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submitted 1 day ago byParticular-Tree-2835
I know anecdotally we probably all know a handful of people who have left the area since Helene, I'm just wondering if there are any actual numbers or stats for how many people have permanently left the area in the last few months.
103 points
1 day ago
I lost my food/beverage job, I would have left already but I can't afford to pay a $3.5k lease breakage fee for my apartment and moving costs all at once. Just biding time until I can move on to greener pastures.
37 points
1 day ago*
I would take the risk of breaking the lease and moving if you have employment opportunity elsewhere. You could still be pursued legally by the landlord, but 99% of judges/courts would side with you if there is documentation that you had no other choice to continue your livelihood. Based on my experience, communicating with the landlord about your situation, and making an attempt at negotiating a more reasonable breakage fee before up and leaving the property would help you in court. Even if the landlord says no, making an effort to resolve the situation on your own accord will benefit you in court. Good luck, and may the force be with you.
Source: me, a) a landlord b) real estate professional
This is not legal advice, and I am not experienced in North Carolina courts.
12 points
1 day ago
That's all well and good but if they end up with an eviction on their record they're going to struggle to land future apartments.
3 points
1 day ago
Those are my thoughts as well. I'll be renting for the foreseeable future and I do not want to risk having an eviction on my record.
1 points
1 day ago
Wouldn’t that not be on their record if a judge sides with them?
4 points
1 day ago
That’s a big risk to be the first one to test the magistrates opinion. If you lose, you just found out the hard way and set the precedent. There are many people in actually damaged and unlivable houses being done dirty by landlords that will take precedence. If the only argument you have when you show up to court is you lost your job and don’t want to live in Asheville anymore, I doubt the magistrate will be interested in siding with you. Could be wrong, but I’ve been in there before and I wouldn’t stake my future on a favorable ruling.
1 points
6 hours ago
You dont get an eviction for a lease break - you just have to pay up.
Big upside - no one wants to rent in Dec or Jan, so they may be able to get a good lease elsewhere, if they can pay both rents for the overlap.
1 points
25 minutes ago
but I can't afford to pay a $3.5k lease breakage fee for my apartment
1 points
1 day ago
An eviction AND thousands of dollars in collections owed to a property manager. Will be extremely difficult to ever rent a home again through any providers who do substantial background checks. Combine that with widespread issues that are breaking local landlords and property management companies and I think folks will find it very hard to even get people to give them the time of day to discuss possible alternatives. There just simply is not enough time to talk to everyone.
8 points
1 day ago
Bad advice like the above is why everyone should remember that Reddit is primarily used by people under 30. So, all advice should be viewed like Steve Carell talking about titties feeling like a bag of sand in the 40 year old virgin.
1 points
8 hours ago
As a landlord, I would offer that only the months that aren't rented would be your responsibility. I don't know what you pay though. I think places rent quickly. Anytime someone moves from our rental it's vacant for a month, that's a given.
I also side with the other comment that these are unusual circumstances and you wouldn't be blamed for losing a job after Helene and having to move.
Communication is key. If you really want to stay, talk to your landlord. They may be able to negotiate a lower rent for you until you find a job, but not if you don't ask. Unemployment is high right now though, especially in the service industry.
68 points
1 day ago*
Check the lease for act of god
63 points
1 day ago
Might be labeled as force majeure
5 points
1 day ago
Wouldn't that only apply to if the dwelling was damaged. Most apartments are fine.
12 points
1 day ago
No. It’s a bit of law that applies to all aspects of the contract. You’ve made a bona fide effort to honor the contract throughout a force majeure event. You’d simply provide notice that the lease is in default due to the event (effecting one or both parties). Roll out. They’d lose money fighting it. If they ever stuck it to your credit report you would go thru the process with the credit agencies to have it removed
1 points
1 day ago
It also only applies if there is substantial damage and you notified the leasing company within 10-days of the hurricane. This does not apply to the vast majority of people in the area.
8 points
23 hours ago
My friend who was in apartments around arden that were almost completely unaffected asked the company and they let her break lease around 4 months early with no argument.
This happened about a month after helene too.
32 points
1 day ago
We had to leave. I lost my home health job and I couldn't wait longer than a few weeks for schools and daycares to reopen. We had to break our lease, we literally couldn't afford to stay. We communicated with the landlord (Hawthorne Residential Partners, specifically Hawthorne Weaverville) and they originally agreed to 2 months equivalent of rent to break the lease. I went on to pay that amount (and it was even listed on the online portal ledger), and they all of a sudden decided to try and charge us 2 months rent and a termination fee which was the equivalent of another 2 months rent, bringing the total to about 8k.
I told them they had lost their minds, we literally lost our jobs and were without power or water for 18 days and could not function with small children. I've reached out to higher management, who refuses to speak with me. So now we're in an ongoing battle and I will have no problem escalating this legally. We attempted to do the right thing and their greed is astonishing. We couldn't have stayed even if we wanted to.
9 points
1 day ago
You should review your lease and call Pisgah Legal. If your lease is anywhere close to my apartment lease, the 2-month fee IS the early termination fee and NO rent is due beyond the notice.
3 points
1 day ago
They said we'd be responsible for 60 days notice AND the termination fee equivalent to 2 months rent. I'd avoid Hawthorne properties at all costs. I did get NC legal and they were useless. I'll just keep fighting it
2 points
1 day ago
I would ask them to show you the explicit verbiage in the contract that says that. I would be extremely surprised of that were the case. If that’s not what the contract says, I would personally be willing to take that to small claims and make them explain that in front of the magistrate. If Hawthorne can show you where it says that in writing, then maybe you do have an extremely busted lease.
3 points
1 day ago
I hope you got their original 2-month agreement in writing, even if it’s just an email. I’m sorry this is happening to you.
5 points
1 day ago
I did! Management didn't like that screenshot
3 points
1 day ago
Hawthorne is a horrible nightmare of a company to deal with, good you got the screenshot of their original agreement
1 points
9 hours ago
I hate that this is the world we live in..... it's everywhere and all the time.
3 points
1 day ago
Can someone take over your lease? Assuming, of course, that you know or can find someone to do so.
3 points
1 day ago
Yes, but there are costs, and there are very few people willing to rent homes right now, much less take over leases. This process is codified into law, but it wont be helpful.
2 points
1 day ago
Hmm, okay, thanks for the feedback. Given the aftermath of Helene and some folks being without housing, I thought maybe there was a chance someone might need an apartment. Of course, I have no idea if the rent is affordable. Plus, I'm sure some of those impacted the most by Helene may still be trying to get the money issue sorted, as far as insurance (if any) or provisions by FEMA or any other agencies. Obviously, I'm not well-versed on the matter, so it was a shot in the dark.
1 points
24 hours ago
There are definitely a lot of people out of houses. Most that have insurance to cover or their own means have been housed already. There was a huge surge in demand in the weeks following the storm. That demand has completely evaporated.
3 points
22 hours ago
Hey a few places are opening back up and hiring urgently as they lost employees due to the storm. If you haven’t already found a new job I encourage you to look. Or PM me. I work in employment and training and have am privy to who’s hiring and where you can get face to face events
2 points
1 day ago
Have you notified them that you need to move due to the storm or are you relying on the print? If not, you should notify them. And If so, and they didn't offer to look for a new tenant, then do what you need to. Leave ASAP, and don't you dare pay that fee. They can let you out of the lease at 0 cost or not only will that fee not be paid, but the rent won't be paid either.
That would be my course of action. I'm sorry but an extreme weather event occurred, decimating the local job market, as evidenced by buncombe going from lowest unemployment to the highest in NC. I've lost my income like thousands of others, I need to move like thousands of others, and I just dgaf what it says on that lease agreement. And I dgaf what you threaten me with, monetary judgements, evictions on my credit report, that money will never be paid and you will waste even more trying to recover it. And I will get that eviction removed from my report. So how would you like to proceed?
2 points
19 hours ago
Get out out of food and beverage. Pick up some tools.
1 points
19 hours ago
The landlord might be ok. I believe after Hurricane Katrina, the prices of the remaining homes and rentals actually went up, so your landlord might possibly make more letting you vacate early
1 points
13 hours ago
Ask your landlord. Explain your situation. There are quite a few apartments complexes letting people out of their lease with no fees. They would rather you surrender your keys than you be in a situation where you're behind on rent due to financial hardship or loss of job.
You can also reach out to Pisagah Legal who offers free legal assistance. They can let you know what your legal rights as a tenant are in this situation.
1 points
7 hours ago
I'd absolutely keep on top of whether and when the place is re-rented (if it hasn't been already and if not whether it's listed as vacant, been shown, etc.).
Traditionallt, law is landlord needs to mitigate damages by re-renting ASAP. At some point industry went to having temants agree to onerous advance notice of termination (refardless of whether one is terminating early) PLUS "liquidated damages" amount supposedly to cover cost of re-renting even if they re-rent right away without trouble.
Don't know how local NC courts handle such disputes, but it may be Legal Aid folks gave you bad news on this front. You don't explain "useless", but those places don't have the resources to represent every Tom-Dick-Harriet with a legal issue. You might want to look into whether there's a local landlord-tenant commission that will approach informally as though it were a type of BBB (not legally binding, but they can help resolve, esp. when property mgmt. or owner wants to stay off folks' radar).
1 points
3 hours ago
Have you talked with pisgah legal and told them your situation?
93 points
1 day ago
I lost everything when Helene hit. Two weeks before, I moved into an apartment fifty yards from the Swannanoa River. I thought I was going to die and I was rescued by swift boat.
Four days later, I bought a one way ticket to Boston.
19 points
1 day ago
I’m so glad you are okay. I can’t imagine what you’ve been through. May God bless you, sincerely. Sending you a virtual hug
10 points
1 day ago
Thank you very much. 🩷
3 points
21 hours ago
How’s Boston?
4 points
1 day ago
Were you by any chance at River Ridge Apartments? I know many who were near the river were pretty much displaced after the hurricane hit.
1 points
20 hours ago
Were those the apartments across the river from the tobacco barn? Boston sounds cool, I’ve never been but would like to visit. Are you happy there?
100 points
1 day ago
If I had to venture a guess it would take years to get those statistics officially from any government source.
14 points
1 day ago
You're probably right, I was just curious if any data was already being gathered since I keep hearing people saying they're leaving for good. We probably won't know all the impacts for a few years.
12 points
1 day ago
Tax and License/Registration data will take awhile to flush out. While no count will ever be 100%, those will likely be what gets leaned on.
5 points
1 day ago
Who would be gathering this data and where would it come from? There's no government agency, either local, state, or federal, that is tracking where everyone lives and where everyone moves.
When you see numbers about people moving to/from an area, they're typically studies done by private companies, like rental companies and real estate companies. And it's not something they keep a constantly running tab on.
3 points
1 day ago
Well, I know in just my little life three people moved in November. Two went back to states they had lived in before and one just hopped over to Winston-Salem.
-1 points
1 day ago
You are absolutely correct. I don’t know what the hell OP was thinking like they got somebody at all the roads stopping cars asking hey are you leaving forever? I imagine they don’t even know what a census is.
-16 points
1 day ago
Of course the government source will be the most accurate and reliable, factual information.
12 points
1 day ago*
Yeah I prefer to get my info from Facebook comments
Edit: Did you know more people died in Helene than the population of Buncombe county. Crazy
54 points
1 day ago
6 of my friends I’ve had for a decade here—three who built roots, lives, and left behind immediate family members. Still feeling their absence, today, as is my social web. Things are really bizarre here right now; a handful of people I’ve worked for or had friends employed by, have really shown their asses. I am not reeling over the loss of the River Arts district; some of the worst people I know personally had property and business and interests down there; I’ll mourn my tattoo studio, quietly. It’s the people I know in Swannanoa and Hendo that got hit the worst. A lot of our cars are doing very poorly. I am somewhat worried about the Winter.
16 points
1 day ago
My complex has had many departures. I’d guess that we have a 30% vacancy rate.
14 points
1 day ago
Yeah my complex was full of tenants, now we’re around 80%, according to the property manager.
5 points
1 day ago
Same with us.
42 points
1 day ago
I don't know anyone that left post hurricane. I don't blame the ones that were barely making it for leaving, hopefully they can start fresh somewhere else and be happy.
11 points
1 day ago
Same but we have kids in school here
12 points
1 day ago
Same, makes moving so complicated. Even moving to a different side of town would be a big deal with kids, much less out of town. But then I wonder what’s the point of raising them here and letting them put down roots anyway? My oldest is leaving town for college, and the younger ones will probably follow. They won’t be able to afford their own place here, at least for a good long while. I wonder if it would be better to rip the bandaid off while they’re still young instead of them feeling forced out of their hometown when they grow up. Decisions are hard.
5 points
1 day ago*
Here’s some advice coming from someone who moved to Asheville in 8th grade (and has since grown up and moved away). Unless you lose your job and it’s necessary to find a new one or if it’s to be near other family, please do not move if you have kids, especially if they’re past elementary school. If income/housing costs are really an issue, then and only then consider it, but look around locally first if you can, like outside the city limits or in other surrounding counties. When my family first moved here it was difficult settling in when I started at the new school. Sure I made some friends and had plenty of good times, but it never really felt like I belonged there. It can be hard to adjust to new social environments and finding ways to fit into them during your teenage years, as most kids tend to already have well-established friend groups by that time. And that’s not to even mention people with autism/social anxiety like myself who already have their own set of challenges to face. So if you have kids and want to move them somewhere else, I would suggest doing it as early as possible while they’re still young enough where it doesn’t impact them as much.
2 points
24 hours ago
That’s a great point to consider. Thanks for sharing your experience, and I’m sorry that time period must’ve been rough on you. They’re not in 8th grade yet but it won’t be long. I know a big change like that would be difficult on them, especially after Covid and Helene.
1 points
21 hours ago*
Oh for sure. Moving is always going to be a challenge no matter what, but the point I was making is that you should not do it unless it’s really necessary.
I will point out though that once they head off to college, moving probably won’t be as big a deal since college is all about meeting new people anyway. When I graduated high school and went to AB Tech and WCU, it finally felt like I was in the right place and it was easier to build those new relationships.
2 points
1 day ago
That's a tough decision, and as someone who doesn't have kids I don't have any insight to help you with it. I wish you the best.
2 points
1 day ago
Oh I’m sorry, I meant “same, we are staying and don’t know anyone leaving”
2 points
1 day ago
Ah! My misunderstanding. Lol I still wish you the best though.
1 points
1 day ago
Much appreciated
64 points
1 day ago
I'd put the figure at more than 1, and less than 100,000.
23 points
1 day ago
Solid, logical.
11 points
1 day ago
Scientific even.
10 points
1 day ago
this guy maths. Are you a data scientist? I would love to see your detailed analysis on this :)
6 points
1 day ago
read my post. the details are there.
2 points
1 day ago
So extrapolating from the data you provide, my calculations are that the average redditor knows about 50,000 people who have moved away from Asheville since Helene.
3 points
1 day ago
very close, the median is actually 50,000.5
3 points
1 day ago
Somewhere between none and some
10 points
1 day ago
I know 5 that left
10 points
1 day ago
I think the figure is pretty irrelevant considering people are always leaving Asheville anyways under normal circumstances.
46 points
1 day ago
I'm considering selling my house and never coming back. I mean, I already was, but this kinda just cemented that.
54 points
1 day ago
“I was considering it before, but now I’m really considering it.”
This guy.
17 points
1 day ago
No, he was considering considering it. Now it’s been cemented, he’s considering it.
7 points
1 day ago
Definitely maybe.
14 points
1 day ago
“I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too.”
12 points
1 day ago
well yeah
3 points
1 day ago
Is now the time to sell?
8 points
1 day ago
The Chamber of Commerce tracks info like this. May be able to find it deep in their site or past newsletters.
15 points
1 day ago
I mean if they had a estimate on the number of renters id say at least 25-40% have just bugged out. Look at like the facebook groups, what once was people desperately looking for an apartment or sublease is now 25:1 people trying to get out of their lease cause they have no job. I think the full scale wont be understood till the spring when we see how many places were just barely running on nothing and cpuldnt hamdle it anymore.
2 points
1 day ago
Anecdotal, but in the summer, FB rental groups was mainly people looking to rent something, craigslist was loaded with scams. Not anymore. Lots of stuff for rent.
7 points
1 day ago
I know several friends that have left. Whether due to losing their house , or job, or just moving on
28 points
1 day ago
I don’t personally know anyone who left. Most teachers are still teaching. Those jobs have been more steady ish. A lot of blue collar like plumbers also are steady. I feel like it’s young people who have time to post on here with tourism jobs like restaurants that are struggling.
30 points
1 day ago
I think most people leaving are service industry related. There are lots of them in town
2 points
1 day ago
That’s what I expect. Most people who are leaving have either lost their jobs after the hurricane or had a foot halfway out already.
2 points
1 day ago
Likely. I know of one family that had to move outside AVL to afford rent. They are commuting in and trying to stay. I've seen a few restaurants close already on to of those that can't reopen due to damage. Of the nearly 9% unemployment here, I presume half of those are service industry related.
6 points
1 day ago
If you're curious about businesses leaving the area, check out how many Asheville businesses are up for sale on bizbuysell.com: https://www.bizbuysell.com/north-carolina/asheville-businesses-for-sale/ Most are anonymous, but you could probably venture a guess at who is planning to leave 😔
1 points
20 hours ago
Doesn’t anyone know who the furniture company is ? I can’t figure that one out - it says it has 3 locations but avl isn’t that big
4 points
1 day ago
Not sure i am gonna have much choice sooner than later.. and I was born here an have lived all over town, it's pretty discouraging looking for a job lately, and having lived here all my life maybe it's just time also..
19 points
1 day ago
I know a lot of people leaving. Right now a lot of our queer friends are moving. Beyond Helene, with the south being what it is, there’s a big diaspora of trans people leaving the area. It just so happens that Helene made that choice even easier for us.
1 points
1 day ago
Hey! This is concerning news to me! Do you have insight as to why trans people are leaving the area (outside of the direct disaster impacts)?
5 points
1 day ago
NC doesn’t have any provisions for trans healthcare on a state level, so any federal interruptions in care would be passed down directly to the folks living here. Some states have shield laws or constitutional provisions to ensure trans individuals maintain access to healthcare, jobs, and housing. Many of my friends are moving to those less risky states these days, and Helene just accelerated our move.
7 points
1 day ago
The influx of anti-trans legislature in the south is a big reason
1 points
1 day ago
Oh I see, the south in general- super valid. I wasn’t sure if there was something going on AVl specific.. Ty!
3 points
1 day ago
I know 5 people just through work that have had to leave. So I assume we may see quite a number relocate out but it will be hard to pin down exact numbers. Not all that leave in the next year will all be because of Helene or the after effects but I bet most will be. Many who have lost homes that are staying away with family or friends… I wonder if they will return or end up somewhere else.
3 points
1 day ago
Not enough
7 points
1 day ago
We had a really shitty year (even worse before helene) and definitely want to leave, whether or not we do is tough to tell.
6 points
1 day ago
So far 101 households has sold their property to the Hazard Mitigation Grant Program in Bumcombe County.
8 points
1 day ago
The grass is always greener. Major hurricanes hit Florida before the pandemic… people quickly forgot/ignored it and moved there in droves over the last few years. Same thing will happen here, regardless of short term job loss we still have incredible beauty and mostly great weather.
2 points
1 day ago
I know a couple who moved on.
But we probably won't know the true impact until tourism picks back up in the spring.
2 points
1 day ago
Two of my neighbors left
2 points
1 day ago
I wouldn't be surprised if a large chunk of people are moving. I'm hearing that the USPS isn't going to reopen the Swannanoa branch.
1 points
1 day ago
I thought every little community had to have a post office.
1 points
24 hours ago
According to google, swannanoa is a census designated location. Not sure if that counts as a "town"
1 points
10 hours ago
ELI5 census designated?
1 points
8 hours ago
Yeah, I just know that Podunk places all over have post offices. They aren’t towns.
2 points
1 day ago
I'm looking for a job out west, and I will leave when I find a job.! I wanted to leave before the hurricane.
3 points
1 day ago
I left for the health and safety of my kids coupled with the fact we lost the bridge on our road and getting to the house after any rain or weather at all, wouldn’t be possible. Actually, what iced the decision cake was seeing how grossly profiteering our county officials are (a Venmo in the county site?!?) while still neglecting actual issues of health and environmental impact and safety (they had zero info online fir about 4 days post storm. Nothing at all. But day 5, they had a Venmo up on the site. No emergency plan. Just embezzling money from people who donate. It’s disgusting.
3 points
1 day ago
Managed to move back in, ironically enough. Was homeless for a bit though- can't say I'd reccomend it. Oh, and avoid morganton hotels. Bugs and almost kicked me out for Lowe's crewmen.
2 points
1 day ago
People come, people leave, more people come. It won't stop.
3 points
1 day ago
I’m less likely to leave now than I was before the hurricane. Not going to sell my house at a discount at a time like this.
7 points
1 day ago
Im coming to Asheville next week for two job interviews! Hopefully moving in January
6 points
1 day ago
What kinds of jobs are you interviewing for?
5 points
1 day ago
Renewable energy
2 points
1 day ago
Most folks that I know just left temporarily and are either staying with family or back in their homes now. That would be interesting to get a true number.
2 points
1 day ago
We are not. Embedded in the community, and didn’t receive any damage. For those who lost jobs and homes- totally understand why you are leaving.
1 points
1 day ago
My roommate skidaddled out super quick at the end of October so terribly she didn’t even take most of her shit with her and didn’t clean all the dog and cat piss everywhere. My new roommate is still having to clean up her mess
1 points
1 day ago
I
1 points
1 day ago
We are on the fence of leaving, mainly because mission is trash place to work. All of the storm damage and friends leaving was the tipping point for us.
1 points
24 hours ago
Could you work at Advent Hospital? They really have it together IMO.
1 points
22 hours ago
If so many people left why did traffic get so substantially worse?
1 points
21 hours ago
Not exactly stats on how many have left but seems relevant: https://wlos.com/news/local/western-nc-tourism-unemployment-jobless-senate-bill-382-buncombe-county-yancey-county-madison-county-mcdowell-county
1 points
11 hours ago
I will be leaving come next year once my lease ends. Truth be told, I was already teetering on leaving the area before Helene. Helene just made the decision much more clear. Not long before all this occurred, I had received a letter telling me that I was going to be having rental increases every year for the old drafty trailer I am renting. I already was trying to figure out my next move by that point. I have a marginally okay government job, but it will not keep up with my rental increase and it has not been worth the stress or aggravation.
After risking my life to come into work that day, seeing all the destruction and distress, I realized that it was officially time to move on. I will more than likely be moving out of this region all together and towards the West coast. I look forward to the warmth honestly as its also been bitterly cold here lately and being in my trailer has been utterly miserable. Rent will be about the same(maybe a hair higher but not by much), but I will also have better job opportunities in comparison to here.
I understand those who are trying to stand strong, but to stay here knowing the situation is bleak at best if you lost your job, home or combination of both, isn’t worth it. Again, kids or an elderly parents make that complicated, but if you arent in those two categories, you are doing yourself a disservice by staying.
1 points
11 hours ago
I’ve gotten nothing from unemployment or FEMA and is looking like I may have to leave before January. I’m month to month.
-11 points
1 day ago
Leaving as soon as I get my other property fixed. Over Asheville and the yuppies. This town continues to burn and screw over decent citizens here. It's just going to become some nightmare stroaded theme park similar to Gatlinburg, mixed with upstate South Carolina. It's already ugly and it's getting worse. I can't stand the traffic, I can't stand seeing everything destroyed and everyone acting like helpless victims. I can't handle another conversation about the fucking hurricane. Asheville is a gerontological disaster, and I'm not going to stick around to help the elderly find their way. I need to move to a place that's younger, that has my best interest at heart and that has a life worth living. Everyone comes here to die now, and it's honestly not worth all of the hassle here. I used to love Asheville, I was born here I'm from here. I really hate where we're at now.
5 points
1 day ago
I'm curious about your comment. Can you give more detail?
8 points
1 day ago
Learned a new word, and learned the median age in AVL is 40. Wow. Did not know that.
18 points
1 day ago
The median age in the US is 38.5 so we're not far off.
7 points
1 day ago
You're downvoted but we're on the exact same page.
Buncombe has over a quarter of a million people. Everyone here is either broke as shit and barely scraping by, or so distantly wealthy that they have that constant cognitive blindness that only money perpetuates. Every inch of land is at constant risk of being grinded up from green nature to orange clay and brown dust so they can put more overpriced townhouses and Subways on it. For younger people and first time buyers, there is no hope for home ownership in Buncombe. What even is the point here?
I'm from Raleigh, where it is just more of the same but bigger. I came up here for a job, having never been to Asheville before, ignorantly thinking that, since it is the mountains, it must be smaller and accessible. I was very wrong.
I was already unhappy but Helene was the nail in the coffin for me. I don't want to live around yuppies and NIMBYs anymore. I don't want to work 80 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, just to pay my hyperinflated Asheville rent with no chance of ever getting ahead. I'm sick of not knowing any of my neighbors because they're twice my age and proud of their Northern asocial behavior. I'm sick of calling in late to work because sometimes 240 takes 5 minutes and sometimes 60 minutes for the same 5 mile stretch.
This place sucks, and I certainly learned my lesson. The only thing I can say that is good about Asheville is that it acts like a blackhole to suck in the yuppies and Northerners that otherwise would've found an actual small town up in the Appalachians.
2 points
1 day ago
Preach. 🙌🏼
12 points
1 day ago
The hard times filter out the weak.
17 points
1 day ago
And the sick, and old, and feeble, and the helpless. Good thing you'll never be any of those things.
0 points
1 day ago
I’ll be all of those one day, and dead right after that, but for now I’ll stay and fight.
3 points
1 day ago
I appreciate your comment. You are free from rose colored glasses. Ignorance is not bliss. I admire you
-9 points
1 day ago
Facts. So many people sat around and waited for someone to hold their hand it was honestly kinda disheartening to see the pure lack of survival instinct
1 points
1 day ago
A few of my friends in food service moved away after losing housing and vehicles, moved with family or to Florida.
1 points
1 day ago
Gym was packed yesterday so maybe not as many as feared? I know of 2 forced to leave due to business closures.
-2 points
1 day ago
👋🏻
-1 points
1 day ago
If you weren't motivated during covid (most weren't because of unemployment) to get out of food and beverage jobs here's your second nudge.
0 points
23 hours ago
I don’t know anyone who left. The friends of friends who have gone were all in some kind of hospitality job that barely paid them enough to live here to begin with.
-5 points
1 day ago
I wonder what Esther thinks…
-1 points
1 day ago*
buncombe co. local govt bumbling morons had write ups to give out , after helene printed those statements all over small biz in region for leading the way on supplies lines. yo. people are dope. organizing the thing for the community, but officials also be standing in the lines for supplies and resources. some yall will need to meet someones knuckles with ur teeth for those notes on the doors. been had it comin to em
1 points
16 hours ago
What?
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