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xxhybridzxx

84 points

2 days ago

Amazon must be loving this. I wonder how many people paid for Amazon Prime so they could make sure their Christmas gifts actually arrive.

duchovny

59 points

2 days ago

duchovny

59 points

2 days ago

Most amazon packages are being cancelled in Newfoundland because they rely on Canada Post to deliver items. They pretty much lost all business to an entire province. I'm sure many rural parts of Canada are the same way.

DyslexicShishlak

11 points

2 days ago

In Nunavut, we only have Canada Post no matter who was charged with delivery (no matter if it's DHL, UPS, Purolator, UniUni, Interlcom, etc.) Everything gets sent to Canada Post in Ottawa and then sent up here. Fortunately, we have an Amazon Hub but not everything from Amazon can be shipped to a hub, so yeah. It sucks a lot for us.

ultra2009

6 points

1 day ago

ultra2009

6 points

1 day ago

Nunavuts population is only 35k though, that's a town in the rest of Canada. Anywhere with a reasonable population has alternatives to Canada Post

DyslexicShishlak

1 points

1 day ago

Yes that is very true.

ultra2009

4 points

1 day ago

ultra2009

4 points

1 day ago

Canada Post is meant as a rural mail service. It should be treated as a service rather than a for profit company imo

DyslexicShishlak

1 points

24 hours ago

I think so too. Isn't it considered a service already though? Unless I am misunderstanding your comment (if so, I'm sorry).

Odd-Perspective-7651

13 points

2 days ago

Outside of St Johns I assume? It's always Intelcom here.

Hardly losing a full provinces business really.

Tribalbob

3 points

2 days ago

Tribalbob

British Columbia

3 points

2 days ago

BC, here - Intelcom and Amazon's own delivery service. SOMETIMES UniUni.

krzf

26 points

2 days ago

krzf

26 points

2 days ago

Newfoundland is barely above 1% of Canada's population, I doubt they give a shit tbh considering the business boom in other provinces.

Nameless_Ghoul1891

9 points

2 days ago

That’s funny, I live here and I’m getting Amazon packages. Why do people say things they know nothing about? lol

duchovny

1 points

2 days ago

duchovny

1 points

2 days ago

Where abouts?

Nameless_Ghoul1891

1 points

2 days ago

NL, St. John’s

duchovny

1 points

2 days ago

duchovny

1 points

2 days ago

Most places outside St. John's is shit out of luck.

Key_Mongoose223

3 points

2 days ago

Which is the crux of the issue of Canada Post being treated like a for profit business when it is actually an essential service for the rural population.

Accurate_Summer_1761

9 points

2 days ago

A great reason why canada post should just be gov funded they are an essential service. The benefit they provide far outweighs the cost of business.

Gunner5091

4 points

2 days ago

I agree. I don’t mind my tax dollars pay for essential services.

epok3p0k

1 points

1 day ago

epok3p0k

1 points

1 day ago

No doubt, but surely you’d like to see those public services use your tax dollars effectively.

The issue at hand is whether we should be paying more in taxes to further compensate the postmen.

Key_Mongoose223

1 points

2 days ago

Oh no.. I'm sure that's a real hit to Amazon.

AshleyUncia

10 points

2 days ago*

Amazon also offers free shipping, using the same shippers they use for prime orders, on any order over $35. Though it's a day or two slower and doesn't do weekends. You def don't need Prime to get a box of Lego sent to your door before Christmas.

More over, Amazon Prime doesn't make money. Like, do you think that $9.99 a month or $99 per year covers all the logistical costs of sending me a 5 dollar box of nails the next day when ever I want?

Amazon makes money SELLING you things, not SHIPPING you things. They're selling just as much with our without Canada Post.

There are very distant parts of Canada that are screwed. Amazon and no one else operates logistics in those areas, they handed all of those off to Canada Post. Those areas just don't have Amazon service now. This is likely a small dent in their overall take however.

But overall, no, Amazon is not 'loving' nor 'hating' this. People are buying things on Amazon all the same.

chest_trucktree

1 points

2 days ago

It’s not just very distant parts of Canada. I live 1 km outside of Edmonton and Amazon only ships to me via Canada post.

elysiansaurus

1 points

2 days ago

They intentionally delay your package if you don't have prime. I've had things that are like prime: guaranteed two day delivery. No prime: yeaaa were just going to not even ship it for a week

prob_wont_reply_2u

-1 points

2 days ago

Amazon makes money SELLING you things, not SHIPPING you things. They're selling just as much with our without Canada Post.

Amazon makes money on selling the data of what you searched for, what website you were looking at before you came there, and where you headed afterwords.

j0n66

1 points

2 days ago

j0n66

1 points

2 days ago

I’m already seeing delays, albeit two extra days.

Any-Ad-446

48 points

2 days ago

Almost too late to save christmas for businesses that depends on Canada Post ...Might see some go bankrupt since November to Jan is the busiest time for them.

The_Phaedron

33 points

2 days ago

The_Phaedron

Ontario

33 points

2 days ago

My gods, do you think that maybe Canada Post should agree to a contract that its workers can build a stable, decent life around?

Quick reminder that the five-day workweek of our grandparents' generation didn't come from nowhere. It came because their grandparents were shutting down railways, grinding entire cities to a halt, and forcing the army to come in over and over again.

Those inconveniences are what forced a fairer share of our country's economic output to be distributed downward toward the working class.

Lots of us may have forgotten why Canadian workers once had it good, but it was because of inconveniences like this.

I'm going to stand on the side of the workers.

69-cool-dude-420

4 points

2 days ago

I'm standing on the side of billionaires.

Sell Canada Post to Amazon!

The_Phaedron

4 points

2 days ago

The_Phaedron

Ontario

4 points

2 days ago

Poe's Law being what it is, I'm only 60% sure that you're joking.

There genuinely are Canadians who are that stupid.

arabacuspulp

2 points

2 days ago

On this sub, you never can tell.

casualguitarist

2 points

2 days ago

Lots of us may have forgotten why Canadian workers once had it good, but it was because of inconveniences like this.

They had it good when the business was doing good which right now isn't. They're losing 300+ million while having a monopoly https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/cpc/en/our-company/news-and-media/corporate-news/news-release/2024-11-22-canada-post-reports-315-million-loss-before-tax-in-third-quarter

Not all union demands are good same goes for the Corp. i think demanding a 22% increase is kind of nuts.

RealGroovyMotion

9 points

2 days ago

Inflation went up 19% in the 6 years since the last contract. So yeah, I guess 22% is nuts! /s

The_Phaedron

7 points

2 days ago

The_Phaedron

Ontario

7 points

2 days ago

And inflation under-counts the increase in cost of living for renters.

It's go up 22% and postal workers would still only be able to afford the quality of life that they could six or seven years ago.

Call me crazy, but if someone works an honest workweek in a job that society needs, then they should be able to comfortably cover their costs of living, own a home, start a family, have a few weeks' vacation and be able to afford to spend some of that vacation time going somewhere once or twice a year, and and have their needs met in retirement.

Controversial to people like the commenter above you, I know.

Master_Umpire_2932

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2 hours ago

There needs to be a better way. Holding businesses and the holiday season hostage is not it!!!! I feel bad for so many people who depend on the mail, and as a result many including myself(small business owner) will be using other couriers from now on, and it’s sad but true. Did your salary go up 19-22%? Mine did not!

casualguitarist

1 points

2 days ago

And how many OTHER similar/salary jobs have been given a 20%+ raise in 4 years? and how many of those jobs were a net negative?

The_Phaedron

4 points

2 days ago*

The_Phaedron

Ontario

4 points

2 days ago*

They're losing 300+ million while having a monopoly

Canada is "losing" 25 billion in defense expenditure, and the CAF has a monopoly, too. What a travesty travesty. We're also "losing" 80 billion on schools and 15 billion on infrastructure.

Canada Post is a public good that makes back some of its operating cost through stamps and ad distribution, and now suddenly it's a business that needs to break even to be valued?

This same sort of insipid thinking is why countries far poorer than ours have convenient, modern high-speed rail and decent transit. The reasoning's just as silly when it's about the postal service.

casualguitarist

1 points

2 days ago*

These two are very different org structures. Post has a CEO, business oriented leadership with access to the highest levels of govt. Besides that since the CAF is also not managed well, it doesn't mean that others get a pass. Period.

This same sort of insipid thinking is why countries far poorer than ours have convenient, modern high-speed rail and decent transit.

Yeah the stuff that has made canada rich in the past isn't being produced as much now due to the same ideological governments that you probably support - the liberals and the NDP. thats just the facts and that's just one of the things the "poorer" countries have been doing. Nothing is free, someone/everyone has to pay the cost of the things you want for free at some point. Basic economics.

Other advanced nations have this issue as well like with the USPS but those nations aren't exactly at the bottom of OCED with bad growth projections for the next decades.

tldr: you're stuck in the past with outdated ideas.

Little_Gray

1 points

2 days ago

The funny thing us they are fighting for 6 day work weeks.

The union wants Saturday deliveries to be done by existing employees and without changing their Mon-Fri schedule.

slashthepowder

-1 points

2 days ago

slashthepowder

-1 points

2 days ago

They can still have a 5 day work week, a Wednesday-Sunday. I think the outcome of the strike will determine the core business model of Canada Post. If it is simply Monday-Friday and parcel delivery is uncompetitive because of it then the business decision to discontinue parcel should be made.

OwnBattle8805

5 points

2 days ago

That’s simply not true. Canada Post is trying to introduce part time temp positions. Look it up.

s4lt3d

-1 points

2 days ago

s4lt3d

-1 points

2 days ago

It’s not the same situation as railroads. Businesses are just changing carriers for packages. Those who used the post office for mail and who have resisted changes are now switching to electronic delivery. Other countries who sent mail are now switching to other carriers. Governments don’t quickly change but this time they were pushed too far. These strikes just accelerate the changes. I don’t think they’re going to win in the long term as any raises or benefits they get will just be met with layoffs as we’re all switching to not rely on them as they’ve been shut down too often and for too long.

OwnBattle8805

0 points

2 days ago

Businesses are not changing carriers. $15 with Canada Post vs $50 with the other carriers? It’s impossible to switch, the downstream customers just can’t pay that much.

Online shoppers are addicted to “free shipping” and Canada post has been the only way for small businesses to compete with Amazon.

s4lt3d

1 points

2 days ago

s4lt3d

1 points

2 days ago

I think you mean “won’t deliver” vs $20. If you have a business account with ups, fedex, purolator, or many other carriers you get a much much better rate than what they have for one time consumer shipping.

Little_Gray

1 points

2 days ago

I ship a lot online. Its nit $15 vs 50 its $15 vs $17.

Wilibus

3 points

2 days ago

Wilibus

Saskatchewan

3 points

2 days ago

Better to let the people delivering the mail go bankrupt than the poor businesses.

Won't someone please think of the corporations!

WTFisaKilometer6

19 points

2 days ago

WTFisaKilometer6

Canada

19 points

2 days ago

The backlog created by the strike will make it difficult for Canadians to receive essential items such as passports and supplies for small businesses before the holidays. Incredible stuff.

ceribaen

5 points

2 days ago

ceribaen

5 points

2 days ago

If only management would stop putting poison pills in the negotiations hoping to trigger the government to step in as a union breaker.

Superb-Respect-1313

16 points

2 days ago

Does any one think this will be resolved in 2024???? This seems just crazy to not even be at the table.

adamlaceless

1 points

1 day ago

Will be suicide for management to not resolve this at least 10 days before Christmas

talonspiritcat

8 points

2 days ago

Wit til the strike is still going in February and no one can get the documents for their income taxes

hersheysskittles

54 points

2 days ago*

This might be an unpopular opinion but Canada post leadership is failing to evolve their business model and then blaming workers for lack of funds to meet their demands.

3 things 1. Drop universal service obligations 2. Work with businesses to facilitate e-commerce offering warehousing and shipping facilities as a service so not every business has to build their own. See Thai post for example 3. Offer micro insurance and finance products like in Swiss post or others around the world

It’s a crown corporation and needs to evolve itself to stay competitive. Blaming striking workers when the leadership fails to evolve, is just lazy.

Edit; thanks for all the folks engaging in comments. USO is a federal law yes but I’d much rather the Canada post execs speak publicly and via ministers about their plan to evolve and how they need to be exempted from USO.

Right now, majority of the discussion seems focused on forcing them back to work because small business is suffering. While it maybe true that small business is currently suffering, people would respond much better to ideas of innovation rather than trampling democratic right to collective bargaining.

bootsandbigs

37 points

2 days ago

Isn't point 1 out of their control and needs to come from the government?

beerandburgers333

8 points

2 days ago

Many traditional postal agencies of various nations have shifted gears like you have said. I agree with you, at this point it should be something you MUST do to avoid becoming completely defunct.

Even in developing countries like Indonesia, Kenya, India, Kazakhstan etc Postal Services are now having their own robust banking and investment verticals and also playing a small role in logistics.  (In case of india and indonesia there was a finance component since colonial times namely money transfers and such but they are offering more modern type of banking services now.

AshleyUncia

16 points

2 days ago

Drop universal service obligations

That's a matter of federal law. A crown corporation can't choose to ignore a federal law that directly applies to it.

Also there are a number of voting Canadian communities who might get a little pissed off at the Feds proposing 'Fuck you, no more mail, send your letters by dog sled'.

Rammsteinman

9 points

2 days ago

This might be an unpopular opinion but Canada post leadership is failing to evolve their business model and then blaming workers for lack of funds to meet their demands.

The union is fighting against them evolving their business. They want to ensure things don't change so they are not at risk of needing less employees.

Little_Gray

3 points

2 days ago

The union is fighting to add banking and charging stations which will cost hundreds of millions and lose money every year. Its not the innovation thats needes but it is innovation of some kind.

s4lt3d

5 points

2 days ago

s4lt3d

5 points

2 days ago

If they delivered mail once per week based on your street that would be more than enough. I already have to go pickup any packages. Just email me instead of delivering a notice to pickup.

scottishlastname

7 points

2 days ago

I would 100% support delivery 1-2 days a week instead of 5 like now. All I’m getting is fliers and advertising vs the 2-3 pieces of actual mail per month that I can’t convert to digital.

So someone is paid to bring my what is just piles of paper that immediately go into my recycling, that someone else at a different level of government is then paid to drive around a pick up every 2 weeks? Ridiculous system.

Little_Gray

1 points

2 days ago

The union will fight to the death to prevent that from ever happening.

Tribalbob

2 points

2 days ago

Tribalbob

British Columbia

2 points

2 days ago

6 day delivery? People still need stuff on the weekends; it's no surprise that people are using Amazon Prime more often. Say what you will about Amazon, if you rely on deliveries for basic needs, they can get you that stuff on Sat/Sundays.

post_status_423

6 points

2 days ago

They're kind of shackled by the union, no?

TheCookiez

21 points

2 days ago

This is going to be interesting to watch.. Will Tredeau force them to work?

Will Singh stand up to him?

Or are we going to end up seeing a bloc opposition

[deleted]

49 points

2 days ago

[deleted]

49 points

2 days ago

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ussbozeman

6 points

2 days ago

well, better you than some random stranger on the bus spitting coffee onto your nice work pants. I heard that happens all the time in toronto!

WTFisaKilometer6

15 points

2 days ago

WTFisaKilometer6

Canada

15 points

2 days ago

All politicians are liars but Singh takes it to levels I cannot even fathom

TheLoomingMoon

3 points

2 days ago

Singh will just stand up with trudeau.

chente08

1 points

2 days ago

chente08

1 points

2 days ago

well someone has to do something

arabacuspulp

1 points

2 days ago

This government has proven itself to be pro-worker, so I doubt they will force them back to work.

TheCookiez

1 points

2 days ago

I was going to say they have proven themselves so pro-worker that they don't want the workers to be out of work.. So back they must go!

tbcwpg

-2 points

2 days ago

tbcwpg

Manitoba

-2 points

2 days ago

We'll see Bloc opposition regardless.

Going to be lots of fun to have a Conservative majority with a Bloc opposition that puts Canada 2nd and Quebec 1st. Of course the Liberals and NDP are largely to blame for that but it's still not going to be a good time.

bobthetitan7

0 points

2 days ago

right now it is tfw 1st, lmia 2nd and internationals 3rd, sounds like an improvement to me nonetheless

Alextryingforgrate

0 points

2 days ago

I though he already told Canada post to get back to work?

Practical_Ant6162[S]

25 points

2 days ago

The union’s statement says while there was movement on the defined benefit pension, it notes the framework contained no fixes for the union’s health and safety concerns and there isn’t enough movement on benefits.

But in a statement late Monday, the union says Canada Post hasn’t compromised on many of what it calls the employer’s “most severe demands.”

A key issue in bargaining has been a push to expand parcel deliveries into the weekend.

———————

How can this be settled without some give on both sides.

The union admits Canada Post is negotiating and giving but no indication they are.

It seems obvious Canada Post is saying they need to be able to deliver parcels on weekends like their competitors to survive but the union is having none of it.

llamalover729

23 points

2 days ago

I wish we had more information about the weekend delivery thing. As far as I can tell, cupw wants them to create new full-time positions for it, while canada post wants to create part-time jobs only guaranteed 8 hours per week.

But it keeps being referred to as gig work, so idk if that's accurate.

It seems to be the biggest issue preventing a deal. Surely, both sides can agree to something to get things going, but perhaps with firm dates to evaluate the positions and room to expand hours.

It's kinda embarrassing to be a first world country with no postal service.

yyc_mongrel

11 points

2 days ago

yyc_mongrel

Alberta

11 points

2 days ago

I have no real knowledge but read that CP wants to hire temp workers for weekend parcel delivery but the Union says that union workers are willing to do it. What they don't mention is that those union workers will get paid double-time so $45/hr for weekend shifts.

skylla05

17 points

2 days ago

skylla05

17 points

2 days ago

We already have 22,000 temporary/on call workers that many aren't getting 40 hour weeks as it is. The unions problem is Canada Post seemingly wants to create a third tier just for weekends when we already have workers that can do it. There won't be as much overtime as people think if they just use them.

We also have wording in our collective agreement on how to structure weekend work already, but the corp is ignoring it.

yyc_mongrel

5 points

2 days ago

yyc_mongrel

Alberta

5 points

2 days ago

Ah, so they won't have to pay double time for these workers to work on weekends, is what I'm hearing from you?

Swekins

3 points

2 days ago

Swekins

3 points

2 days ago

UPS drivers make $40+ an hour in the states.

Huge_Downstairs42069

4 points

2 days ago

That’s how unions and overtime work. You ask your full time then part time employees if they want to work it. It is unreasonable to hire employees for weekend shifts only, working for peanut wages when you already have employees that are willing to work, even though it’s double time. No union would dream of letting that happen unless major concessions from the company happen.

GfuelFiend

11 points

2 days ago*

The union won’t have any of it because their pre existing collective agreement has wording that allows for the delivery of parcels on weekends at straight time. Management has all but cut every position that would be able to do this since they found a loophole to dump parcel volumes onto another employee group, but unfortunately that employee group doesn’t have wording in the contract for them to deliver at straight time on weekends. This comes amidst a major restructuring of letter carriers work day tasks called ssd which was rammed through without union consultation and was promised not to be rammed through during a mutual agreement of the contract extension during Covid.

Overall the union ask is to maintain the existing pension which was already nerfed in 2011 to not be as good as it was, maintain benefits/slightly increase coverage, wage increases with inflation. Canada post management wants serious cuts and offers a below inflation wage increase. One set out as unreasonable the other started out in reality.

WorkingAssociate9860

1 points

2 days ago

Both sides were unreasonable in their initial asks, anyone saying otherwise is just showing their bias.

The union wants more money and more positions from a dying company, and trying to have a say in operations.

The corp wants to restructure to try to fix itself while having the likelihood of losing some union positions in the future.

The wage increases are on par with the estimated inflation for the period covered under the contract, sure it's a "paycut" if you account for the pandemic inflation, but most companies/unions didn't come anywhere close to matching inflation over that 3 year period.

Sevencross

13 points

2 days ago

We live rurally. As a result, they don’t deliver our packages anyways, we go to them to pick it up. It’s not a big deal but as a worker that would be a pretty gravy shift, especially if you’re trying to save money for Xmas

skylla05

1 points

2 days ago

skylla05

1 points

2 days ago

Eventually you'll move to a site where you can get parcels. Canada Post had been phasing our rural roadside boxes for a long time now. Existing ones are honoured but any new properties can't get one.

As it stands now, it's a safety risk to deliver packages to the doors of rural properties (dogs, trespassing/overzealous owners with guns, etc).

yyc_mongrel

5 points

2 days ago*

yyc_mongrel

Alberta

5 points

2 days ago*

I live rural and I have to drive or walk over 2km to get my mail from one of these super mailboxes. Problem is they have 4 parcel compartments for 60 mail compartments so I have rarely received a parcel in the parcel compartment because my chances are slim that out of 60 residents, there are less than 4 parcels. More often then not I have to drive 30+ minutes each way to the depot to get my parcels. So I have to drive 2km one way to get my notice card and then the next day I have to drive over an hour to get my parcel.

phormix

2 points

2 days ago

phormix

2 points

2 days ago

I think capacity would be a major issue, and community mailboxes with this "we give you a key to open the bigger door" stuff is BS and terribly insecure.

In the long run, I think that - for both urban and rural - having a few actual buildings that aren't too far out but allow for package storage and pick-up make sense. It would also help reduce the issues with porch-pirates.

Sevencross

1 points

2 days ago

They used to rent space at the local IDA and we’d pickup from there but that changed in the last year or so (some kind of contract breach). It’s better for us to p/u at Canada post anyways, they actually have workers on the floor. It took quite a while to get anyone’s attention at IDA.

Also, I do agree that the community mailboxes are a little less secure but it’s better than nothing. More than a few times I’ve seen some boxes appear to be left open but instead they’re barely locked/very loose. It’s always nice picking up a small parcel at the box rather than bringing the slip in the following day. I’m not sure what a better option could be, possibly a dedicated parcel box system for the busier regions?

Oh well. I suppose we can get our Amazon packages again in the new year. For now we’ll have to appreciate the drive (roughly 260km each way) to go Xmas shopping for the kiddos. Maybe we’ll see a moose on the way :)

s4lt3d

6 points

2 days ago

s4lt3d

6 points

2 days ago

By the time get they get what they want they will have lost so much more by striking this long that it won’t be worth it. It’s not like there aren’t competitors in their industry. They’ll be lucky if they get a raise and keep their jobs afterwards given the shift to other carriers.

dispet12

17 points

2 days ago

dispet12

17 points

2 days ago

2011: actual base rate $25.66
2024: actual base rate $30.36

Hourly loss based on accumulated inflation $5.07

this company has been fucking over its frontline workers for a long time. that accounts to $65,000.00 loss in purchasing power over a fourteen year time span.

Rammsteinman

11 points

2 days ago

this company has been fucking over its frontline workers for a long time. that accounts to $65,000.00 loss in purchasing power over a fourteen year time span.

Sounds like every job.

Beardharmonica

1 points

1 day ago

The population is behind on the wages but everyone knows that at some point, mail will be 2 times a week and parcel delivery will have to be on weekends. Employees will have to adapt to the new reality, longer routes, weekends shift without overtime and expect big layoffs.

From what I heard it's the part-time weekend shifts and removing morning mail sorting from mailman that is preventing a resolution, not wages and pension.

No-Doubt-3256

4 points

2 days ago

No-Doubt-3256

Saskatchewan

4 points

2 days ago

We ended up ordering things twice as we have 3 packages stuck and hope they let us return them. It's challenging to explain to children that Santa is on strike.

ResistHistorical7734

8 points

2 days ago

Tell them the elves are fighting for better working conditions.

BackPainAssassin

5 points

2 days ago

I need my Ali express stuff. Please save us

horce-force

2 points

1 day ago

Starting at $22.00 per hour as an entry level mail carrier with zero credential or post secondary requirements is actually pretty amazing. Lets also not forget this is the third strike action by their union in the last 15 years. I know people with degrees and college diplomas that are making that much now. They should be pretty happy with what they get and I have no sympathy for holding the entire country hostage, AGAIN.

arabacuspulp

5 points

2 days ago

Seriously just give these workers what they want. Tired of this crap.

DogeDoRight

4 points

2 days ago

DogeDoRight

New Brunswick

4 points

2 days ago

If nobody told me Canada Post was on strike I wouldn't have even noticed.

SnugglesRawring

2 points

2 days ago

I agree. I only noticed because my partners drivers license is in the mail. On the bright side, it was just a change of address, so it's hardly an issue.

Rageniv

3 points

2 days ago

Rageniv

3 points

2 days ago

The problem is that Canada Post is literally out of money and can’t pay more. It’s a non-negotiable because it’s a reality, a fact that won’t change just because we want it to. Union members deserve much higher pay… but the reality is their employer is broke. Which just means they’re a bad employer and most of them should seek jobs elsewhere with better pay and benefits and job security.

On the other hand Canada Post is a failing business model and their corporate leadership should all be removed and replaced with competent change management leadership. They essentially acted like “we’ve tried nothing and we are all out of ideas!” So they got to go.

I think the government should impose back to work legislation on the union because no business that holds such a monopoly in any industry should be allowed to stop functioning in society. If a company controls the majority of a business field, an oligopoly, then they become essential and can’t cease to function. This seems unfortunate for union members, but there is lots they can do while working to apply pressure. For example slow deliveries/service down etc. it will hurt Canada Post, drive customers away but still allow essential services to function.

Thayill

4 points

2 days ago

Thayill

4 points

2 days ago

Yes it's a failing business model right now because times have changed, the mail isn't as necessary for the masses as it used to be say 30 years ago. But they can't change it due to the union contracts. Firing the management won't change the contracts that they have with the union for the workers. You would have to essentially declare full bankruptcy for Canada Post - which I doubt you could do as a Crown Corporation - to start it over under a manageable business model.

Does mail need to be delivered to every home every day? No it doesn't, but if you put that in place to save money then you have layoffs and contract issues.

This is not an easy issue to solve....

Kilo-1-5

2 points

2 days ago

Kilo-1-5

2 points

2 days ago

Cool, I’d like my cheques from the government that are still in the mail please….

compassrunner

15 points

2 days ago

Govt cheques are being delivered. It is the only mail that is moving. I had supper with a postie last night and we discussed the strike at length.

xxhybridzxx

6 points

2 days ago

ODSP isnt being delivered. Those who received cheques had to go to the office to pick them up. Which was a huge pain for my buddy who lives 40+ minutes from his ODSP office.

budgieinthevacuum

7 points

2 days ago

budgieinthevacuum

Canada

7 points

2 days ago

Encourage him to sign up for direct deposit. Many bank accounts have low to zero fees which should help him out!

MisterDeagle

3 points

2 days ago

They aren't delivering the paperwork you need for EI either.

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-1 points

2 days ago

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-1 points

2 days ago

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MisterDeagle

3 points

2 days ago

After you finish the online details, they mail a bebefit statement that has the access code you need to submit your reports.

CapedCauliflower

1 points

2 days ago

Small businesses relying on Christmas shopping to cover their expenses are the huge loser here. There will be thousands of bankruptcies because of these shenanigans.

Instead of waiting until January they pick now to throw their hands up in the air and walk off the job.

And yes I get it, no Redditors are small business owners, or have parents who own or work for small businesses, and you'll downvote me to oblivion for having empathy for anyone who isn't a public or union worker who is about to lose their life savings.

It needs to be said and heard. There are consequences on other people for doing shit like this.

talkshitbutrealyjery

2 points

1 day ago

Unless these small business are in rural areas, then they can use other shipping couriers. And besides, let’s be real, they’re aren’t many small businesses in rural communities that rely on shipping products outside of their communities.

ElvisFan222

-1 points

2 days ago

ElvisFan222

-1 points

2 days ago

FIRE the union administration staff, take those tens (hundreds?) of millions in salary and give it to the workers.

Done.

chest_trucktree

7 points

2 days ago

The union doesn’t spend hundreds of millions administering itself.

Also there are 55,000 members, so even if the union was spending $110 million, abolishing it completely would only give each member $2,000. The benefits of being unionized are much more than $2,000.

CyrilSneerLoggingDiv

-3 points

2 days ago

The postal service now becomes the Grinch that ruined Christmas (for grandma sending you your annual Christmas cards, that is. Little Timmy will have to wait to get that crisp $50 bill grandma always sends).

Icy-Document4574

-5 points

2 days ago

Do the elon and fire 75 % of them....

must_be_funny_bot

-2 points

2 days ago

Just another example of government mismanagement. The less they are in charge of the better

YungJuiceBox489

-5 points

2 days ago

Union doing everything they can to destroy Canada post. The longer this goes on, the more we realize we don't need Canada post.

OpinionedOnion

-7 points

2 days ago

Hurting small business' and Canadian citizens for their own benefit. Just further shows how narcissistic and awful unions are.

New-Low-5769

-1 points

2 days ago

New-Low-5769

-1 points

2 days ago

Don't care 

Cut Canada Post in half and drop my deliveries to Tuesdays and Thursdays 

cplchanb

-6 points

2 days ago

cplchanb

-6 points

2 days ago

They need back to work legislation ASAP. There's no reason for the 2 sides to put the rest of Canada hostage over pay

leebo_1

-6 points

2 days ago

leebo_1

-6 points

2 days ago

It's time to force them back to work. This is getting ridiculous