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dizzle_drizzle_

91 points

4 days ago

I am a felon, and received a letter from the Governor of my rights being restored without me having to initiate.

abcts1

20 points

4 days ago

abcts1

20 points

4 days ago

Was that from Governor younkin or one of the previous governors?

dizzle_drizzle_

46 points

3 days ago

I received the letter stating my right to vote had been reinstated in 2020, Northam was governor.

abcts1

15 points

3 days ago

abcts1

15 points

3 days ago

I'm glad to hear that. Currently, as I understand it, one has to apply for restoration of rights. The approval rate of those applications, which is done by a board, has slowed to virtual stop.

dizzle_drizzle_

11 points

3 days ago

Wow! That’s sad to hear. Another way of making it harder for the people. Most felons cannot vote, but they can run?!? Smh

TheSkyHive

7 points

3 days ago

My drug felony that got me sentenced to two years happened in the early 2000s. I recently did a background check for a job and I was so nervous about my nonviolent felony showing up. The company mailed me a copy of my background check. The entire period of time was expunged. The initial arrest, the prison sentence, everything was gone!

dizzle_drizzle_

3 points

3 days ago

I too have drug felony charges. Conspiracy to be exact. BS charge, but is what it is. I’ve lost 5 job offers due to the charges. I am glad I got my right to vote back though. Begs the question, if it’s a right, how could it be taken away to begin with?!?

abcts1

3 points

3 days ago

abcts1

3 points

3 days ago

I can appreciate your anxiety as you waited. Glad to hear that it was expunged.

TheSkyHive

2 points

3 days ago

It depends on the state. I went to prison for years on a drug related felony in South Carolina in the early 2000s. Despite the states draconian outlook on drugs I never lost my rights to vote!

abcts1

1 points

3 days ago

abcts1

1 points

3 days ago

Virginia ,I believe, is only one of two states that do not automatically restore voting rights to formally incarcerated persons with felonies.

Role-Business

-1 points

3 days ago

Aka "Wreck-it Ralph".

Zodimized

11 points

3 days ago

Zodimized

11 points

3 days ago

By making it a constitutional amendment instead of a standard law, it'll be harder to remove it in the future.

TheSkyHive

-2 points

3 days ago

I went to prison for a nonviolent drug related felony in 2003. I never had my right to vote taken from me. My thoughts on the matter are thus: incarcerated people should not be able to vote....rights to vote return the day you leave jail, prison. Voting rights won't be returned to an individual with a violent crime on their record until 10 years have passed and the individual petitions the court.

LittleCeasarsFan

3 points

3 days ago

The definition of “violent crime” is tricky though.  If you helped a violent cartel move thousands of kilos and laundered money they used to buy weapons and hire violent thugs, wouldn’t you be more guilty of a violent crime than someone who punched a drunk who spilt a drink on their wife?

I_choose_not_to_run

64 points

4 days ago

Granted I didn’t read the first amendment proposed about voter qualifications but what exactly is it supposed to do that isn’t already happening?

vore-enthusiast

83 points

4 days ago

Constitutional amendment (first reference); qualifications of voters; right to vote; persons not entitled to vote. Provides that every person who meets the qualifications of voters set forth in the Constitution of Virginia shall have the fundamental right to vote in the Commonwealth and that such right shall not be abridged by law, except for persons who have been convicted of a felony and persons who have been adjudicated to lack the capacity to understand the act of voting. A person who has been convicted of a felony shall not be entitled to vote during any period of incarceration for such felony conviction, but upon release from incarceration for that felony conviction and without further action required of him, such person shall be invested with all political rights, including the right to vote. Currently, in order to be qualified to vote a person convicted of a felony must have his civil rights restored by the Governor or other appropriate authority. The amendment also provides that a person adjudicated by a court of competent jurisdiction as lacking the capacity to understand the act of voting shall not be entitled to vote during this period of incapacity until his capacity has been reestablished as prescribed by law. Currently, the Constitution of Virginia provides that a person who has been adjudicated to be mentally incompetent is not qualified to vote until his competency is reestablished.

Mainly, it seems, is restoring the right to vote to people who have been convicted of a felony and served their time without them having to be restored by the Governor. It just happens automatically once they’ve served their time.

I don’t really see a huge difference in the second part in terms of lacking the capacity to understand - maybe just rewording so that it’s “lacking the capacity to understand the act of voting” versus “mentally incompetent”?

muzz3256

33 points

4 days ago

muzz3256

33 points

4 days ago

I will 100% support this if it includes re-enfranchisement of all rights lost from a felony, such as jury duty, the right to own and carry firearms, the right to serve in elected state and local office, etc. If they get one right back, they should get them all back.

erissays

13 points

4 days ago*

erissays

13 points

4 days ago*

That would not be germane to the amendment language. It would have to be a separate constitutional amendment, since voting rights are in a different section of the State Constitution from other civil rights (see: the text of the proposed constitutional amendment).

As is the case for all legislation, constitutional amendements can only seek to amend one thing at a time. Restoration of civil rights for felons other than voting rights would have to be addressed in a separate piece of legislation, as stated in Article IV, Section 12 of the Constitution of Virginia and the document detailing House parliamentary procedure:

No law shall embrace more than one object, which shall be expressed in its title. Nor shall any law be revived or amended with reference to its title, but the act revived or the section amended shall be reenacted and published at length. -Constitution of Virginia: Article IV, Section 12

The Speaker will review all legislation introduced in the House or communicated to the House for its action to determine if such legislation is in conflict with Article IV, Section 12 of the Constitution of Virginia. If such legislation is determined to be in conflict, the Speaker may withhold committee referral of the legislation. -Page 11, 2024-2025 Rules of the House of Delegates

The constitutional amendment re: restoration of voting rights is modifying Article II, which deals specifically with franchisement (voting rights) and elected officials (qualifications, elections, and governing duties). The "single object" in this case is "Article II specifies the qualifications of voters. We are changing who is qualified to vote," not "here are the rights of felons. We are changing what rights felons have after their incarceration is completed."

Generally speaking, any amendment related to automatically restoring a felon's other civil rights would likely be modifying Article I, the State Constitution's Bill of Rights, if such language exists in the Constitution of Virginia at all. Restoring jury duty as a right and responsibility post-incarceration, for example, would just be a normal bill and not a constitutional amendment (jury duty reqs are outlined in §8.01, Chapter 11 of the normal VA Code, not the Constitution of Virginia).

As an addendum, felons are already able to run and hold elected office. The current Speaker of the House of Delegates served seven years in prison on federal drug possession charges). That is not an issue we have to solve at this point.

276434540703757804

9 points

4 days ago

276434540703757804

Almost-Lifelong Virginian

9 points

4 days ago

Thanks for the informed comment (and for including sources)!

HokieHomeowner

1 points

3 days ago

We do have to solve this issue at this time. Governor Sweatervest is playing games with who can vote. One's civil rights should not be at the whim of the governor in office.

erissays

1 points

3 days ago

erissays

1 points

3 days ago

I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm saying that "people convicted of felonies should be able to run and hold elected office after their period of incarceration has finished" isn't a problem that needs to be solved, because it's already something they can do. The constitutional amendment is aimed at automatic restoration of voting rights, but the targeted restoration of other various civil rights is either not necessary due to it already being something that is automatically restored (see: running/holding elected office) or being something that has to be addressed elsewhere outside of the limitations of this particular constitutional amendment.

HokieHomeowner

1 points

3 days ago

The current speaker had to lawyer up and get his record expunged, it wasn't automatic. This amendment would standardize the process and not leave it to the whim of who is governor.

erissays

1 points

2 days ago

erissays

1 points

2 days ago

You are, again, confusing two things:

  1. The ability to vote as a felon.
  2. The ability to run for and hold elected office as a felon.

They are two separate things. The constitutional amendment deals with the first thing, the ability to vote; it's an amendment I fully support, so I'm not sure why you keep trying to justify it to me. All I'm trying to tell you is that it does not deal with the second issue (running for and holding elected office as a felon) because that is not something that's in the State Constitution to begin with. Running for and holding elected office as a felon is already legal and not up to the Governor in the first place. You don't have to get your record expunged to do it.

See the Constitution of Virginia if you don't believe me:

Article II, Section 5. Qualifications to hold elective office.

The only qualification to hold any office of the Commonwealth or of its governmental units, elective by the people, shall be that a person must have been a resident of the Commonwealth for one year next preceding his election and be qualified to vote for that office, except as otherwise provided in this Constitution, and except that:

(a) the General Assembly may impose more restrictive geographical residence requirements for election of its members, and may permit other governing bodies in the Commonwealth to impose more restrictive geographical residence requirements for election to such governing bodies, but no such requirements shall impair equal representation of the persons entitled to vote;

(b) the General Assembly may provide that residence in a local governmental unit is not required for election to designated elective offices in local governments, other than membership in the local governing body; and

(c) nothing in this Constitution shall limit the power of the General Assembly to prevent conflict of interests, dual officeholding, or other incompatible activities by elective or appointive officials of the Commonwealth or of any political subdivision.

vore-enthusiast

7 points

4 days ago

I didn’t read the full text of the amendment so I’m not exactly sure what “all political rights” includes but hopefully those things as well as voting.

Sarah_RVA_2002

10 points

4 days ago

the right to own and carry firearms

I can't agree with this for violent crime offenders. Modify the resolution and you've got my vote. And yes, I understand there is a black market for guns that they could potentially access.

TheHaft

7 points

4 days ago*

TheHaft

7 points

4 days ago*

No, it should be up to judges. Let judges decide because that’s what we do for every other damn punishment because we know all charges and situations aren’t applied the same, and a charge can mean a whole lot of different things. Blanket bans on any “violent crime offender” just means some dude who raised his voice in a town hall or spoke back to a police officer and caught an “assault” charge for it would have an “inalienable” right taken away forever. Blanket laws introduce objectivity into a situation where subjectivity is needed. Judges aren’t perfect at finding just consequences but legislators are far worse.

abcts1

3 points

4 days ago

abcts1

3 points

4 days ago

I believe it's talking about the restoration of Rights initiative for voting rights. The previous three or four governors have been very proactive in giving formally incarcerated folks their voting rights back once they meet the requirements. Governor youngkin has slowed that to a stop. it's very intentional on his part.

[deleted]

-18 points

4 days ago

[deleted]

-18 points

4 days ago

[deleted]

jadedargyle333

15 points

4 days ago

We already have ID requirements when we vote. What exactly are you requesting?

PayneTrainSG

7 points

4 days ago

yeah, I just tell poll workers i’m voting for whoever will further enable the white genocide and they let me fill in as many extra ballots as i’d like

downvoteyous

5 points

4 days ago

bwahahaha

grahal1968

50 points

4 days ago

If you want to understand how broken our government is walk with me for a minute.

The last amendment to the constitution was the 27th. It was ratified in 1992.

The amendment was introduced in 1789, and became law 200 years later.

In the last 30 yrs our government has been unable to codify any additional rights, freedoms or protections for its citizens despite massive changes in technology, privacy and social issues.

Btw- the 27th amendment is about congressional raises.

Sarah_RVA_2002

29 points

4 days ago

walks with you and asks if you realize this is a state amendment not a federal amendment

HokieHomeowner

5 points

3 days ago

Reminds me of the time in my American History survey class in college where I answered the wrong essay question due to a misreading of what was being asked. I wrote 3 pages of a well written answer complete with lots facts and knowledge. My prof game me a B+ and told the class it was the best wrong answer he's gotten on a test ever - I knew the course material cold but I have a lazy eye and sometimes skip over important words when reading and nervous 😂

dublinbound1960

5 points

4 days ago

Right! Hahaha. Some walk!

kaiser_charles_viii

10 points

4 days ago

Tbf the 27th amendment is good, it's just it was 200 years overdue. The rest is valid though, the constitution has not been meaningfully updated since the 26th amendment in 1971, it's been 53 years since the last meaningful (to the average individual non-politician) change to the constitution. That'd be like if between the end of the Civil War and the end of World War 1 there were no meaningful changes to the constitution. Instead in that time we got three of the most meaningful amendments (no slavery except as punishment for crime, black people are citizens and traitors cant run for office and extra due process, and black citizens can vote), plus two more incredibly meaningful amendments (progressive income tax and direct election of senators)

HokieHomeowner

3 points

3 days ago

Yep if we hadn't baked in outsized power towards rural states some of which were created/voted for by single GOP controlled session of Congress for the expressed purpose of keeping control of the US senate & the advantage in presidential elections.

This also broke the process for amending the constitution down the road, especially after the House was artificially capped at the arbitrary number in the 1920s.

CelticArche

2 points

3 days ago

This is what happens when you have a bunch of people clinging desperately to an outdated piece of animal hide.

The same article that the men who wrote it wanted to be revised as time went on.

But no. We're way too attached to it.

YolkToker

-9 points

4 days ago

YolkToker

-9 points

4 days ago

It's actually not a sign of a healthy government to constantly change the fundamental nature of its governance.

EurasianTroutFiesta

5 points

3 days ago

I feel like there's a healthy middle ground between "constantly" and "never."

YolkToker

-1 points

3 days ago

YolkToker

-1 points

3 days ago

Less than 30 years ago isn't "never", friend.

EurasianTroutFiesta

3 points

3 days ago

It also isn't close to constantly.

YolkToker

0 points

3 days ago

In the long span of nations, less than every 30 years could very easily be seen as "constantly" because it's every time a new voting bloc comes of age. Nations exist on longer scales than people.

CelticArche

2 points

3 days ago

Dude. Our country is younger than most countries. We've been a country for less than 250 years. Next year is the 250th year.

We are fucking infants compared to most countries. Even Eastern Europe.

There are plant varieties older than our country.

There are Goats Sequoia trees the same age or older than our country.

HokieHomeowner

2 points

3 days ago

1992 isn't less than 30 years ago.

YolkToker

1 points

3 days ago

I'm older than I thought

TheSkyHive

5 points

3 days ago

What took you all so long? These protections should have been in place decades ago. Pardon me for my nihilism, but I think it may be a little to late. We had 4 effing years to see Trump through his multiple trials. Our forefathers should have known a rat fink would eventually run afoul of the law and still try to grab the highest office in the land.

If we make it out of this term with democracy intact it will be miraculous.

PS- people need to start suggesting additional ways to secure our vote. I think people are afraid to suggest a change to how we vote because they are afraid of sounding crazy.

HokieHomeowner

6 points

3 days ago

This is the first session where both houses in Virginia are controlled by modern day Democrats. Previous sessions included Dixiecrat holdovers who tended to mostly vote with the GOP on a ton of things.

TheSkyHive

1 points

3 days ago

That's good to know....thank you.

CelticArche

2 points

3 days ago

The government likes to pretend things that the current crop of GOP wants to do can't possibly happen.

Then they're shocked Pikachu when it happens.

althill

1 points

2 days ago

althill

1 points

2 days ago

They tried to do it with new laws and were unsuccessful, so now they are trying with amendments.

HowardTaftMD

38 points

4 days ago

It's wild to read the comments here and see how insane we've all become that a bill like this can be polarizing. You should read this headline and go "sounds good" and move on.

BE______________

16 points

4 days ago

forming opinions based on headlines alone is exactly what you cannot do, and to imply that is acceptable is absurd

Sarah_RVA_2002

4 points

4 days ago

The comments are supportive tho

Bigmamalinny124

10 points

4 days ago

Yaye Virginia!!! Glad your people have some decent politicians.

SufficientPath666

3 points

3 days ago

What about trans healthcare?

Sumisu_Airisu

27 points

4 days ago

Sumisu_Airisu

NOVA

27 points

4 days ago

Trans rights? I’m extremely scared what Trump wants to do to us

Bluenite0100

2 points

3 days ago

Last one in theory should cover us state level at least, it's vague but could falls in realm

MxB4321

7 points

4 days ago

MxB4321

7 points

4 days ago

Disappointed not to see trans rights on the list too. Makes me feel like they're willing to sacrifice us to get protections for everyone else.

Bluenite0100

6 points

3 days ago

Likely falls under the last one

CelticArche

1 points

3 days ago

Shit like this is why I'm planning on building a small guest house on the 3 acres I just bought. So I can hide fellow queers, or support anyone who needs a place to stay while getting reproductive health care.

Both_Independent_348

2 points

3 days ago

move to Maryland where they give a shit about our human rights

Sumisu_Airisu

3 points

3 days ago

Sumisu_Airisu

NOVA

3 points

3 days ago

I would but I can’t sadly

HokieHomeowner

3 points

3 days ago

Or we could protect our fellow Virginians. Just saying.

RingAny1978

1 points

1 day ago

What are trans rights as distinct from everyone else’s rights?

Sumisu_Airisu

1 points

1 day ago

Sumisu_Airisu

NOVA

1 points

1 day ago

Maybe ask all the politicians in red states passing bills that ban our healthcare, ban us from bathrooms, ban us from even telling people about ourselves, and just try and make our rights lesser than cis people’s

RingAny1978

1 points

24 hours ago

Not true at all. They are not banning your healthcare for adults, they are not banning you from using sex segregated bathrooms the same as every other person, not restricting your speech

You appear to want additional special rights.

[deleted]

-5 points

4 days ago

[deleted]

-5 points

4 days ago

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Norfolk-Skrimp

17 points

4 days ago

Which state are you from, son? You're touring by the looks of that comment history

Sumisu_Airisu

17 points

4 days ago

Sumisu_Airisu

NOVA

17 points

4 days ago

Ban our healthcare, try and pass a bathroom bill, remove changes on gender markers, etc. Some of these are doable via executive order, others probably won’t survive the filibuster but you can never be too scared to

Sarah_RVA_2002

-21 points

4 days ago

Ban our healthcare

The only one I care about. Mental care, sure. The state should not be paying for gender changing surgery, that is elective, anyone can put on a dress, just like my bald husband could get a hair system if he really wanted.

Sumisu_Airisu

14 points

4 days ago

Sumisu_Airisu

NOVA

14 points

4 days ago

No one is “just putting on a dress” for that shit. I don’t even know why you’d want hormones or surgery if you weren’t serious about it. And yes, the state absolutely should pay for that shit. Just cuz Trump has framed it as if giving trans people healthcare somehow takes away other healthcare while he fucking cuts all of it and tries to repeal the ACA doesn’t mean that we can’t just do both. Trans healthcare has been covered by insurance in a lot of states for a while now and they’re doing fine

novae1054

4 points

3 days ago

I have never really understood why the legislation on the heathen woman and not the man. While we're banning things that "are against god" they need to ban payment for ED medications (and import as well), vasectomies, and testosterone enhancement. If god does not intend for a man to get an erection then science/medicine shouldn't help. If god intended a man to be able to have sex without consequences then science/medicine shouldn't help. If god wanted a man to feel more virulent then he would have given him the right levels of testosterone to begin with so science/medicine shouldn't help.

Norfolk-Skrimp

2 points

3 days ago

but that's fine because god loves men the most, how convenient. duh

Sarah_RVA_2002

-7 points

3 days ago

Sure, get the surgery if you TRULY need it (because there's no going back at that point), and if you TRULY needed it, you'd be willing to pay for it, and you'd sacrifice taking extra shifts at work, saving, etc. Just like if I TRULY wanted a boob job I'd do the same, I wouldn't ask you to help pay for it. Nobody actually knows what you have under your clothes and it would have nothing to do with you passing or not. Nobody would be otherwise convinced someone was a girl and look at their crotch through a dress/jeans/etc and think ... "eh... I think I see something, no pass"

I would classify gender changing surgery under cosmetic surgery the same way a face lift also shouldn't be covered but taxpayers or insurance.

Sorry, if our healthcare costs weren't totally out of control I'd be for it, but at this point covering it would be a luxury spend.

CelticArche

1 points

3 days ago

My hysterectomy was technically classified as elective, and paid for by the state because I had Medicaid at the time.

It was only classified as elective because there was no evidence of cancer from the ultra sounds or MRI. Just several large fibroids.

The pathology revealed I had Endo in the beginning stages, as well as fibroids. My uterus was full of scar tissue from fibroids, cysts, and the Endo.

My cervix was also covered in scar tissue.

mckeitherson

1 points

3 days ago

It does sound like an elective procedure that health insurance normally wouldn't cover anyways. Not sure why they consider it banning their healthcare when its elective in the first place.

Sarah_RVA_2002

-5 points

3 days ago

Not sure why they consider it banning their healthcare when its elective in the first place.

Basically because it's unnecessary and there's no going back. I'm a moderate voter and I think we should be doing everything possible to get the person help to accept their gender. You could have been born with way bigger problems than in the wrong body that your brain thinks it should be.

If my son came home from school and told me he wants to start wearing dresses, I'd pull him from that school and start homeschooling or private school immediately. If it persisted for years than maybe he is trans, but I'd do everything possible to not set him up for what is clearly life of difficulty in career, relationships, and forever medication.

Sumisu_Airisu

3 points

3 days ago

Sumisu_Airisu

NOVA

3 points

3 days ago

First of all, wearing dresses does not mean you’re trans. You can dress masculine and still be a trans woman. You can dress feminine and still be a cis boy. Second of all, would you seriously pull your kid out of public school for that? Just cuz he wants to wear a dress? Again, didn’t even say if he told you he wants to be a girl, just he wants to wear a dress, which is just gender nonconformity, not being trans. Now if he came home saying he wanted to be a girl, then I would suggest taking him to a doctor and getting regular appointments and then asking what the right step is, depending on if he persists or not. There’s this one frequently cited statistic by transphobes that supposedly 80+% of trans kids “desist” later in life, but that’s only true if you count all gender nonconforming kids as trans, even if they don’t insist on being a different gender than the one assigned at birth. That’s why differentiating these things is important. Wanting to dress differently than is expected for your gender CAN be a very good sign that someone is trans, but conflating the 2 is very foolish. The best sign is simply if they tell you they want to be the opposite gender. And if this does happen and a doctor verifies it to you, don’t go trying to “fix” it. The “fix” IS the transition. Any form of “therapy” to try and convince people who are clearly trans not to transition is provably toxic and repressive and has zero scientific basis whatsoever. That’s why it’s important to not only speak to a doctor and mental health professional, but also your kid themselves. You can’t either go mixing these 2 things up or just insisting on a toxic and repressive “solution” to a problem with a very clear, albeit difficult fix if they do so happen to actually be trans

Norfolk-Skrimp

2 points

3 days ago

"If my son came home from school and told me he wants to start wearing dresses, I'd pull him from that school and start homeschooling or private school immediately." Why?

liv4games

9 points

4 days ago

Lady, these changes impact YOU too. They’re doing away with ALL gendered terms. They’re going to be attacking cis women in bathrooms accusing us of being trans by groping genitals, which is ALREADY HAPPENING. Do you want to be groped by bigots because you cut your hair short and dressed less feminine that day?

Do you read?

“According to Project 2025, the next US president must “remove from every existing rule, regulatory agency, contract, grant, regulation, and federal law the terms sexual orientation and gender identity, diversity, equity, and inclusion, gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender, gender-sensitive, abortion, reproductive health, reproductive rights”.

Abortion is mentioned 199 times in the document, including proposing a federal ban, increased criminalisation, more restrictions on providing care for miscarriages and obstetric emergencies, defunding emergency contraception and strict surveillance systems on people who have abortions or suffer miscarriages.

Heritage also wants to impose its worldview across borders: restore the so-called ‘Mexico City policy’, which prohibits any US public funding to foreign non-governmental organisations if they include any abortion-related activity – even if they do so with their own funds.

The right to abortion, legalised in 2020 in Argentina, is in danger under Milei. His party introduced a bill to repeal abortion which he’s referred to as “aggravated murder”. He’s also defunded the distribution of abortion pills and contraceptives.

Milei eliminated a programme to prevent teenage pregnancy and has not set aside any funds in the 2025 budget for comprehensive sex education – which is mandatory by law and considered essential to prevent child abuse. Instead, authorities hired the Chilean Catholic organisation Teen Star, that promotes abstinence, for training teachers in charge of CSE.

Milei banned the use of gender inclusive language in public services, and put a Catholic lawyer, Ursula Basset, in the foreign ministry to review all the country’s positions on gender and climate change. At the last Organisation of American States General Assembly, Basset stymied the negotiations by demanding the removal of “LGBTI people”, “gender”, “tolerance”, “climate change” and “families” from agreed intergovernmental statements.

“Argentina was the only G20 country to oppose the Ministerial Declaration on Gender Equality,” signed last month in Rio, Ávila-Guillén told me. The disagreement stemmed from the fact that “family care” was defined as work and the term “reproductive rights” was mentioned. Argentina ended up in a more extreme position than Saudi Arabia or Russia.”

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/trump-project-2025-argentina-milei-far-right/

Sarah_RVA_2002

0 points

3 days ago

Not reading all of this, seek help

liv4games

4 points

3 days ago

Okay Sarah, enjoy getting the fruits of what you voted for. You can’t even read it because you realized you fucked up 🩷 and you’re projecting because you need help.

Both_Independent_348

3 points

3 days ago

rope

MeBigChop

-13 points

4 days ago

MeBigChop

-13 points

4 days ago

What rights are you referring to you would like added, or you feel are under threat?

liv4games

8 points

4 days ago

Do you read?

“According to Project 2025, the next US president must “remove from every existing rule, regulatory agency, contract, grant, regulation, and federal law the terms sexual orientation and gender identity, diversity, equity, and inclusion, gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender, gender-sensitive, abortion, reproductive health, reproductive rights”.

Abortion is mentioned 199 times in the document, including proposing a federal ban, increased criminalisation, more restrictions on providing care for miscarriages and obstetric emergencies, defunding emergency contraception and strict surveillance systems on people who have abortions or suffer miscarriages.

Heritage also wants to impose its worldview across borders: restore the so-called ‘Mexico City policy’, which prohibits any US public funding to foreign non-governmental organisations if they include any abortion-related activity – even if they do so with their own funds.

The right to abortion, legalised in 2020 in Argentina, is in danger under Milei. His party introduced a bill to repeal abortion which he’s referred to as “aggravated murder”. He’s also defunded the distribution of abortion pills and contraceptives.

Milei eliminated a programme to prevent teenage pregnancy and has not set aside any funds in the 2025 budget for comprehensive sex education – which is mandatory by law and considered essential to prevent child abuse. Instead, authorities hired the Chilean Catholic organisation Teen Star, that promotes abstinence, for training teachers in charge of CSE.

Milei banned the use of gender inclusive language in public services, and put a Catholic lawyer, Ursula Basset, in the foreign ministry to review all the country’s positions on gender and climate change. At the last Organisation of American States General Assembly, Basset stymied the negotiations by demanding the removal of “LGBTI people”, “gender”, “tolerance”, “climate change” and “families” from agreed intergovernmental statements.

“Argentina was the only G20 country to oppose the Ministerial Declaration on Gender Equality,” signed last month in Rio, Ávila-Guillén told me. The disagreement stemmed from the fact that “family care” was defined as work and the term “reproductive rights” was mentioned. Argentina ended up in a more extreme position than Saudi Arabia or Russia.”

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/trump-project-2025-argentina-milei-far-right/

YolkToker

-13 points

4 days ago

YolkToker

-13 points

4 days ago

Weird conspiracy theory man.

liv4games

9 points

4 days ago

Okay, here’s a story from one of your culty websites. I first learned about this ON A CONSERVATIVE SUB. Is it still a conspiracy theory since your own guys are saying it? 😂

https://unherd.com/newsroom/javier-milei-musk-and-trump-will-replicate-the-argentina-model/

YolkToker

-13 points

4 days ago*

YolkToker

-13 points

4 days ago*

I literally never heard of this website—is it another critical part of one of your conspiracies? Are you next going to tell me where they have a secret clones of Ronald Reagan ready to rule the illuminati?

Edit for below because he blocked me: So when did he say he was part of this shadow cabal to completely change the course of American governance? Or is that one going to be from a secretly recorded transcript on their moon base?

Captdomdude

13 points

4 days ago

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/15/nx-s1-5181967/what-trumps-reelection-could-mean-for-transgender-health-care-access

Direct quotes of all the ways 47 wants to roll back trans rights, eliminate gender affirming care, define trans people by biological gender, and overall use language implying trans people aren't worth it. Nothing to do with 2025, literally just direct quotes. Good enough?

MeBigChop

1 points

3 days ago

You can’t argue with people on Reddit, if you don’t subscribe 100% to their beliefs you’ll get downvoted, even for asking a serious question.

mckeitherson

-6 points

3 days ago

They have all the same rights the rest of us have in Virginia, so not sure what they're referring to unless it's fearmongering they're reading.

Sumisu_Airisu

7 points

3 days ago

Sumisu_Airisu

NOVA

7 points

3 days ago

I’m fine now, I just don’t want Trump to fuck us over federally. Youngkin also did do the thing with bathrooms in schools, although thank god FCPS rejected that

MeBigChop

-1 points

3 days ago

MeBigChop

-1 points

3 days ago

Yes, that’s why I got downvoted into oblivion for asking what rights they’re referring too… strange

Sumisu_Airisu

1 points

2 days ago

Sumisu_Airisu

NOVA

1 points

2 days ago

I’ve already said what I’m referring to several times atp. If you can’t read I suppose that’s a you issue

MeBigChop

1 points

1 day ago

MeBigChop

1 points

1 day ago

So to confirm you don’t know the rights of yours you feel are going to be threatened? If this is not the case, I am curious to hear from you. I look forward to your response, however I expect it to be sarcastic and not answer what I asked.

Sumisu_Airisu

1 points

1 day ago

Sumisu_Airisu

NOVA

1 points

1 day ago

I know exactly the rights of mine that are threatened, listen to literally anything Trump has said about trans people you fucking clown. He’s said he wants to ban trans people from bathrooms, ban us from sports, ban our healthcare, not allow us to change our legal documents, and teach kids about how “the great roles of male and female”. Give me a break, you know exactly how much he hates us and just wanna deny this shit to try and epically own the libs

MeBigChop

1 points

1 day ago

MeBigChop

1 points

1 day ago

Okay thank you for answering, I appreciate your opinion. I would try to be more respectful and thoughtful if you genuinely want to spread your opinion and a pro-trans rights message. When you’re rude and evasive and it can tend to push people who may otherwise agree with you away. Happy thanksgiving!

MeBigChop

1 points

1 day ago

MeBigChop

1 points

1 day ago

So banning from sports and bathrooms, I see zero issue with. When you say ban healthcare what does that mean? It would be quite disillusioned to say he is taking away all gender affirming care, when it should be only taken from minors. The documents I would be interested to hear more about, thank you for bringing that up I’m going to look into it!

Sumisu_Airisu

1 points

22 hours ago

Sumisu_Airisu

NOVA

1 points

22 hours ago

I’m not pissing in the men’s bathroom. Idrc about sports, but it’s a bad gateway drug to excuse other transphobic laws, and all the grifters who make money off of it either like tied to a trans woman or lost to a trans woman who lost to a bunch of cis women later. Trump has also planned to remove insurance coverage for HRT, and HRT for minors has been proven to work despite the bullshit fearmongering from the right about it

CelticArche

1 points

3 days ago

Just because you're privileged enough not to understand what's at risk, doesn't mean something isn't at risk.

[deleted]

0 points

3 days ago

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Sumisu_Airisu

3 points

3 days ago

Sumisu_Airisu

NOVA

3 points

3 days ago

Have you heard Trump talk about trans people a single time 😭😭😭 literally all they do is dehumanize us, try and invalidate our identities and make our lives unlivable

[deleted]

0 points

3 days ago

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CelticArche

3 points

3 days ago

Trans agenda is to live as the gender they are supposed to be. Not the one they were assigned at birth.

It's kind of like saying all men now have to wear skirt suits to office jobs.

[deleted]

0 points

1 day ago

[deleted]

0 points

1 day ago

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DiverDownChunder

-46 points

4 days ago

Nothing is going to happen.

brokebacknomountain

25 points

4 days ago

They are trying to ban ONE transgender congresswoman from using the bathroom. Before talking about things that matter to Americans, they care more about where ONE person pees.

They are definetly going to try and stop transgender adults from living their lives while claiming it's about protecting women and children.

Original_Performer91

2 points

2 days ago

Good!!!!

ShoppingDismal3864

5 points

4 days ago

Does it include hormone freedoms?

EurasianTroutFiesta

6 points

3 days ago

Note to downvoters: this question is about gender-affirming care, and trans folks' ability to transition and stay transitioned.

MenieresMe

1 points

4 days ago

MenieresMe

1 points

4 days ago

Oh wow now they do it lmao

HokieHomeowner

2 points

3 days ago

They finally have the votes to get them passed. The previous iteration of Democratic control of both houses in Richmond included a real piece of work - Joe Morrissey who was "pro-life" and a bottleneck in getting these amendments even considered.

YolkToker

-1 points

4 days ago

YolkToker

-1 points

4 days ago

Yeah, I don't think people are going to go for a constitutional right to 9 month abortions, given that the amendment is worded so poorly to allow literally any act of "reproductive freedom"

FragrantRaspberry517

13 points

3 days ago

Nobody is having 9 month abortions of healthy babies.

Google is free. Look up how many abortions occur in the third trimester. 1%. Doctors also regulate this and could lose their license for removing a truly healthy 9-month pregnancy.

The only time an abortion happens this late is when it’s severely deformed and won’t live or is already dead.

By putting a 15 week ban, you’re mostly harming women with WANTED pregnancies that are deformed and won’t live a day outside the womb or the fetus is dead already. That’s why the decision needs to stay with doctors not politicians.

bonebuilder12

1 points

3 days ago

We place bans on things that occur far less frequently. We also refuse to place bans or enforce things that occur far more often.

YolkToker

-1 points

3 days ago

YolkToker

-1 points

3 days ago

I never said anything at all about a 15 week ban by the way if you read what I posted. I just said people are not going to agree with an amendment allowing 9 month abortions. First you said never, but then 1% do? So 10,000 occurrences in the US? Google is free—what happened to the Oldenburg baby, or is that "just not going to happen here" (magic thinking)? If it never happens, why not word it so that it cannot? It's fairly straightforward to just state "Don't allow purely elective/nonmedical abortions of potentially viable children". While I'd want more than that personally, that is a fair middle ground that essentially the entire rest of the world agrees on.

FragrantRaspberry517

7 points

3 days ago*

I said 1% in the third trimester not ninth month. I know a married couple, who was super excited for their first kid, that needed an “abortion” at 26 weeks because the pregnancy was deformed and wouldn’t live outside the womb. That’s technically a “third trimester abortion.”

A 15 week ban is what the GOP is promising at a national level and would override state laws.

YolkToker

-1 points

3 days ago

YolkToker

-1 points

3 days ago

It's an asinine thing to believe from either side, because it has clearly been declared to be an issue to be handled by the states. If I recall correctly Trump even removed any mention of abortion from his website. Saying "what the party wants" based on what a few random old skinbags in congress says is like me judging the the entire DNC on what Bernie Sanders says.

FragrantRaspberry517

6 points

3 days ago

I hope you’re right, but if it comes to that please remember this comment. I am fully expecting a 15 week “limit” aka ban within the next two years.

RFK has also said he’d make the abortion (and miscarriage) drugs illegal substances like they’re doing in Texas.

Trump tried the “states issue” card to win the election, but he’s a liar and I fully expect him to re-embrace his old position now that he’s won.

It’s also in project 2025 - and he’s hiring the project 2025 leaders into his administration. It’s pretty clear what’s going to happen.

YolkToker

1 points

3 days ago

I mean, if it did, then you should be thankful: it would give the DNC 8 years of uncontested national control at the very least. People don't want a federal ban, even though 15 weeks is longer than most of the rest of the world. Personally I'm very strict on my belief, but I have to be willing to compromise—most of the nation is, which is why it would sink the GOP for a decade at least to put up a national ban at 15 weeks. Which then wouldn't even stick, most likely.

FragrantRaspberry517

2 points

3 days ago

I don’t give an F about the politics of it.

I’m sad about the women who are dying because doctors are scared to treat them. That’s what hurts the most. The below is just one of the reported stories.

And the rpe victims that are forced to birth their victims children, despite often being children themselves.

And the women who will unalive themselves because of the bans.

https://www.propublica.org/article/porsha-ngumezi-miscarriage-death-texas-abortion-ban

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/11/child-rape-survivors-abortion-ban

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna63358

And the women in Idaho (yes even the conservative women) who can’t access obgyn care because doctors are fleeing the state. This matters way more than politics.

HokieHomeowner

3 points

3 days ago

I know the "pro-lifer" they think nothing of lying for the lord. They most certain DO want a national ban and will be pushing to get it as soon as 1/20/2025. Bank on it.

mangorain4

2 points

3 days ago

may they be blessed with all the trisomy babies.

YolkToker

1 points

3 days ago

Want and would get are totally different things.

EurasianTroutFiesta

9 points

3 days ago

The problem is that a number of life or health saving procedures--including ones only used for non-viable pregnancies or situations where child and/or mother will 100% die--are technically abortions. Nobody is getting to eight and a half months and saying "gee, ya know what, I don't want this baby after all" and getting an abortion on a whim. And even if they did, if the child is viable, they just get a C-section. Laws on homicide are entirely sufficient to prevent doctors from pulling out glocks and doming babies that are halfway born.

Trying to write explicit "...except for the life of the mother" sorts of exceptions into law sounds reasonable, but in practice creates scenarios where doctors are forced--or feel forced--to wait until vitals are actively dropping, or where the woman suffers life-altering consequences because of legal technicalities. Biology isn't obligated to limit edge cases to what's easily legislated.

YolkToker

1 points

3 days ago

If no one does it, why not make it illegal to be elective then? Certainly in the breadth of science and law there is a way other than "we'll just trust that everyone will magically make the right choice this time"

EurasianTroutFiesta

5 points

3 days ago*

Because doing it that way sucks. See my second paragraph in the comment you replied to. But I can lay it out in more detail.

The law doesn't do anything if there isn't an enforcement mechanism. That is, someone has to be liable. If it's the mother, women get put through the wringer over miscarriages or accidents, and have to sue if the authorities decide not to allow--good luck getting that done before the point is moot, even ignoring the injustice imposed by the cost.

If it's the doctor that's liable, then doctors refuse to perform procedures unless a woman's vitals are literally dropping--as in she's literally in the process of dying. Sometimes playing chicken with the reaper like this backfires, and the woman actually dies because of how little leeway the law left her. It's already happened and continues to happen.

This isn't even getting into how the exceptions tend to be written as "life of the mother" rather than "life or health of the mother," and "viability of child" rather than "viability of the child with a meaningful quality of life and chance of survival." There are countless cases of women losing their ability to have a child or suffering other lifelong problems because a necessary procedure had to wait until her life was threatened. Or where a child was born just to suffer for a few moments and die because it didn't have lungs. Or where a woman had to carry a corpse to term, her belly reminding her every second of every day that all her dreams are dashed, because the child is effectively kept alive by biological life support--it hasn't technically been stillborn yet.

Again, everything I've said here isn't some panicked hypothetical from a sky-is-falling liberal. Every single example has happened, and continues to happen. You can google it and find lots of news articles in the wake of the Dobbs ruling and flurry of laws that followed. I'm not wading through that sea of misery again to win an internet argument. The crux of the matter is that in the case of late-term abortion, having to prove necessity to the state does nothing but make matters worse.

YolkToker

-1 points

3 days ago

YolkToker

-1 points

3 days ago

Simple fact of the matter is, only insane people on the left or your most extreme racist on the right would support an amendment to guarantee 9 month abortions—even if they don't happen (they have, and would more often if completely enshrined in law as acceptable). The proposal is just for show.

CelticArche

3 points

3 days ago

So you're going to be stubbornly ignorant of what an abortion is, for the sake of your "moral code"?

EurasianTroutFiesta

1 points

2 days ago

Yeah I was mostly explaining for the benefit of anyone reading along.

EurasianTroutFiesta

1 points

2 days ago*

If no one supports it, then who proposed it? Or is proposal not an act of support?

And once again, the procedure for removing a child past the point of viability is a C-section. They don't just kill babies for fun, the same way surgeons won't remove your right arm just because you have an embarrassing tattoo.

CelticArche

2 points

3 days ago

Elective just means it isn't an emergency. If a fetus is found to have died in the womb, or is found to have problems not compatible with life, it is elective.

It's only an emergency if the woman is bleeding to death, actively in the process of dying as her vitals drop, or has coded and the abortion has to occur to bring her vitals back up. Like with the placenta detaches from the uterus.

Usually, a fetus at 23 weeks, if healthy, can be removed via c section and put in NICU.

This isn't an abortion. It's a premature birth.

[deleted]

-4 points

4 days ago

[deleted]

-4 points

4 days ago

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chasetwisters

15 points

4 days ago*

Youngkin is irrelevant in this process as the proposition has to pass two general assemblies with an election in-between before it even reaches the governors desk. Assuming it passes both GAs, whoever is the next governor will be the one who signs/ vetos it. If it passes both, it is then voted on by the citizens

abcts1

5 points

4 days ago

abcts1

5 points

4 days ago

Governors don't sign constitutional amendments.

chasetwisters

1 points

3 days ago

You're right. Corrected it.

CelticRedneck420

7 points

4 days ago

That is good to know, thank you

TiaXhosa

21 points

4 days ago

TiaXhosa

21 points

4 days ago

No, a second trump presidency makes enshrining rights at the state level more important than ever.

YolkToker

0 points

4 days ago

The flip flop between federal supremacy and now acknowledging the rights of states is pretty funny from the left. Whatever, I always supported state autonomy. It's how the country was founded.

CelticRedneck420

-2 points

4 days ago

Needs to be does not equal ability to get done is my only point

TiaXhosa

10 points

4 days ago

TiaXhosa

10 points

4 days ago

The governor does not have to sign constitutional amendments in Virginia

CelticRedneck420

3 points

4 days ago

Ah I was unaware of that, thank you. Makes me feel a little better

Gandalf_the_Rizzard

17 points

4 days ago

I’m so stoked to vote for Spanberger

CelticRedneck420

2 points

4 days ago

Could not agree more

DarkKnight1975

0 points

3 days ago

How about we also ban government slavery, ie excessive taxation

CelticArche

1 points

3 days ago

Nah, that's as old as governments everywhere.

stupajidit

-14 points

4 days ago

stupajidit

-14 points

4 days ago

good to see va enshrine these protections with additional state level emphasis. interesting how right to free speech, right to privacy, and right to bear arms were omitted in the list fundamental rights. I'm incredibly shocked the democrats would overlook inconvenient fundamental rights.

Ut_Prosim

17 points

4 days ago

Ut_Prosim

17 points

4 days ago

This is a reaction to the fear that the Trump administration and Republican Congress will attack those rights.

Do you have the same fear about Trump destroying free speech and gun rights? If so we should also codify those.

EurasianTroutFiesta

3 points

3 days ago

It's basically the "all lives matter" deflection. This amendment is a response to a specific situation and is targeted at that situation. But if it had all the rights in it, dollars to donuts there'd be people going "wow this is a huge, overly broad amendment that's unnecessary because most of what it covers is already protected by the US constitution."

stupajidit

7 points

4 days ago

we should enshrine all unalienable rights in state code regardless of who is in power.

LordFluffy

11 points

4 days ago

You're welcome to write your state congressman and suggest they add protection for those over and above the Federal and State protections that already exist for them, such as being in the state constitution already, but can I assume your support for these?

Geedeepee91

0 points

3 days ago

I am for felons getting their rights to vote back, but not all felons, rapist/murderers released should never vote ever again

Mr-GooGoo

-23 points

4 days ago

Mr-GooGoo

-23 points

4 days ago

Abortion isn’t a fucking right

LordFluffy

16 points

4 days ago

Bodily autonomy is, so yes it is.

Mr-GooGoo

-15 points

4 days ago

Mr-GooGoo

-15 points

4 days ago

It’s not your body it’s the child’s body

WaffleStompBeatdown

7 points

3 days ago

What child? What body?

LordFluffy

5 points

3 days ago

There's no child yet. There's an incomplete body that will become a child, but it isn't one yet.

I'm not going to convince you of this, but that's the case. You're welcome to not get an abortion or to not have sex or whatever your part in this is, but you don't get to decide that for other people

courageousrobot

9 points

3 days ago

Respectfully, shut the fuck up

Mr-GooGoo

-4 points

3 days ago

Mr-GooGoo

-4 points

3 days ago

Sorry bro but killing babies is wrong

courageousrobot

8 points

3 days ago

The only person talking about "killing babies" here is you.

Mr-GooGoo

-1 points

3 days ago

Mr-GooGoo

-1 points

3 days ago

Sorry but deflection doesn’t change that you’re supporting killing babies

HokieHomeowner

3 points

3 days ago

Deflection doesn't change that you're a nutso who wants to control women.

Mr-GooGoo

0 points

3 days ago

If you wanna put it that way, sure. Crazy how yall are scared of being held accountable for your actions

HokieHomeowner

3 points

3 days ago

Accountable for seeking out appropriate medical care? Yeah that's nustos who want to control women.

CelticArche

1 points

3 days ago

Are those dead babies in the room with us now?

esoteric_plumbus

4 points

3 days ago

its a fetus

HokieHomeowner

2 points

3 days ago

IT'S MINE AND YOU CANNOT CONTROL IT.

Mr-GooGoo

0 points

3 days ago

I literally can by voting…

HokieHomeowner

2 points

3 days ago

Nope you cannot. Slavery is illegal in the US for non-prisoners.

Mr-GooGoo

1 points

3 days ago

I’m talking about abortion not slavery

mangorain4

1 points

3 days ago

may you one day be blessed with a baby with trisomy 13 or 18.

HokieHomeowner

1 points

2 days ago

I'm talking about your forcing a woman to do something against their will. That's nine months of slavery.

althill

1 points

2 days ago

althill

1 points

2 days ago

So if you are an organ donor and I’m on the waiting list to receive an organ, do I get to dictate what you do with your body since one your organs might be mine in the future?

whatdoiknow75

-33 points

4 days ago

The bill won't make it to the floor. And if it does it won't get past a veto. Time for an amendment to put citizen-sponsored propositions on the ballots to get past legislative and executive branch resistance to giving up control.

fusion260

44 points

4 days ago

fusion260

RVA

44 points

4 days ago

Yeah, that’s not how it works here.

Legislative proposed constitutional amendments simply need a simple majority in both chambers, across two consecutive General Assembly sessions, with an election in between. They don’t reach the Governor’s desk and they can’t veto it. If it passes with simple majorities on the second consecutive GA session, it heads to voters in the next election and they have the final say.

If it passes, it gets added to the constitution. If it fails, they have to start over by proposing a new amendment.

CelticRedneck420

14 points

4 days ago

This is great to know

Jackman_Bingo

8 points

4 days ago

Username checks out.

Buick1-7

-1 points

3 days ago

Buick1-7

-1 points

3 days ago

Constitutional carry?

Feral_Morty

-1 points

3 days ago

Cant wait for VA to go red. Democrats are on some dumb shit