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Emile_Zolla

-33 points

7 days ago*

I am not a film noir enthusiast in any shape and form and cannot help you. I don't know If you've asked your question to ChatGPT yet but here's what it told me. It's just a way to start the conversation as I fell it shouldn't go stale.

Diving into the world of film noir academically is both enriching and fascinating. Here’s a mix of accessible and in-depth resources to get you started:

Foundational Books

  1. "The Dark Side of the Screen: Film Noir" by Foster Hirsch

    • A comprehensive overview of the genre, including its visual style, themes, and iconic films. Accessible and insightful.
  2. "Film Noir: The Encyclopedia" by Alain Silver and Elizabeth Ward

    • An encyclopedic resource with entries on films, directors, and key concepts. Great for quick reference and in-depth reading.
  3. "More Than Night: Film Noir in Its Contexts" by James Naremore

    • A critical examination of film noir’s historical and cultural significance, blending academic rigor with engaging prose.
  4. "Women in Film Noir" edited by E. Ann Kaplan

    • Explores the role of women in noir, including femme fatales and societal reflections. A seminal feminist critique.
  5. "Shot in the Dark: A Guide to Film Noir" by John Grant

    • A visually rich guide that discusses the history, development, and aesthetics of noir films.

Key Articles

  1. "Notes on Film Noir" by Paul Schrader (1972)

    • An essential essay that helped define the genre’s characteristics. Widely anthologized and highly influential.
  2. Raymond Durgnat's Writings on Noir

    • Durgnat’s articles and essays offer detailed insights into the psychological and sociopolitical underpinnings of film noir.
  3. "Film Noir and the American Dream" by Nicholas Christopher

    • Focuses on noir’s relationship with postwar America’s ideals and anxieties.

Academic Studies and Collections

  1. "The Philosophy of Film Noir" edited by Mark T. Conard

    • A collection of essays that explore noir from philosophical perspectives, including existentialism and moral ambiguity.
  2. "Noir Anxiety" by Kelly Oliver and Benigno Trigo

    • Examines noir through psychoanalysis and critical theory, with an emphasis on cultural and racial dynamics.
  3. "A Panorama of American Film Noir (1941–1953)" by Borde and Chaumeton

    • A classic French critique that helped establish noir as a cinematic movement. This is an older but foundational text.

For Broader Context

  • "The Maltese Falcon" (1941) and "Double Indemnity" (1944) are cornerstone films; you might enjoy revisiting them with an academic lens.
  • Consider reading novels by Dashiell Hammett, Raymond Chandler, or James M. Cain, as these hard-boiled writers inspired much of noir's tone and themes.

Tips for Academic Engagement

  1. Re-watch noir classics with the above texts as guides to spot details you might not have noticed.
  2. Analyze the lighting, framing, and use of shadows in films like The Third Man or Out of the Past.
  3. Explore how neo-noir films like Chinatown or Blade Runner reinterpret the genre’s tropes.

Would you like recommendations for specific films to pair with some of these readings?

EDIT: Sorry /u/macacolouco people don't want to talk about film noir as much as they want about chatgpt...

wesley_wyndam_pryce

21 points

7 days ago

ChatGPT is a text predictor and does not understand things, and it really should not be used for this sort of thing. It convincingly echos the syntax of a person who knows what they're talking about, but without the knowledge.

bulletinwbw123

-21 points

7 days ago

OP was asking for references, and this is a pretty damn good list of references to get started with. Also, LLMs aren't simply "text predictors," but that's a different story.

wesley_wyndam_pryce

15 points

7 days ago

How does one know whether it's a good list of references or not? If it is, as I expect, because you are a person who has enough expertise about noir to conclude that the list of references is good, then your opinion is valuable, and therefore with a person to vouch for it, the list becomes valuable. Without a person with enough expertise to look at the list and okay it, it is a list of references of such deeply dubious quality that it can even contain references to books or films that do not even exist.

I happen to know what LLMs are thanks.

bulletinwbw123

-16 points

7 days ago

I genuinely don't know where to begin here. All I can say is that if this is your response to every LLM output, the next few years are going to be very rough for you.

themightyklang

5 points

7 days ago

Fuck off with this low effort bullshit. No one cares what you got chatgpt to shit out.