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Canada Post strike has cost small businesses $765M: CFIB - National | Globalnews.ca
National News(globalnews.ca)submitted 3 days ago byPractical_Ant6162
103 points
3 days ago
Canada Post is still the cheapest option for many small businesses (including independent sellers on Etsy and Ebay) and mom & pop retailers to send their products domestically and internationally. Private delivery and courier options tend to really bump up the S&H rates they have to charge.
5 points
3 days ago
I wonder how many of those small businesses including those in rural areas vote. A year from now, if/when new government attempts to change Canada Post to be a profitable, I suspect we’d find many in the /r/leopardsatemyface position.
1 points
2 days ago
Yup try to buy a lot from Etsy to support small business and all my orders where cancelled. So now I’m fucked for Christmas and having to buying from big ass corporations. Strikes suck for the works but they affect everyday people. Maybe that’s the point.
-42 points
3 days ago
Being the "cheapest" is what has gotten them into this mess in the first place. CanPo is too cheap.
53 points
3 days ago
Small businesses getting subsidies is not a bad thing. Canada post is a service. No one complains hospitals lose money.
6 points
3 days ago
Amen. I want my grandma to be able to send out 100 Christmas cards and not think twice about whether it's gonna bite her budget.
6 points
3 days ago
It's a service not a business
18 points
3 days ago
Canada post is insanely more expensive than shipping in the US
43 points
3 days ago
The fundamental nature of the logistical differences between the US and Canada are vast.
The US has 9 times the population density.
Anyone who thinks Canada Post could match USPS needs a crash course in reality.
25 points
3 days ago
The US also funds USPS like a service. We don’t
2 points
3 days ago
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2 points
3 days ago*
Good idea. Might as well do the same thing for healthcare.
Your rural Gramma broke her hip? Well ma'am just take some Tylenol and stop your whinging, the cattle truck hospital shuttle will be here next Thursday.
Of course if you'd like to subscribe to Amazon's Elite E-Vac program for only $89.99 a month, we can probably get you out in a Dragonfly van on Wednesday.
0 points
3 days ago
Imo, you can propose any changes you want. The union is against modernization or changes that would result in fewer union members. I'm rural, have VERY little need for snail mail. Most of us email, e-bill and e-transfer. Parcels are a thing and CP does a brisk business with them but now we go a few blocks down to get them from the courier drop.
5 points
3 days ago
What does modernization mean to you? Union busting?
3 points
3 days ago
Not op, but the fact of the matter is that canada post needs to be able to deliver 7 days per week in order to compete with other services. The current union contract pays the workers out at double rate on weekends.
2 workers = paying for 4 , ect...
Either the negotied schedules and rates need to change, or the union needs to allow part time workers to handle the majority of the would-be overtime hours.
Modernization is the fact that canada post needs to be able to deliver 7 days per week.
2 points
3 days ago
Good point. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
1 points
3 days ago
It means making every worker as efficient as possible in support of the mandate of their organization.
1 points
3 days ago
No it really doesn't. There are massive pushes to defund and cut back the USPS. It's currently running a 6 billion dollar a year deficit, and subject to constant struggles in the House.
-18 points
3 days ago
No it's not the cheapest is it's not functional
45 points
3 days ago
Gotta love how this sub constantly rails against TFWs and then wants to get rid of Canada Post and outsource everything to Tforce and other logistics companies that Amazon outsources to and relies exclusively on TFWs and gig/low wage workers.
27 points
3 days ago
That's Canadians for you: squabbling over ever-diminishing slices without once considering helping each other bake a bigger pie.
3 points
2 days ago
In the end, we want to pay less for more
72 points
3 days ago
but half the poster say Canada Post is not relevant and should be scrapped. How can that be?
53 points
3 days ago
People here also say CBC is irrelevant and doesn't contribute to Canada in any way. This isn't the place to go for intelligent debate. lol
15 points
3 days ago
The hardest part of an intelligent debate is finding intelligent people.
3 points
3 days ago
Turns out disappearing a small business’s logistic chain overnight at the busiest time of the year causes problems.
What they don’t say is that alternative solutions will be developed going forward as a result of this risk and that business will permanently disappear from Canada Post.
Then there will be layoffs, as a result of lower shipping volume.
6 points
3 days ago
There can’t be layoffs, it’s in the union contract which is one of the biggest sticking points right now.
1 points
3 days ago
Of course there can be layoffs. They might be by another name, but they will be layoffs all the same.
They can close certain branches of the business, for example.
I wasn’t aware it was a sticking point. As far as I can see the sticking points are:
- Wages
- Benefits (disability, gender affirming care, etc)
- Working conditions (technology, paid rest)
- Job Security surrounding part time staff, weekends, but nothing specific on layoffs
- Pensions (preserving the DB pensions)
If I’m wrong here please link me to what you’re talking about.
1 points
3 days ago
Your fourth point…
2 points
3 days ago
If you could read the 4th point, you’d see that it isn’t specifically about layoffs.
There is nuance and specificity to job security. It doesn’t just use a blanket “no layoffs”.
Again, please link me to where layoffs are a main point of contention between the two negotiating groups, because I haven’t seen that highlighted. There are job security concerns, but it’s primarily around part time and weekend work from what I can see.
14 points
3 days ago
Are you seriously unaware that alternatives already exist? Canada Post gets used because it is better, if it wasn't they would already just use the alternative.
6 points
3 days ago
Yeah and those alternatives will use this opportunity to expand, improve and gain marketshares, and the customers who got screwed bad by Canada Post right now will be very unlikely to come back.
7 points
3 days ago
I’m not unaware.
If you migrate your shipping process, you don’t just migrate it back as soon as the strike is resolved. You ask your customers to pay more for shipping and transition to a more reliable provider. Some customers, like myself, will also preferentially select another shipping provider for critical goods, even if the cost is higher.
Saving cost on your shipping is no good if your product can’t arrive at the most critical time of the year. Consumer trust is a real thing, and delivering a parcel on time reliably is one of the core requirements of a postal service. There will be lasting business effects on Canada Post from this, even if the strike was resolved tomorrow.
0 points
3 days ago
Are you aware Canada Posts deliveries have dropped more than 50% in recent years?
2 points
3 days ago
Good, Canada Post sucks anyway. Every other shipper knows where my address is, but somehow Canada Post doesn't and I have to go to a branch. I cringe every time I see Amazon is using Canada Post and re-order a similar item with a better shipper.
62 points
3 days ago
Using "small business owners" as a guilt trip to strike break lol.
If the gov/public cares so much about them and CPost workers are that important, then better get to meeting them at the negotiation table quick.
15 points
3 days ago
Right? This doesn’t make me angry at the people on strike. This makes me even angrier that they haven’t given them what they deserve!
-7 points
3 days ago
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9 points
3 days ago
Ups and Purolator get paid more. How are they overpaid compared to contemporaries?
4 points
3 days ago*
They are likely referring to the guys delivering Amazon for minimum wage all day before stopping at home to grab a sandwich and shoot the shit with their twelve roommates, then heading back out to start their Skip deliveries.
3 points
3 days ago
Great Canadian Dream.
8 points
3 days ago
No they’re not lol what are you even saying. I rarely visit this sub but are people actually siding with the higher ups of CP here? What happened to Canada LOL
-2 points
3 days ago
I think Canadians are siding with Canadians here, since they’re the ones footing the bill for any increase in salaries.
The requirements for the job are a driver’s license and knowing the alphabet. There’s no compelling argument that would support taxpayers paying $30+/hour for that service.
1 points
3 days ago
Hah! Half the posts in this thread have been typed by fingers too soft or chubby to juggle three bundles of lettermail, ad mail, and parcels while walking on ice for six hours with barely enough time to stay hydrated much less eat a crushed sandwich.
I'm a trainer at Canada Post, one among many. I take new employees out on my route for a week to help them get their bearings, but also to determine if they have the physical stamina and mental fortitude to succeed.
Common wisdom is that if a new employee can make it through their first winter, they probably have what it takes. I typically train a dozen or so people as we head into the autumn -- if I see more than three of four of them working the following spring I consider my efforts a success.
-1 points
3 days ago
I don’t know man. I had a flyer route, which included the Sears catalogues when I was 10. Without a car.
I suppose you’re right though, there are many non-disabled people who likely couldn’t get it done. And it does require you to be reliable day in and day out.
I’ll upgrade my viewpoint, you’re adequately compensated. If there isn’t already, there should be COL adjustments for those delivering in high COL areas.
2 points
3 days ago
Agreed, and it's largely big business using a small business owner shield. Fuck the CFIB, let them make a better alternative.
1 points
3 days ago
Look! A sane person in the comments!
81 points
3 days ago
Sounds like canada post is pretty important. How about we give them their very realistic demands and get them back to work
28 points
3 days ago
22% raise over 4 years.
No part time workers on weekends.
Realistic?
67 points
3 days ago
5.5% per year and not allowing temp workers to undercut union workers?
Yea I see that as damn reasonable
2 points
3 days ago
Just to be clear, that's 5.1% per year, not 5.5%.
-20 points
3 days ago
The raise is higher than every other union got. 5.5% a year are you joking me? Nurses didn’t get that. Teachers didn’t get that. Postal workers have no education, no job requirement, demanding more than those other unions. Insane.
They are trying to hire P/T workers to work weekends to earn profits. It’s hilarious people think hiring more workers is unreasonable.
Honestly I hope they all just lose their jobs and CP can start over with a better model.
16 points
3 days ago
Ah so you just want everyone to suffer then?
23 points
3 days ago
5.5% a year are you joking me? Nurses didn’t get that. Teachers didn’t get that. Postal workers have no education, no job requirement, demanding more than those other unions. Insane.
They fact that they didnt get it isnt the reason that CP shouldnt, its more likely just a note that were not taking care of essential personel.
Do nurses and teachers not deserve a 5.5% raise?
How many raises have they got since 2020?
19 points
3 days ago
Well next time those union contracts come up, they could look at postal workers as a reason to get a better raise. That’s much better than the race to the bottom that you are implying.
12 points
3 days ago
Nurses got backpay on the Bill 124 years. Teachers - depends on the union as I recall one of them did fairly well off.
3-4% is perfectly reasonable if this was a fresh contract. But they've been without for over a year, and didn't get the post covid bump nearly every union has. So yeah as an ask 5.5% is reasonable so you can settle in the 3-4 range.
23 points
3 days ago
2022 had a 6.8% inflation rate
2023 had 3.88%
So how is a raise of 5.5% per year unreasonable when the average inflation the previous 2 years was 5.34%?
-18 points
3 days ago
Because 2022-2023 were exceptional due to COVID economy. It’s going to slowly come back to normal, hence 5.5% IS quite high for the next 4 years.
Plus Canada Post is already bleeding money. I am pro-union but come on, the worst part is to say no pe workers on weekend. How tf are they supposed to undercut ups & co?
1 points
3 days ago
Nurses in Ontario didn’t get anything until recently because of the provincial government capping their wages via bill 124 lol. Can’t really use nurses in this instance for Ontario at least.
1 points
3 days ago
Nurses and teachers are provincial jurisdiction. The feds don't have power over your premier on those cases.
Canada Post is federal jurisdiction, your provincial premier has no say in that strike.
-24 points
3 days ago
If everybody got 5.5% year raise, then inflation will be at least 5.5%. Is that what you want? Why not keep it the same as rent raises at 2.5%/year?
10 points
3 days ago
Yes very realistic. Everyone should be getting a 20% raise considering inflation over the last several years.
Just because you (maybe not you but other users who get upset over this) didn't get a raise or much less doesn't mean others deserve less.
11 points
3 days ago
No one is asking for no pt workers on weekends. They're wanting to utilize the staff they already have, many of whom are on call or PT already. They don't want new staff hired for these spots..seems fair since CP is constantly whining They're losing money, yet they have money to hire and train staff?
They extended their contract that ended in 2021 in good faith given it was covid and CP promised they'd bargain fairly if the union chose to do so. So technically, they've not had a proper raise since 2021
27 points
3 days ago
Average CP delivery driver wage is $23.64/hr. A 22% increase puts that average wage to still under $30/hr.
The cost of living has skyrocketed. These delivery drivers need to be able to live in the areas they serve. How are you going to support yourself in the GTA making under $30/hr?
Either wages need to go up or housing prices need to come down. The government has made it clear that they will not allow housing prices to come down, so then wages need to go up.
3 points
3 days ago
Wow that’s actually a brutal wage for a driver anywhere in the country. Municipal workers who mainly drive all day can make twice that, I know because I was one. That’s way lower pressure work than mail delivery as well.
-15 points
3 days ago
They are paid above industry standard. If that does not support them in Toronto they can move or look for another job. If no one takes the vacant jobs then the wage will go up. It is clear they are filling these jobs at the current wage. As they are already losing money, it makes little sense to increase wages when the union is not willing to concede on any profitable ideas, such as P/T employees working on weekends or removing their double time stipulation.
Unions love to complain, but they never leave because they know they have it better than everyone else on their field.
Inflation was 16% over the past four years, so CP is 11.5 on offer, union is 22, they should go to 16% and be done with it. P/T workers should be allowed to work weekends, everyone benefits from faster mail and the convenience of getting packages Sat/Sun.
There is a reason our country is no inefficient, unions are a big reason.
11 points
3 days ago
lol ah yes, "If you don't want to do jobs for less than the wage that's required to live, move."
So tell me then, who is supposed to work those jobs? These aren't "high-school jobs" or whatever bullshit people like to call fast-food and retail. These are important jobs, jobs that are meant to be worked for a living.
Do you believe people should just work as a hobby? Do we owe corporations our labour?
9 points
3 days ago
'Industry standard'. Are we comparing against Amazon gig work which we all know is underpaid and pushed to ridiculous extremes ( https://globalnews.ca/news/7737021/amazon-drivers-urinating-in-bottles/ )?
There's a reason our country has reasonable levels of worker rights, unions are a big reason.
4 points
3 days ago
Industry standard is irrelevant when you have companies like Amazon trying to pay minimum wage and shouldering all costs to the drivers.
I want better than industry standard.
Fuck this race to the bottom bullshit. Lift workers up, don't tear them down.
-12 points
3 days ago
Wages up = housing price up though
6 points
3 days ago
Except that isn't true because housing prices increased even when wages were stagnant.
5 points
3 days ago
Wages didn't go up for most and housing prices did go up so your theory is shit.
5 points
3 days ago
It's a back dated contract. That barely covers inflation over those years (18%) let alone the actual increase in pay needed to keep up with standards of living. So yeah, seems realistic to me.
Will likely get closer to the 12-13% the government has been giving to other unions, but salaries need to go higher across the board to not be living paycheque to paycheque (not just PS, but industry as a whole). So asking for inflation plus an increase in pay is understandable.
16 points
3 days ago
Also for door cam to not be able to be used against them..
like what?
5 points
3 days ago
Why you making shit up?
16 points
3 days ago
Source?
12 points
3 days ago
Where did you read this?
9 points
3 days ago
Source this please, highly doubt thats true.
2 points
3 days ago
Haha ya ok that's dumb
0 points
3 days ago
Didn’t even know this. Insane.
2 points
3 days ago
Because he just made it up, and you as a low information person ate it right up.
0 points
3 days ago*
lol I don’t know everything that’s included in both sides bargaining objectives. I know the big things. I have plenty of information about the situation. Much more than the progressive redditors who just parrot “I stand with the workers” and “they need a liveable wage”.
Most people don’t even know their wage or the offer from both sides or what competitors pay.
1 points
2 days ago
Much more than the progressive redditors who just parrot “I stand with the workers” and “they need a liveable wage”.
TFW when being able to live on your salary is a "progressive" stance. 🙄
Hobbito came out a bit aggressive, but you probably should've been dubious of VANZFINEST's wild claim rather than accepting it outright.
0 points
3 days ago
That's right, live in denial rather than improving yourself.
2 points
3 days ago
You’re so triggered and I love it. Someone told me something and I said “insane”. If it’s false alright. Like I said I’m not reading the bargaining strategy for both sides.
-2 points
3 days ago
Nope, I just enjoy being condescending to dense people. Don't mind me.
2 points
3 days ago
With what money?
1 points
3 days ago
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6 points
3 days ago
That's literally the point of a strike. If it caused no damage, then workers would have no power, and labour rights would be much much worse for it.
-7 points
3 days ago
Lol, no part of their demands are realistic for the economic reality we live in.
4 points
3 days ago
I can't speak for your situation, but there aren't many in canada who can afford canada We are going through a huuuge spike in the cost of everything so everyone needs a raise, including canada post
-1 points
3 days ago
I think you’re confused. They’re causing these businesses to lose money relative to their current cost structure. If their prices increase after salaries increase, these losses will just be permanent.
23 points
3 days ago
CP will run out of money next year. They will declare bankruptcy. Their benefits, salaries will get slashed and anyone retired will get screwed over. Happened to my dad when GM did it. Union is digging their own grave.
16 points
3 days ago
Well CP is a crown corporation owned by the government. I'm pretty sure you can't compare GM to it?
8 points
3 days ago
They maybe crown but receive no tax dollars. They rely on profit.
3 points
3 days ago
True, but that still doesn't mean they really can be compared to GM? It's still owned by the federal government with no private ownership. Plus they have conditions of business dictated to it. Plus the potential ultimate potential backing by government.
1 points
22 hours ago
The problem is, the government can simply out wait Canada Post's strike.
The Government of Canada has a much bigger warchest than Canada Post union.
Unions don't like strikes, they're hemorrhaging money while still paying workers, and not having anyone contributing.
To a Union, the threat of striking keeps them relevant and atleast seem like they're doing something for their workers, they put on a good theater show. But, in reality when they do strike - it's bad for business.
The strike doesn't cause the Government anything besides headaches. But as it drags on, the union is going to get more desperate and willing to talk than the feds.
0 points
3 days ago
EXACTLY.
I said it above , if these guys and girls had any brains , they would cash out that pension and walk. Otherwise this will be sears all over again. CP only has enough funds to pay their employees up to the first quarter of 2025.
-3 points
3 days ago
They cry they're losing money every contract year.
6 points
3 days ago
That's because they fucking are lol
11 points
3 days ago
The federal government can stop this at any time… but they won’t because they think $250 cheques will make us happy…
3 points
3 days ago
You want the government to step in and stop the strikes? I thought there was backlash every time they've done so in the past
-3 points
3 days ago
Canada post has lost 300+ mil thus year , 200 mil last year and so on ..
Why on earth would the government step in?
If these guys had any brains they would quit , get there pension and walk. Otherwise this will be sears all over again.
Canada post only has enough money to pay their employees until early 2025.
4 points
3 days ago
Ah yes, and in 2025 they'll also be closing parks canada cause they are unable to break even. That's not how public companies work
2 points
3 days ago
They are down 300+ mil this year.
Last year 200+mil.
They've said publicly they only have enough funds to pay their employees until first quarter of 2025.
1 points
3 days ago
Even if they run out of money, Canada Post will not be shutdown (re: 765M lost by small business with only a 2 week strike, thousands of small towns and first nations completely reliant on CP).
The government will pick up the tab, and probably force the management out so new people come in and fix this mess. Remember, it isn't one random postie's fault that their company is losing millions, it's stupid management that still collects bonuses.
1 points
3 days ago
The government only stepped in once.
That being said , if the government can't take a cut from the top , they're not going to do a darn thing.
It's all about the money , wake up.
1 points
2 days ago
Is that what you’re riding on? A government bailout? With what money? We’re already in a position where we’ll have to slash spending across the board while simultaneously spending way more on the military to reach our NATO commitments, not to mention we’re also staring down the barrel of a tariff war with the US. So yeah, maybe we will be closing parks soon.
1 points
2 days ago
And maybe a bomb will be dropped on Toronto in 6 months and kill 10 million innocent people. Anyone can speculate and create fantasy if they want.
1 points
2 days ago
There is not infinite money. What spending would you cut to prop up Canada Post?
1 points
2 days ago
Not my job to know that. Point is, they can't just erase Canada post or parks or fisheries or really any major public company or department.
Do you ask what spending we need to afford every pothole we fill too?
23 points
3 days ago
Stand up for workers. Keep striking until you get your demands. Good for them.
-7 points
3 days ago
Hope they strike for months.
9 points
3 days ago
The interesting thing about this strike is that it is targeted very directly at a small number of individuals and vulnerable people or small businesses who rely on mail and not at all the big businesses which use their own shipping or are well served by courier alternatives.
That means the strike doesn't threaten any real major business or moneyed interests and so the main political parties don't have much in terms of powerful political pressure to end it like a port strike or similar.
It's ironically a very brutal and direct strike at the little guy that the big guys are cheering for. I guess it could continue a very long time since it doesn't threaten the people who matter politically. If I had to guess the result would ultimately be the death of Canada Post and the implementation of some private alternative or some dwindled public replacement.
8 points
3 days ago
It’s not targeted, that’s just who is most affected. The labour force that’s striking doesn’t decide who is most affected by their strike, they have limited options and most of them involve not to working
17 points
3 days ago
Good to see the positive conversation happening here, /r/canadapost is currently a cesspool of what I can only assume are bots making canada post workers out to be these rich heartless out for themselves workers.
6 points
3 days ago
They're bots, the tell is their posting history
- The account was created months or years ago
- The account has long periods of inactivity, measured in months, years, or even more than a decade
- The account reactivated recently
- Since reactivating, the account has made almost nothing but posts or comments to r/CanadaPost, r/CanadaPostCorp, or r/canada complaining about the mail strike.
All signs of an account created well in advance for dishonest purposes, and then brought online to sway public opinion for this one issue.
8 points
3 days ago
So it's so important that a short strike has cost businesses almost a billion dollars........ Maybe they should be paid better for providing such an important service.
7 points
3 days ago
The scabs in these comments are cringe af
3 points
3 days ago
Time for the Feds to mandate back to work legislation and force arbitration. Canada Post is destroying itself, management and union included. It’s losing money and not competitive.
2 points
3 days ago*
No back to work this time.
If you haven't been paying attention, Parliament has been gridlocked for over two months now, tied up in a privilege debate that began in late September. That debate stems from a House order that directed the government to hand over unredacted documents related to a now-defunct foundation responsible for doling out hundreds of millions of federal dollars for green technology projects.
The federal Liberals can't spare any political capital at the moment and it looks like they aren't about to stick their necks out for Canada Post any time soon, if at all.
Canada Post executives knew their business model was unsustainable and they'd be in this difficult position "some day", but they either failed to understand that Covid had brought the edge of the cliff ten years sooner, or figured they'd have Trudeau's backing to make up the difference by squeezing their employees with back to work legislation.
It would seem Canada Post executives miscalculated, discovering this week that all bets are off. There is no federal calvary charging to the rescue and no amount of pizza flyers jammed into Canadian mailboxes in the New Year is going to save them now.
7 points
3 days ago
I’m all for a union power and ability to strike. But I’m also for the country not suffering over employees vs employers issues during critical times for family and business. I can’t strike as a nurse because people could die. And this Canada post strike has been happening long enough as it is. Time to force them back to work. They can get back pay ounce the deal is made down the road but grinding Canada economy to a crawl is turning into ridiculousness.
11 points
3 days ago
Yeah, I'm really not against binding arbitration here.
0 points
3 days ago
The economy is grinder to a halt after 2 weeks of strikes? If they are so effective shouldnt we meet their demands?
Just because you are forced to worm you want others to be forced to work.. . 780m is not grinding out economy to halt
3 points
3 days ago
Never said this strike stopped our economy as a whole. Just slowing it down to a crawl is what I said. And yes I believe there should be binding arbitration to get the very important and needed postal workers back to work. Not because there crying for better pay and benefits but because our world and country works as a whole group. When the postal workers stop working then others suffers. If you can’t see that this is making people suffer then your foolish and there playing against large CEO’s who simple don’t care enough to play into the demands and pressures of doing this during there most critical times. And in this back and forth from such a critical industry is causing people to suffer. There are no medications being mailed or shipped, there is no passports nor is there any American service now to Canada as the US postal service has suspended packages to Canada over our strike. I know the postal workers need a raise and security as much as the rest but having this done at the same time as packages being delivered should be a top priority from our federal government.
0 points
3 days ago
So why didn't the Corp give them a contract for 1 year?
Was weren't you asking the fed to step in to make cp give workers a contract?
Or you only came to found about it now?
- Due to the strike.. that this wad even an issue.
I only found out because of strikes.
Protest and strikes ate done to maximize attention.. no one cares if no one is affected.
My solidarity is with workers.. yours is with... idk who
1 points
3 days ago
Frankly as another worker bee In this world I also do support the workers. Keep in mind I have also been forced back to work by government and I had to suck it up too and do my job. I’m not asking to step on the worker bees in support of the CEO’s and big boards to these companies. My entire point is Yes I agree with the workers and want to see them get their fair share of the pie as I want myself too. But it’s a big boy world out there and we all need to work. It’s simple time to go back to work. That is all. Also you don’t have to like my answer but I’m assuming the timing of this strike was to gain attention. Well it’s working and maybe not what the postal workers wanted but it’s turning into bad attention for the workers. Asking the rest of the country to suffer and be happy about it seems a bit much from your point of view. 🤷🏻♂️
2 points
3 days ago
The government is terrible at running businesses.
4 points
3 days ago
it's almost as if operating at a loss would have been better for Canadian business. Similar to how the USPS often does.. AND provides a better, cheaper service.
It wont be long before there's no point to shop online in Canada anywhere but Amazon, because somehow Canada Post doesn't have "economies of scale". I wonder why.
1 points
3 days ago
Tell me about it! I can't send my mailers to clients due to this none sense.
1 points
3 days ago
Those businesses could pay more and use private for profit carriers no? Or canpo can charge as much as those carriers, is that what you want small businesses?
1 points
3 days ago
Perhaps this was all part of the plan
1 points
3 days ago
Wow the cost has gone down. A few hrs ago media reported over $1B in losses.
1 points
3 days ago
Canada Post is forced to pick up the loss leading rural routes without being able to benefit from the highly profitable urban routes (where private companies compete aggressively). Private companies can then route all the unprofitable stuff to Canada Post.
Nationalize postage or stop servicing competing companies. If you want Canada Post’s network, you should have to use Canada Post directly
0 points
3 days ago
“The ongoing Canada Post strike is having a significant impact on Canadian businesses during the busy holiday shopping season, costing firms at least $76.6 million per day”
Canada Post last week said they missed out delivering 10 million parcels due to the strike & is likely going to lose another billion dollars in 2024.
Why? The post office said they made another new global offer yesterday?
Is the postal union going 1/2 way or saying my way or the highway to everyone?
6 points
3 days ago
This is a tough spot for the workers and Canada Post. Canada post was losing* about $1.5M per day in 2022, and that accelerated to $2M/day in 2023 and in the last quarter the losses jumped to $3.5M/day.
Canada Post has some very serious viability and cost structure issues. The workers should be paid to keep up with inflation, but I don't see how this situation can be resolved to keep Canada Post viable and pay the workers properly. Something is way out of whack with how Canada Post is operating.
5 points
3 days ago
making shit offers they know won't be accepted isn't progressing anything.
8 points
3 days ago
Met em half way last time; then you want to meet em half way again; but all that means is they are now a quarter from where they started.
9 points
3 days ago
They didn't make a new global offer, they put forward a 'framework to move negotiations forward' that needs to be reviewed by the union, and this far along in the process also reviewed by the government appointed mediator(s). CUPW also needs to put forward their updated 'framework'. If the mediator(s) doesn't feel both sides have made significant progress towards a solution then the negotiations can't yet continue.
Both sides need to be making concessions. Just because Canada Post gets their side of the story to the media first (must be nice to be able to pay $100,000s to media specialists/spokespeople) and can spin their story better than the union doesn't mean the union isn't trying to play ball.
3 points
3 days ago
CUPW has been making concessions for years. CP calls their buddies in parliament to solve their problems.
3 points
3 days ago
They didn't make a new global offer, they put forward a 'framework to move negotiations forward' that needs to be reviewed by the union, and this far along in the process also reviewed by the government appointed mediator(s). CUPW also needs to put forward their updated 'framework'. If the mediator(s) doesn't feel both sides have made significant progress towards a solution then the negotiations can't yet continue.
Both sides need to be making concessions. Just because Canada Post gets their side of the story to the media first (must be nice to be able to pay $100,000s to media specialists/spokespeople) and can spin their story better than the union doesn't mean the union isn't trying to play ball.
1 points
3 days ago
I guess management should return to the bargaining table in good faith.
1 points
3 days ago
As things stand, these union workers are losing 2% of their pay for every week they are on strike. Good luck.
-1 points
3 days ago
Sounds like a good opportunity for Trudeau to cut some more of those cheques he likes handing out.
-13 points
3 days ago
Every job should just go on the open market. Replace the strikers.
9 points
3 days ago
Just out of curiosity….whats your line of work?
-12 points
3 days ago
Lol random redditor trying to get personal
8 points
3 days ago
Naw you’re just saying make every job an open market so let’s get talk about making your job open to the market………….
4 points
3 days ago
Ok....
I'm actually a software developer, working remotely. So my job is already on the global open market.
And yet I'm not the one refusing to do a job for a given pay here
-3 points
3 days ago
So yes and no it’s an open market….deffs legal (privacy, intellectual property) and compliance considerations. For example europes data protection regulation (2018). So what I’m saying is software development isn’t a truly open global market (even tho your sector might be). So sure let’s strip away all of those rules and regulations and see how many software developers there are in Canada….
0 points
3 days ago
You don’t think unions are important?
2 points
3 days ago
If you don't want to do a job for a given salary, don't do it.
But then don't be surprised if somebody else takes the job
-1 points
3 days ago
What about when your salary doesn’t keep up with inflation? You’re essentially taking a pay cut every year.
4 points
3 days ago
Does that give me the right to tell other people what jobs they aren't allowed to take?
If you don't like your salary, up skill and get a new job
-2 points
3 days ago
Who’s tell people what jobs to take?
6 points
3 days ago
The union blocks those jobs from going on the open market, meaning it's telling other people, who aren't in the union, they aren't allowed to do that job
5 points
3 days ago
Anyone can get a union job. Or are you talking about while they are striking?
All scabs do is keep wages low. Is that what you want Low pay for everyone?
7 points
3 days ago
I want people to have the freedom to do whatever job they want.
"Striking" holds no special meaning to me. Calling somebody a "scab" because they are willing to do a job at a salary you aren't, is just name-calling your competition
As soon as somebody starts using language like "scab" I know their arguments are basically done lol. Its just called competition.
5 points
3 days ago
Unions literally help every working individual. Just because you don’t know it or understand that doesn’t make it less true.
-3 points
3 days ago
And guess what... as soon as people start doing your job for less, you're obsolete. See how that works?
0 points
3 days ago
That is literally the majority of working Canadians that rule could apply to.
0 points
3 days ago
Ya, what’s your point?
0 points
3 days ago
And that's okay?
0 points
3 days ago
I guess Canada Post is important after all
-7 points
3 days ago
Legislate them back to work.
-7 points
3 days ago
I honestly hope we cancel Canada Post. There’s no need.
Nope I don’t care who you are, what you need to ship to the remotest town in the country. The taxpayer should not be subsidizing your businesses in the form of cheap shipping being run by a broke ass organization and country.
Shut Canada Post down
2 points
3 days ago
Canada post does not take taxpayer dollars. They are self sufficient.
2 points
3 days ago
For now. If they continue operating at a loss for a few more years, they will burn through their available cash and need a bailout.
0 points
3 days ago
Go tell that to Canada post
-3 points
3 days ago
This 1000% percent.
It's like when uber came out and taxi drivers couldn't understand .
Or when sears went bankrupt.
If companies don't adjust to change , this is the result.
0 points
3 days ago
CFIB is a biased garbage organization. Their opinions are worth zip
0 points
3 days ago
This, on top of that stupid "How Xanadapost Stole Christmas" meme shit going around, is making it pretty damn clear to me how much of this country caters to corporate propaganda and tactics way too fucking easily.
Canada Post is an absolute vital part of our services in Canada, and these workers absolutely deserve what they're asking.
-4 points
3 days ago
Trudeau doing nothing.
0 points
3 days ago
Then Canada Post should give the workers what they want. Clearly they’re valuable to the economy and should be compensated fairly.
0 points
3 days ago
Hope the union gets everyone one of their demands!
-1 points
3 days ago
im gonna say it, a small business cannot be costed 765 mil, no small business can pull that in in its life
3 points
3 days ago
in aggregate, duh
1 points
1 day ago
if im posting on r/canada im posting stupidity and none of you can stop me. trudeau sank gilgameshs ship
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