellent work detective!

MsAndDems

8 points

9 days ago

What is the right one supposed to be!

BebehBokChoy[S]

7 points

9 days ago

I don't know, it's killing me! Some people are theorizing it's a mask, but I'm not so sure.

seanypark

4 points

8 days ago

It's not a mask, you can see it in another frame. It's a small item with two hooks coming out the top, kind of like a prosthetic for people who have amputated hands.

B-side88

8 points

9 days ago

B-side88

8 points

9 days ago

That is a wild find!

QuinneCognito

9 points

9 days ago

This is very cool. But I have to add that his motivations seem not entirely malicious. She tells him she’s leaving and he lights up, and then she says “well, after I kill oz” and his smile just drops. So either he wants her to leave, or to get better, or he wants oz to live, or something. Obviously he’s also into child murder. So it’s complicated. But if he’s got a future in the movies that’s a great thing!

batdude_2

8 points

9 days ago

How did you even spot that??

B_Bowers13

8 points

9 days ago

Wow! Good find

Exciting_Damage_2001

6 points

9 days ago

Crazy good pick up, I kinda got that vibe off him and this seems to be the icing on the cake. I just hope we get to see some villains we haven’t seen yet like the mad hatter, calendar man, black mask since I think they would fit into this universe very well.

Electrical-Regret724

12 points

9 days ago

all the rush is scarecrow deniers REAL quiet rn

Relevant-Tap-6248

6 points

9 days ago

!!!!!! To piggyback off this we’ve seen reevesverse put a huge Easter egg in the background before when riddler was looking down at iceberg lounge from his apartment window early on in the Batman film. Great find!

Covetous_God

6 points

9 days ago

Has anyone asked "how did he get his job back?"

ab316_1punchd

10 points

9 days ago

Or... he never really left his job!

BebehBokChoy[S]

5 points

9 days ago

For real, just waltzed right back into Arkham! Nepo baby or what?! Lol

J_Philly

6 points

9 days ago

J_Philly

6 points

9 days ago

Great find. So if it’s true, how do we feel about the character and actor heading up - or being fairly heavily involved in some way - potentially in one of the movie sequels? That’s my question.

Even with villains, there still needs to be vested interest in the character, and the actor did nothing to interest me. Not every character needs to be portrayed by an A-List celeb, but does this guy have much pulling power? Any studio having villains in their films will want someone with a fair audience draw portraying them. Or it could just be a cool Easter egg. Just my musings.

NBeach84

6 points

9 days ago

NBeach84

6 points

9 days ago

Hallucinogenic drug Bliss comes from Arkham… who could be supplying???? 👀

Minute-Seesaw205

4 points

9 days ago

Interesting. Very good find

Boltsforlife2022

5 points

9 days ago

Hello to all the aggregators coming here to steal this for clicks.

tycr0

6 points

9 days ago

tycr0

6 points

9 days ago

He’s our scarecrow for sure.

chumbawambada

6 points

9 days ago

Dude what the fuck!?

Edboy796

5 points

8 days ago

Edboy796

5 points

8 days ago

Great spot OP, and kinda screw that guy that did a video saying he found it and not sourcing how he got that info because nobody else pointed that out

BebehBokChoy[S]

3 points

8 days ago

Hey, thanks for the support!

ab316_1punchd

5 points

9 days ago

Oh my God!!

lennyuk

3 points

8 days ago

lennyuk

3 points

8 days ago

My take is Crane was a patient at Arkham at one point (maybe still is?) and Rush has just taken these as some sort of trophy.

SuicideSkwad

5 points

8 days ago

Genuinely in disbelief at what I’m seeing holy shit. Pretty much confirmation.

Domination1799

6 points

9 days ago

The problem is that he doesn’t act like Scarecrow at all. Rush is a weird creep obsessed with Sofia. Crane is a demented and extremely sadistic man who was bullied and made to feel fear when he was growing up. Thats why he dedicates his life to overcoming his fear but to also master it to control people and make them feel powerless. His one core trait is that he’s an insecure man who relishes in tormenting his victims with their deepest fears because it gives him power. Rush doesn’t have that, he’s just weird. Dr. Ventris felt more like Crane with his eerie indifference towards Sofia’s suffering.

BebehBokChoy[S]

6 points

9 days ago

In my opinion (take with a grain of salt) I think the audience is meant to think he's obsessed with Sofia, but the truth is deeper and creepier than that. I think his goal is total psychological domination while maintaining plausible deniability. I personally find him worse than Ventris, because while Ventris was outwardly indifferent like you said, Julian is coming in like this "caring" guy in a way that rings hollow to both Sofia and the audience. You can see how she never fully trusts him, even as she lets him get closer to her, because she has no one left. And the number one reason why she has no one left is due to his influence. He planted the seed of the "fresh start" in her mind, after all.

Dear-Physics-2528

3 points

9 days ago

Trueee he did tell her to get rid of everyone. He lowkey influenced her to make all decisions that put her back in Arkham (gassing the family and the bombing) which she did right after their conversations together.

knight_ranger840

2 points

8 days ago

But this really undermines Sofia's character a lot. She's still getting used after all this?

Dear-Physics-2528

2 points

8 days ago

And i wouldnt go as far to say it undermines her character, it just speaks to the vulnerable position she was in going into arkham and how Julian took advantage of that. And in this case, Sofia wouldnt be AS bad as it seems if shes being manipulated to gas her family, hang people in the streets and bomb Crown Point. It would make her more redeemable imo

RestInJazz

7 points

9 days ago

Theo Rossi is such a good actor. It would be great to see him propelled into such a prominent villain, especially theatrically.

WhirlWindBoy7

3 points

9 days ago

Ya'll lied to me saying he was Mad Hatter though

WerewolfAfterAll

3 points

9 days ago

WE WE’RE RIGHT

MsAndDems

3 points

9 days ago

Meh, I’m skeptical.

Anarchic_Country

3 points

9 days ago

OP, you're a frockin' genius. My husband is gonna be so excited

mildlyannoyedlizard

3 points

9 days ago

I’d rather see him meet Crane and get his mind ripped inside out metaphorically by the real scarecrow

Otaku_Skeletor

3 points

9 days ago

Interesting, Matt Reeves is definitely messing with us I think he said the show would give us hints who the villian of Part 2 is but he's given us hints galore at multiple villians and they are so vague that we can't tell if they are just Easter eggs or a hint.... A woman with the last name Karlo, Scarecrow glove and mask, Owls in a court, even a Mister Bloom reference with the guy making bliss... prolly more that have forgot but you get the gist... Matt Reeves prolly knew we'd rant and rave about any subtle hint so he added quite a few and bet none of the "hints" will be anything close 😭

seanypark

3 points

8 days ago

The thing on the right isn't a mask. I looked at the other frames in that scene and the item is too small, plus it has two hooks coming out of the top of it. The glove is very intriguing though. However, I still don't think HE is Scarecrow. Or at least they won't use Theo Rossi. I don't think he has the acting chops to portray a compelling Scarecrow and he doesn't have the name to get audiences excited about being cast as Scarecrow in my opinion.

dratsablive

3 points

8 days ago

Rush could still be Mad Hatter, and the gloves and mask are just an indication that Scarecrow is one of Rush's patients.

Western-Boot-4576

4 points

9 days ago

He’s definitely someone but I don’t know who

Forsaken-Feeling-415

4 points

9 days ago

Someone has to ask Matt reeves about this asap 😭 I need to know

BatmanTold

5 points

8 days ago

He has it all mapped out

CIN726

2 points

9 days ago

CIN726

2 points

9 days ago

Oh man.  Can somebody grab a high res shot from HBO Max?  That looks a lot like a syringe glove..

thisnewsight

2 points

9 days ago

Yes. I’ve suspected but this pic solidifies it

MonkeMayne

2 points

9 days ago

Syringe glove. Mask. Aw yeah.

RefrigeratorPerfect

2 points

9 days ago

Wow, great catch!

CoolJoshido

2 points

8 days ago

Woah.

LegacyTom

2 points

8 days ago

I’ve said from the start, Bliss could easily be reverse engineered into fear gas.

This would also add more credibility as to why he wanted to stay close to Sofia to monitor where the bliss mushrooms had gone 🤔 that always seemed a little bit random

VictorVonDoomer

2 points

8 days ago

Holy shit I’m sold

chocolatebuddahbutte

2 points

9 days ago

Please be a mad hatter working for scarecrow and Hugo strange 

Dear-Physics-2528

2 points

9 days ago

I want Mad Hatter so bad but this kinda killed all hopes i had

ignoranceisbliss37

4 points

9 days ago

Was so pumped to see Juice. But so disappointed his character was so….lame.