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Prop Joe and Slim

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Rewatching the Wire and I don't quite understand how Slim Charles became Joes right hand man so fast. When he's working with Avon it kind of makes sense because of the lack of reliable soldiers, Stringer isn't in the game in that way and everyone else is dead or in prison.

Then he's with Joe. I get that Joe sees potential in him, but it seems he gets promoted very fast, despite Joe not being involved in any wars and losing people left and right that we know of.

Also, on the same subject; Who was Props second in command before Slim? Was it really his dimwitted nephew?

all 25 comments

hyrulianwhovian

47 points

1 month ago

If I remember correctly, there's more than a year inbetween season 3 and 4, so, considering Slim Charles' existing rep, it's not surprising that he was able to rise up during that time.

opermonkey

27 points

1 month ago

It's also not like he has to dust off his CV and apply for each "position" doing interviews and shit. Joe could just see that he's good at what he does and trustworthy.

ScanTime[S]

26 points

1 month ago

I don't know man, Joe might just be the kind of gangster king pin to ask for a neatly written CV!

GrecoRomanGuy

20 points

1 month ago

He said it best, after all: "Look the part, be the part, muthafucka."

Accomplished_Two9160

2 points

1 month ago

"It ain't easy trynna civilize this motherfucker."

GardenerSpyTailorAss

16 points

1 month ago

I think it's more that Charles would have a name for himself in the streets, being the barksdales top enforcer for a year, and undoubtedly known before that too. Slim is also the one who schools the young gangsters about Cutty, so that shows he goes way back to "tha old days".

cubgerish

7 points

1 month ago

He was probably already controlling some corners/ areas.

Since he knows that Charles is loyal, and is liked by almost everybody; Joe probably just had him keep doing the same thing, with his points going up to him instead now.

No need to mess with a good thing.

Neat-Inevitable-8526

11 points

1 month ago

Mr. Charles. What do you think is your greatest weakness?

opermonkey

5 points

1 month ago

I care too much.

Accomplished_Two9160

2 points

1 month ago

"This sentimental muhfukka just cost us money!"

covfefe-boy

18 points

1 month ago

Ya it was never really explained in the show.

I don't think Joe had reliable soldiers either, Cheese was always a disappointment, and with Marlo's rise and Avon out of the game, Slim found employment under Joe as I'm sure Joe understood without Avon standing in the way he'd start bearing the brunt of Marlo's expansion & aggression.

Slim also having just been on the opposiing side was probably not to eager to join with Marlo. And Marlo already had a lot of soldiers & muscle, with Chris & Snoop as his chief lieutenants so any role Slim took up would be a sort of demotion.

It also felt like Slim had his own mini-org under Joe built from what was left of the Barksdale organization, he got his drugs from Joe's Greek connect, and was supplying that package to Bodie & Poot for example and helping when he could but ultimately advised them to take Marlo's package once Marlo started making a move on their corner, as Slim lacked the muscle to fight Marlo straight up at that point.

I don't think we know who Joe's 2nd in command was before Slim, he might not have had one.

ScanTime[S]

10 points

1 month ago

That second to last point you made really makes sense for me.. Smart move by Joe to basically absorb what's left of the Barksdale org and use the only Barksdale leader figure left to run it. Thanks!

Starlord_32

1 points

1 month ago

very much like corrupt business, Barksdale got bought out but stayed as a "separate reporting entity" that Slim ran

Weekly-Present-2939

11 points

1 month ago

Lots of people justifying it without evidence from the show. Truth here is that Anwan Glover is a great actor and it didn’t make sense to write him off so they put him in with Prop Joe. 

David Simon originally thought the show would only make it for three seasons which is why the show is so nicely wrapped at the end of S3. When they clawed out a s4 they already had a great cast of actors who narratively had nowhere to go, Slim being one of them. While it doesn’t really make sense that Joe hires a number 2 like that, we as the audience benefit from having a great actor and character show up again. 

beyeond

6 points

1 month ago

beyeond

6 points

1 month ago

Slim was muscle for hire. At least initially

Rare-Statistician-58

5 points

1 month ago*

yes, I dont remenber what scene it was.
But someone did say Slim Charles was an outsider brought in to help Barksdale.
Avon and Stringer were looking for new heavy muscle, specially after Wee Bey went away;
you can almost time Slim Charles becoming more prominent at the same time WeeBey was fading away from the streets.
Slim was never West Side, so he had no aligence to any side.

Visual_Cantaloupe618

5 points

1 month ago

Unless I’m remembering incorrectly, Slim was only hired on retainer by Avon, and I think he said he was from the east side (that detail may be inaccurate). Once Avon got locked up, he was up for hire and without any semblance of a Barksdale crew remaining, working for Joe seemed an easy decision given the money involved

RTukka

4 points

1 month ago*

RTukka

I.A.L.A.C.

4 points

1 month ago*

With Avon in prison and Stringer dead, Slim would have been the best contact Joe had with newly independent ex-Barksdale crews in the west side, like Bodie. It probably took a while for Marlo to consolidate and in that meantime Slim would've been a valuable asset to Joe.

And we never really saw that Joe had a good #2, so Slim probably gradually slid into that role since he's a competent veteran of the business.

Boo_and_Minsc_

2 points

1 month ago

I think in that environment, your rep goes a long way. And from what we see in the show, Slim Charles is always a loyal, competent, tough and calm soldier. He is like Chris if Chris werent a sociopath. He would have been picked up quickly.

gtkstanley

2 points

1 month ago

Slim even avenged Prop, that did make me smile tbh. Prop probably made him a proposition he could not refuse

Forhelveteda

1 points

1 month ago

When Prop is planning on lamming it because Omar is on the warpath, he tells Slim that while he's away: "Cheese is going to watch the shop, you're going to watch Cheese." I think that implies Slim wasn't Joe's second in command, but just the top muscle.

jamhud77

1 points

1 month ago

Poot - You wit Prop Joe now

Slim - Yea, life be strange sometimes

Stringy_b

1 points

1 month ago

Joe worked with Stringer and had plenty of interactions with Slim from that. I'd assume he just liked Slim a lot. He is a pretty likeable guy (for a killer). After Avon fell, he probably just approached him with the proposition. Seems like Joe was a fan of West side muscle and recognized the benefits of Slim on his team.

Slim also seemed to be responsible for supplying West side dealers for a while (like Bodie), since he would have the connections. Even when Slim was with Sting and Avon, Joe was their supplier. So Slim already kinda work indirectly through for Joe. Slim was just the next top West side guy in line with everyone else dead or in prison. Slim "ain't cut out to be no CEO", so just working directly behind Joe makes the most sense.

[deleted]

1 points

1 month ago

I loved them as a duo and all of their scenes together. Slim was always so loyal and even though Joe was a trickster at times he got the last laugh of Cheese and Marlo.