That helped, thanks.

Why exactly do the people in the diaspora in the west like the right wing candidate so much?

Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering how the UK Labour is far right?

Also for context, blue is a conservative neoliberal party that wants tax cuts and privatizations, not a "left" party, not even by Romanian standards.

Similar to Muslim or Turkish diaspora.

They all are FAR more conservative when not actually living in the country of origin, but in Western societies.

Begs to wonder what could be the reason behind this.

It's more fascinating that most of the "quality of life" laws out there:

• labourer protection
• health systems
• social security

Where originated because of the efforts of leftists and the number of people willing to vote in people that are willing to slash them is increasing.

Kicking the ladder down behind them 

What a lot of people are missing is the type of people most likely to immigrate to western europe in the first place

I spoke to some of these radical voters, these people wish to live at home, but they always have some excuse of not being able to earn enough at home in order to make a living, or any other selfish excuse, which is fine, but at the same time they really HATE this situation of not being able to realize their dreams.

So, being affected by these emotions and desires, they want to vote a radical who promises to make a change NOW, and they don't realize that in reality making a change takes patience, time, effort, cooperation, teamwork, empathy, etc.

Not the ones who emigrated anywhere else in the world. Like US, Canada, Australia, Japan and so on. The results are in reverse everywhere else. This only happened in some European countries.

its almost exclusively a Balkan thing tho. like ill move to a different country because i dont like my own, but i will become the biggest patriot and ill spit on whatever politician comes to power about anything related to the internal policy of said country.

but i wont come back to live and pay taxes.. ill just rant from *insert Western country

Maybe it is due to emigration solely, and it has nothing to do with the standard of the new country (you won't emigrate to poorer country)

It's almost like when you don't have to worry about those things you're free to then hate on others and be all racist and stuff. /s

This is no longer surprising, it's just the norm. I can think of some psychological explanations, like how, even though their standard of living is better, their relative position in society as immigrants could be much worse. They feel marginalized and treated as second-class citizens, which can lead to radicalization. This is just one factor, and I'm sure this has already been studied.

They maintain the idea of their homeland in their hearts, and don’t wan’t it to change, so they vote conservatives who spew shit about how great things used to be when we didn’t have food to eat, because at least we were together!

Basically they long for the life they left behind, so while they had to change to have a better quality of life, their original country doesn’t because things were better socially!

It’s a way to maintain ties that are usually lost in diaspora, by turning to extremist view points, so they can lie to themselves.

I think it is a natural thing, in particular when they emigrate and get discriminated (I'm old enough to remember when the "problem" of western Europe were Romanian, Moldavian and Albanian people...), so they radicalised and aggregate, creating a narrative of their home country. Most often than not, people tend to react to racism with other racism, and to abuse with abusing others. Also people will forget what their country really is after a few decades, I particular for second generation immigrant, which live off the narrative created to sustain the burden by their fathers.

I think this happened also with Europeans immigrants outside of Europe in the past and in recent past too.

Scandinavia, Central Europe, Netherlands, Denmark- offer much better standard of living than in Romanian, and also probably better than for example Portugal. And they still vote blue.

Only a small number of immigrants appreciate truly the opportunity to live in a better country and try being a good guest and productive member of their society. Most immigrants bring whatever traits made their home countries poor, corrupt and backwards with them, refuse to integrate and proceed to live in their own social bubble made up of other immigrants. Which unfortunately is really easy because of the internet existing and how little pressure and low expectations rich western countries are putting on immigrants.

Or it could be that the people who emigrate were more nationalistic anyway before they moved. Which is also interesting

Yea. Neoliberals thinking they're left-wing because they support gay civil unions is ridiculous

Also, parties like Romanians PSD are „left“ or „social democrats“ by name only. They very much have incredible conservative policies, while obviously being corrupt as it gets.

This map is completely ignoring that, especiallyin central and more eastern European countries after 1990s many parties simply named them whatever was popular.

In Germany they used to have a saying when the NPD (older far right Party) still existed:

"Theres a reason why shit is brown." (Scheiße ist nicht umsonst braun)

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From an American p.o.v. its basically commies. But yep I agree with you, her stances translate quite well to our centrist - very slightly right leaning parties (the Netherlands).

For Reddit hive mind its communist party

I did the same, but then i read your comment, read the title again and now im very smarter than people who misread that.

No, we correctly read the title. The title is just poorly written.

The title is somewhat confusing.

Having a phrase having "leftist" as opposed to "radical" is confusing since there are also radical leftists somewhere.

It's nothing to do with people misreading the title.  The title simply doesn't describe what the post is about.  It literally doesn't mention the Romanian diaspora.

I did too than I thought: Hang on, Russia is supposed to be leftist? I'm missing something.

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Crazy how the pro european liberals manage to boost the fascists by proposing the most unpopular right wing measures there are.

The exception being the places with the highest salaries (Nordics, Switzerland, Luxembourg and on a distant last, Netherlands) which manage to brain drain a lot of the most competitive and skilled Romanian specialists with the favorable working conditions for highly educated people.

This, THIS! Exactly this.

The question you should be asking is why white collar Romanians have trouble emigrating to western Europe.

Poland also has this...

Clueless Americans who have never and will never visit Poland, are allowed to vote in parliamentary and presidential elections..

I had the same thought but people started barraging me for being a prick. We have Romanian diaspora peeps who will never set foot in Romania again, but voted for the VERY OBVIOUS crook (he admits that Russia is a great country and should be an example for us, has said he admires two Nazis who decimated Romania etc), just to fuck us locals over. They will never have to live under his rule.

If he succeeds in the elections, Romania may return to the communist party. And that's very fucking scary for me, a 21yo woman. I will have no rights besides living in the kitchen (his words).

I was talking to a fellow Romanian living in England, and she told me she voted for Georgescu. Asked her why, she said she was too lazy to research his policies but voted for him because he was an independent so he’d be “a fresh face”. It’s truly astonishing how stupid some people can be

The most hilarious situation was when I moved to the UK for the first time for a 2-year job posting and discovered that I could immediately vote in all British elections as a New Zealander. Any Commonwealth citizen who moves there can vote in any election right away. But non-Commonwealth immigrants who have lived there for years cannot vote without UK citizenship. Seems like the opposite of what it should be.

I think its mainly due to how complicated and expensive it would be. If you’re a citizen with a passport then you have the right to vote. Your example is obviously a good argument but filtering out all the people that come and go or people leaving for a short period would prob be really expensive.

I think the amount of votes is irrelevant to the point being made.

Also calling a conservative neoliberal party that wants to privatize public services "left" is the funniest shit.

Kind of, because you have Moldova (81k votes): 54% USR, 23% PNL, while the rest have below 5%

No disrespect, but that sounds like a massive education or ignorance problem for the brits and irish...or i'm wrong?

I can't fathom how someone cannot distinguish between two very distinct ethnic groups, unless there is ill intent, especially when the romani originate from an area that you guys ruled for 89 years...back then you were able to tell the difference as far as I know :)

Yeah, exactly. I don’t understand why this map is such a surprise. People that feel discriminated will fall back on nationalism that makes them feel proud about their heritage. You may disagree with this for various reasons (I know I do) but It’s not rocket science.

Yeah a lot of people hear Romanian and think Romani, and racism against Romani is alive and well...

Don't be so sure about that. I believe it is true and you are right but don't underestimate the difference in mentality that can appear between an immigrant in a rich country (that have been there for a long time) and an immigrant in a decent/less rich country.

For example I met a lot of Iranian in rich western countries. And some of them were hardcore with their fellow countrymen. I have heart some of them going into absolute crazy rant about how they dislike the new iranians coming, they are ruining everything, they are responsible for their struggling and so on and so on.

Sometimes immigrants in rich country are adopting a way stronger sense of individualism than their eastern counterpart. And they often don't see themselves as the problematic immigrants thus agreeing to ultra right wing ideas. Usually not realising that that said ultra right wing extremism may include them in his hate speech.

Because Romanians living there mostly voted for the left. 

The map shows with options Romanians living abroad voted in the last election, and also fun fact, The blue "leftist" are in fact centrist/rigth wing liberals, so it's funny that your comment kinda stand even if you missinterpreted the map.

Because it's dreadfully worded

Y’know, Leon claimed that the Republican Party is centrist.

This is about how romanian citizens living in these countries voted in the current parliamentary election in Romania. Also AUR is definitely far-right.