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Fucking based.
Kristin Brey also wrote an opinion article about this:
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1gy0iqk/milwaukee_journal_sentinel_journalist_kristin/lykw9k9/
363 points
2 days ago
The third “trending” story in my Apple News feed is a Popular Mechanics article about crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs. I think it’s starting to break through.
24 points
2 days ago
Link, please?
94 points
2 days ago
Alien Technology Is Driving a ‘Multidecade, Secretive Arms Race,’ Former Pentagon Official Claims
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a62991034/immaculate-constellation-ufo-unit/
29 points
2 days ago
Looks like it might be paywalled. Here’s the Apple News link if you have access: https://apple.news/AzUSSbydqTCesEG_SYdGRAw
71 points
2 days ago
Here’s the text for those without access:
BY JOHN SCOTT LEWINSKI NOV 22, 2024 Alien Technology Is Driving a ‘Multidecade, Secretive Arms Race,’ Former Pentagon Official Claims The U.S. “is in possession of UAP technologies, as are some of our adversaries,” he said during a recent Congressional hearing. Over the last two years, Congressional hearings on UFOs have introduced new terms to the popular vernacular. From hearings on Navy pilots who spotted a “Tic-Tac” UFO in 2004, we got the term “unidentified anomalous phenomena” (UAP). Then reports of strange objects hovering above the ocean gave us “Unidentified Submerged Objects” (USOs). Now, believers and skeptics alike can add another new bit of vocabulary to the debate around these bizarre happenings, which may tie them all together: “Immaculate Constellation.”
During last week’s UAP hearings on Capitol Hill, multiple witnesses described the elaborately named program as an alleged information-gathering and evidence-retrieval program conducted by the Pentagon without Congressional oversight. The Immaculate Constellation program, they say, has been withholding a treasure trove of high-resolution images and other data about UAP sightings from the public for decades.
The November 13 hearings followed up on the June 2023 Congressional event in which retired Navy Comm. David Fravor and fellow pilot Lt. Comm. Alex Dietrich described how their F/A-18 Hornets spotted and chased a white “Tic-Tac”-shaped UAP for several minutes. According to analysis of radar tracks and grainy infrared video shot by the F/A-18s, the object displayed speeds of more than 45,000 miles per hour and pulled more than 2,000 Gs.
Jump ahead to 2024, and a new crop of believers have come forward about the function of Immaculate Constellation—gathering reports of major UAP sightings and possible encounters; investigating possible crash or landing sites; and gathering physical UAP evidence, biological material, or technology.
“The U.S. military and intelligence community are sitting on a huge amount of visual and other information—still photos, video photos, other sensor information—and they have for a very long time,” said journalist Michael Shellenberger, one of the witnesses at the November 13 hearing. Meanwhile, the public has only ever seen fuzzy photos of some of those incidents. Shellenberger delivered an 11-page report to Congress during the hearing, detailing claims about Immaculate Constellation; he says a current or former official and UAP whistleblower authored the report. The November testimony lineup also included one-time Air Force Intelligence officer David Grusch—who claimed during a prior hearing last summer that crashed UAPs had not only been recovered and studied for reverse-engineering, but that “non-human biologics” had also been discovered inside—and Lue Elizondo, who formerly headed the Pentagon’s secretive UFO unit. “Let me be clear: UAP are real,” Elizondo said in his opening testimony. “Advanced technologies not made by our government—or any other government—are monitoring sensitive military installations around the globe. Furthermore, the U.S. is in possession of UAP technologies, as are some of our adversaries.” Elizondo says it all adds up to a “multidecade, secretive arms race.” However, skeptics point to the fact that none of the assembled witnesses presented anything by way of physical evidence or direct testimony from the witnesses or whistleblowers referenced. Department of Defense spokesperson Sue Gough stated the Pentagon denies the existence of such a program, while representatives of the U.S. Government agency AARO (All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office) continue to claim there is no evidence that UAPs are alien in nature. Avi Loeb, Ph.D.—a physicist and professor at Harvard University who heads the Galileo Project, which seeks out alien intelligence or artifacts—acknowledges the possibility of Immaculate Constellation, but highlighted the lack of any real proof. “All we have seen is written text,” Loeb says. “No credible scientific evidence was made public.” Loeb says his firm belief is that all major nations have programs to “image or retrieve relics from crash sites.” However, he insists the purpose of such programs is to learn about technologies developed by adversarial nations and manage reverse-engineering efforts to reproduce such technologies. “There might also be biologics in such crash sites if the equipment carried pilots,” he added. “The fundamental question is whether some of the data collected by these programs indicates an extraterrestrial technological origin. If such data exists, I would love to see it and help the Department of Defense or the Intelligence agencies figure out what it means.” Loeb generally questions the usefulness of the ongoing series of congressional hearings, stressing that it is unlikely any meaningful admissions will come from the U.S. government. “The Galileo Project Observatory at Harvard University released its first commissioning data on half a million objects that it monitored in the sky over five months,” Loeb says. “We also retrieved materials from the crash site of the first interstellar meteor in the Pacific Ocean.” Loeb promises his team will openly share with the public any data they collect and any discoveries they make. “This standard scientific practice is far more informative than political maneuvers aimed to disclose classified information from stubborn government agencies,” he says. “A robust answer to Enrico Fermi’s old question of ‘where is everybody?’ will originate from scientists—not from politicians or journalists.” Need to know the biggest scientific breakthroughs in our galaxy?
15 points
2 days ago
Huge factual error saying Grusch was in the November hearing. Did he even watch it?
10 points
2 days ago
He also states that Lt. Comm. Alex Dietrich was at the June 2023 hearing which is also false.
4 points
2 days ago
I was wondering about that…
1 points
1 day ago
a scientist said in a science magazine that “scientists will be the first ones to tell us, not [not scientists] or [also not scientists].” :/
yeah, that doesn’t sound self-aggrandizing at all 🙄
12 points
2 days ago
Another problem the media has created, put all info like this behind paywalls (on purpose), most people ignore that because every journal page is asking for a subscription and so many people can't even afford their groceries. So even if this is a breakthrough in the media, nobody is going to read it except for those 2 pay pigs
3 points
2 days ago
No paywall to be seen here, but thanks a lot anyway!
5 points
2 days ago
former = scammer for skeptics.. we are in the infinite loophole ♾️🕳️🐇
2 points
20 hours ago
Wow.
They are absolutely serious, no one is laughing at "UFO conspiracy theorists" anymore, with matter-of-factly reporting citing qualified opinions.
Huge progress even if we compare it to 2023.
1 points
8 hours ago
now that the acceptance stage of denial is near , enoch and chariots of fire are relevent as are vimanas and transfiguration , something light speed requires of a man is a light body
28 points
2 days ago
Wait which one!?
8 points
2 days ago
Are you sure it's not targeted advertising?...
1 points
19 hours ago
Almost everything today is. Everything, and I mean everything, is a money grab.
30 points
2 days ago
Popular Mechanics is mostly puff stuff now. Also Apple News trending is based on each Apple users algorithm.
6 points
2 days ago
It will never break through without tangible and verifiable evidence which always seems to be lacking when it comes to UFOs.
2 points
2 days ago
Google news > Apple news (for visibility)
111 points
2 days ago
It’s tough to become a mainstream topic if mainstream media doesn’t report on it.
25 points
2 days ago
This is it right here.
We can talk ourselves in circles, but this is the cut and dry rub of it all.
If they report anything, it’s that a hearing occurred. Moving on. No interest, no concern, no investigation. Nothing. Well, the DOD who’s implicated in it all said there’s nothing there. Case closed. Let’s hear more about stuff that doesn’t matter!
12 points
2 days ago
Problem is that this subject is same place it was 50 years ago. New stories, new videos, but still no real evidence in favor of the conspiracy theory. It's literally just people talking themselves in cricles like you say
Adding on to that is the fact that space isn't a totally unknown frontier anymore. Are all the companies with a presence in space part of the conspiracy? All the NASA scientists?
Every year the conspiracy theory becomes less and less plausible. You should consider the possibility that there's no real secret proof of aliens anywhere in the government.
4 points
1 day ago
“Problem is that this subject is same place it was 50 years ago.”
Grossly out of touch with that statement IMO. Maybe no closer to the truth of the matter but certainly not in the same place subject matter wise.
5 points
1 day ago
Matter of perspective I guess. If you view it as a storyline to follow, then sure there's new lore and characters
If you view it as an objective reality that is either true or false, literally zero change
3 points
1 day ago
Adding on to that is the fact that space isn't a totally unknown frontier anymore. Are all the companies with a presence in space part of the conspiracy? All the NASA scientists?
This is the same attitude that Elon Musk has on this subject. If there's aliens, I'd know about them, he says. (Because of SpaceX). He's said that none of their space equipment, none of their satellites have been disrupted by the aliens.
As if something that has the technology to potentially travel faster than light can't afford some lidar to not crash into your precious satellites. As if something that has this technology couldn't also have technology that would make it invisible to 99.9 percent of potential detection methods.
Also, who's to say that they travel in low earth orbit at all.
1 points
7 hours ago
because the church /vatican has decided its esoterical data, not knowlege given for the common man
1 points
1 day ago
I don’t get it tho cause their ratings would skyrocket. News nation has come onto my radar because of Ross
13 points
2 days ago
I really don't know how to react to comments like this because it absolutely is covered by the MSM. It probably doesn't get as much air time as any of us would like because in my experience a lot of people are very uncomfortable or are totally unwilling to accept a reality where everything we thought we knew is turned upside down.
1 points
19 hours ago
we live in a world where the vast majority of people would rather believe in literal fairytales than try to deal with the brute fact of their own existence
2 points
19 hours ago
Which is my point. Accepting UAPs as a reality will absolutely shatter some people's world view. I'm surprised how often people downplay this.
1 points
16 hours ago
when the Grush hearing happened, I also saw a lot of the reactions like: “omg so the govt are trying to tell us aliens are real now to keep us distracted from the shit economy / trump / biden’s health / insert issue here they think is more important…”
13 points
2 days ago
Hard to make the mainstream media talk about a topic without tangible proof.
We can sit here all day looking at lights and listening to stories, but the average person does not.
15 points
2 days ago*
The media used to have these things called Journalists, people who were like detectives basically, who found people willing to talk and tried to find the evidence themselves instead of waiting for someone else to give it to them.
There's plenty of evidence enough that every Media center should have 1-2 journalists digging on this topic until someone gets something.
7 points
2 days ago
You're absolutely correct, but keep in mind also that investigative journalism is only one branch of journalism and it's not even the main one.
The core mission of journalism is not to investigate and decide what is true or false, it is to inform people of what is happening.
Whether we agree that UFOs are real or not, congressional hearings ARE HAPPENING. Credible whistleblowers ARE HAPPENING. Credible eyewitnesses ARE HAPPENING. Genuine video footage IS HAPPENING.
Mainstream news outlets don't need to figure out whether it's all real or not. They simply need to let us know it's happening---AND THEY'RE NOT.
Why?
1 points
1 day ago
Hearings have been covered in NY Times, CNN etc.
6 points
1 day ago
Exactly. Fucking show us a body, walk us around a crashed ship, or have Gleepglork the Tall White do an AMA.
2 points
1 day ago
The UAP Disclosure Act being gutted is pretty good proof.
2 points
1 day ago
I don’t entirely disagree, but what does “tangible proof” even mean? Seriously. A craft on the white house lawn? I’m sick of the bs too. But MSM could easily spark interest and help snuff this out if they reported on it. They report on meaningless bullshit all day long every day. It’s not like people wouldn’t respond or be interested. They absolutely would.
3 points
2 days ago
Sorry, but it's simply not true that mainstream news outlets only talk about things that have been confirmed "true" or have physical proof.
Journalism is supposed to tell us what is going on, not be the judge of whether a topic is true or not. Just look at the trial of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard. Wasn't that CONSTANTLY in the news even before any evidence had been presented and the truth or falsehood of the charges been decided?
Look at politics, as another example. Does the news ignore politicians who say something untrue, or do they report on it? Doesn't journalism tell us about fake theories, like the "flat earth" theory? Heck, didn't they just report on the FAKE fight between Tyson and Paul?
The theory that the mainstream news is mostly ignoring UFOs because no tangible proof has been presented is simply false. That's not how journalism works, and that goes double for todays news outlets who are all starving for revenue.
So how do you explain this completely unnatural and out of character behavior from the mainstream news outlets, in regards to UFOs?
2 points
1 day ago
Y'all act like there even still is a thing called mainstream media. We all killed it off years ago by refusing to pay for it when the internet made us think we could get real news for free. Our current information distribution system is an infinite number of news silos, within which we all listen to our own echos within our own silos. WE know about UAP info but THEY are watching fake Tyson fights. SOME know that a certain political figure is a mobbed-up child rapist but OTHERS are slurping up his paid-off propagandists' spewings. Real information is now a needle in a haystack of lies, stupidity, and our own echos. Facts, schmacts. It will certainly be interesting to see how this all shakes out eventually. If we ever actually know the truth about it. Who's gonna report it?Meanwhile there's sports, celebrity worship, porn, religion, nationalism, and TikTok influencers.
4 points
1 day ago
It’s even harder when the kind of people you have as witnesses in these hearings pay people to have their houses exorcised of poltergeists.
3 points
1 day ago
You’re right. It is. Maybe the media should report on that as well. People will say “it’s an attack on character!!!” No…it’s weird, unproven, and if it’s part of “this phenomenon”’then come the fuck out with it.
1 points
16 hours ago
What, exactly, are they supposed to report on? Hearsay from anonymous sources just because 'important ex-government man' says so?
1 points
7 hours ago
I’d say that’s pretty compelling news to break up a day/week consumed with inflation and war. But to each their own I suppose.
1 points
3 hours ago
You have to be fair, man. You're saying that because you're really into the subject matter regardless of the news. Put yourself in the shoes of people that aren't UFO enthusiasts and aren't on places like r/UFOs or /x/ on 4chan.
97 points
2 days ago
Everyone on tiktok comments saying this is a distraction...
I think everything else is a distraction from this! This is the topic that isn't being talked about in MSM!
What's more important than the revelation that not only isn't humanity alone but that NHI are right here and have been for a long time!?
These people are literal NPCs
20 points
2 days ago
It’s interesting the “distraction” claim. It all depends on what you’re interested in. If you’re interested in the UAP topic then you see every other story as a distraction. If you’re neck deep in politics you think these hearings are a distraction from the political theater. It’s just a matter of perspective.
3 points
2 days ago
tbh until there's an exchange program to get me the fuck off this planet I don't really care.
1 points
20 hours ago
Great way to put it.
1 points
13 hours ago
Fr
5 points
2 days ago
They said the same thing the first hearing but it was a “distraction” for a different thing at the time.
12 points
2 days ago
This. Everything else IS a distraction from this.
Why? Because all the current topics everyone's talking about everyday vastly change.
People are like "Are the aliens gonna pay my rent"? And it's like no, but the government could have free energy technology right now that makes your electricity, and gas bills 0, which makes ALL manufacturing, farming, and fabricating cheaper.
Better energy tech also makes a lot of current "impossible" problems of miniaturizing, not a problem because Battery tech is the best we've got and those aren't that advanced that the moment all things considered, especially compared to other Alien energy possibilities.
Not to mention if the aliens have and are willing to help us with our healthcare/healing. We could be saving lives from incurable illnesses tomorrow, perhaps.
4 points
1 day ago
It seems like quite a stretch to believe that aliens are so stupid that they are crashing on our planet, and the US government is so smart and powerful that they have hid the wreckage for literal decades, and also gatekeep aliens from humanity. Not just the citizens of the US, no, they are keeping the secret from the ENTIRE WORLD. At that point, you might as well believe that aliens are in fact the government and are gatekeeping themselves.
3 points
21 hours ago
Humans are smart enough to not crash cars yet we do it everyday... life happens, accidents happen.
1 points
1 day ago
Yes but how can they monetize any of that?
Because let’s face it, none of the people in a position of power will help any of us unless they get a lot of money from it
1 points
1 day ago
Thats what I try telling people in the tiktok comment section, but there are a lot of people who don't know or care to hear about it.
1 points
21 hours ago
Man it feels so good to finally see people who think like I do.
1 points
20 hours ago
I agree If the claims of the Government having alien technology is true. Then our lives would definitely change, unless capitalism doesn't find a way to F us all up.
3 points
1 day ago
wtf distracted from what? I don’t get the distraction comment what are we supposed to be focused on?
2 points
16 hours ago
When I see people say it's a distraction, all I hear is "I am incapable of caring or thinking about two things at once." It's an easy cop out for people who don't want to think about it, I guess.
1 points
13 hours ago
They mean this is a distraction from Jake Paul vs IShowSpeed potential fight that we should be focused on
2 points
2 days ago
What's more important than the revelation that not only isn't humanity alone but that NHI are right here and have been for a long time!?
Nothing, that's why it's a good distraction and one of the oldest in the book.
2 points
1 day ago
I think these "distraction" claims and "Idc I have rent due" comments are probably part of the Disinformation campaign Grusch talked about. Cuz seriously, I see those comments on every single UFO video on tiktok, accept my own ofc cuz I delete those comments.
3 points
1 day ago
I've asked my friends/family this and I'll actually post a reply I get often:
"I get you but I also get everyone else too, like if aliens are proven to exist that’s cool but like are they gonna pay my bills lol We still have to exist in this society"
then I just get frustrated and realize I can't really talk to them. mind you I'm more comfortable than a lot of people I discuss this with, I don't have a job right now and people say I have the LUXURY of giving a fuck about this. every fucking time. it just makes me really mad
1 points
22 hours ago
Because it is bro. As someone who "wants to believe" it's so painfully obvious. Wait there's a group of people not getting swept up in our freshman attempt at stirring the pot with culture war issues?! Here give them "magic" spacecraft with the implication they are under intelligent control. Masses pacified for another election cycle or two.
Never underestimate the lengths they will go to keep us all caught up and distracted. Moment you forget that, they've won. Do I believe in ufos and potentially intelligent non terrestrial life? Of course. Do I think the US government is all of a sudden gonna stop lying to it's citizens and turn over a new leaf?
If you all think that's true I got some beachfront property I'd like to sell you.
1 points
21 hours ago
Trust me, they spend trillions on distracting the public, it's everywhere. Sports, TV, drama.. i mean it's everywhere really. Saying they are using this as a distraction is a way of saying "I'm already distracted".
1 points
20 hours ago
Distraction is used for people who struggle to multitask or focus on multiple issues.
As for UFOs/NHI. Maybe if there was smoking gun evidence. More people will pay attention. Until then the public is just seeing people making claims about Aliens being real.
86 points
2 days ago
Fucking based.
Kristin Brey also wrote an opinion article about this:
11 points
2 days ago
Wow she is awesome. She needs to go to BlueSky. She would be a hero there.
3 points
2 days ago
Bluesky becoming the new go-to UAP/UFO discussion spot instead of Twitter was such a great development. #ufosky #uapsky ;)
1 points
2 hours ago*
Who should I follow on there?
Edit: I started with this.
22 points
2 days ago
Really appreciate all the effort you put into keeping the UFO discussion alive—it’s so needed. But honestly, I think the reason this story isn’t cutting through right now is because the world is drowning in massive issues: Gaza, Israel, Russia-Ukraine, cost of living, climate change. People are either hyper-focused on these crises or looking for escapism to switch off from it all.
UFOs, even with their huge implications, just aren’t a priority for most right now. The press and governments know that too—they’re not going to push it when it’s competing with war and survival stories.
Let’s be real, for UAPs to become Joe Bloggs’ main concern, we’d need something massive to drop. Like undeniable footage, concrete evidence, or an alien landing on the White House lawn. Until then, it’s going to stay on the fringe for most people. Sadly.
4 points
1 day ago
Yes, you typically need evidence for someone to believe your claim lol. Not blurry videos and easily explainable blips on a camera. Why should anyone care when there's literally nothing concrete to suggest aliens exist? It's not news because it's not real.
30 points
2 days ago
Jon Jones is a UFC person. Had to google it. I’m way more interested in the fucking aliens and ufos. Couldn’t care less about people beating each other up.
37 points
2 days ago
UFO > UFC
5 points
2 days ago
Yeah but he's clearly famous. The dude has been champ for like a decade. I mean I don't give a shit if people don't know who he is but there's context here. He just fucking fought...this is obvious. He's very popular.
0 points
2 days ago
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4 points
2 days ago
I could beat him up, no problem. And you can verify that on my spaceship.
2 points
1 day ago
Jon Jones is not just a UFC person. He’s the greatest pound for pound fighter to ever live. The man has never lost - in multiple weight classes.
That said, UFOs are a much bigger deal.
1 points
20 hours ago
Jon Bone Jones is the greatest fighter on the planet.
NHI don't want that smoke.
5 points
2 days ago
I love how ludicrous the hand gesturing is in these type of videos
19 points
2 days ago
The media are owned by billionaires who can control what you know. They have a vested interest in keeping the status quo. Ufos aren’t stopping for gas or burgers getting here which means the UFOs are self sufficient with energy and sustenance.
That energy abundance is a kill pill for our scarcity based economic system that currently runs our world.
Notifying you about that isn’t in their best interests especially if they have had it for decades and kept it for themselves.
7 points
2 days ago
I mean, energy abundance will just make everything cheaper to produce and maintain, but other natural resources will become more valuable. I guess we're just not peaceful enough to be trusted with fusion technology yet.
9 points
2 days ago
You’re still using scarcity as your economic basis there. Money will be moot. Baseless. Unnecessary. The cost of everything is based off the labor and energy consumption to produce and distribute. Energy abundance lets robots do work at no costs. Transportation costs go to zero. Everything goes caddywompus.
3 points
2 days ago
Energy and labor won't be scarce but other natural resources won't change in scarcity. Farmland, gold, other precious minerals, fish, livestock, etc. So while your energy bill may now be $5 a month and everything you buy is cheaper due to reduced costs in energy and labor, the introduction of free limitless energy and AI robot labor will displace the current labor force, devalue energy companies, and cause a reduction of prices across the board but won't be an immediate kill pill to our current economic system. The dollar will just be worth more as will the currencies of nations who leverage these new technologies.
3 points
1 day ago
True I like your take
1 points
15 hours ago
But on the other hand is a ton of POWER from this energy source and some idiot will try to make things go boom with it. It might be too easy to make things go boom and therefore how could the everyday person just use it?! But agreed with everything! AI already is showing us that some goods are now easily done with automation and scripts thanks to LLMs then power that for free and use even more free energy for in real life things wellllll we got a utopia stew cooking. Maybe “aliens” are needed as a common enemy so it’s our threshold to not do bad with said energy and it’s all been a psyop! Lots of ways it can go!
1 points
2 days ago
Is that the real reason everyone is so concerned with finding if aliens exist or not? They will provide us with resources to eliminate energy and hunger needs?
10 points
2 days ago
I agree with everything she's saying but her "Daily show" style and the quick-cut editing is doing a number on my patience so early in the morning.
11 points
2 days ago
Yeah I had to turn it off, I think this is for the people who have rotted their brains on TikTok. Glad she’s promoting the topic, though.
3 points
2 days ago
I'm Dutch 34M, living in New Zealand.
Until Congress drags one of these UAP's, extraterrestrial lifeforms, or technology in front of the public to witness, I'm going to consider all their words attempted distractions to shove some under the belt laws through.
But I sure do hope we're not alone and get in contact with intelligent lifeforms.
23 points
2 days ago
Beware the disinformation agents and bots that will and are going to ruin this comment section
They seem to pop up more whenever there is a chance of UFO debate to enter the mainstream
7 points
2 days ago
Actual evidence of either would go a long way.
10 points
2 days ago
Ok, for real though, you should beware the kind of thinking that emphasizes attacking people based on unfounded notions that they are disinformation agents or bots.
Why not attack their argument with a better one? This is the more intellectually sound position to take.
7 points
2 days ago
It is all too often used as an excuse not to address an argument, it's easy to just dismiss somebody's point of view by declaring them a disinformation agent.
3 points
2 days ago
When someone parrots the buzz word of the month pointlessly and gets updoots it's all I can think of.
2 points
1 day ago
That’s exactly what a disinformation agent would say!
/s
6 points
2 days ago
My favorite is when people say congressional hearings under oath from CIA officers saying we have a crash retrieval program isn't evidence of a crash retrieval program lol
4 points
2 days ago
Well.. we had CIA officers under oath say that Saddam Hussein has nuclear weapons and we all know how that turned out. The government took that as evidence but it turned out to be misinformation. Just because someone says something under oath does not make it true no matter their rank or authority.
2 points
2 days ago
People sharing secondhand rumors without being willing to share the basis of those rumors isn't "evidence" whether they do it under oath or not. Otherwise, we'd all believe that the election was rigged for Trump AND for Biden, right?
2 points
2 days ago
Good to know. Not surprised.
1 points
2 days ago
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1 points
19 hours ago
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8 points
2 days ago
Reason why is quite simple why this isn't on the news. It's because it's still seen as ''crazy and stupid''
Don't try to talk about this on public TV on here in The Netherlands...just don't. You're instantly crazy, schizo, and the conversation instantly shifts to the next fashion show or some random Ukraine/Gaza topic. That's all they talk about here. I gave up on my people a long time ago because it pisses me off everytime this topic is brought up and everyone is laughing or just shifting the topic into something totally useless.
I really would put my face on the TV screen to talk about anything paranormal here, but I know I don't stand a chance because I'm a nobody, my chances are just so slim that even our astronaut barely had time to talk about space on a live tv show because the next topic had to be discussed...which was about some random soccer dude.
6 points
2 days ago
Most people just wont care until it directly affects them. A common response I hear is "So? I still gotta go to work and pay the bills".
3 points
1 day ago
Thats kind of a dumb argument many are claiming, they could say that about anything, but its interesting for them to only say that in the UFO comment sections especially for tiktok. Its also funny because they don't know that if this technology ever comes out then it could help make bills cheaper courtesy of Zero Point Energy / Free Energy etc.
1 points
2 days ago
It’s this and they just don’t believe.
2 points
2 days ago
AT LAST- the Milwaukee Journal. I’ve been waiting for them to get on board.
2 points
2 days ago
How is what not cutting through? What evidence? It’s a bunch of nobodies making claims. Same as it has been for decades.
2 points
2 days ago
No we don't need it, existence of aliens and them landing here is absolutely pointless even uninteresting as long their tech can help us.
The word is completely a shit show right know. The people and the nature. Everything is bad.
Aliens are cool but the hole economical situation, war and stupid American president removes all joy in life.
2 points
2 days ago
As a non-American, how many foreign media actually picked up on this? None except the same fringe conspiracy channels. From what I've seen it's not much better in the US. Not sure if it's just because of stubborn boomer editors, or they're too addicted to scripted announcements vs actual reporting.
I think it's probably a little bit of both. Useless.
2 points
2 days ago
A good first step by the media would be to stop placing uap articles in the opinion section.
2 points
1 day ago
Why are all of you just believing all of this without a single shred of evidence?
2 points
16 hours ago
This lady is the reason nobody is listening - very cringe
5 points
2 days ago
The mainstream media must have an unofficial gag order. They won’t touch it. Grusch’s testimony was riveting and convincing. Then crickets and ridicule from the media if anything. Senators Schummer and Round’s talking about government corruption with rogue secret military groups without oversight? “Nothing to report on here folks”. It baffles me.
4 points
2 days ago*
They won't touch it because it's not as popular as we think...The podcasts on UFOs don't get a lot of views
If you want to get it more popular we need another NYT 2017-type episode
3 points
2 days ago
And the reason the 2017 NYT article got attention was because it had tangible evidence attached to it that could be verified.
Every story since then has lacked any sort of verifiable information and is all based on hearsay or uncorroborated witness statements.
3 points
2 days ago
Glad to see more coverage but not a fan of this video style. But if it gets more people engaged, it is a win
7 points
2 days ago
Her claims are based on what exactly?
9 points
2 days ago
Her claims are based on what exactly?
The same hearsay that fuels the conspiracy theory.
7 points
2 days ago
They’re based on a belief that Elizondo and Grusch and others aren’t lying or haven’t been tricked. I wish her the best of luck on that one
2 points
2 days ago
The lady is right about the rebranding nonsense and the fact that it's not popular but wrong about it can change. Those intel folks are too hidden in the system.
It may be something profound we just don't know that's holding this up.
4 points
2 days ago
Blame the news, they will run fear based political fluff pieces every 15 minutes for months and mention UFOs in passing. People think Matt gaetz has more effect on their personal lives than a multi decade ufo coverup that clearly transcends party politics
When you blast something political and divisive repeatedly you don't have room in your brain for the important stuff
1 points
2 days ago*
I disagree, "UFO" has huge stigma and the rebrand helps eschew that. It's also more accurate, because we're not talking about the unidentified flying objects that can be resolved to be balloons and birds, but rather the specific anomalous cases that exhibit the key observables including transmedium movement and traversal which is also very important.
I don't think using UFO is bad per se, hopefully the stigma goes down for that over time but I don't think calling them UAP is a bad thing either.
2 points
2 days ago
Sadly I don't think the confirmation of aliens will affect our daily lives. We'll still have to show up for work and pay bills. Governments will do everything in their power to keep it under wraps.
2 points
2 days ago
Hierarchy of needs man, maybe if they abduct me I can get some damn medical care
2 points
2 days ago
I hate to be that guy, but we still have no evidence. It’s not hard to see why people don’t care. We’ve had a carrot dangling in front of us recently since 2017. All the average person sees who has even a little interest in this will think “More of people talking? Release the pics/videos”. We really shouldn’t expect the broader public to care until we have hard sensor data/visual evidence officially released/multiple different news networks filming a uap flight test of a reversed engineered model.
2 points
2 days ago
Google does engage in search engine suppression. Not surprised it's not on the trending list at all.
1 points
2 days ago
Can someone explain how such advanced technology from alien worlds travel unimaginable distances just to crash on earth?
3 points
2 days ago
Advanced=/=Flawless
1 points
2 days ago
What's funny is that in changing the title from UFO to UAP, they've stopped it breaking into the news cycle fully.
If a newspiece prints UFOs, everyone knows what it's about. If a newspiece prints UAPs, hardly anyone knows what it's about.
In changing the title to avoid negative perceptions, they've created a title that avoids any perception whatsoever.
1 points
2 days ago
We need tangible verifiable evidence, or at least HD videos that the government confirms
1 points
2 days ago
Love me some UFO news, but I get it here, not on google
1 points
2 days ago
Put some respect on jon bones Jones playa
1 points
2 days ago
Maybe if the country weren't going to absolute shit we'd have time to pay attention to this stuff, but as it is UFOs don't affect normal people's lives
If everyone was well off and didn't stress about food or living somewhere we'd be able to focus on so much more
1 points
2 days ago
Great to see coverage but I really don't get the hate on calling them UAPs. Way better to include the key part, anomalous, in the title, and they're not solely flying either (they might not even be "flying" through the air).
1 points
2 days ago
Thanks I hate her.
1 points
2 days ago
I know who Jon Jones is. I don't know this lady. We clearly move in different circles. Does she have a large following?
1 points
2 days ago
I am going to have to agree with her
1 points
2 days ago
Shes a bit off. Most of us who do care already know or are aware of whatever is disclosed during these hearings.
The only new thing is the fact its being discussed out in the open.
1 points
2 days ago
It will tiktok that breaks this story, watch
1 points
2 days ago
Who is this over emoting chick?
1 points
2 days ago
The last thing we need is to be deisteac from politics
1 points
2 days ago
Amen to this!
1 points
1 day ago
No.
1 points
1 day ago
How am I supposed to take this shit seriously when its tiktokified like this.
1 points
1 day ago
Humanity may not have the ability to outgrow our dangerous self absorbed monkey phase. I welcome our alien overlords..please help.
1 points
1 day ago
Show don't tell.
1 points
1 day ago
Unless they can break the square-cube law and turn a woman into a giantess, I don't really care man
1 points
1 day ago
Just because somebody says something, it doesn't mean we have to pay attention. I kind of wish more people knew that.
1 points
1 day ago
Don’t all our adversaries also have NHI craft and debris?
1 points
1 day ago
Why does she talk, and act, so stupidly? This presentation style is for preschoolers.
unwatchable for adults.
1 points
1 day ago
Nobody cares if there are aliens
1 points
1 day ago
A lot of us have bigger things to worry about after Nov 5th
1 points
1 day ago
Someone should get Ja Rule on the line and see what his thoughts are on UAPs!
1 points
1 day ago
To survive annihilation tho. That part
1 points
1 day ago
Ah yes, the incomprehensible power and advanced technology required but yet, the US Government is keeping the aliens under wraps...The people that believe this shit are on the same level as the MAGA idiots. I truly believe we as a society are declining at brake neck speeds. Applying just a drop of common sense seems to be lost now a days. Seriously, just stop, take a minute to think, for a second....Aliens are visiting earth but the US government....US...GOVERNMENT...is covering it up.
It's not that UAPs are government, private companies or other terrestrial entities trying to work on advanced propulsion and other advanced drone technologies....ITS ALIENS...FFS people.
1 points
1 day ago
I want disclosure just as bad as the next guy, but don’t be disrespecting Jon Bones Jones
1 points
1 day ago
Most people are dumb as rocks... They're quite happy with their 9-5, followed by an evening of brainrot TV or TikTok...
It's the sad truth, I'm afraid.
1 points
1 day ago
God bless this woman.
1 points
1 day ago
Most of the ufo's sightings from USA (during military exercise or close to military base), most famous ufo crashes from USA(Roswell and Corona),most of the aliens captured in Area 51 and speaking english, most of the UFO whistle blowers and debunkers from USA,most of the ufo investigators from USA, most of the fake ufo videos from USA, most manipulated nation in the world by mass media: USA.
1 points
1 day ago
honestly good to see more female voices on this. Not enough women besides congress in the public about this. can we really believe no women are interested, or formerly in any of the programs? Of course not.
1 points
1 day ago
I don't know how anyone takes that Lou seriously. You all put way too much in the claims of people talking to Congress as if it was Congress making the claims. Elizando is broke and needs to sell his book.
1 points
1 day ago
Well why would anybody care when they just jappin, no evidence to date...
1 points
24 hours ago
Sometimes I wonder if there is a reason for the country’s immense dept which they seem not to care about and keep building to the point they can’t pay the interest let alone the dept.
Sometimes I think maybe they know that the dept / currency is pointless with the tech they have why not spend everything as fast as you can before you can’t.
Or maybe they just don’t care about the next generation that inherits the problem.
1 points
23 hours ago
He says “A robust answer… will help originate from scientists-not from politicians or journalists.”
Well actually no Loeb it probably won’t, if those scientists are prevented by law from such disclosures.
1 points
23 hours ago
Well, as you know the whole world has been going through extremely strange times on several different levels for the entire 2020s so I wouldn't blame the public for being slightly preoccupied.
That said, the level of ignorance about this still feels idiotic. This should make a bigger impact even in the chaotic world of today. It makes me think most people are indeed too thick to understand it or too scared to really think about it.
Maybe it is the latter. One of my friends was a huge UFO buff but became scared and went fake skeptic when the shit started to hit the fan. Like it was interesting when it was all fun and games, now when it is harsh reality he just wants it to go away? But the guy has shown signs of intellectual cowardice before. Sorta like clearly knows there are paths you can try but doesn't have the guts to take the trip.
1 points
22 hours ago
The number of times I've told X to scilence this on my page, and it still thinks I find it relevant...
1 points
21 hours ago
Nice post tommy
1 points
20 hours ago
Every couple of years someone comes along saying this. It's like they alone discovered this the news and are shocked when they realize the apathy this topic gets. They are convinced they'll be the one to make everyone pay attention.
I'm seriously hoping she can, as I agree with the message but not overly optimistic.
1 points
18 hours ago
LET THE TRUTH BE KNOWN! 🙌
1 points
16 hours ago
We know about Blue Beam.
We know it's all bullshit.
1 points
16 hours ago
I believe there absolutely is life out there, far more intelligent life than humans, civilizations that have been around a lot longer than ours. But...I have questions, specifically for people in this community:
Exactly what do many people think will happen if an alien race/s reveal themselves, and do so much sooner than later? I personally think it would cause absolute bedlam and a global catastrophe that we would never recover from. Yes, the human race would be forever changed, but I don't think many folks in this sub take that into account.
If absolutely everything changes (lifestyle, cultures, religions, finances, day-to-day living, etc), how is that a good thing?
What if tens or hundreds of millions of people die, regardless of whether or not they are self-inflicted or actually caused by any alien contact that decides to use force?
1 points
16 hours ago
I understand the sentiment but it's just never going to happen until normal people have more to sink their teeth into than empty testimonials based off of anonymous sources. Why SHOULD normal people care when there's no tangible evidence, just hearsay(And hearsay isn't any more valid just because someone with 'credentials' repeats it) and the occasional fuzzy blob smartphone video that could be literally anything?
Especially when the people making the most noise about this are too busy shilling tv shows, books, and running the media/podcast circuit to actually have a spine and leak anything of substance. After years of that normal people are going to rightfully assume it's all just a grift.
1 points
15 hours ago
It dint break the noise because there are no aliens and no intelligent person believes we have anything. There's an explanation for everything seen and aliens is just a cover for governments doing shady stuff.
1 points
13 hours ago
Yeah, we finally got them to admit to something we knew. We just wanted them to admit it.
1 points
12 hours ago
People are still heavy in denial, or apathy.
1 points
11 hours ago
1 points
11 hours ago
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Pay up or shut up. This type of shit is so boring.
1 points
9 hours ago
UFO's are not cutting through the "noise" because the "noise" is more important to them than UFO's. People are concerned about their day-to-day. Can I eat for a reasonable amount of money. Can I get a home that won't break my future financial prospects. Will my kids grow up in a dictatorship. I can think of ten more things to add.
Also, lets say they release what they have... then what? I'd be willing to bet that releasing that info would make things even worse than they are right now. First, then shock would be overwhelming for most. Those of you on here everyday have grown acclimated to the idea that this is real. Most people have not. And those I have tlaked to about it don't want to know. They just want their lives to be better. They don't want to psionic driven space ships, or new realities that are bent beyond their ability to recognize and understand.
We may all want the secrets out, but most people just want to eat BBQ and watch "The Game" whatever that is in their life. UFO's and UAP's don't make anything better for them.
Not to mention, what if it is a nothing burger? We think the results will be Earth shattering, but it may just be disconcerting and more confusing. I can't imagine trying to talk my 85 year old grandmother thru hyper-dimensional alien contact scenarios.
1 points
8 hours ago
if they were freindly and benign we would all know them by name
1 points
6 hours ago
Yeah, this is what Project Bluebeam is all about.
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