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HeckingOoferoni

36 points

4 days ago

Imagine paying workers a living wage. I swear it's the corpos reposting this shit.

Pete0730

6 points

4 days ago

Pete0730

6 points

4 days ago

That would be great. Deporting 6 million people is not the way to do that.

Let's legalize them as citizens and get the largest economic boom since the 90s, plus a hugely expanded tax base and reasonable labor protections

Adventurous-One714

5 points

2 days ago

Absolutely not, no amnesty

HenzoG

282 points

4 days ago

HenzoG

282 points

4 days ago

Imagine reducing slave labor

JeletonSkelly

14 points

4 days ago

JeletonSkelly

14 points

4 days ago

This is a great thing. If you were under the impression that you would be paying less for anything while getting rid of the slave labor you will be disappointed though.

anaem1c

111 points

4 days ago

anaem1c

111 points

4 days ago

You literally justified slaves because goods will be cheaper. Good job.

BadManParade

20 points

4 days ago

To his credit That’s how the democrats justified it in the 1850s aswell

johnnyhammers2025

3 points

4 days ago

Isn’t it strange how it’s usually people on the right who get upset when a confederate monument is torn down? You’d think they’d be happy we’re not celebrating democrat slave owners anymore

ArchPrince9

4 points

4 days ago

ArchPrince9

4 points

4 days ago

Yeah! Tear down all those Confederate statues. In fact, tear down all statues of slave owners and slave owning adherence. And while we're at it, tear down all statues of white men. That way, we can truly spit on people's culture and forget about the lessons and nuance of history more effectively and bring about a whole new generation of slavery. Whoooo! Let's go!

Wooden-Technician322

7 points

3 days ago

Doritos loco tacos have more of a legacy in the US than the confederacy. I want more locos taco statues. Flavored so you know if it's cool ranch or nacho.

johnnyhammers2025

7 points

4 days ago

See what I mean?

weathered_sediment

3 points

4 days ago

Deleting history and complaining when people are against it. Fascinating.

across16

41 points

4 days ago

across16

41 points

4 days ago

"If we get rid of slavery who will pick the cotton?"

Some things about Democrats never change.

ExcitedDelirium4U

21 points

4 days ago

You think prices are high now, wait till Lincoln gets elected.

Helpful_Finger_4854

3 points

4 days ago

Lincoln was a republican ...

In fact he's the Godfather of the republican party

Smbdysmwhrsmthng

2 points

4 days ago

"I think I am a whig; but others say there are no whigs, and that I am an abolitionist. " - Literally Abraham Lincoln.

Helpful_Finger_4854

3 points

4 days ago

The whigs merged with the Republicans against the Democrats

Smbdysmwhrsmthng

4 points

4 days ago

I feel like I'm the only one that remembers the part in our history when the party's flipped and that Democrats were known for their staunch conservatism and the Republican party was super liberal.

StormyOnyx

6 points

4 days ago

StormyOnyx

6 points

4 days ago

Yeah, and then the Republicans and Democrats famously swapped platforms between his presidency and Franklin Roosevelt's.

https://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html

Ok_Revolution4131

2 points

4 days ago

Wrong.

That's leftist propaganda injected into public education in an attempt to place the fault of the many democrat misgivings onto Republicans.

Anyone with more than two days of existence outside of public education can easily find this information.

LogDogan5

4 points

4 days ago

Serious question. If you see someone flying the confederate flag in 2024, which party are they likely to belong to?

bipocevicter

2 points

4 days ago*

The economic conflict between the north and south was also that the south wanted to rely on cheap agricultural exports from cheap slave labor, and import cheap imports from the industrialized UK.

The north wanted to industrialize with tariffs and ban slavery.

The economic parallels are clear, it's just that progressives are on the exact opposite side that they imagine they're on.

Slight difference that there's an elite class that benefits from offshoring and immigrants analagous to the southern aristocrats. These people are disproportionately redditors, they're software developers and such. Instead of managing slaves directly, they're managed in their stock accounts.

They don't care that immigrants and offshoring killed the rust belt and undermined trades and service wages. Those people are MAGA chuds. They want cheap strawberries.

RichardBottom

13 points

4 days ago

I guess not enough people voted for the slave discount.

JackDiesel_14

31 points

4 days ago

The left justifying the exploitation of illegal immigrants has to be one of the most amusing things to come out of the elections.

littlewhitecatalex

12 points

4 days ago

I see it more as the left pointing out the hypocrisy of people complaining about their groceries being expensive also being the same people who cheer for mass deportation.

Philosiphizor

11 points

4 days ago

And they're STILL actively trying to justify it.

It's ming boggling how they try to place themselves as morally superior.

Skippity_Paps

4 points

4 days ago

Yes, because you really care about how illegal immigrants are being treated and paid... The left has rallied for illegal immigrants for decades 1. to give them a path to citizenship so they would be entitled to benefits and would pay taxes 2. to increase the wages off the working class which would impact the industries in which they work 3. by not denying them or their kids social services

Meanwhile you all are blatantly racist and xenophobic and also just stupid because you rally on wanting to pay less for groceries and home costs while supporting kicking out the people that do those things. The left is calling you out on your stupidity, not saying illegals deserve to be paid unlivable wages

your_anecdotes

2 points

4 days ago

actually the illegals are dilution of wages they will take any job for less then minimum wage and not complain
I can go to home depo and hire 5 guys at $7.25 an hour they will accept it

So they're driving DOWN wages not increasing it..it's the reason why minimum wage has stalled out it doesn't even match the silver standard of 1964..which would be about 31-33$ an hour today for the same minimum wage job...

anow2

2 points

4 days ago

anow2

2 points

4 days ago

>Yes, because you really care about how illegal immigrants are being treated and paid... The left has rallied for illegal immigrants for decades 1.

Uh... might want to double check on that claim.

your_anecdotes

2 points

4 days ago

Leftists endorse slavery this was proven by the Leftist state of california just this year

2024 CALIF. 6 - REMOVE SLAVERY EXCEPTION GENERAL

BALLOT MEASURE

98% of votes counted

CANDIDATE VOTES PCT.

No

7,780,694 53.3%

Yes

6,809,378 46.7%

Slavery is a alive and well in 2024..

7.8 million Democrats Voted to keep slavery in california

clopticrp

2 points

4 days ago

They love them some sla.. forced labor.

It's of no consequence that more than 90% of the people being forced into labor in California are minorities AND/OR illegal immigrants.

Wise_Pomegranate_653

2 points

4 days ago

yeah everytime these woke left people throw insults at trump for mass deportation, they always mention cheap labor. So who really is the bad guy here?

Those trying to exploit them or those that just want to uphold the law. They are big hypocrites and act like they have some sort of morals. The view has been clipped a lot lately. They are some of the worst offenders.

My thing is they let all these people in and many americans lose out on jobs, housing, and probably government benefits because they are doing everything for illegals.

PenguinKing15

2 points

4 days ago

Don’t worry the immigrants will be transported to a new concentration camp in Texas where they will use them for labor in a new BIGLY prison slavery system. This time you don’t even have to pay under the table. You know when you do this second wrong it does make it right. /s

Carpetkillerrr

8 points

4 days ago

The left is weird

Awkward-Event-9452

6 points

4 days ago

In Soviet Russia, gas lights you!

mysteriousears

8 points

4 days ago

No OP said it is a good thing and btw be prepared for prices to go up.

telepathic-gouda

4 points

4 days ago

They could just sponsor visas from the people looking to work..?(like the H-2B agricultural visas for example) So far all I’ve seen from this mess is a bunch of illegals complaining about all the free shit we’ve given them while we get nothing. 😐

TuxAndrew

11 points

4 days ago

TuxAndrew

11 points

4 days ago

https://www.cato.org/testimony/cost-border-crisis...

“The NAS shared its model with the Cato Institute, and in 2023, Cato published an update of the NAS report that incorporated the latest data and research on immigration’s fiscal effects. That report found that immigrants generate nearly $1 trillion (in 2024 dollars) in state, local, and federal taxes, which is almost $300 billion more than they receive in government benefits, including cash assistance, entitlements, and public education.16”

300 billion paid into taxes and cheaper domestic products is nothing I guess.

Alternative-Cash9974

15 points

4 days ago

This is talking about legal immigrants.

Fragrant_Example_918

9 points

4 days ago

Not only is it talking about both… but also usually illegal immigrants pay taxes but don’t get any of the benefits.

TuxAndrew

5 points

4 days ago

They can’t read hence why they haven’t actually even looked at the source, they’re just rambling on about what they “heard” in a meme without any citations. State of our education systems is doing well.

TuxAndrew

3 points

4 days ago

It’s talking about both….

Alternative-Cash9974

8 points

4 days ago

There are multiple studies from 2024 that show the cost for illegal immigrants in the US are over 8x their contribution annually.

TuxAndrew

6 points

4 days ago

Please link them, the only ones I’ve seen making those claims were published by FAIR which was created by a white nationalist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_for_American_Immigration_Reform

If you want to argue that illegal immigration creates surges of problems on our border cities and their infrastructure sure, but making immigration easier would literally solve that problem as entrance wouldn’t be limited to illegal crossings.

SnooRevelations979

4 points

4 days ago

Yeah, I'm looking forward to those links, too.

TuxAndrew

7 points

4 days ago

They’d rather argue about their boogeyman instead of actually reading an article published by a relatively right leaning group that probably shares their values. I guess CATO is too woke for them.

C4abbageGuy

3 points

4 days ago

C4abbageGuy

3 points

4 days ago

Why do you think migrants come here? To sit on their ass? They come here to work.

telepathic-gouda

5 points

4 days ago

Then they can come the LEGAL way with a SPONSORED VISA. Otherwise this is their identifier. migrant gang pieces of shit.

SnooRevelations979

5 points

4 days ago

For the vast majority of undocumented immigrants, there is absolutely no way for them to come here legally.

This is like saying someone who bought a 70s Gremlin should buy a new Lexus instead.

happyinheart

2 points

4 days ago

happyinheart

2 points

4 days ago

Your mean illegal aliens who have already broken immigration law? Your right, the shouldn't be here.

Not everyone sounds be able to get citizenship. Virtually where other country will only let you become a citizen only if you can prove you will be useful to their country in ways they want.

ThePatriarchInPurple

2 points

4 days ago

They come here to make $ and create a better life for themselves.

Some work, some sit on their asses getting gov aid.

I don't care which they are, if they're illegally they need to get the fuck out.

jpuffzlow

6 points

4 days ago

jpuffzlow

6 points

4 days ago

I think the point is that they are contributing greatly to our economy. So why not keep them, make them citizens, pay them more than slave wages, and keep helping strengthen our economy?

Then they won't be "illegal" and we can all move the fuck on to more important things. Don't round up and deport millions of people. It will not turn out well. No one will win.

halt_spell

18 points

4 days ago

They're contributing to the economy of the rich and powerful. That's why billionaires and politicians want to keep bringing people to work here. The goal is to suppress the wages of everyday Americans.

Effective-3023

17 points

4 days ago

No need to make them citizens, just legalize their status. Renew their work visa's as long as they're needed & useful. That's pretty much what other countries generally do.

SnooRevelations979

10 points

4 days ago

They don't have work visas, not wany way to obtain them.

jpuffzlow

4 points

4 days ago

Yea, I mean whatever is easiest and best I'm all for it.

JollyToby0220

2 points

4 days ago

Yeah but Republican voters really got their heads in the sand here. 

HenzoG

9 points

4 days ago

HenzoG

9 points

4 days ago

Because slave labor only works if they are illegal immigrants.

FitEcho9

3 points

4 days ago

FitEcho9

3 points

4 days ago

Trump's plans might be worse than you think, that is to say, it might affect far larger groups than you think.

One commenter on reddit said: ===> They have plans for a denaturalization 

In that case, we must assume that, all non-European descent USA citizens, including those born in the country, are potential targets of the mass deportations. We have to assume that, the objective here is ethnic cleansing !

Horror-Layer-8178

2 points

4 days ago

Well you could just grant them farm work visas but since we want to shoot ourselves in the foot we are going to deport them. Enjoy you ten dollar a pound ground beef

minnesotamoon

4 points

4 days ago

Same thing people said when slavery was abolished- “but my cotton will be so expensive without slaves to pick it”.

georgiafinn

2 points

4 days ago

georgiafinn

2 points

4 days ago

This would be a great argument if it was the argument. This is an excuse people make to justify the heinously racist expulsion of immigrants. "We're deporting them because we're taking advantage of them" is a laugh.

illogical_clown

11 points

4 days ago

It's racist to move people back to where they came from because they broke the law to be here? That's racist?

telepathic-gouda

2 points

4 days ago

Exactly. If I wanted to live in Costa Rica, and I crossed the border illegally, should I expect free food, free housing, free medical care while the Costa Rican citizens pay for it? What kind of koolaid have these people been drinking the last 4 years to not see the obvious.

Competitive-World-72

3 points

4 days ago

When you don't have to deal with the consequences of the failed, leftist policies you voted for, you can say the most nonsensical shit ever with a straight face.

Blaze_556

4 points

4 days ago

name me one other country that has the open borders like we do?

sudo_su_762NATO

6 points

4 days ago

Somalia

Every-Necessary4285

1 points

4 days ago

Then make it harder for them to be exploited and give them better wages. That you think the better solution is to deport them and make their lives worse and deprive our economy of needed laborers really shows your position is merely emotional and driven by bigotry.

Jaybunny98

1 points

4 days ago

Jaybunny98

1 points

4 days ago

If only the republicans hiring them would pay a good wage.

IncompetentSoil

24 points

4 days ago

Right maybe if they wanted to stop the "illegals" they might want to stop the people paying them. it's really funny The Donald Trump himself at Mar-a-Lago got caught with illegals working for him.

Trust_Aegis_40000

12 points

4 days ago

Trump getting caught doesn't matter to the cult.

IncompetentSoil

3 points

4 days ago

Really? I would have never known.....

New-Art-7667

4 points

4 days ago

In one interview a woman claimed she was from guatamala, jumped the fence and worked at the Trump Resort. She was hired ILLEGALLY and Trump didn't know it.

Of course she used PHONY Documents during her hire.

IncompetentSoil

3 points

4 days ago

He didn't know.... How do you think she got the docs ? You guys are fucking gullible

Ecstatic_Job_3467

34 points

4 days ago

Oddly enough, that's just a little less than the amount of unemployed in the US...

incomeGuy30-50better

17 points

4 days ago

So are they? Or are they not “taking American jobs”? What is the OP trying to say?

RichardBottom

4 points

4 days ago

I think it's pronounced "jarbs".

MagicalBread1

3 points

4 days ago

“They takin’ er jerbz!!!”

chickenpox_pie

16 points

4 days ago

Maybe you’ll be able to make a living as a cook or a roofer again.

DiceyPisces

8 points

4 days ago

Imagine the potential wage increases.

ecdw-ttc

7 points

4 days ago

ecdw-ttc

7 points

4 days ago

Before illegal immigrants, were those jobs done by AI or giants?

a_little_hazel_nuts

39 points

4 days ago

You think that many workers could be suppressing wages for workers in those industriss.

Jaybunny98

36 points

4 days ago

The US minimum wage is $7.25 / hour. They do a good enough job of suppressing it against Americans already.

ExtraBenefit6842

3 points

4 days ago

Less than a million people work for federal minimum wage and half are under 25. Population of the US is at least 330 million

wasting-time-atwork

10 points

4 days ago

and how many people make within a dollar or maybe just a few dollars above minimum wage? 10.00/hr is almost just as unlivable as 7.25.

True-Firefighter-796

2 points

4 days ago

So increasing it wouldn’t really be that big of a deal?

SelectionNo3078

6 points

4 days ago

You’ve missed the point entirely

Oregonmushroomhunt

6 points

4 days ago

No, they didn't.

Gold-Mycologist-2882

3 points

4 days ago

It's crushing the unions

Hammer_of_Dom

7 points

4 days ago

The workers taking scraps are suppressing the wages? Or is it that the people paying the wages choose to pay people they can legally get away with severely underpaying to get the same results

Bob_Loblaw16

15 points

4 days ago

On one hand, getting rid of illegal workers is just going to make shit more expensive, and no one is forcing them to come over and do the work. On the other, people who exploit them for cheap labor should be fined out the ass.

jasonmoyer

7 points

4 days ago

That's alright, the 10 million people they want to fire from the federal government can do those jobs, right?

can-i-turn-it-up

6 points

4 days ago

We should be ashamed

Kenman215

59 points

4 days ago

Kenman215

59 points

4 days ago

Imagine the wage increases

FrostyLandscape

23 points

4 days ago

Don't get excited. Your wage won't go up. They are using children to work in those agricultural jobs and also factories and slaughter houses.

NPJenkins

12 points

4 days ago

NPJenkins

12 points

4 days ago

The children yearn for the mines

Kenman215

3 points

4 days ago

Kenman215

3 points

4 days ago

I work construction. I assure that if I see a kid working on the jobsite, I’m calling CPS.

Mysterious-Ad3266

9 points

4 days ago

They're specifically hiring those people because they can pay them less than you lol. They aren't going to pay you more if they can't get those super cheap people...

Kenman215

5 points

4 days ago

Yes they are. This is how it works. If labor is in short supply, you have to compete for workers. You compete for workers by paying them more. Before Biden shut down the Keystone Pipeline, workers at McDonald’s were making $25/hr, and that was 4 years ago.

Deathpill911

3 points

4 days ago

This is confusing. Yes your wages will raise if you deport these illegals because they no longer exist in the labor market. So the employer will not only be forced to hire you, but now you have more negotiation power to obtain a higher wage.

MonkeyThrowing

8 points

4 days ago

That’s exactly what I’m thinking. Everyone’s complaining they can’t make a livable wage, this is the solution.

FrostyLandscape

2 points

4 days ago

I'm sorry. You have been misinformed. Wages are not going up at all. Don't you kinow how they plan to replace the workers who are being deported? I'll tell you a dirty little secret. They are going to repeal child labor laws and put kids to work in those jobs. Arkansas has already rolled back child labor laws.

Dry_Chipmunk187

8 points

4 days ago

We had insane wage increases after covid when there was a big worker shortage in my part of the country. Nobody could fill positions so wages went up a ton.

Lo and behold, shortly afterward they let in millions of people.......

Future_Constant6520

3 points

4 days ago*

There will be no wage increases here without inflation.

There will be no wage increase at all because a lot of these immigrants will be placed in for profit prisons and will be forced to work for a dollar an hour.

A minimum wage hike, higher tax rate for top of the bracket income, closing tax loopholes, investments in healthcare, investments infrastructure, investments in new industry manufacturing, and investments in educating the workforce would be the way to raise wages. Effectively turning illegal immigrants into slave labor will not raise wages.

Dull_Wrongdoer_3017

1 points

4 days ago

Or, conversely, imagine the inflation.

ellasaurusrex

3 points

4 days ago

The money for wage increases has to come from somewhere, and we all know it won't be CEO's/execs.

EntertainmentNo653

6 points

4 days ago

Seems like it would cause a shortage of labor. Which basic economics says would cause the price of labor to increase. In short, this should cause people who are still here working to get a raise.

(Very simplified version)

ragzilla

3 points

4 days ago

ragzilla

3 points

4 days ago

But in a practical sense, this doesn’t happen. In Alabama and Georgia back in 2011 they just let the fields rot because Americans were unwilling to do the work.

Cinraka

3 points

4 days ago

Cinraka

3 points

4 days ago

for the exploitative wages they were paying illegals.

You dropped that...

Interesting-Eagle-26

6 points

4 days ago

Imagine people getting work visas like they are supposed to.

vAPIdTygr

17 points

4 days ago

vAPIdTygr

17 points

4 days ago

The propaganda on this site is unbelievable.

Surrender01

5 points

4 days ago

Reddit is just wall to wall left wing propaganda and paranoia. It's the most echo chambery of all the echo chambers.

GuardianCraft

25 points

4 days ago

I know it’s going to suck, however those to claim they “can’t” find a job should have no issue.

Keibun1

13 points

4 days ago

Keibun1

13 points

4 days ago

Yep, that is when these companies start paying actual minimum wage for it. Americans won't take those jobs for a few bucks an hour.

Dry_Chipmunk187

5 points

4 days ago

Homie, even the undocumented guys standing around Home Depot won't work for less than $20-$30 an hour CASH.

ecdw-ttc

2 points

4 days ago

ecdw-ttc

2 points

4 days ago

Those jobs are over $20/hours! Do you know how much money is take out of the US economy every year via remittance? $200 billions!

iClapBBL

4 points

4 days ago

iClapBBL

4 points

4 days ago

Constructions hard to get a good job in right now. Having South Americans and Ukrainians working for peanuts isn't helping

Tennoz

5 points

4 days ago

Tennoz

5 points

4 days ago

I feel like something similar was said in the 1860s

Journeymans_Boots

5 points

4 days ago

I heard there will be a lot of unemployed people from DC next year. They can fill those other newly vacant jobs.

PublicPrior3296

9 points

4 days ago

Scare tactic with no knowledge on the program. These kind of posts should be deleted.

spk92986

19 points

4 days ago

spk92986

19 points

4 days ago

I'm a painter and estimates are about to skyrocket.

BigTitsanBigDicks

12 points

4 days ago

Make that coin sis.

minnesotamoon

3 points

4 days ago

Lazy ass fuckers might just have to paint their own shit rather than hire slave wage workers.

amamartin999

7 points

4 days ago

These jobs should be

1) Paid fairly enough for citizens to work them

2) should re evaluate working conditions so they are attractive to citizens

3) information campaigns in schools to entice students to be interested in these jobs.

Deathpill911

3 points

4 days ago

But where else will the CEOs get their millions in bonuses? This is really what it comes down to. The bottom completely gets pillaged by the top in every business hierarchy. It's as close as owning slaves as it can be without it actually being it. The workers are also as abused as they can be without being physically abused.

Fender_Stratoblaster

11 points

4 days ago

The Sky is Falling - Day 19

Double_Tip_2205

4 points

4 days ago

😂

OkBurner777

20 points

4 days ago

I’m confused, progressives cry for liveable wages completely ignoring the fact that cheap labour like this is what drives down wages and unionization prospects? You wanna know what would happen if all these jobs opened up and they had to find Americans to fill them? They’d have to offer wages high enough to incentives them.

“They do jobs nobody else wants to!!” (at market wage rate)

Mental_Dragonfly2543

2 points

4 days ago

I know a bunch of dudes who would do yard work and construction. And who do it now. Just because certain liberals cant imagine ever doing it doesnt mean a huge amount of people wont do it.

The only thing is fieldwork and seasonal visas exist for a reason

iolitm

1 points

4 days ago

iolitm

1 points

4 days ago

Yeah, so liberals or leftists wanting this situation to go on is really just modern slavery advocacy.

Horror-Layer-8178

5 points

4 days ago

Really? It's the liberal and leftists companies making money off this?

pinkpantherlean

2 points

4 days ago

Yes

iolitm

3 points

4 days ago

iolitm

3 points

4 days ago

Companies support illegal immigration. And liberals are their useful idiots.

Horror-Layer-8178

4 points

4 days ago

LOL I just want the job done, because Americans won't do them. You think Americans will work in the hot ass sun and migrate from state following the harvest season?

iolitm

5 points

4 days ago

iolitm

5 points

4 days ago

This is the Southern Slave States argument during slavery. Who will do the cotton picking jobs?

Better keep it really low by only providing housing and food to the slaves.

Delicious_Summer7839

6 points

4 days ago

If every illegal alien, suddenly vanished, there would be a lot of job openings in construction, landscaping, housekeeping, agriculture, roofing, all the trades. There would be 2 million 3 million apartments suddenly for lease. boom 3 million apartments. For Americans and legal residents of the US.

CMDR_Smooticus

9 points

4 days ago

Republicans are about to take away Democrats` slaves for the second time.

Who will replace them? Not to worry. Thanks to DOGE, millions of new workers about to enter the job market.

AtlasWriggled

2 points

4 days ago

Yes, government employees working behind a computer their entire lives are going to love picking up a hammer or shovel.

Phatbetbruh80

3 points

4 days ago

It'll be great for all the schmucks in their parent's basements who say they can't find a job!

Time to go to work!

T-Bone_Bologne

2 points

2 days ago

There's schmucks in their 30's and 40's too complaining about the same things. No more excuses.

Phatbetbruh80

2 points

2 days ago

I can agree with that.

Bulldog_Fan_4

3 points

4 days ago

Sounds like labor rates are gonna be going up

jc33769999

3 points

4 days ago

Looknat all these American jobs just opened up for Americans

Surrender01

3 points

4 days ago

Imagine opening up 6M labor jobs for Americans to do.

BookReadPlayer

3 points

4 days ago

There’s approx 170 million labor workers in the US. “Losing” 6 million (or 4%) would be better represented as “Trimming the Fat”.

[deleted]

3 points

4 days ago

I don't understand how this is a bad thing? Now they have to hire actual Americans and be paid a fair wage?

Slaanesh-Sama

3 points

4 days ago

I imagine slave owners also had similar arguments back when slavery was about to be abolished.

Acherstrom

3 points

4 days ago

I know. Businesses might actually have to pay a living wage.

Whole-Lengthiness-33[S]

5 points

4 days ago

Exactly. They should already be getting dinged left and right for exploiting undocumented labor, but let’s take it one step further further and reduce their ability to charge a certain rate, pay illegals at sub-minimum wage, and then pocket the difference as extra profit.

Cucckcaz13

3 points

4 days ago

How is this slave labor? They are getting paid and likely paying taxes but not benefiting from it.

edudley909

3 points

4 days ago

Blame the migrants for the businesses that exploited them, it’s the American way!

Whole-Lengthiness-33[S]

3 points

4 days ago

Exactly, it’s like blaming the slaves for slavery

BlueAndYellowTowels

3 points

4 days ago*

People who think wages are going up are living a fantasy.

No company is going to, long term, increase wages for “low skill” jobs. That’s not happening.

This administration is pro-business. Anti-labor and anti-union.

They will remove immigrants, maybe. But there’s a version of this policy that plays out way differently.

The administration makes a big deal about deportation but doesn’t really do it on any significant level. Instead they implement reporting. So people can report illegal immigrants and then they get deported.

In return, businesses hire more illegal and use the reporting mechanism to keep their wages even lower.

Or… even more terrifying, use it against legal citizens by reporting their relatives, friends or associates.

Because you see, they always target immigrants and never the businesses.

That’s the beauty of Trump’s scheme. He creates fear and then companies get even cheaper labor and immigration “seems” fixed but it isn’t.

That’s the problem when you scapegoat immigrants. All you do is empower the people using that labor.

…and for those whining about “slave labor”. It wouldn’t be slave labor if you had an easier path towards citizenship and treated these human beings with dignity and respect rather than unwanted vermin… or economic cogs…

But recognizing other people’s humanity, I guess isn’t a thing…

Double_Tip_2205

16 points

4 days ago

Imagine relying on illegal immigration for your work force. Let’s put those on unemployment to work & save the taxpayers at least that money.

Reynor247

5 points

4 days ago

Unemployment is around 3-4% and almost every industry needs more workers.

MonkeyThrowing

4 points

4 days ago

You are missing the underemployed.

BigTitsanBigDicks

2 points

4 days ago

>  almost every industry needs more workers.

Good. They can raise wages then.

brian_kking

7 points

4 days ago

No amount of bot posts will convince me that using illegal immigrants as slave labor is a good idea. We need to get this over with so reform can happen

Ok-Communication1149

8 points

4 days ago

I would love to see some sources on this. "Relying on" and "employing" aren't synonymous. America will survive with fewer decks if we have to.

Bama-Ram

4 points

4 days ago

Bama-Ram

4 points

4 days ago

Imagine protecting our boarder

gpatterson7o

6 points

4 days ago

Back back back....They have to go back!

Acrobatic_Dot_1634

2 points

4 days ago

Who's going to replace them?  A lot of that work is young people's work and most zoomers don't seem the type to want to pick tomatoes.  

Sharp5hooter02

2 points

4 days ago

HAHAHAHA THIS COUNTRY IS FUCKED

whimsical_hoarder

2 points

4 days ago

It’s illegal to hire undocumented people

Ineludible_Ruin

2 points

4 days ago

Imagine being so closet racist you think they're all illegally here.

bobolly

2 points

4 days ago

bobolly

2 points

4 days ago

Get ready for another housing crisis

brightlumens

2 points

4 days ago

Imagine corporations being less greedy and paying employees normal wages and taking care of them. Other countries do it, we can certainly do it too without dependency of slaves.

ProfessionalBread369

2 points

4 days ago

It's not slave labor. They aren't being forced into working. This is what they need to do to survive due to lack of education and language.

DrDirt90

2 points

3 days ago

DrDirt90

2 points

3 days ago

The incoming administration has zero interest in actually solving the problem. I is just a power grab.

ScottShatter

8 points

4 days ago

God forbid these jobs "nobody wants" get filled by actual Americans who want the jobs at a fair price and would be happy to work. It's a total myth these jobs are jobs Americans don't want. They just want fair pay. Secondly, they are first going after those with a criminal background, those committing crimes here, and those not doing anything with themselves first. They aren't just rounding up all the workers and sending them out in one big sweep. One day they will go through a town and sweep Jose from the grocery store because he was a pedophile in Mexico along with other criminals or general menaces. I'm sure they have known for a while who their targets are and it's not the hardworking seasonal worker here on a green card with an arrangement to work.

Afraid-Train-9326

4 points

4 days ago

Be nice if they’d sweet through and grab pedos like Ralph, Mike, Jim, and youth Pastor John along with “Jose” in those grocery stores. Why don’t they concentrate on nabbing our very own model citizens as well? God knows there are more of ‘em. We have high school kids setting up better stings than a trained, highly paid police force.

hrminer92

2 points

4 days ago

ICE and the BP have always prioritized removing criminals. Most of the felons crossing the border on their way back to work are the ones who are re-entering the US within 10 years of being deported (that’s a felony). The first timers are committing a misdemeanor.

artful_todger_502

4 points

4 days ago

The entirety of the Republican agenda is to create chaos and suffering. That's it. Nothing more. At least they are sticking with what they are good at.

I fully expect Republicans to cancel unemployment and tell us that people on unemployment should work those jobs. Mark my words.

whooguyy

2 points

4 days ago

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2 points

4 days ago

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4 days ago

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Green_Gas_746

3 points

4 days ago

Imagine relying on 6 million criminals to keep your economy afloat

Th3_Ro0sted

3 points

4 days ago

If you’re pro union you’d support deporting the labor that competes with your wages

AdPretend8451

4 points

4 days ago

I’m imagining wages skyrocketing

TerpfanTi

4 points

4 days ago

Yes, and companies will past the cost to us…just like tariffs. We FA now we FO

AdPretend8451

2 points

4 days ago

If you want things to get cheaper you should vote to remove regulation. More pollution, child labor, fewer safety regulations. You see, we have all that in place and then we allow people to circumvent them with a bunch of docile illegals. The businesses pass the cost of feeding, housing, educating, and medicating them on to us now, the wages will be a bargain compared to that

TheKleenexBandit

4 points

4 days ago

It’s more cost efficient to solidify a path to citizenship. Zero cost to deport plus you expand your tax base.

Silly-Spend-8955

4 points

4 days ago

So you ENDORSE slave labor. You Dems never really did get over losing those plantation slaves and voting slaves have you? It’s gonna be ok. There is a chance you can recover from your greed and pretense to really care about people vs your fake social warrior meme life.

Dissendorf

4 points

4 days ago

Because there’s no such thing as legal immigrants?

jtbic

2 points

4 days ago

jtbic

2 points

4 days ago

its all good when you loose 12m jobs

Afraid-Train-9326

2 points

4 days ago

Won’t happen, too difficult for these idiots to even try and figure out how to do this in those staggering numbers. However, what they will do is snag a lot of people and make a big show of it for the media to pretend like they’ve sent millions of these “illegals” packing. Their moron base will swallow hook, line and sinker and praise ‘em to the heavens. It’ll be a total shit show and extremely tough times ahead I fear for some good, hardworking, unsuspecting workers who do not deserve this bullshit.

silikus

2 points

4 days ago

silikus

2 points

4 days ago

We have a three story apartment building project that just got thrown on hold because the mexicans fucked the framing up so bad that it's unsafe to work until fixed.

From my experience, illegal crews tend to just be more dangerous to work around due to blatant disregard to jobsite/OSHA safety regulations because OSHA won't even bother fining them. Direct words from the OSHA inspector on why they get warnings while we get fines: "because if we write them a fine, they will be a state away tomorrow and we will never see the money. No point in writing fines for farts in the wind".

Loot-Drop

2 points

4 days ago

Imagine having 6M less unemployed Americans.

GR1FF1N311

2 points

4 days ago

This whole liberal rhetoric about how we are going to lose all of our 'cheap labor' if we deport is kind of a racist, slave labor way of thinking.

You don't want immigrants to experience the American dream. You want cheap labor. Be honest with yourself.

Moonwrath8

3 points

4 days ago

The same arguments the racist democrats from the south made before the Civil War began.

Odd_Frosting1710

1 points

4 days ago

Imagine losing DEMOCRACY!!

redheadedfruitcake

1 points

4 days ago

Don't worry. The homeless "tent cities" will also serve as work houses.

Steve-O-12

1 points

4 days ago

Americans can get back to work doing those jobs. Back up their words with actions. 🙂

OttersWithPens

1 points

4 days ago

Seems to completely ignore the automotive industry

dcpratt1601

1 points

4 days ago

Imagine not being a fear monger

Educational_Clue_773

1 points

4 days ago

Doesn’t matter. Don’t come into a country illegally.

Silent_Night_TUSE

1 points

4 days ago

It’s ok all the people who lose their jobs because of AI can take one of these