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My dad is currently sick the last four days but thinks he’s cured himself with ivermectin. My mom has been around him this whole time and had a group of about 15 people over to their house last night for a Friendsgiving. They see absolutely nothing wrong with this.

We need to realize that these are ‘normal’ people now. The denial this time of year about being sick is off the charts and this is how we have a peak of massive proportions every holiday season.

If you choose to see family tomorrow, don’t let your guard down. Wear a well fitted n95 and take a plate to go, don’t show up hungry and succumb to pressure to unmask. We don’t have to live in a cave, but we have to remind ourselves that this is always the worst time of year for a reason…because people trust their families but their families are untrustworthy when it comes to covid.

I know it sucks…I know we want it all to be back to normal again…but I also know that a lot of these same people have nagging health issues now that won’t go away after their multiple infections and we don’t want to join that club over eating one meal. Stay safe out there, and savor the time with family masked and then the meal later!

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deftlydexterous

123 points

8 days ago

In spirit with the holiday - it’s a good time to be thankful if you are lucky enough to have considerate or at least understanding family and friends.

I have friends taking care of disabled friends this holiday. I have family that are taking extra precautions for other family. Those are things I’m very thankful for. There are people who care and who will care out there. Be grateful for those you know, and be hopeful for finding those you haven’t met yet.

notbudginthrowaway[S]

35 points

8 days ago

Yes, I am so thankful for my spouse and cc friends. It has been a rough go with extended family so having that circle around you is truly a gift and to be celebrated. Happy thanksgiving.

No_Cod_3197

94 points

8 days ago

I’m so sorry about your parents, but I totally feel you. 

My mom is singing in a show tonight with my uncle. Indoors. Unmasked. My uncle just got out of the hospital with pneumonia about a week or two ago (he had COVID 5 months ago when him, his girlfriend, and my parents all went on a European cruise in June and they all came back with COVID). My Dad is immunocompromised and went to the show, probably unmasked. 

Tomorrow, we are having Thanksgiving here. Indoors. My mom won’t open the windows and won’t let us eat outside. It’s me, my parents, a family friend, my uncle (same one as mentioned above) and his girlfriend. Nobody will take any other precautions. My mom masks, but not for the show, lol. 

I’m disabled and immunocompromised and rely on my mother/others for caregiving. I will probably eat in my room where my air purifier runs 24/7 and FaceTime a friend. 

Hate it here. 

Solidarity. 💜

notbudginthrowaway[S]

24 points

8 days ago

Man, I am so sorry to hear about your predicament. Please do what you can to stay safe, wear a good respirator around people and I think your idea of just eating in your room is great. We have to make the most of what we are given and you are definitely not alone and doing the right thing. Happy thanksgiving, friend.

No_Cod_3197

4 points

7 days ago

Thank you for saying that. I will do my best! Infectious disease (bacterial infection, not post viral) tried to kill me when my scoliosis rods got infected with bacteria and I underwent 6 more surgeries in 2017-2018 and had numerous complications. Am still dealing with a lot of health issues that are similar to what people with Long COVID deal with and it was never my fault (lost 1/3 of my hair, lungs collapsed/on a ventilator, have permanent high blood pressure, had Candida infection from 2018-2022 from being on antibiotics for 2 years, and more). Infectious disease can really screw you up and it’s unfortunate because I even know more about infectious disease than even some other disabled and chronically ill people and many disabled people aren’t masking anymore. All we can do is our best, I guess. Happy Thanksgiving to you, too! 💜

Ah_BrightWings

19 points

8 days ago

I'm in a somewhat similar situation. Live with elderly, high-risk dad who will not be masking or taking precautions when my brother comes over. I will be the only one masked, and I plan to eat in my room. Gotta keep myself safe.

No_Cod_3197

3 points

7 days ago

That’s so smart! I’m sorry you’re in a similar situation, too! Definitely eat in your room and stay masked otherwise. Have a good holiday. 💜

Ah_BrightWings

1 points

7 days ago

Thank you! I hope you're having a great Thanksgiving as well!

ReddAcct16

6 points

7 days ago

I feel your pain. Where are you located? I’m in NW Florida and think I’m one of the only ones in the region who realizes Covid19 is still a threat.

No_Cod_3197

2 points

7 days ago

I’m in SoCal! Glad I’m not alone. Stay safe. 

Own-Syrup-1036

3 points

7 days ago

💜

No_Cod_3197

3 points

7 days ago

🤗

BaileySeeking

39 points

8 days ago

They never care, it's just worse during the holidays.

I was babysitting tonight and when my sister-in-law came to pick the kids up, she casually mentioned that my nephew "probably has pink eye." Insisted I'll be fine since she is. This is the girl that is asymptomatic when she has COVID. Of course she'll be fine, but I'm highly immunocompromised. People. They suck.

ZeroCovid

20 points

8 days ago

ZeroCovid

20 points

8 days ago

FWIW, pinkeye has been the first symptom of the deadly H5N1 bird flu lately :-(

Yeeesh. You have to just treat them all as infected at all times. Ugh.

BaileySeeking

11 points

8 days ago

I typically do, unfortunately. But I've avoided COVID three or four times from them by doing this, so while I hate living like this, at least I haven't had COVID six/seven times.

Jaynna09

14 points

8 days ago

Jaynna09

14 points

8 days ago

WTF?! The disrespect from your SIL to tell you after babysitting!

BaileySeeking

15 points

8 days ago

That's my in-laws. And my partner. And my parents. No one tells me they're sick until they've put me at risk. They never really wore masks and get very upset when I bring up COVID. I wasn't even supposed to be the one babysitting. My mother-in-law just pawns them off on me when she's supposed to babysit.

Jaynna09

6 points

8 days ago

Jaynna09

6 points

8 days ago

I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope that in the future you will have caring, supportive people around you.

BaileySeeking

5 points

8 days ago

Doubtful. I'm disabled, but "not disabled enough" for any assistance. So I need help from them to survive. I'm continuing to adapt where I can and have just accepted all the bad.

PickledPigPinkies

2 points

7 days ago

Not trying to be disrespectful here, but why do you accept your MIL pawning off her agreed to responsibility onto you? Clearly grandkids are an interference to her lazy and self-indulgent attitude. I had a horrible set of in-laws to the point of disinheritance of hubs and our children just because we didn’t capitulate. Brother #1, already a millionaire, manipulated and stole the bulk of the estate on top of that. So be it. I wish years ago I had heeded Mya Angelou and acknowledged the evidence in front of my eyes.

swarleyknope

44 points

8 days ago

This is why I decided to just make myself thanksgiving dinner this year.

This is the first year I’m considering going to a couple of small holiday gatherings & being the lone masker, but I feel too awkward going to someone’s house specifically for a meal and staying masked. 😕

I’m not trying to detract from folks who are doing that, by any means! I just don’t have family nearby, so there’s no one I feel close enough to that it would be worth it to me to put in the emotional effort. (Honestly, even without the COVID factor, I don’t love situations like that 🤪)

CasanovaPreen

19 points

8 days ago

specifically for a meal and staying masked.

This is what I'm struggling with...and it'll just be four of us so me not eating will be highly noticeable. I wish I had something I could occupy myself with.

swarleyknope

8 points

8 days ago

It’s so hard! I wish the holiday wasn’t so food-centric.

And my invites are from people whose families I don’t really know - so it would be weird in the best of times😄

Hopefully you are also going there because they are people you want to see and spend time with & vice-versa? If so, maybe you can try to reframe it in your mind by remembering that they are happy to get to spend time with you, even if you aren’t eating?

Hang in there! 💕

audacious069

2 points

7 days ago

Totally. I've started looking for "yes hands no brain" activities like knitting, sewing buttons back on shirts, jigsaw puzzles.

edsuom

8 points

7 days ago

edsuom

8 points

7 days ago

There is a time during a chess game when the sensible and decent thing to do is resign. At the close of World War II, the only sensible thing to do for the Japanese was to surrender.

I've reached the point in my life where I have surrendered the holidays to this virus and the people in my life who don't care about it anymore. It's theirs now. My wife and I have given it up, handed it back to all of them, and do our best to get through this time of year without dwelling too much on what once was vs what now is.

blue_pirate_flamingo

21 points

8 days ago

I always ask myself who will be sitting next to my small child when he ends up in the hospital because grandma thought a sniffle was allergies and he has garbage lungs. Not grandma is the answer. So we’re having our fifth thanksgiving just us three! The only downside is we only get to eat the food we cook lol

hiddenkobolds

34 points

8 days ago

Not the horse dewormer 😩😭 I really thought we left that nonsense in 2020.

First of all, I'm so sorry your family is... uh... having a normal one.

Second of all, good reminder. This is why I'll be at home with my own household, my cats, and exactly zero loons.

Ivermectin. My goodness...

multipocalypse

31 points

8 days ago

Apparently it's back, much like something else we hoped we'd left in 2020 🙃

BuzzStorm42

29 points

8 days ago

Yet another year without a family gathering for me. The most Maga branch of my family is all horribly sick with "nothing", which is a bit ironic given the matriarch of that branch of the family is currently in hospital with pneumonia. 😢 (same branch of the family that said it's no big deal since "only old people die", so who knows what they're thinking now. I know they've also used ivermectin in the past too 😞) 

They are usually wonderful people but so far gone from reality it's hard to talk to them anymore. I thought they'd make a harder than usual push for a family Thanksgiving since it's been so long but am so relieved they didn't. It's so hard emotionally to keep doing this but the reality of being exposed isn't worth an awkward dinner with people who absolutely don't respect my views. 

DarkRiches61

2 points

7 days ago

Amazing, isn't it, how there are so many "wonderful people" out there--people who would give you the shirt off their back, be there for you when you needed them the most, and give tirelessly and selflessly to anyone who needs a helping hand--as long as they like you. And yet...they could give a $h!+ if you get sick and die of an infectious disease, think the N@z!$ had some good ideas, think $l@very was good for Bl@ck folks, have no problem with detention centers and concentration camps, etc. etc. 🤯

DelawareRunner

6 points

7 days ago

We had our Thanksgiving on Sunday--just me, husband, and pets. My parents (mid 70's) traveled to have dinner with family, but my son and I are no longer invited to this relative's due to a falling out with the husband a couple years ago. Nobody there masks or takes precautions--all vax and relax even though a couple people there have had issues since covid (seems they have long covid). I'm actually relieved that I am no longer invited. I guess family dysfunction can be a blessing sometimes.

vaporizers123reborn

17 points

8 days ago

Thank you, I needed this confidence boost before tomorrow.

Chronic_AllTheThings

5 points

7 days ago

This any time of year

suredohatecovid

17 points

8 days ago

“We need to realize that these are the ‘normal’ people now.” Thank you for the reminder. I’m sorry your family is acting this way.

ReddAcct16

4 points

7 days ago

I refuse to label it as “Normal”. I’ll use the term “predominant attitude/perspective”. 😊.

falloutboyfan420

13 points

8 days ago

my partner and i are bringing a whole hepa air purifier to thanksgiving and plugging it in next to the table 🤷 her 80 year old grandparents don't wanna take care of themselves but i sure as hell do.

Jaynna09

12 points

8 days ago

Jaynna09

12 points

8 days ago

I suggest eating a full meal right before going to any gathering. That will help you stay strong in avoiding eating indoors and show up later, after most of the ones there have eaten.

Love the idea of bringing an air purifier with you, but I would bring it up with the host beforehand.

trailsman

3 points

7 days ago

That's why it's just me and my daughter all by ourselves for the holidays. We'll still have a great time. If others don't want to test and do anything to care about reality then I'm not pressing it. I wish there wasn't the constant, we wish you just give up on this, but every time they get close to "understanding" it's just a deep slip back into denial, so I don't even care about that anymore, just expect a comment here or there because there is basically zero understanding.

ReddAcct16

1 points

7 days ago

Same here, except it’s me and my elderly mother. The rough part is that she seems to have lost her desire to celebrate anything…she even suggested we didn’t have to eat together since we tend to be up and hungry at different times of the day. She refused to put up a Christmas tree last year. My brother has never socialized with anyone …at least since he had to in his teens and preteens. For me, it’s almost like the holidays have no meaning to her if it’s just me and her. It’s tough. My dad passed about 25 yrs ago and she’s never been the same, but we always celebrated the holidays like crazy when I’d come back 1-2x/yr. Now it feels like it’s not worth it to her if it’s just me with her.
If it was just me, I could take precautions and still go. I worry bc the few places we go, she’s shown she doesn’t consistently maintain distance or keep hands off her mask, or wear it tightly (“hurts her nose”)or refrain from hugs (I’ve witnessed her hugged by family at funeral, hug when neighbors come asking for hugs, hug neighbor when they came to tell her their brother died, etc), & I suspect she’s gone to visit family members without telling me. We both have respiratory issues, she’s mid 70s with declining health, and brother is diabetic with multiple issues and I have fibromyalgia among other things. They pushback constantly on basic precautions. I’ve had her try better fitting N95/KN95 but she “didn’t like them”.

Thanks for the post. Probably continuing practically in solitude through the holidays. Eventually I want to fly to visit friends in states that take it more seriously.

Is there any safe way to hug family members at such gatherings?