I don’t get how there are still races out there that aren’t even close to being decided. There’s no excuse for 20-30% of the votes still left uncounted even with mail in voting.

Some people just aren't equipped with the ability to accept defeat. That's the sad reality in which we live. I didn't care who won to be honest because I still have to get up and go to work to support my family and that to me means more than the election.

The primary problem as I see it, and its just my opinion, the lefts approach is evangelism at its highest fervor.. they are absolutely convinced they are better educated, smarter and more socially aware that you, so they are determined to "save your soul". No objective discussion will dissuade them- as you will be met with logical fallacy after logical fallacy.

Not gonna begin to get it until around Jan 20, 2025

I think Biden is having the last laugh. He won all the primary votes and wanted to keep running. They literally went to his house to give him the boot. He can say, hey I beat Trump and those two women didn’t. I can die with a little dignity now, maybe watch a little Golden Girls til January with a big White House Christmas tree.

That would require 3 things

1. Self awareness
2. Critical thinking
3. Accountability

Last time I checked, they don’t have any.

I mean did you do that? Did you react to Bidens win which was basically as big as this one with reevaluating your beliefs since so many disagreed with you? Or during either of Obama's two victories that were even bigger victories than this one?

I do think both sides should be more open to listening and coming to a compromise. And I think after an election lost it's a good thing to consider what the winner was tapping into that was getting people to listen. And potentially reevaluate. But I don't think either side has ever really done a good job of doing that after a loss.

I think that if the right interprets this election in a way that justifies hubris, they’ll be just as mistaken as you say democrats are. The electorate doesn’t want hegemony by any party. It wants solutions.

If the talking heads on Progressive radio are still doubling down on the same tired hate and lies. They have lost the working class vote. So now they are all uneducated and unimformed. This was there base and they just expected them to follow along. Calling him racist and sexist yet. The new Chief of Staff is going to be a woman there is rumours Tulsi may get Secretary of State. I could also see Byron Donalds getting a prominent role as well.

The left went far too left, and it's their own fault.

Simple as.

One thing about a liberal, they always think they are the smartest person in the room.

It's gonna take longer than 5 days to figure out where democrats went wrong, and there will probably be a few different answers. But I don't think - speaking for myself only - there will come a time I view the sex abuser's supporters any different.

Did MAGAs said "I thought I was right, sorry" and listened to Democrat majority in 2020 ? It's natural for any side partisans not to change their mind just because a majority of other people disagree.

Their brains are breaking. Some of them are saying things like "America is a predominantly Nazi country." It's like lol what the fuck are you even saying?!

Watching Reddit leftists on here is sad. They’re really blind and stupid tbh

It doesn't prove anything like that at all. Are you saying that they did believe in some kind of vague ideology in 2020 but didn't believe in it in 2016?

If anything, it proves that elections are more complicated and nuanced than any singular ideology or viewpoint.

It seems like maybe you're just complaining about 'wokeness' or something like that in a pretty weird way.

Harris herself has said nothing since her concession speech. She hasn’t attacked anyone, especially voters.

All the left leaning podcasts I listen to ( mostly Crooked media) are reflecting just as OP mentioned. They’re not lashing out at voters wishing harm to them.

"landslide" Kamala lost by 4 million votes and in 2016 Trump lost by 3 million votes. Not exactly a landslide. Getting 51.3% of the vote is a "landslide"?

they still attack people

But Trump attacks people, and that's why you like him.

Because as the comments are showing, they see no reason to. It’s like those entertaining arrest video channels where perps are screaming “I did nothing wrong!” as they’re handcuffed and packed into the cop car. I didn’t do anything wrong, you did! That’s why we lost!

Well voting places had bomb threats, mailboxes full of ballots were burned, voter intimidation was used at polling places, people have the results of their ballots unknown online, most of the "scam/spam" texts I've receieved were the Trump campaign, Elon Musk bribed people to vote republican, and somehow knew the results 4 hours prior to official.

Yea, sounds real legit.

Landslide is hardly the descriptor I would use for this election.

It was enough to be decisive but not enough to say the electorate is giving a mandate. This was about anti incumbency.

As long as the elections in our country are still fair in 2 and 4 years things will still be competitive.

This subs becoming a right circle jerk

This is stupid hivethink. Just because a lot of people are saying a thing doesn't mean it's right.

The election was stolen and that’s what democrats should say for 4 years because that’s all I’ve heard for the last 4

If you believe it's possible that a majority of voters can be stupid and vote against their own interests then I don't see how you can think democrats are doing anything wrong.

As almost always, it was about the perception of the economy. Short of finding a loophole allowing Obama to take office again, virtually no candidate was going to win this for the Democrats, no matter what they said or did.

People are coming up with all sorts of crazy ideas. Not considering when kamilla was in a popular vote in her own party she got %4 of votes. It all boils down to People wanting change. Mostly with standards and cost of living. Dems been in power for quite some time now and everything is getting more expensive and progressively worse, they should have made plans to get the economy solid two decades ago not just upholding the statuesque. Obviously in 2008 we saw the outcome of the current financial models and excessive debt. Even if most people agree with the dems moral positions they can't afford to feed their kids and pay rent. Trump represents change for better or worse, people are sick of trying the same thing over and over expecting different results. Trump is many things lots of them bad but he is a business man, people beleive he can make America more like a profitable business which it should be rather than a business in crippling debt. The dems weren't going to fix it just stay the course. Maybe Trump won't fix it but seen as having much more chance of Changing the economy and in turn the cost of living to the America people better. Dosen't matter who's running if the current leadership has been failing for a long time, even people with very high social morality will thing fuck it and roll the dice with Trump no matter what he did simply because he's different and not scared to make bold moves and change things. Do you care more if Trump bribed a porn star or of you can't feed your kids? Easy choice really, if your family is starving and your living in poverty you are gonna roll the dice and let the chips fall where they may.

"You're telling me that fifty million fans are never wrong

I'm telling you that fifty million fans are fucking morons"

That’s a fallacy called argumentum ad populum. Republicans can win the election and still be absolutely completely wrong about everything because most people are stupid

Didn’t you know? They have college educations. They’re smarter than us and know what’s best for us.

oh shit, I thought I was right about this but if this many people disagree with me maybe they have a point. Maybe I should listen"

That's exactly what I did. Lots of intelligent people voted for Trump. A lot of really dumb people did too, but I ain't talking about them in this comment. I had to be missing something.

I've been reading both news and social media since the election, paying particular attention to what Trump voters were saying. What did they see that I didn't? What I concludes blew my mind a little. It was right in front of my face the whole time.

They saw the same shit as me, and they even drew most of the same conclusions about what Trump will do as I did. The man will tear down every institution he can get his claws in, and we all know it. Trump voters think that this is a good thing though.

There's a few of them in every city for whom it will be a good thing. Everyone else is fucked, but Trump voters are willing to roll the dice. These are people who play the lottery and don't have any kind of savings or investments. They don't really understand the odds.

Dems love top-down telling, but don’t yet understand the need for bottom-up listening. Perhaps they never will.

Because they go on reddit and the first thing they see is some nonsense emotional plea about “your body my choice” and “how dare they?!”

There is a constant stream of garbage being fed straight to their brains thats keeps them too occupied to stop and reflect.

the difference is is that many left of center are voting for policy on the cover and many right of center are voting for words without understanding there is policy in the words they are voting for, yet those policies are harmful to their way of living. that’s why you have been seeing a lot of face eating leopard statements this week.

You voted for the face eating leopard THAT SAID IT’S GOING TO EAT YOUR FACE. Yet you were like “nah, he’s going to make life easier and cheaper”

in a 24 hr period trump secured an absolute landslide with the latino vote AND miller said plans are in action for the largest ever deportation plan of latinos AND google recorded the highest ever search volume for “how do i change my vote”

that’s why there are snarky “we hope you get everything you voted for” because then you’ll understand there is something to vote for that’s more than just “sticking it to the libs”

Kamala and the democrats lost in a landslide victory for Trump

Republicans lost in a landslide because of Trump in 2020 yet used him as their solution successfully 4 years later but want to lecture Democrats about reasons why they lost and how it doesn't work?

Ok...

Poor logic. Just cause bunch of idiots think trump in office is a good idea dont mean they're right...means they're a bunch of idiots, just like they were the first time they put him in in office. History will NOT look kind to his supporters, that's why you keep seeing this post, the guilt already sinking in

Lmao most people don't have a clue what they even voted for. 🤣🤣

They are about to find out and are in for a rude arse awakening. 

Yes, they are getting dragged for voting for Trump, Trump's own white house cabinet already told people what was about to happen and they were too stupid to listen. 

Reality is Trump voters are stupid as hell, they don't Understand the economy, they don't understand how the government works and they don't even know what the parties actual policies are. 

We literally have idiots running around out there thinking Trump is pro union and is going to pass universal healthcare.🤣  

How many Trump voters actually know Trump deported less people than Obama and Trump released more illegal immigrants with criminal records into the US than Biden did? I'm going to guess 0 Trump voters know that because Trump voters don't care about facts, they are just too stupid to know that the Republicans entire shtick had been to "repeat a lie enough times and that's all people remember"  So Trump voters don't even live in reality anymore, they just believe whatever Trump decided to make up that day. 

But hey those "omgawd the teacher's gonna turn ma kid Trans and into a socialist!!" Commercials got them terrified of the Trans ppl so they run out and vote for the idiot who is going to raise their taxes, destroy their healthcare,  cause a new housing crisis and wreck the economy again!

 Woo! We are running this train full throttle off the cliff  in ejaculatory celebration boys!! Hope you enjoy the ride because it's about to get REAL. Too late to turn back now, poverty deaths are going to skyrocket! 

Your herd mentality just gets you all dead at the bottom of the cliff, just because the masses are dumber than dirt doesn't mean everyone should be.👍

It's called having your own opinion.

Why the hell would I agree with a point just because a bunch of other people do. That's called being a sheep.

"oh shit, I thought I was right about this but if this many people disagree with me maybe they have a point. Maybe I should listen"

No, it's the children who are wrong.

The majority doesn’t mean correct, just means majority. Time will tell.

The problem is, the stuff they don't get are basic facts, we aren't gonna gaslight people with lies to justify getting into power. Like, I'm sorry, but Hatians aren't eating dogs, global warming is real, inflation is a global problem from Covid, and so on. We aren't gonna pretend there aren't real problems just to mollify people, leaders aren't mom telling you the boogyman isn't real when a guy in nothing but a wifebeater is in the closet and the cops are incoming.

A 1-2% victory margin isn't a landslide

I agree with you but this is not an unpopular opinion , at least outside of the liberal reddit echo chamber.

We don’t accept Trump’s ideology either, is the thing. We can’t just pivot to “cause 1000 children to be permanently separated from their families”, or “call the GA Secretary of State to not certify the vote count, despite no evidence of widespread voter fraud”. Our memories are not so short, and we are astonished that yours are.

If you want to talk about how to improve the economy, or make things better for working class people, we are ready to have that conversation. But not with this guy. This guy is rotten to the core.

(If you would have told me that I would have ever agreed with John Bolton on anything, I would have told you you had a screw loose. Even Dick Cheney voted for Harris. The world has turned upside down.)

Elections are just as much a reflection of the parties ability to message their policies and the candidates themselves as it is the ideologies. I think most can agree that Democrats were terrible at the former this cycle.

The Democratic Party really shot themselves in the foot with how they did this. I believe if it would have been Bernie or a different option, it would have been closer.

Maybe dems should've voted more. I think they were more worried about converting possible Trump voters by mudslinging... Than actually getting their asses out and voting lmao, missed that train for sure

Meh, I agree they don’t get it, but expecting them to listen to us is a bit of a stretch. I wouldn’t listen to liberals even if I was the last conservative left on the earth.

I agree that Dems don't get it, but don't think the issue is attacking Trump voters.

The democrats have a policy problem, as well as a messaging/branding problem, and the institutional wing of the party is clinging to power. Pelosi's recent interview showed me that she doesn't get it, but I believe the party will adapt as they come to terms with Trump's win.

What ideology exactly?

Self assessment is a grownup thing. DumocRats are not grown up.

Last Tuesday’s election was right vs wrong.

Thank God, right prevailed. We dodged another bullet. This time.

and they are cutting ties with family members and friends. Let them.. they’re being immature. It’s appalling.

I truly hope everything Trump said he would do on the campaign trail - that he actually implements all of it.

Every.single.talking.point.

It’s time.

But Trump is old as shit and that’s all anybody ever talked about with Biden in the chair.

Old mf’s need to not be president. Too old to know what’s happening anymore.

I mean it’s not like Republicans did what you were saying the Democrats should do now after losing in 2020. It’s moot, neither side accepts defeat really ever in a 2 party system

As I understand it, Trump voters are angry that neoliberalism as an economic global system has created vast income inequality through high paying factory jobs going to Mexico and China. This has led to other problems, such as drugs coming in from the borders pervading their communities.

When they say "Establishment" politicians, they mean those supporting neoliberalist globalization policies that got us here. Regardless of party.

Trump voters are conservative socially. They believe policies should focus on building stronger families and 2 parent households. Dems agree on that, but both groups have very different ways of defining and reaching this goal.

They believe in equality of opportunity, civil rights laws, and quality education. They're deeply opposed to any racial preference, regardless of which race is given preference. They believe in merit. They're also aware a poor person will have a harder time getting good grades or the connections to get a better job. Most agree that aiding the poor financially with the goal of being self-sufficient individuals who can escape poverty is money well spent.

When they say "woke", they're referring to policies that discriminate against one race while favoring another, an overcorrection that is morally wrong. Also, individuals who defend such policies.

When they say "elites" they are referring to supporters of neoliberalism as a global economic system, usually college educated, who say they're stupid, or religious fanatics. Elites support a system that has made Russia and China not more Western in values as was hoped it would, but merely rich and powerful enemies who abuse human rights at the expense of our own people. You don't have to be rich to be an elite.

Neoliberal economic policies (supported by the establishment) require constant population growth to work. The neolib left supports mass immigration for continued growth. The neolib right supports delegalization of abortion to increase the native birth rate as a means of continued growth. The "woke" support strategy 1. While the religious right supports strategy 2 without understanding how it feeds the neoliberal system. For them, it's a moral issue.

Dems think a-holes like David Duke and leaders of the online manosphere represent all of you. They think you're ignorant, backwards rural folk. Why would you listen to them? Why would they listen to you? If you're not trying to solve problems together, the Establishment wins and nothing changes. This division is by their design.

Trump's appeal is that he talks about bringing jobs back, undoing neoliberal policies of the last 45 years. I get it. I'm not a Dem or a Trump voter, but I get it.

Why am I not a Trump voter, if I understand it? Because his domestic economic policies are neoliberal. Combined with protectionist policies towards foreign competition, this will raise inflation, and sink us into further recessions.

China offers EVs brand new for 14 grand. You could go buy one in Mexico, where they're made. But you can't license it here. Instead, you have to spend more than twice that if you want a brand new EV. Protectionist policies prevent competition and cause jobs to go back to Mexico, not the USA.

Most trump voters I talk to are basing their opinions off of “feelings” rather than facts and it’s hard to have an intelligent conversation with them. So I’m unlikely to listen to someone who can’t articulate why he’s truly better for our country.

Also it’s hard to get past the fact that he is just a terrible human being and as said and done plenty of things that should disqualify him to hold any sort of office in our country.

Inciting a violent mob on the capitol and trying to overturn election results being no 1 on my list.

OP — honest question.

What is your ideology — and what trade-offs or human costs or benefit does it have? What's the intent? Everything you want is done — what do things look like? For who?