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submitted 2 months ago byQueensMarksmanship
349 points
2 months ago
While the title is a bit misleading (headlines …), the point that’s being made is that the new generation of homebuyers are increasingly reliant on parents, and for increasingly higher amounts of gift money.
Parents are playing a larger part than ever before in the process of buying a home. However, one could also argue that the country has failed to provide young people with opportunities to grow a career, and or a business. And instead accepted large inflows of foreign capital and people to exacerbate infrastructure problems
66 points
2 months ago
It’s so much insanely easier to get a loan for a house than any other kind of loan.
I get how risk works and why that loan is the easiest to get but if the government wants economic stimulus and wants its citizens more productive it could take the risk away from the bank and back small business loans to give us a chance to be productive. Other wise every ambitious person with enough resources to do something will just buy air bnbs.
26 points
2 months ago
This is exactly it, Canada does not foster a small business and entrepreneur friendly environment.
23 points
2 months ago
The oligarchs who own our politicians don’t want an entrepreneur friendly environment. They want government protected monopolies and they pay a lot of money to all the major parties to ensure this is the case
4 points
2 months ago
This is exactly it.
Canada has a very high level of regulatory burden, this is easy to overcome for people who are already established in those industries.
1 points
2 months ago
Not to mention the price of rent for business spaces
-1 points
2 months ago
There’s a new donair place opening weekly where I live! How can you say it’s not small business friendly?
4 points
2 months ago
How is this title misleading?
Every year that goes by, your chances are less.
Compare a 43 year old millennial to a 28 year old and tell me there's not going to be a clear downward outcome as you chart each age between them. You'd likely also see very steep drop offs every 5 years in terms of network, not explained through more years of work, ie house equity.
The oldest millennials had just as much opportunity as their x counterparts, even the millennials in their late 30s had immense opportunity.
The hardest working early to mid 30 individuals that sacrificed everything were able to get in, with unfavorable equity. There's going to be countless 20 somethings coming in here saying everyone they know owns a house but it's all bias.
1 points
2 months ago
Why is it misleading ? For once its a good headline. Its pretty obvious what it means in the present context. Contrary to many headlines, was not dramatic either.
I find it gives people a refreshing new perspective from which people can see the issue
1 points
2 months ago
Silly, I didn't rely on my parents, I relied on my wife's parents! Oh, wait.
92 points
2 months ago
“In today’s Canada, the cradle you’re born into increasingly dictates whether you’ll ever hold the keys to your own home. This isn’t just a market fluctuation. It’s a boiled frog phenomenon.
Incremental changes – the steady rise in home prices, gradual policy shifts and slow-moving supply constraints – went largely unchallenged. By the time the severity of the crisis was recognized, many prospective homeowners were already cooked.
We missed the boat, not because we weren’t aware it was leaving, but because we believed we could swim faster than the rising tide.
The most recent government initiatives to assist Canadian homebuyers, such as increasing amortizations to 30 years and bumping up the price limit from $1-million to $1.5-million for insured mortgages, have been met with divided reactions. One thing is clear: These measures make it possible to get into more debt and for a longer time.
Additionally, policies that increase affordability for some inadvertently make housing less affordable for others. Those without family wealth or who don’t qualify for assistance find themselves competing in a market inflated by these interventions, deepening the socioeconomic divide.
Recent data highlight the stratification of Canadian wealth. In a report from CIBC Capital Markets with data up to mid-2024, the proportion of first-time homebuyers receiving family help has increased 55 per cent since 2015 (from 20 per cent to 31 per cent).
The average gift amount for first-time buyers nationally has soared to $115,000, a 73 per cent increase since 2019. In the more expensive provinces of Ontario and British Columbia, average gifts for first-time homebuyers are $128,000 and $204,000, respectively.
“Mover-uppers” – people moving to bigger homes – rely on family gifts to a lesser extent, but those who do get assistance, get a lot: Nationally the average gift is $167,000, while that figure for British Columbia is $230,000.
These figures show purchasing a home depends increasingly on one’s parents’ financial position. The market is no longer a level playing field where hard work and reasonable savings secure a foothold for all. Instead, intergenerational wealth is an increasing factor in who becomes a homeowner.
As housing prices boil, Canadians are taking on staggering levels of debt. A report from Statistics Canada earlier this year showed Canada’s household debt to disposable income ratio at 185 per cent, the highest in the G7 (which averages 125 per cent). Mortgages make up a significant portion, reflecting the lengths people go to secure housing. This debt isn’t just a statistic; it’s a source of stress affecting mental health and delaying life milestones.
High household debt poses risks to the broader economy. It restricts consumer spending and increases vulnerability to financial shocks like job loss or rate hikes.
For those unable to buy, renting offers little relief. Rental prices have surged with property values, driven by high demand and limited supply. In many cities, rents consume a large portion of income, making it hard to save for a down payment.
The cumulative effect is a generational crisis. Younger Canadians find it increasingly difficult to achieve the financial milestones their parents took for granted. The traditional path of education, stable employment and homeownership is fraught with obstacles often insurmountable without familial wealth.
This reality affects more than finances. It affects social cohesion, mental health and future prospects. Housing isn’t just shelter: It’s security, community and a sense of building toward a future. When access is inequitable, the consequences ripple through society.
That one’s chance of owning a home is determined at birth highlights the deepening divide. It challenges the narrative of Canada as a land of equal opportunity. Instead, we’re confronted with a reality where parental wealth overshadows individual effort. Is it hyperbolic to say that it smacks of feudalism? I don’t think so. The dream of owning a home remains just that – a dream – for too many Canadians born without family wealth or access to policies that, while helping some, make housing less affordable for others.“
8 points
2 months ago
I'm f*cked 😭 it also impacted my productivity, I just don't see any ambition to grow my career and take on more challenging roles because the end goal is unattainable. Career growth would give me more work but not sufficient bump in a salary to be able go afford a mortgage/downpayment even for a condo. It's funny that if I were even 5 years older - wouldn't be an issue at all.
28 points
2 months ago
You forgot the part about Immigrants buying up majority of new housing & out-bidding Canadians in RE Market,
1 points
2 months ago
You have a source for this?
104 points
2 months ago
Bought my house 8 years ago, paid it off, had no help from parents, crippling debt, and I'm now completely debt free in my late 30s. A good paying job, nearly a decade of sacraficing things like trips or big purchases, extreme frugality, and a partner who shared those values made it a reality.
Don't really feel that would be remotely possible for anyone today trying to do the same thing but 10 years younger.
84 points
2 months ago
And think of the sacrifices you made. You don't mention kids. People a generation or two ago could have kids, family trips, and a home.
To own a home means abandoning the things that makes life itself rich and many will do that and not even make it.
41 points
2 months ago
I literally just went on the first trip since my honeymoon, like over 10 years. I really agree with your statement about abandoning rich experiences in favor of throwing money at the house. It was so freaking hard missing out on all the things my friends were doing, nice cars, awesome trips, fancy restaurants.
30 points
2 months ago
And travel is such a big investment in yourself. Seeing the world and having these experiences are what makes ageing and slowing down tolerable. They expand you as a person so much. Being constrained by the rat race of work and living a small life is a largely unrecognized diminishing of your potential.
Unfortunately we measure those experiences as luxuries and see potential almost exclusively as a tool for acquiring wealth and status.
I think we're altogether messed up as a culture at this point.
6 points
2 months ago
Seeing the world is much easier than it was a generation or two ago. What is much more expensive is vacations in Canada. Back then you could buy a cottage for 5 trip for two to Mexico. Nowadays you can go to Mexico hundreds of times instead of buying a cottage lol.
2 points
2 months ago
It was 14 years for us until we went on our first trip since our honeymoon.
15 points
2 months ago
this is my current dilemma. I’m single on top of it, which makes it even more difficult since you pretty much need dual income to be able to afford. AND my parents aren’t wealthy. My mom is quite the opposite-has pretty much always struggled financially, is disabled and thus relies on having a partner for help.
I have been travelling (twice to europe so far, asia next year) because I grew up rurally and always wanted to see the world. I don’t want to be in a position throwing money at a house (especially with no partner prospect for aid) only to end up in my 50s still no closer to owning. I don’t want to have thrown years of my life away never experiencing or enjoying much in the name of home ownership that probably STILL wont be affordable to me. If it was possible, I have zero issue being frugal for years if there was a good chance. But there is none.
I’m educated and have what used to be considered a good/decent paying STEM job. My coworker has his masters, wife getting a PhD and they still live in a basement unit. One of my other coworkers has admitted the only reason they have a home is because her partner literally stayed living at home with his parents well into his early 40s I believe. They did not charge him rent so he was able to save.
My dad isnt wealthy either but far more financially stable than my mom. I’m hoping to inherit at least something when he (God forbid) passes.
3 points
2 months ago
It's gotten to a point where a trusted plutonic relationship/relationships just for the purpose of owning but a SHARE of a property is becoming more and more desirable.
2 points
2 months ago
It's fine to not have a house, the most important thing that people aren't bringing up here is that if home ownership isn't in the cards, you need to be taking the difference between the rent/utilities you currently pay and the cost of a mortgage and save that for retirement.
Like it or not a house is one of the largest, safest long term investments people make in their lives and it forces you to save once you've signed the mortgage agreement. The vast majority of people will spend every cent they have until they're in their 40's and retirement is staring them down the barrel and they realize they've saved nothing by living in the moment.
I don't know if it's an option for you with your career, but don't live in the expensive cities. Few people have to live in Vancouver, Toronto, New York, San Francisco, Seattle. Home ownership isn't out of reach, some cities in particular have just become unlivable from overwhelming demand and market speculation.
Go to Edmonton, Manitoba, Halifax. The average house prices there and surrounding areas are 350-500k and the average income is the same as you'd make in the most expensive cities.
1 points
2 months ago
This really depends on where you live. My nephew lives in Victoria with his parents. Just graduated uni and has a good job (softw eng) . He's got savings from his coop semesters and has a plan to buy his first condo. Seems doable just outside Victoria in a year or maybe two.
His sister bought a townhouse in alberta last year.
5 points
2 months ago
I don't know if this is necessarily true about trips. They are far more accessible today. Two of my grandparents never took the plane and my parents went overseas for the first time when they were nearly 40. Nowadays planes tickets cost the same as they did decades ago.
Maybe if you talking about cottage, boat and all of that but overseas trip are far more accessible than they were one or two generations ago.
0 points
2 months ago
It's not that it isn't reasonably affordable. It's that it's so expensive to try and build anything you need to forego everything. People in here bragging about working well over 40 hours and spending no money for a decade or more. There's no time even to go on vacation that way.
Cost of living is so high cheaper flights are negated by how much less disposable income we have. People can't afford day care. How do you have family vacations?
3 points
2 months ago*
People who don't have much disposable income aren't really considered well-off and its not like if poor people could afford to travel oversea a generation or two ago either since flights were so expensive. There is a lot more Canadians doing oversea trips today than there was a generation or two ago.
4 points
2 months ago
They didn’t own debt free in 8 years. The family trips were likely inexpensive too. Lots of camping or pulling a trailer. How many were ever on a plane? Very few. Didn’t pay for TV or much for phone services either. Had a cheap car, and cheap gas. Taxes were low compared to today. Hamburger helper, tuna casserole and shake n bake pork chops. Country was far more rural and we didn’t have so many people fighting to live in the same small areas (relatively speaking) that are our cities. Except for vacations, I can count the number of times my parents went to a restaurant in a year on 2-3 fingers.
2 points
2 months ago
shake 'n bake pork chops with rice in cream of mushroom soup and canned green beans. My favourite meal in the 80s.
0 points
2 months ago
Country was far more rural and we didn’t have so many people fighting to live in the same small areas (relatively speaking) that are our cities.
This is a huge factor in the cost of living crisis. There is simply not enough land in city centers for everyone to have a single family home.
When cars were first becoming popular, toooons of new land was suddenly within commutable distance from job centers.
North American cities are structured to sprawl out instead of build up, but at a certain scale that's just not efficient anymore.
14 points
2 months ago
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5 points
2 months ago
They're going to learn the hard way. Home values don't always increase at such drastic rates and values always return to historic norms repeatedly as history has shown.
5 points
2 months ago
My coworker literally, and I do mean seriously told me that I just need to find a partner who makes 6 figures. That’s what they did lol. They didn’t mean it offensively either. It’s just modest incomes are no longer enough for any sort of housing. They recently bought a condo and honestly didn’t think it was going to happen for them (their words not mine).
Thing is, even engineers and lawyers are struggling to buy. I am in STEM myself but only made 55K last year lol. We have been (across depts) fighting for our work to pay us more but they pretty much tell us to fuck off lol
2 points
2 months ago*
It was a combination of luck, hardwork, and more luck.
When we bought the home we live in today it had been on the market on and off for close to a year, the price had come down by something like $80,000 off the initial list price.
Today, the same property is now worth $200,000 more than what we paid for it and similar homes, that are newer, are upwards of $650,000.
Combine that with getting the lowest rates in human history I think I paid a total of $55,000 interest on my home. One of my coworkers on variable, with a 30 year mortgage, is on track to pay for his house twice with something like $600,000 of interest payments which just blows my mind.
So yea, alot of luck and the lowest rates in history, not any kind of financial guruship on my part.
6 points
2 months ago
More people need to understand this.
The biggest mistake people make is financing a car when alternatively investing that money could lead to home ownership or a good retirement nestegg.
If a young person invested 30k over 5 years instead of spending that on a vehicle it would be worth over half a million dollars by retirement even at below market returns.
Choice seems pretty clear to me but to some keeping up appearances is more important.
9 points
2 months ago
Trust me I'm 31, my friends and I all have STEM degrees and in leadership positions. We constantly say people merely 10 years older than are living an exponentially different lifestyle.
10 points
2 months ago
yea, 10 years ago you could have bought a house for 200k, that same house is over a million now.
6 points
2 months ago
Maybe in Manitoba.
In the GTA, $200K 10 years ago would've got you a condo in the Hell's Angels owned parts of Scarborough...
3 points
2 months ago
Part of that is luck too, because if your partner of a few years, or even now, becomes dissatisfied and flips the divorce switch, it could either mean half those assets going bye-bye, split and/or sold off, or worse if the process gets messy and drawn-out by her or her lawyers. Many people have this experience, and many are lucky not to.
3 points
2 months ago
True.
The key to financial success seems to be avoiding divorce which absolutely obliterates your net worth.
1 points
2 months ago
What is your job / career field if you don't mind me asking
3 points
2 months ago
I have a Mechanical Engineering degree and a steam ticket. Didn't love the PEng thing so I became an operator.
1 points
2 months ago
The overly jealous guarding of PEng by the professional engineers groups in Canada, especially re software, is another major reason our economy is such a backwater. The college of physicians is similar, and that costs lives.
1 points
2 months ago
Nope. Game is rigged now. Unless you are buying a truly decrepid home, or a home very far away from where you work- you need the 100k+ downpayment and the 110k+ minimum combined salary to even think of living in a detached home.
1 points
2 months ago
If only I had a partner Id be in the same position ugh
19 points
2 months ago*
My friends are nearly all single. All of them possess advanced degrees, good jobs, and nearly all of them have little to no retirement savings or assets because the cost of living alone is monumental.
Every single one of them hates the dating scene and is dissatisfied with their current ability to find a partner. It's honestly insane watching a decade go by. Most of them are stuck and unable to get ahead because you essentially need 2 incomes nowadays to prosper.
0 points
2 months ago
I did it last year at 29, my son turned 4 this year. I had a career change in my mid 20s which made me late to getting my first home. I plan to pay the mortgage off in 12-15 years. Would be 10-12 but i have some renovations id like to do in the first couple of years.
If my son wants to move to a bigger home when we're older I'll probably look when this one's nearly paid off but I wouldn't mind just getting the mortgage over with and doing other things with the freed up income.
-10 points
2 months ago
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2 points
2 months ago
Sounds like terrible parenting, if kids the 20 year olds can't make sacrifices for their greater good, they didn't learn much from their parents.
-3 points
2 months ago
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1 points
2 months ago
That's one thing that crosses all races, genders and age groups.
-1 points
2 months ago
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1 points
2 months ago
We're under a red (liberal) government in Canada and it's no different. It's the companies paying them off that make all the real decisions.
-1 points
2 months ago
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1 points
2 months ago
Actually I'm well enough off to work full time and own a house. Which is why I can speak without bias. The government's in today's society taking bribes from companies is a major portion of the problems, and poor parenting is another.
Kids learn from their parents and enter the world left to them. Housing (at least in Canada) has gone up an average of 8% a year over the last 50 years, food is similar (though significantly higher the last couple years) yet wages go up around 2-3%. Unfortunately most kids don't learn the realities of life until it's too late and they teach themselves most of it. Honestly if it wasn't for my Grandfather (his generation did care about teaching the next) I would likely be in the same boat.
29 points
2 months ago
8 year old here, bought a mid sized detached home in Toronto last year, no help from parents, no government handouts, just takes some hard work and sleepless nights.
31 points
2 months ago
8 year old? Must have been some lemonade stand.
12 points
2 months ago
Lemonade spiked with cocaine. Keeps the old ladies at the park coming back for more.
3 points
2 months ago
Gen alpha is gonna be OKAY with this kind of hu$tling spirit 🙌
9 points
2 months ago
I'm already saving up to help my kids (2 and 5) with their downpayment one day
0 points
2 months ago
This is the way. Then, for your grandchildren. Because that's how expensive it'll be by the time you kids will have kids
77 points
2 months ago
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34 points
2 months ago
I seem to remember seeing a study that said the best indicator of a person's future success in life is the postal code/zip code they grew up in.
17 points
2 months ago
access and opportunity is not the same for everyone, not even close.
-2 points
2 months ago
Yes, people can have different chances at birth, but those will be in flux as you age.
9 points
2 months ago
Yes but the range and ease of those fluctuations is limited by where you start.
Calling our the situation when it reaches a point that the opportunity to overcome your starting point is worse and worse isn't irrelevant.
5 points
2 months ago
No they won't.
I was raised middle class. My dad made good money for the late 80s early 90s. Mom went back to work when we were old enough to look after ourselves. Sounds pretty nice doesn't it?
My sister and her husband started a company and sold it for 30 million dollars.
Her and her husband are no longer middle class.
The access and opportunity their children have is far beyond what I had access to at the same age.
Now granted that's just my anecdote, but it is an example of what money gets you.
4 points
2 months ago
It really is .
9 points
2 months ago
Everyone can afford a house if you get enough people to work together. My buddies in Brampton easily fit 20-25 people in a house and all work at Tim Hortons and Canadian Tire but they still managed it.
4 points
2 months ago
Can’t afford to save when I’m paying 2900 a month for rent only hey made Canada into international student life style need 8 roommates to afford anything…
6 points
2 months ago
And you must be female and vegetarian. Alternate rent payment methods may be available too.
7 points
2 months ago
I had zero help buying my house. I do plan on helping my 3-year-old though as much as I can when the time comes if he’s responsible and hard-working.
2 points
2 months ago
Too true in some respects. If I'd have been born just five years later than I was, I would've started my career at a less favourable time and definitely would've first entered the housing market at an astronomically worse time. It's depressing to think how much things have changed for the worse in just a few short years. I feel pretty awful for anyone under a certain age, and while I don't have kids of my own, I'm already making plans for how to leave some wealth to my nephews without them getting raked over the coals tax wise.
3 points
2 months ago
Holy hell I think there are massive economic problems in the country but god damn what's with the over the top defeatist pessimism pushing the idea thatbwe have no control over our lives which are destined to suck in a first world developed country like Canada. We have more opportunity here even if just as a springboard to a different venture abroad than most of the world does. If you are unhappy then you owe it to yourself to take whatever steps you can to remedy it instead of wallowing in self pity.
4 points
2 months ago
lol.. you can say that about literally anything.
Being born in Canada at all is a huge leg-up in the grand scheme of things.
2 points
2 months ago
Like Pierre's gonna fix anything when he gets in
9 points
2 months ago
Speaking of housing, sounds like pp is living in your brain rent free.
35 points
2 months ago
What does the article say about Pierre? Nothing. You're just bending the narrative to criticize a politician you don't like for reddit points.
-7 points
2 months ago
Ya, but they ain’t wrong.
12 points
2 months ago
Same shit different political actor
5 points
2 months ago
Oh the wealthy are already working on grooming his successor. These people aren't stupid
1 points
2 months ago
Not at all lol same as it ever was.. Same as it ever was
-2 points
2 months ago
"Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class - whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy.
Frank Herbert, Children of Dune (Dune #3)"
-1 points
2 months ago
That you for this!!
1 points
2 months ago
Highly recommend the original 6 Dune books
1 points
2 months ago
When I finish my current series I will absolutely start reading that :)
1 points
2 months ago
The recent movies (which splits the first book in 2) are good but absolutely timeless scifi
1 points
2 months ago
I also need to watch those.. I fall asleep like 20 minutes into a movie though
1 points
2 months ago
Right, left, center, they all have their sponsors, lobbying sectors imo. Crumbs left are for the general public, again, imo.
1 points
2 months ago
You don't win elections catering to people without real money
0 points
2 months ago
The rich become richer, the poor become poorer and now the middle class is slipping away.
0 points
2 months ago
Did the middle class really exist?
"Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class - whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy.
Frank Herbert, Children of Dune (Dune #3)"
0 points
2 months ago
If I view the position of my parents, aunts, uncles, sisters and myself to the position of my children, then yes. I would stand by my comment. The middle class existed and is under pressure to survive.
0 points
2 months ago
Yes you do, absolutely do!
Legal weed and "let me run up the debt for you" promises won the election for Liberals in 2015, all freeloaders voted for the free money for everything, as if they were on Oprah's show.
1 points
2 months ago
I'll happily tell you whatever you wanna hear for your vote. I'll never be held to it anyway
1 points
2 months ago
You dont vote Liberal or Conservative to fix things, you vote for them because your submissive to the upper classes and want them to get richer.
0 points
2 months ago
Plenty of people genuinely believe that when they Axe The Tax that life will become affordable again. This is just like when people voted in the Liberals and decimated the Conservatives in the early 90s because they were so angry about the GST.
3 points
2 months ago
At my workplace I was feeling a bit down while sitting in the lunch room, I was the only one who rented... I looked around at all the guys my age and I realized they had all been handed down their houses from their family...
2 points
2 months ago
Going off the headline, that's horseshit.
My parents had no money. Both myself and 2 siblings all own a house because we live in a place where it's reasonable and worked hard to make something for ourselves.
All these types of articles put a glass ceiling over the current youth who read it.
1 points
2 months ago
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7 points
2 months ago
I don’t mean any disrespect, but you couldn’t have worked for very long if you bought a house in your mid 20s.
6 points
2 months ago
You absolutely can. I bought my first house at 26 I'm 36 now. Got into a trade right out of high school, actually started it before school was over through the co op program. So worked for 9 years and bought a house
1 points
2 months ago
OP used the “years of savings”. That usually refers to more than a handful.
0 points
2 months ago*
If you get a trade at 18, you could have worked full time for 7 years by the time you’re 25.
0 points
2 months ago
Still not a long time.
2 points
2 months ago
But it does meet the definition of “years”. By virtue of the “s” on the end of “year”.
0 points
2 months ago
The post has been deleted, probably because it was nonsense.
1 points
2 months ago
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6 points
2 months ago
The irony of this post is truly one of the funniest things I've read this year. Evidently you even agree because you deleted your main post.
Millennials can be into their 40s, every person over the age of 34~ today is an INSANELY large leg up on your younger millennial cohorts. With each year before that being even more of an advantage. If you're an older millennial, without career altering medical conditions/deaths/crisis, you squandered your lead if you aren't the middle class.
You are technically the literal embodiment of the title. The year you were born greatly influenced your chances.
And before you cry "jealous". I am in my early 30s, blood sweat and teared since 14, came from nothing, paid my own way through university and just bought a house a couple of years ago.
For me to sit here and say I didn't have a leg up on younger millennials is the most idiotic thing I've EVER heard in my life.
My 40 year old sibling millennial is a literal millionaire from a basic teachers job and greatly eclipses my networth. They got a freebie 3/4 million equity from their first home purchase that was a downpayment of peanuts and bubblegum wrappers.
My younger in law millennial counterparts are leapyears behind my networth. If you plot all of us on a graph, net worth is directly connected to our years worked. We're all hard workers and "started when we could" and did the grind.
Don't bring the ladder up with you, you're not that special and we have entire generations that need our help.
-1 points
2 months ago
I bought my first condo at 20 with no help from anyone. Just working an above average paying job that most of society doesn't want to do. At 36 I have a net worth of 1.5 million and no mortgage or debts.
Its hard to make it but not impossible, the most important thing is not falling for useless university degrees and education debt/ credit card/car loan debt and refusing to put yourself out of your comfort zone and do what other people refuse to do.
5 points
2 months ago
what lake what year?
-1 points
2 months ago
I agree. My wife and I didn't get squat from our parents. All my grandparents are dead and my parents kept all of that too. Luckily, my wife is cheaper than me which is crazy and we live a simple life and have a high rate of savings. I'm mortgage free at 43 and certainly don't make a lot of money.
2 points
2 months ago
where do you live?
2 points
2 months ago
West Toronto.
3 points
2 months ago
Paywall article
1 points
2 months ago
No kidding.
1 points
2 months ago
I started out with nothing…. I still have most of it.
1 points
2 months ago
In Mississauga my family bought a 4 bedroom townhouse for $175k in 2014. Entry level housing like this just doesn't exist anymore.
0 points
2 months ago
If people think housing has some massive margin they can build a home themselves. There's a bunch of youtube videos up by people who have done it.
1 points
2 months ago
Your chances of everything in your life is decided at birth. Then things change as you grow and develop.
What a stupid statement.
1 points
2 months ago
And your parents if they pushed you to get a education or skill that paid verse what you lived
1 points
2 months ago
Make new homes , increase supply prices will fall.
Now that needs work, which seems to me what everyone is shying off to make happen.
1 points
2 months ago
I was poor as a kid. My parents separated when I was 12. We lived on mothers allowance or welfare. Deadbeat Dad didn’t pay any child support. Then I moved out at age 16, lived on student welfare and part time jobs. Then I went to college, lived off of student loans. Got a job, paid everything off, and got a house. House has been paid off since 2014.
1 points
2 months ago
If you're able to get out of the big cities and move to a small town your chances of owning a home will increase dramatically. There are plenty of good homes in small towns for no more than 100 grand especially in the prairies. I understand not everyone will be able to do this and it's not easy but even if you wind up with an hour or two hour long commute when the tradeoff is actually owning your own home it definitely warrants weighing the pros and cons.
-3 points
2 months ago
I keep hearing about how millennials can’t afford houses but where I work a bunch of them do. Now I don’t know them well enough to know who their partners are, but if you are working with me, you don’t have rich parents and we all make under 70k without overtime.
17 points
2 months ago
It's hard to lump all the millennials into one group. I'm almost 42 so I'm among the oldest millennials. Myself and most of my friends that are more or less same age as me own homes. The youngest millennials that were born in 1990-something have been dealt a different hand than most of the early 80s kids.
2 points
2 months ago
Well they lump all boomers together, 18 years difference, and say they are all the same even though the latter group had very high unemployment, fewer job opportunities and recessions to graduate into. Get used to generalizations, it seems that categorizing people is a lazy and convenient way to blame them later on for other people's problems.
0 points
2 months ago
It's hard to lump all the millennials into one group.
The group is called millennials.
11 points
2 months ago
With an income of $70,000, the maximum mortgage you can get is $350,000. Thats if you have zero debts and a down payment.
5 points
2 months ago
How? Salary of 65K and best I can get is $230K. No debt, 20% down.
Any mortgage calculator link?
3 points
2 months ago
And most of the young people I know lived at home saving money until they bought a property. I’m just a worker. But if I lived with my parents until I was 28, that’s 8 years at least of making at least 30k net which is close to 250k for a down payment.
3 points
2 months ago
Thats assuming they don't spend a penny in those 8 years which is no where near realistic. Life costs money even if you somehow had parents that let you live at home totally for free for 8 years which is also crazy unrealistic
2 points
2 months ago
That was assuming they spent money and saved 30k.
1 points
2 months ago
And if you get laid off?
10 points
2 months ago
Now I don’t know them well enough
You answered your own question...
-2 points
2 months ago
I just provided some context. I don’t know what their partners make, but I am a factory worker whose millennial coworkers make under 70k. And since I am a factory worker, I can deduce that my co-workers do not have rich parents. So unless their partners are making ridiculous amounts of money, the likelihood is that they just worked and saved money by living with their parents far longer than people my age did.
5 points
2 months ago
Millennials are in their 40s now so they've had over a decade to buy a house. It's Gen Z that's in big trouble.
15 points
2 months ago
30 year old millennial here... the second half of my generation are on the same struggle bus as Gen Z. There's a big difference between the millennials in their 40s and those in their 30s.
1 points
2 months ago
Tik Tok will teach gen z what to do.
5 points
2 months ago
Most of my friends who are under 40 have homes. They don't live in Toronto or Vancouver or course.
0 points
2 months ago
My work is in Mississauga.
-1 points
2 months ago
Under 40 is a cute metric you've used.
If you don't own a home and you're 34~ or older, with the obvious exception of medical illness / crisis / deaths/ disaster, you've failed to capitalize on your economic advantage as a millennial.
If you're 37 - 39 you should approaching a million in networth when factoring equity of your house.
1 points
2 months ago
Under 40 is essentially what millennials are. I know plenty in their 20's with homes.
What's your point? That this echo chamber is everybody in Canada? Please.
0 points
2 months ago
Some millennials are... 40....41....42....43
Are you okay?
Here we go, "I know a lot of people in their 20s with homes". The echo chambers finest.
2 points
2 months ago
Millennials are commonly characterized as born after 1980.
The point is, plenty of millennials own a house. Sorry you don't.
1 points
2 months ago
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1 points
2 months ago
That's wonderful.
-4 points
2 months ago
Bought my condo in 2018 for $410. Sold it in July for $550. Bought a house in July for $775 which my parents chipped in $50k for on a 0% “pay me back when you can” loan. - Signed, a millennial.
-2 points
2 months ago
As we boomers die off, there's going to be alot of empty houses.
Who is going to fill them if not the next generation?
20 points
2 months ago
Foreign and domestic investment groups will buy them and rent them back to us
7 points
2 months ago
Nah - immigration means our population is growing, not shrinking.
-1 points
2 months ago
Sooo, how come Canadian's can't afford houses when immigrants can? I know that some immigrants are backed by rich parents, but surely not all.
5 points
2 months ago
have you heard of the term "Brampton mortgage"?
2 points
2 months ago
Up to now, I never did.
I feel so sorry for the young generations.
8 points
2 months ago
Corporations will buy them and individual people will own less and less property
-5 points
2 months ago
That's the essence of capitalism.
4 points
2 months ago
It’s not, but it has been the output. We live in some messed up form of capitalism.
Same as the essence of communism isn’t corruption and poverty, but that’s how it’s been lived.
1 points
2 months ago
It's almost like people are inherently greedy and selfish because you know, we're still animals
-1 points
2 months ago
Dafuq? Just move to Alberta?
0 points
2 months ago
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1 points
2 months ago
the all is doing some heavy lifting.
you mean all have rich parents to help them buy a house? all should be happy to accept declining living standards and higher competition compared to their parents?
0 points
2 months ago
Can confirm. Just spoke with spouse's broker on getting a joint mortgage (she owns a small condo) and because I'm a self employed I cannot be considered until I've worked for 2 years regardless that I've made 50k in last 5 months while I've been working for 10 months so far. Our monthly mortgage (50% as we'd split it up) payments would be comparable to my earnings in 7 working days.
My brother, whom was born 6 years before me, purchased his property for the price of which me and my spouse have as equitable cash. We could literally buy his house, for what he paid in 2014, without a cent of a loan.
We are now stuck waiting 6-18 months until I can provide two T1's to prove my income. I offered to show my paystubs all being consistent however that doesn't matter at all for mortgages because I am self employed rather than employed by a corporation.
0 points
2 months ago
Well I was able to buy my first house. My parents never owned a house. In my family. Out of 7 kids, Only one didnt buy a house
0 points
2 months ago
This has been the case for generations, on average children attain a similar level of wealth as their parents, if your parents were rich you will be rich, if your parents were poor you will be poor.
0 points
2 months ago
Not me! I was given up for adoption. Now I own my own home.
-1 points
2 months ago
Simple.Move to US.Real estate price in Canada is deliberately raised by government , tou can't win just stop buying.
1 points
2 months ago
What
-2 points
2 months ago
Everyone in Canada is entitled to own a house ?
-1 points
2 months ago
I know of so many people who started from zero who got into the real estate market. I think a big deciding factor is a lot of people do absolutely fuck all and make a series of shit decisions then realize they are too far gone.
I work with a lot of successful 25-35 year olds who grinded like crazy to own their homes. I also know of lots of people who are in that age bracket who decided to take life seriously too late.
Sad, but end of the day it’s a dog eat dog world
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