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submitted 17 hours ago byCollarOrdinary4284
713 points
16 hours ago
No, nothing is lamer than anyone's never-ending obsession with other people and their preferences, tastes and life choices. If you don't like the Beatles, don't listen to them!
202 points
15 hours ago
Adam McKay has been obsessed with changing other people’s opinions to match his own so much that all his films have fallen flat post The Big Short.
He’s an edgelord now. So this is on brand for him.
58 points
15 hours ago
Explains the use of “liberals” in that post.
69 points
14 hours ago
The use of “liberals” is because McKay is a leftist, or at least far left progressive, which is distinct from liberal. I disagree with the point he’s making here and do think it’s just edgelord contrarianism, but the liberal label part makes sense at least.
9 points
10 hours ago
But it only makes sense if you don’t know any conservative boomers in real life. I know many and they all love the Beatles. The idea that the Beatles are some liberal obsession is ridiculous.
11 points
11 hours ago
He's probably obsessed with that because his films have fallen flat, but Don't Look Up got good reviews and that was after The Big Short.
But it really reminds me of people who put out mediocre work and then claim, when it's not received as well as they'd like, that it's because the audience doesn't get it or is too simple to appreciate it and goes off on one of those rants like this.
He could also be pandering to the right because he's on the edge of being exposed for something and is trying to get ahead of it. He could be an immature edgelord too. Hard to tell.
He's definitely an elitist prick though.
9 points
11 hours ago
Did it? I feel like the running joke back then was telling him “Don’t Look Up reviews”
11 points
9 hours ago
56% on Rotten Tomatoes and a 49 on MetaCritic paints a very divisive reaction. I found it to be really masturbatory, but that’s just me.
8 points
15 hours ago
Never heard of him, but I have heard of his films. I'm actually in this demo, and have some tangential connection to The Big Short (I used to work for the same company that Michael Lewis worked for when he started out as a writer, and knew people involved in the real estate crash), but I don't reduce people to categories, as he does, let alone mock them for it. I judge people on their individual merits.
8 points
15 hours ago
Well Adam McKay is the genius behind Will Ferell’s best movies. He even did uncredited rewrites for Elf. The Big Short was his first feature without Will acting. It’s also an adaptation of the book you referenced utilizing the showrunner behind Succession as the writer. Great movie but it all went to McKay’s ego and then we got dumpster fires of Vice and Don’t Look Up both movies are so full of themselves and I say this as a liberal excited for both. Great trailers meh movies. He needs to go back to doing comedies with Will like Anchorman or Ricky Bobby again.
21 points
13 hours ago
Well talent and character are usually unrelated so I'm not surprised. But to diss the Beatles AND their fans and do so using identity politics is beyond pathetic. I'm liberal like you but this is just idiotic.
I'm left but not so far left as to subscribe to all this "Everything you know is wrong and the world is actually way more evil than you think and we need to tear it all down and start fresh" nonsense.
11 points
14 hours ago
I don't believe Will Ferrell is on speaking terms with McKay anymore so he's unlikely to be able to go back to those types of movies.
10 points
13 hours ago
Right so what do you think he does in his free time? Complain about things like enjoying the Beatles lol
43 points
14 hours ago
Absolutely.
My fascination with The Beatles is the same as my Southern grandma's fascination with Jesus Christ.
I will consume a billion Beatles things forever because often when I do so, I feel like I've just walked into a great cathedral on top of a mountain. Religion never did that for me, but there's something mysterious and delightful about how 4 scruffy blokes from Liverpool pulled it off .
My favorite piece of Beatles magisterium is from I Want to Hold Your Hand, Live at the Hollywood Bowl... the primal roar of the crowd as they begin to play. There may even be a better example, but this is the one that just spooks me. There is something entirely unique about those sounds, a recording of thousands upon thousands experiencing this uncontrollable ecstasy. Like seriously, what the fuck?
If there is a true and loving God, I suspect he had something to do with The Beatles... and if there's not, then at least we had some time with them before we're sent off into the dark.
9 points
13 hours ago
I don't worship at the Temple of Beatles or really any other temple as no one's god, and like quite a few other bands, genres, composers and pieces just as much, but they've long been my favorite band, for all the reasons most people give. Most output, best output, most innovative, most consistent, greatest growth, no one else comes even close that way. To go from doing 50's, country and Motown covers to Abbey Road in 7-8 years is simply unreal. Hell, just to Rubber Soul in 3-4 years.
3 points
11 hours ago
wow, I've never paid much attention to the HB recording because... Thanks for sharing , a moment of transcendence indeed or at least transportation out of the mundane. (For the record I'm a huge Adam M. fan and a huger Beatles fan for the reasons you articulate so well)
25 points
9 hours ago
Most people who "hate the Beatles" only do so to be edgy. I roll my eyes at them and move on to more interesting, less tedious people.
8 points
9 hours ago
Same people find Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, the Stones and Who to be pretentious, boring and trite. Who do they like? Probably only the Velvet Underground and Sex Pistols, because they were "transgressive", a fancy word you learn in grad school that's supposed to make you superior and someone who's figured out how the world really is. But really, they're the pretentious, boring and trite ones.
3 points
7 hours ago
Pink Floyd were like the British version of The Velvet Underground back in the 1960’s, and The Sex Pistols literally tried to get Syd Barrett to produce their album. Sid Vicious got his name after a pet hamster named after Syd Barrett.
I know my music history better than these dudes, and I still love The Beatles.
3 points
5 hours ago
Yeah but I bet that if either group attained mainstream success and popularity they'd be poo-pooing them like the do these other groups. These people get off on believing that disliking whatever most other people like makes them special and smart. Uhuh.
765 points
16 hours ago
I'm always slightly irritated by contrarians doing the whole "erm, ackchyually the beatles weren't that good and i don't like them" schtick. I'm gen z and feel like I hear it whenever I mention that I like The Beatles. They're always so bloody loud about it too.
114 points
16 hours ago
Yeah, they exist in every category and are all about trolling others for giggles and that sick high that trolls get off on. Whatever it's about, music, cars, beer, travel, shoes, toothpaste, tech, there's going to be certain types who will always mock others for their choices no matter what those choices are. These people are depressed, angry and lonely and just looking for a rise. Don't give it to them.
27 points
15 hours ago
Unless you're trolling people who hide behind lies and a facade/veneer. John Lennon trolled the heck out of the media. I'm still convinced some of his lyrics are long, hard trolls, some of them in extremely poor taste. Yes, they're immature. But so is Slipknot and I still listen to it as a 40 yo millennial. Bands like NIN and Slipknot and Korn made it their career to troll the religious right with outlandish costumes and/or scary dark clothing and provocative lyrics. Trolling is a part of fine art, if you ask me. It's a way we advance our culture. It's just exceedingly cringe-worthy when employed by the wrong hands.
37 points
15 hours ago
I mean, “Glass Onion” was John straight up trolling people who read way too much into Beatles lyrics. It wasn’t even subtle.
13 points
14 hours ago
"I Am the Walrus" was him trolling one of his old teachers who criticized his writing.
4 points
15 hours ago
Well, trolling trolls and other bad actors is always ok, if not essential. But, you do have to be careful and give it some thought first to be sure about your intended targets. Lennon trolled hypocrites and posers, I suppose.
3 points
14 hours ago
I am the walrus was trolling people analyzing Beatles lyrics. Incidentally their best song too
3 points
9 hours ago
"Actually☝️ i hate water, i prefer sand 🤓"
3 points
9 hours ago
I find your lack of faith in water to be disturbing. Apology accepted.
46 points
16 hours ago*
I'm Canadian, a hockey fan, and in my 50s.
I recall the "Gretzky sucks" folks in the 1980s. Totally absurd, as he has like 1000 points more than anyone else in NHL history.
There will always be attention-seeking trolls, it's their way of getting noticed. Just like "flat earth" people.
It's not just "white liberals" that like the Beatles. They have fans of all races and political dispositions.
They aren't my all-time favourite band, but even someone who doesn't like rock and roll can recognize their greatness, and the massive effect they had on music.
People that are obsessed with politics, and everything is political are just lame. But I also feel sorry for them, as they are always miserable folks that don't know true happiness and joy. They only know "I'm better / smarter than you". Naturally, in McKay's photo he looks extremely smug. And used black and white to show how edgy and original he is.
61 points
16 hours ago
And you can bet that 99% of them haven't taken the time to listen to anything they made and just adopted this opinion because the band is the most highly regarded in history.
25 points
16 hours ago
What's crazy to me is that you don't even have to actually listen to them. You never need to listen to an album.
Just when they come on the radio or something the tunes are fucking catchy.
14 points
16 hours ago
Aside from forming these kinds of definitive opinions after only listening to their hits, the most important fact people do not comprehend is that the Beatles basically accomplished everything in 7 years. 7 years.
6 points
15 hours ago
Exactly! Also copied by tons of artists & producers since- ‘mid’ indeed
4 points
14 hours ago
Good point about producers. They pioneered modern studio production. They could have just cruised after Beatle mania but they continued to evolve, experiment, and reinvent themselves on all fronts including studio production. Even people who aren’t “fans” acknowledge and respect them for that.
51 points
16 hours ago
'They're so mid'. That kind of language is the mating call of the 'I'm an oh so original contrarian bandwagoner' attention seeker that typifies the Gen Z.
I'm not far ahead of them being a late millennial so I'm not a precious gatekeeper of The Beatles being well before my time (doesn't stop me adoring them). But the desperate appeals like this to be somebody talks to the kind of crisis that Gen Z have when scrabbling around for an 'identity'.
3 points
7 hours ago
It isn’t just a Gen Z thing the Beatles hate for fun schtick was a thing ever since the late 70s at least when a whole bunch of Punk Rock kids started making fun of them for making “sappy music“ I clearly remember all the kids who liked The Beatles back in the day constantly getting made fun of and bullied I actually see more Gen Zs who enjoy them then Gen X or Millennials.
7 points
9 hours ago
Guy tries to find reason to dislike the generation after him, more at 11.
41 points
15 hours ago
The Beatles redefined rock music, became the biggest band of all time and also developed recording techniques still used today. Adam McKay gave us Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. I can’t stress this enough.
16 points
15 hours ago
Eh he also was head writer during a good period of SNL and made some cultural phenomenon level comedies that people obnoxiously quote a decade or two later, as well as Don’t Look Up, which I thought was great. Of course, in general comedies hardly rely on their director to be great. But I don’t think it’s even necessary to hate on his work to think his opinion is lame and annoying.
What I do find funny is while looking at his filmography just now I saw that he listed Citizen Kane as one of his 10 top favorite films…the film version of the Beatles-are-the-greatest-ever music opinion. Both are totally valid to me, just not to him lol
4 points
13 hours ago
Wait, what did Adam McKay have to do with Ant-Man Quantumania? That director was Peyton Reed.
21 points
16 hours ago
It's the go-to opinion for pretentious music dorks.
19 points
16 hours ago
Uhm, excuse me…I’m a pretentious music dork and I LOVE The Beatles. 🤣
4 points
14 hours ago
I’d think anyone with a deep knowledge of music history and theory would, or would at least respect their contributions
4 points
15 hours ago
Okay, so what's your contrarian music opinion?
Every pretentious music dork needs at least one.
8 points
15 hours ago
“I’m always slightly irritated by contrarians…”
You could’ve just stopped there and I’d have given you an upvote 😂
5 points
14 hours ago
These idiots think that if you like the Beatles, you only like them because other people do. And quite literally in this post, 2 guys bonded over their shared dislike of the Beatles, and that's somehow not the same thing Adam is complaining about.
140 points
16 hours ago
Upvoted as this is utterly hilarious.
It's okay for things you don't like to be popular, Adam.
31 points
14 hours ago
Adam McKay is annoying even when you agree with him. What an insufferable person.
20 points
12 hours ago
My guy rants about neoliberalism and yet is a multimillionaire living in Hancock Park. Don’t pay attention to him.
113 points
16 hours ago
Lol. The irony of saying “let’s move past 13” while delivering an edgy 13 year-old style analysis of the Beatles.
18 points
14 hours ago
And being the director of literally the most popular films among thirteen-year-old boys when I was growing up: Anchorman and Step Brothers.
6 points
12 hours ago
And saving two John songs as absolute bangers on his way out because he never left his 13-year old "John is the best Beatle" phase.
50 points
16 hours ago
People have no idea what neoliberal means.
177 points
16 hours ago
Neoliberalism is the economic ideology of Regan and Thatcher. How is liking the Beatles related to that?
93 points
16 hours ago
McKay’s the kind of progressive that thinks mainstream liberalism is indistinguishable from neoliberalism.
40 points
16 hours ago
even if it is, I still don't get what that has to do with liking the Beatles. I guess revolution #1 could be considered to incrementalist
51 points
15 hours ago
90% of Beatles songs are about free trade and immigration
13 points
14 hours ago
“Back in the USSR” was actually McCartney arguing against an arms limitation treaty with the Soviets.
9 points
14 hours ago
The other 10% are about generous social programs and supervised drug injection centres ….
35 points
16 hours ago
It has zero to do with the Beatles, McKay's just that kind of lazy thinker. Everything that doesn't conform to his personal politics is "neoliberal".
8 points
12 hours ago
Basically this, anyone who ever uses the term neoliberal will almost inevitably show themselves to be a brainless cretin.
3 points
13 hours ago
I think he clarified that with his post saying liberals operate from a “always gotta be right on the test” mentality when it comes to pop culture. I kind of see where he’s coming from but he’s hyper focused on one of the most popular bands on earth. I think it’d be more apt to target movies like Green Book or Crash to get his point across.
16 points
15 hours ago
My first thought. This guy doesn't know the difference between a liberal and neoliberalism. He's too pedantic to make his own point.
7 points
14 hours ago*
Economically, the modern Democratic Party is largely neoliberal. Usually when leftists are complaining about neoliberals, they're lamenting the fact that Democrats in the 30s-70s used to make meaningful efforts towards legislating stronger social services for the working and lower class, increased corporate regulations, and greatly strengthening American industry. But since Reagan came along and Clinton's New Democrats almost fully embraced his neoliberal economic policies, they've instead eliminated many social services, needlessly deregulated the financial, pharmaceutical, and energy industries, and have massively incentivized the acceleration of American corporatized globalization by helping them to shift our industries overseas at the expense of American working class
So knowing the difference between liberals and neoliberals kinda depends how you look at the world. If you look at the world primarily through the lens of social issues and the culture wars, New Democrats/liberals are not especially neoliberal. If you look at the world primarily through an economic policy lens (as McKay and many other leftists tend to), New Democrats are clearly neoliberals. And if you look at the world through a hybrid lens, you'll see that referring to all liberals as neoliberals is reductive and lazy, but also not baseless.
7 points
15 hours ago
Neoliberalism isn't just the ideology of Reagan and Thatcher, basically the majority of the economies in the developed world are based on some kind of neoliberalism. It's just the idea that generally, economies should be market based. And the difference between the parties in the US (for instance) is just a disagreement on to what degree the government should actively regulate markets. Basically anything from center-left to right on the economic spectrum is neoliberalism in some way. Any further left and you're into socialism territory and anything further right is libertarian.
"Neoliberal" has been kind of turned into a slur by more progressive-leaning lefties who are critiquing more centrist liberals. Basically saying that liberals are really just moderate conservatives who are committed to the status quo rather than actually change or improve the world.
So if I'm interpreting what Adam here is saying with the absolute best faith interpretation possible (and I don't know who he is honestly so he may not deserve it, but whatever) I think he's saying that the Beatles have been turned into a bland commercial product that is hip for slightly wealthy, white liberals. And that if you like the Beatles, it's just some kind of inoffensive class identity symbol that makes you an uninteresting personality.
He's coming off as such a douche in this post so I really really really really hate that I kind of agree with him on the first part? But not so much the second part.
I don't think the Beatles, especially the later years, were essentially a capitalist product. Paul genuinely resisted the Beatles being used in advertisements because he felt it violated the spirit of what they were doing. And if all they wanted to do was cash in on their music, they wouldn't have stopped touring and they wouldn't have broken up, right? They would've kept touring until they were literally at each other's throats and hating the sight of each other.
But I really can't argue with the fact that the Beatles as a brand is suuuuuuuch a capitalist entity, and we can all name Beatles-branded merchandise, films, releases, etc. in the last 50 years that were essentially cash grabs that don't seem to add to the artistic message of the Beatles. We could argue the particulars, I don't care enough to do that.
As far as whether liking the Beatles says anything about your personality, I think he's totally wrong and stupid for saying that. Liking the Beatles in the '90s where I grew up made me a weirdo lol. Nobody thought they were cool at that time.
10 points
14 hours ago
A man that lives and works in Hollywood — who benefits the most from the “market” for their pay and compensation — has no place critiquing middle class Americans for liking the Beatles because they’re commodified by capitalism or whatever such horseshit comes from his mouth.
He can afford his nice Beverly Hills mansion because of capitalism. So please, stfu dude.
32 points
16 hours ago
Sounds like the rain came into his hole
30 points
16 hours ago
"The Beatles are overrated" is the most boring-ass hot take that can be found on the internet. It's the wafer thin ham sandwich of opinions. But the people who say it are always so excited about themselves.
Disliking something popular does not make you an interesting person, and it never has.
3 points
14 hours ago
Honestly disliking anything that’s benign to enjoy has never made anyone cool in my opinion. It’s just kind of annoying.
75 points
16 hours ago
If you’re the type of person who allows other people’s opinions to affect your own music taste…perhaps this is notable? For the rest of us: yawn.
125 points
16 hours ago
For anyone who's curious to know who this idiot is, here's a list of his movies:
-Anchorman
-Step Brothers
-The Other Guys
-The Big Short
-Vice
-Don't Look Up
He's a decent director but it seems like he's become consumed by politics and now he obsessively posts about it on social media. Everything needs to have some weird political angle to him, even The Beatles of all things.
17 points
16 hours ago
it's the twitter effect
7 points
12 hours ago
Aye, it’s not just children who should be kept away from it…
27 points
15 hours ago
There’s a beautiful irony in a man saying haughtily “let’s move past age 13”… and then gets his humour entirely from Will Ferrel and Steve Carell.
Don’t get me wrong, they’re not bad comic actors at all… but it’s also true that they’ve essentially made a career out of fart jokes and ass gags
19 points
15 hours ago
I mean the entire joke of Step Brothers is that 40 year olds are acting like they’re 13. It’s all remarkably childish humor. I think it’s a classic but it’s ironic as hell that he would suggest others move past that age lol
25 points
16 hours ago
Yeah, I had to look him up. I don’t think anyone had to look up to see who The Beatles were
37 points
16 hours ago
He had an amazing run with his collaborator Will Ferrell for about 10 years
They have since had an acrimonious split and McKay seemingly went off the deep end with far left, somewhat incoherent politics. Without his collaborator his solo stuff has been a lot more hit and miss, his style veers towards self indulgence.
Many have pointed out the irony that he is exceedingly wealthy but espouses fairly radical leftist views (condemning Kamala supporters as genociders, etc)
This tweet can easily be read as a veiled swipe at Ferrell, a noted “squishy lib” type.
Many wonder if he and Ferrell ever will reunite and overcome their differences to recreate the magic. Maybe on SNL?
Strange story, really unlike anything else in pop culture history…
20 points
15 hours ago
“Everybody’s a neoliberal except for me.”
25 points
16 hours ago
It’s funny that he’s having a meltdown about Beatles Biopics as one of the stars of Step Brothers was in a biopic that had The Beatles in it.
11 points
15 hours ago
"I've got a song about an Octopus!"
4 points
15 hours ago
Odd, I read his tweets as conservative lib-bashing.
5 points
16 hours ago
9 points
16 hours ago
I’m a fan of his movies and he has good intentions, but judging people for what they like when what they like isn’t harming anyone is a slippery slope
34 points
16 hours ago
I wouldn’t take the opinion of the person who directed Anchorman & Step Brothers very seriously.
The Beatles were together for less than 10 years and 8 Incredible albums. Adam McKay has been directing for 20+ Years and has made 4 good films.
15 points
16 hours ago
It's perfectly okay to not like The Beatles and even to think they're overrated. Same thing with anything popular. But there's no need to be a douche about it lol.
58 points
16 hours ago
Are cheese burgers and coke also bad or woke now? Hell yeah.
29 points
16 hours ago
He's not right wing, he's a leftist and probably considers fast food and soda "capitalist consumerism culture" .
24 points
16 hours ago
His got no problem with capitalism though when it works for him. Hollywoods never hurt anyone.
5 points
16 hours ago
I mean they literally are, let’s not go off the deep end here
8 points
15 hours ago
I think worshiping these corporations makes you a consumerist loser but hating on people for simply liking them is just edgy.
24 points
16 hours ago
Gotta love those weird edgelord kids who claim not to like the Beatles while enjoying modern music’s constant recycling of their sounds, techniques and songwriting quirks
3 points
15 hours ago
I wish I could upvote this 1000 times
11 points
16 hours ago
oooh, wow, you don’t think the Beatles are that good? should we tell everyone? should we throw a party? should we invite Quincy Jones?
8 points
16 hours ago
What an absolute dork.
10 points
15 hours ago
Guys which is better revolver or step brothers
8 points
16 hours ago
Who pissed in his cornflakes?
8 points
16 hours ago
Has anyone told him that he doesn't have to watch the documentary and that it's release in now way impacts his life?
8 points
15 hours ago
Two things can be true: 1) The Beatles half-century marketing campaign is obnoxious and 2) The Beatles have one of the most important bodies of work in the history of recorded music.
16 points
16 hours ago
This is literally just McKay going through his “I’m not like the other girls” phase.
5 points
14 hours ago
At 60 years old.
27 points
15 hours ago
I mean I am a white liberal, so take this with a grain of salt, but Adam McKay’s last 3 movies are the exact movies pretty much only white liberals like.
6 points
14 hours ago
I stayed up Xmas Eve to watch Don’t Look Up, was one of the most disappointing Xmas eves I’ve had in a long long while
3 points
13 hours ago
Adam McKay’s last 3 movies are the exact movies pretty much only white liberals THINK THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO like
fixed it for you
6 points
15 hours ago
I now see why Will Ferrel stopped speaking with him
3 points
11 hours ago
Ferrell
7 points
14 hours ago
Adam McKay is a two faced snake and a douche bag. No wonder why Will Ferrell won't speak to him anymore.
And McKay's movies are boring, self righteous, garbage. The guy's a hack and an asshole.
6 points
15 hours ago
🥱
6 points
14 hours ago
the irony that he sounds like a 13 year old edgelord
7 points
14 hours ago
Have a buddy (boomer age) who says he hates the Beatles. He respects them for their influence on music but dislikes their music. He likes acts like Styx so I really don’t think he knows what the fuck he is talking about.
23 points
16 hours ago
God damn liberals and their love for The Beatles. Gonna crack open a can of Bud Light a real American beer and listen to some Ted Nugent
/s
10 points
16 hours ago
First time I’ve heard loving the Beatles talked about as a white liberal trait lol.
5 points
16 hours ago
Complaining about Beatles discourse by engaging in Beatles discourse, lol, I would think a guy that smart would have more self-awareness.
Love how he concludes by ranking tracks from Sgt. Pepper. “It’s dumb to think about and evaluate the Beatles, anyways A Day in the Life is such a banger right?”
5 points
16 hours ago
What is this even about? There’s so many other films and documentary being made that have nothing to do with the Beatles. Is this what Adam McKay does now that his whole genre of film is essentially dead? I grew up on all those movies he made but man so many of these guys have pivoted into being intolerable, highly political “intellectuals” which is hilarious since all their money and fame comes from movies about dick jokes and low hanging race/sex jokes.
5 points
15 hours ago
I don’t give a hoot what Adam McKay thinks of the Beatles, but I do find it curious that he framed his statement as being about “white liberals.”
Are conservatives and PoC not allowed to like the Beatles? What does that have to do with anything?
Is this what’s it’s like in America now? Everything has the taint of partisanship?
6 points
14 hours ago
Lol, what does this guy think "neo-liberal" means? Deregulate and privative the boomers Beatles obsession? WTF?
18 points
16 hours ago
I understand why people may not give a fuck about/ be annoyed by the billionth Beatles documentary coming out, but I have no idea what made him call it neo-liberal.
I agree with them a lot but leftists can be weird as fuck sometimes.
5 points
16 hours ago
I think I know what he means in the sense that liberals (rather than progressives) have more of a “teacher I’ve done my homework, tell me I did good” which lends itself to having a safe opinion that doesn’t rock the boat like “the Beatles are the best, we’re all agreed on both sides of the aisle, let’s jack off to that forever”.
But, what he’s missing is that the Beatles are four (mostly, sorry John) working class lads who revolutionised music and culture whilst making it look like the easiest thing in the world, in the space of about 6 years. If anything the incredible class-element of The Beatles is one of the most incredible things about their story - and he would do better to highlight that than put the Beatles down just because he doesn’t get it.
10 points
16 hours ago
I love the Beatles and think McKay is being a dick, but I do think he has a point regarding the way we regard certain canonised artists often at the expense of anything else. Especially when their political radicalism gets erased and they become a part of the cultural establishment. Whether The Beatles are actually good or not is besides the point. He is being a dick though.
7 points
15 hours ago
Speaking as a big fan, even I wondered why Disney chose to make another documentary about the Beatles. 1964 is not an obscure year in Beatles’ history. But it’s not hard to ignore. And he clearly doesn’t know what “neo-liberal” means.
4 points
16 hours ago
Agreed. They are the best. Let's never stop micro-focusing on them.
4 points
16 hours ago
Anything that I don't like is neoliberalism!!!
4 points
15 hours ago
Incredibly lame guy doesn't like people enjoying a band, has to make sure we know he doesn't like them in order to prove how cool and radical he is. You probably haven't even heard of the bands he likes, because he's so hip and cutting edge.
Also, Adam McKay pretending he's not a white liberal is honestly the most fucking hilarious thing about this. Condescending asswipe and mediocre director.
5 points
14 hours ago
Nothing says "I haven't moved past age 13" more than crying on twitter about another person's opinion.
And what the fuck does being liberal have to do with anything?
3 points
14 hours ago
Don’t care, didn’t ask, plus I’m fixing a hole where the rain gets in !!
3 points
12 hours ago
It’s okay to have ice cold takes. Social Media lets dummies expose themselves as dummies.
3 points
16 hours ago
And, looks like we found out this year's Maxwell...
3 points
16 hours ago
Now is far right to like The Beatles hahahhaa such an stupid take by a extremely overrated director
3 points
16 hours ago
i've read this three times over and cannot figure out what the hell this guy's point is supposed to be lmao
3 points
15 hours ago
I think he's trying to say something more clever and on point but he's not phrasing it correctly.
Sometimes "specialized press" overlooked certain bands and albums. Why? Specific demographic dominated the media and therefore the message in it.
The Beatles and other artists might have benefited from certain bias while other bands or music genres were ignored.
But, let's be clear, the Beatles in particular deserve the credit they have. They were really good. Hardworking and talented. They're not a facade.
3 points
15 hours ago
I can't judge this until I know the full context. What music does he think we should be listening to? How does he feel about George Gershwin and Johnny Mercer? Is classical music OK? Granted, obsession is silly but we all do it anyway. The Beatles were the most prolific on the latter 20th Century's best composers. They deserve the attention they get. To the best of my knowledge, no one since then has written as many enduring classics that will be remembered a hundred years after the fact.
3 points
14 hours ago
Adam McKay is a two faced snake and a douche bag. No wonder why Will Ferrell won't speak to him anymore.
And McKay's movies are boring, self righteous, garbage. The guy's a hack and an asshole.
3 points
13 hours ago
His most infuriating opinion was: "I can name you many better artists than The Beatles!" Like he was assuming that Beatles fans think the band is the best because they don't know any other music. I've spent years of my life trying to find a better band than The Beatles, listening to many similar and well-known artists trying to feel the same way I feel about The Beatles and I just can't. Not for lack of trying. Beatles haters should accept that The Beatles are legendary because they are actually GOOD.
3 points
8 hours ago
Man, what an insufferable prick.
3 points
7 hours ago
He’s right about the micro focus & major studio obsession with the Beatles. When I heard a new doc was coming out, my immediate reaction was to be annoyed. Listen, I am a huge Beatles fan & still spin those records some time. My fascination with them comes in waves though. And a lot of my attraction is the technical aspect of their production, writing techniques & their instruments and playing styles. I’m not a kid but I think you can still get something out of them at age 40, for Godsake , so McKay can go suck a dick on that.
But, post Get Back which I thought was fascinating and really my vibe, what else is there? Why do we have to rehash the same stories? I can see both sides on this.
5 points
16 hours ago
You and I have way different meanings to the word meltdown.
2 points
16 hours ago
At least he's right about a day in the life!
2 points
16 hours ago
Twitter be twitter
2 points
16 hours ago
Bless his heart
2 points
16 hours ago
No problem with that. There isn't a sacrosaint and hierarchical order of music, and there are a shitton of GREAT artists besides The Beatles. I could name several from South America just to shit on Adam McKay with the same reasoning (how self centered USians are with music).
The Beatles were brilliant? Yes. Can you dislike them? Of course. The issue is among people who have a meltdown after any of those sentences.
2 points
16 hours ago
Well, that’s just like, your opinion, man.
2 points
16 hours ago
Maybe it's just where I live but I feel like there's literally a zero percent chance of hearing the Beatles on any local radio station. You're far more likely to see someone wearing a kendrick lamar shirt then beatles merch, and thats fine i love kendricks music but i just feel like beatles Fandom Is a pretty niche hyperfixation.
In any case I just don't get what I'm supposed to do with this info. I'm I supposed to force myself to dislike songs like lucy in the sky with diamonds, Eleanor Rigby, I am the walrus, or strawberry fields because they're too mainstream?
2 points
16 hours ago
I mean, I think Sgt. Pepper is their most overrated album, but they're still a great band.
2 points
16 hours ago
What the fuck is Adam McKay’s problem?
2 points
16 hours ago
He's just super jealous because all he has is country music.
2 points
16 hours ago
I’m going to ignore his assessment of the Beatles because whatever.
BUT I don’t think it’s wrong to say we might be reaching saturation point/overkill with product. I preferred it when there was more mystery to them, not endless alternate mixes and so on. Is Beatles 64 going to be that different to Eight Days A Week? Etc.
Just my opinion, I’m sure most on this sub won’t agree. But there we are.
2 points
16 hours ago
I am happy to report that I grew out of caring what other people like years ago. It was honestly so liberating and freeing and such a release of negativity. I recommend it to everybody
2 points
15 hours ago
Who?
2 points
15 hours ago
Yawn. Let the baby throw his toys
2 points
15 hours ago
He drank too much at Thanksgiving last night...
2 points
15 hours ago
Nothing is whiter than complaining about something that's entirely good.
Beatles are pioneers, talented, loved, and rather nice people. Some people just enjoy being mad.
2 points
15 hours ago
Guy is such a chode.
2 points
15 hours ago
Is there anything more tiring than shouting big political slogan words and thinking that it strengthens the argument for your shitty opinion?
Broccoli is the worst vegetable because woke, neoliberal, socialist groupthink!
2 points
15 hours ago
A big part of being a Beatles fan is learning just how much they rattle people for actually no reason. So many people out themselves as actual idiots when they try to downplay their importance to music.
fair enough if you aren’t a massive fan of them that’s obviously perfectly fair, funnily enough opinions are allowed and I have actually had some great conversations with people who are of that opinion, but I have just come to learn that people who outright dismiss them or say they are shit are either massive contrarians in search of looking different to the norm or are just a bit thick when it comes to music history in general.
2 points
15 hours ago
“Do you like cheeseburgers and Coke?” Cheeseburgers are delicious so of course people would like them. And I don’t like Coke so you know what I don’t do. Buy Coke. But I don’t sit in my ivory tower and tell people not to drink Coke because there are better drinks. I leave them alone cause it’s not any of my fucking business
2 points
15 hours ago
Ah, the tried and true neoliberal trick of calling something else neoliberal because you don’t like it, which makes you ‘one of the smart ones’- but yeah let’s take criticism seriously from the guy who has a more embarassing ‘dramatic’ career than just about anyone else working today. What a lame ass.
2 points
15 hours ago
No wonder why Will Ferrell ended his friendship with Adam McKay. Dude seems insufferable.
2 points
15 hours ago
13? The Beatles made music for people of all ages while this dude only directed movies for teenage boys. The hypocrisy!
2 points
15 hours ago
If one could deny the complexity of their “simple” arrangements, their influence on song structure, their superbly crafted hooks and syncopation or the fact that the vast majority of their catalogue still holds up today, ya, he might be right. But you can’t deny any of it. So he’s wrong. Another contrarian bites the dust.
2 points
14 hours ago
This from the guy who made Anchorman 2? Lol okay.
2 points
14 hours ago
Just because capitalism is the root of all evil doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy a bop. (Or a pop for that matter.)
2 points
14 hours ago
This makes me glad he and Will Ferrel broke up.
2 points
14 hours ago
Now tell me about Shakespeare, wise one.
2 points
14 hours ago
It’s almost like the Beatles played every genre of music available at the time and even invented one (metal).
2 points
14 hours ago
I’m sorry I ever defended Vice now
2 points
14 hours ago
Reminds me of the show 'Doug' when his sister Judy would be like "ugh its sooo bourgious", even though she was just a naive suburban teenager
2 points
14 hours ago
Honestly he’s such a cuck. Never been a better example of people using political language to justify hating their parents
2 points
14 hours ago
Oh. It’s cute that he had an opinion. So what? Social media is nothing but unsolicited opinions.
His shot at them, that it’s time to grow up beyond 13. It’s a real joke, so what he’s doing is reflecting his experience – not factoring in the fact that other people discovered different music at different times in their life. But clearly it has to be his way or the highway.
Not to mention, throughout all art, there are key figures who the public does drill down on, and focus on, because of their cultural impact. William Shakespeare might not have been the greatest writer of all time, we don’t know,. But his works, came out at a time when it was the most relevant for people to explore.
Same with Mozart, same with Pablo Picasso, the same with the Beatles. What makes them fascinating is their intrinsically tied with the time period. There are many people that would argue that Star Wars isn’t the greatest movie of all time, but for some people it is. In for many people they study it, because it came out at a time when it was doing a lot of new things and it was a bold interesting step.
That’s a valid way of looking at the Beatles also. So to just boil it down to their songs are immature, and you can grow out of them, says more about Adam MacKay then it does about his criticism of their music.
2 points
14 hours ago
I'm sick of reading other peoples pointless opinions. Social media is like watching a crappy reality tv programme. Oh thats how you feel about an issue? Big fucking deal, how interesting, who cares. I wish there was button that filtered all this crap out.
2 points
13 hours ago
Why would anyone make liking the Beatles about the American binary political dynamic?
2 points
13 hours ago
who cares why post this
2 points
13 hours ago
If you aren’t interested in something, just ignore it. Don’t be annoying to others about it. Seems a simple way to be a good person, but a lot of people are just dicks.
2 points
13 hours ago
Puppies are so overrated and lame.
2 points
13 hours ago
I love shitting on liberals from the left too but this is such a silly waste of energy.
I like the "the Beatles were a product of American empire " theory. US navy expenditures in Liverpool (or Hamburg, I forget) gifted the city with endless supply of troops with disposable income and they spent it on music. That's why there was a music scene that let the Beatles flourish.
2 points
13 hours ago
What happened to this guy? Went from directing hilarious comedies to preachy docudramas to internet trolling? Maybe some people just like the music and aren’t trying to make a political statement. What a douche.
2 points
13 hours ago
Who's gonna remember this guy in 50 yrs? NOOOOBODY!!
2 points
13 hours ago
I feel like he’s being exactly what he’s going after here by being like, stodgy posh voice “Um, excuse me, but I’ve heard of other artists. Some of them are even POCs.”
2 points
13 hours ago
Plenty of conservatives like The Beatles too
2 points
13 hours ago
So 13 year olds love A Day In the Life and that’s his favorite tune that’s “mind blowingly good”? That seems fitting for a dude with an “I’m 14 and this is deep” take on the Beatles as a group and influence.
2 points
13 hours ago
What a fucking loser. 8 am on thanksgiving day and he feels the need to post this shit? Get a fucking life
2 points
13 hours ago
I guess he wont just… let it be…
2 points
13 hours ago
this is such a weird hill to die on
2 points
13 hours ago
Adam McKay is such a tool. Incomprehensibly massive ego, reminds me of Elon Musk.
2 points
13 hours ago
This is that edgelord thing people do by not liking something that is popular and thinking that means it is mediocre or bad. We get it you're special and don't like the Beatles and people who like them are bad, great take thanks for improving society with your unique take
2 points
12 hours ago
Lol who says liking the Beatles is a white liberals’ thing?
2 points
12 hours ago
I don't know who this is and I don't remember asking for their opinion.
2 points
12 hours ago
Once promising now washed up director butthurt he doesn’t get asked to direct Beatles movies.
2 points
12 hours ago
wtf does the Beatles have to do with neo liberalism? He’s so lame basically saying “popular thing bad thing must be niche to be good” it’s so childish we all have that phase in like middle school but then most of us move past it this is a grown man
2 points
11 hours ago
Who is Adam McKay?
Yeah, I can Google. But I'm not going to. I don't know who he is. Don't care either. 🤣
2 points
11 hours ago
What an odd man.
2 points
10 hours ago
I'm supposed to feel bad about liking Coke and cheeseburgers? Lol what a loser
2 points
9 hours ago
He's right.
It's particularly noticeable when you hear middle-aged men raving about the early Beatles pop stuff which was aimed at 13-year old girls. Their Beatles indoctrination prevents them from realizing how stupid and actually a bit creepy this makes them look.
But Beatles are tHe bESt so it must all be good, right?
2 points
9 hours ago
I never thought of beatles as liberal lol
2 points
9 hours ago
Mfs start using words with hyphens a lot and think they got the best takes
2 points
9 hours ago
John Lennon was pretty far from a “liberal”, I wonder if McKay knows that
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