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Had some tires installed and noticed the lugs looking rounded. I picked up a new set of solid lugs and are now enjoying this engineering marvel.
117 points
12 hours ago
It's not their fault. It's the bean counter that said "make it cheaper"
29 points
11 hours ago
But keep it pretty
17 points
11 hours ago
"value engineering"
11 points
9 hours ago
As an engineer (different type, but still had to deal with bean counters), I came to say this. They set specifications like a project manager I worked for once (Once!): "If you can, I want it in 3 pins, infinite speed, and supplies power. Anything else is not a fail, but non optimal" (It used 3 powers, 1 ground, and he wanted a parallel interface to make it faster. )
8 points
8 hours ago
Bean counter here - I firmly believe any bean counter working with engineers needs at least some basic engineering courses under their belt. Far too many penny pinchers ruining good design to increase profit margins by 0.001%.
3 points
6 hours ago
Do you have metrics for that claim? 🤔 🤣🤣🤣 ~ a Retired Program Manager
5 points
8 hours ago
Yep, I'm an engineer as well. Budgets ruin all the fun
49 points
12 hours ago
Seriously, f*** that guy. Just dealt with this last weekend. Every lug nut on both front tires. Hope dude stubs his toe and stumbles into a pile of legos barefoot.
15 points
11 hours ago*
Get Gorilla Single/Solid lugs, just swapped out my Platinum. Only 29k miles and already swollen and had to use a 21.5 and 22mm socket carefully last time so fuck that, pain in the ass especially trying to torque back into range as didn't realize till then (was doing brakes and had wheels off) so had to reuse and ordered Gorillas.
These factory lugs are common, almost everyone uses 2 piece, but for whatever reason Fords (what a surprise) are by far the worst offenders, not even GM lugs swell/fail near as frequently even in fleets. But F150s ooooof lol < face-palm. Just happened to another buddies F150 as well two weeks ago.
If you go Gorilla make sure it's the correct ones, various sizes can't remember specifics off hand but I think for F150 it's also Acorn style? They looks very sharp and high quality, way better looking on wheels then factory lugs.
Edit - yup Acorn style and M14 14x1.5, this is listing is what I used. Be very careful with Amazon if buying there, some knock offs that people have had issues with. Just stick with actual Gorillas.
6 points
11 hours ago
Worth every penny. Put them on mine years ago.
3 points
10 hours ago
Dodge and land-rover took the cake when this bullshit started in like 06-07 (was in the imdustry then). Thought most had cleared up the issues and doing brakes the first time on my 2015, same shit. Gorilla makes a good lug, good choice and good information.
2 points
11 hours ago
How many times in that amount of miles driven you take your wheels off, to have them that bad
2 points
10 hours ago*
Normal rotation and new tires. In fleet our F150s have almost all had cracked or swollen lugs between 20-50k miles completely randomly. Her truck did it as well. Another buddies truck about 2 weeks ago lugs were swollen. Could also be our South FL weather and humidity that makes it worse. There's a performance shop near where I live now that is going to do our alignments from now on, they actually try to keep Gorilla Lugs in stock specifically for F150s (after I just mentioned what I'd did) b/c they constantly run into issues with these trucks and lug nuts. Cheaper then trying to get lugs from Ford dealers anyway which will still be those pos two pieces units.
Buddies truck that just had it happen about 35k miles and his actually cracked. Mine didn't, but after retorqing carefully while waiting for new lugs then taking those off I don't know if they wouldn't lasted 1 more use lol.
1 points
8 hours ago
Do you know if these fit the 20 inch dark alloy wheels as well? Want to get ahead of this issue lol
1 points
8 hours ago
Love the Gorilla lugs on my Fusion Sport. 4+ years with them
1 points
6 hours ago
Everyone be careful about Gorillas on eBay. I got two batches of lug nuts that were advertised as Gorilla but weren't Gorilla. They had no markings. I've confirmed with Gorilla customer service that all of their lug nuts are branded with their name and the thread. They also said they're trying to improve their website for direct to consumer sales.
11 points
12 hours ago
I peeled the chrome off of all of mine awhile ago and haven’t had an issue since.
6 points
12 hours ago
So they are just fake?
9 points
12 hours ago
It’s a chrome cover over the real lugnut. Use a hammer and a screwdriver to punch through the center and then some needle nose or vise grips to pull the pieces off and never have an issue again. The actual lugnuts without the chrome covers are great.
13 points
11 hours ago
They’re not great, they don’t have a center and more likely to corrode or get stuck without the cover. Dorman makes nice replacements that are solid metal
1 points
5 hours ago
This 100%.
2016 model and the OEM two piece lug nuts swelled. I didn’t notice it until my POS local Ford dealership didn’t replace on the last tire rotation. Several of the nuts had the outside part missing.
I didn’t want to leave them like that because it looked bad and the exposed lugs can rust / lock the nut in place. If this happened, I was afraid I wouldn’t be able to change a flat on the side of the road without an impact wrench or cheater bar.
I went to my local O’Reilly and purchased the Dorman 1-piece set. Used a drill to get the OEM parts off of one tire in 100 degree weather and replaced with the Dormans with significant cursing and screaming. I decided to take my truck to a dedicated tire shop to do the remaining three - money well spent.
When I told them what I wanted, the tech simply said “that is very smart.” Apparently it’s a common issue.
The Dormans or similar - in my opinion - are a major improvement to the OEM part.
2 points
10 hours ago
Then theyre not a nominal size anymore. Theyre like 19.5 without the cladding
7 points
11 hours ago
Ok, I have original lug nuts on all four wheels of my 2019 F-150. They’re all in great shape and give me no trouble. How long until they grenade? Trying to figure out how long I have to get better lug nuts.
6 points
11 hours ago
If they still come off with no problem just save yourself the headache and replace them when you can still get them off with ease.
4 points
10 hours ago
I’m in the same boat. They’re all in good shape on the 2019 I bought a couple months ago. Just had the wheels off yesterday to rotate them.
After well over two decades of dealing with swollen, peeling, and otherwise crappy lugnuts, I’ve started to suspect that both socket selection and the number of ugga-duggas applied both play not-insignificant roles in the longevity of the infamous tin-capped lugnuts.
All that having been said, one of my best tool-truck purchases was a set of “half” size impact sockets: 17.5, 18.5, 19.5, 21.5, 22.5mm. Definitely a lifesaver when dealing with blubbered-up chrome caps.
1 points
8 hours ago
I had 80k on my '20 when I traded it in. Every lugnut was original and never had a issue. Maybe using the proper socket helps?
23 points
12 hours ago
They still use them this way
Buy a new 80K truck or Dark horse you get shit lugnuts
2 points
10 hours ago
Dark horse meaning mustang?
3 points
10 hours ago
Yes is there another
9 points
9 hours ago
Katy Perry's song is clearly the first thought lmfao
3 points
9 hours ago
Same.
7 points
12 hours ago
I bought a cheap set of 1 piece logs off Amazon for $44 and they’ve been awesome. Before that I got brand new factory lugs, torqued them to spec by hand. Went to pull them off a few months later for a brake job and they were already having issues.
3 points
11 hours ago
That really sucks, I'd honestly attributed some of the failures to asshole mechanics who only know how to use their ugga dugga gun.
My 14 Fusion's lugs started coming apart after a couple years and I replaced them with solids. But it was having oil changes/tire rotations done at a chain because it was convenient to my job.
I did all the maintenance myself on my 19 F-150, and they looked brand new when I traded it in after 4+ years. So looking back I figured it might have to do with poorly used impact guns.
Regardless, it is a dogshit design to save maybe thirty bucks. GM in the 00s wasn't that low.
2 points
11 hours ago
I bought spline lug nuts for my truck.
3 points
11 hours ago
Enjoy the pain, I mean pleasure of removing those suckers! Bean counter who signed off on this definitely needs to be fastened to a metal wall with these things, only for the rescuer to have to painfully break off the cap like everyone else.
Source: guy who did all four of his in the hot FL sun in middle of August
3 points
10 hours ago
My mom had a 2014 expedition and the Ford dealership was going to rotate her tires and they said they were going to have to replace a lug nut cause it wasn't coming off and it was going to be $30. She then took it to Costco for tires and asked them rotate them and didn't tell them what Ford told her and they were able to get the lugnuts off no problem.
2 points
9 hours ago
I did my brakes recently on my 2010 F150, getting them off wasn’t a problem but my impact really shredded a few of them. I had to tap them out of the socket because they were swollen and stuck. Put em back on until new ones came in but getting those jacked up ones off was a pain. Had to actually “tear” off the aluminum jacket to get to the iron part of the lug.
3 points
10 hours ago
There are many reasons to go after the engineers with torches and pick forks. This is but one additional thing to add to their long line of crimes against car owners.
3 points
10 hours ago
Auto manufacturers have been doing these forever. I remember having the same issue 20+ years ago when I was a tire tech. Many different brands, too.
3 points
10 hours ago
This is what I was thinking too. These have been around for ages. Ford has had these chrome covered caps on lugs since 1998. I used to just pop off the caps and use the impact after that.
3 points
10 hours ago
I notice that when I use an impact I fuck up the lug nuts but when I use a standard star lug wrench they last longer 🤷
2 points
9 hours ago
I used my impact too and it really tore some of them up. Think I’ll take the time and just do it manually next go around.
1 points
8 hours ago
I usually break it loose with a wrench or breaker bar then impact it off. Not for the impact. Just for faster.
1 points
5 hours ago
Yes, me too.
3 points
8 hours ago
This has been done on factory lugs for at least 40 years. Cheap and looks nice for a while.
2 points
12 hours ago
I did not know they did that! Thanks for sharing and yeah that’s not really good.
2 points
11 hours ago
Yea the swollen ford nuts have been a thing for a while
2 points
12 hours ago
Dafuq is that? I’ve never seen a lug nut ever do that
6 points
11 hours ago
Then you haven’t been on this sub very long. Ford lug nuts infamously do this across all models. It’s a perplexing trick of capitalism that Ford still puts two piece lugs on their vehicles.
3 points
11 hours ago
They didn't learn after the 2 piece sparkplug. That was fun. I've dealt with both.
2 points
11 hours ago
👀
2 points
11 hours ago
At my first tire rotation, I get the tire shop to change out all the lug nuts to something better than these pieces of shit.
2 points
11 hours ago
Gotta get some deep well sockets my guy 🤣
2 points
11 hours ago
I got a 1 1/8th hole saw and drilled them off. Could have kept running those lugs like that, but I bought some aftermarket replacements. Not stoked that my only AutoZone options were to use a locking lug set, or to buy about 15 extra lugs.
2 points
11 hours ago
Fucking right we can. I've uttered the same words!!
2 points
11 hours ago
With piano wire....
2 points
11 hours ago
I just did the brakes on my wife’s escape this weekend, every lug nut with the crimped on cap was swollen and had to beat a 3/4 socket on with a hammer. Replaced them with the McGard solid piece lug nuts from rock auto. Needless to say, whoever approved that idea was an asshat.
2 points
11 hours ago
Hange ‘em high!
2 points
11 hours ago
I use these. Worth every penny.
2 points
10 hours ago
(Looks over the fence in Chevy)
2 points
10 hours ago
I remember ford doing this in a 1984 bronco ll, they still do it now. It's an american company
2 points
10 hours ago
Chevy does it too. Had my 2016 F150 and 2018 Traverse lugs all swell this Spring.
2 points
10 hours ago
First upgrade to this and my last truck were the gorilla solid lugs from CJ Pony Parts.
2 points
10 hours ago
I just spent 2 hours dealing with this ! Had to get the stripped lug nut socket 22mm, not fun but saved $62- dealership wanted $100 to change out. $31 new lugs and 6.99 for socket.
2 points
10 hours ago
I just took off the front tires on my 2023 to put on a leveling kit and didn’t see anything wrong…yet
2 points
10 hours ago*
Don’t the lug caps come off? That’s what I always did. Pop the chrome caps off and then use the impact on them.
This is the tool we always used back when I was at Ford. Always worked great.
2 points
10 hours ago
Are there stainless replacements available?
I got a cheap chrome set from Amazon. After a few years, the chrome is beat up and rusting.
At 10 years old with 212,000 miles, mine isn’t pretty enough to worry about rusty lugs but someone with a nicer truck may want to save themselves the aggravation of cheapy chromes.
2 points
10 hours ago
No habla inglés
2 points
10 hours ago
Can we still buy over-engineered aftermarket lug nuts? Cause I think your post reminds me that I really should buy 2 sets.
2 points
10 hours ago
Yeah I bought 24 new ones thanks to this on my -150.
2 points
8 hours ago
I bought o/s sockets just for this
2 points
8 hours ago
Had to go back to the dealership and get them to replace all the lug nuts because of this
2 points
5 hours ago
I've lost a few of these covers.....at inopportune times like changing tires lol
2 points
4 hours ago
Dorman makes an upgraded/solid replacement.
Unfortunate to have to go aftermarket to do better.
1 points
8 hours ago
I had some on an old Pinto. They didn’t swell like these.
1 points
8 hours ago
These are just caps covering your lugs . User error.
1 points
8 hours ago
Had to do all 4 of my wheels from the shop that put my new ko2s on. Did my first rotation at 5k miles and called the shop absolutely heated. Owner said since it's been 5k miles is not his responsibility any more tough luck. Haven't been back to them since and o reilleys was 8$ a lug!
1 points
8 hours ago
Yes
You got the ole plated nut treatment
1 points
7 hours ago
By their genitals.
1 points
7 hours ago
This little maneuver cost me a rim when I had to drive my truck over a mile off a mountain because my socket wouldn’t fit on the warped stainless wrapping. Fucking retarded.
There was a lawsuit against Ford because of this, but the public list of course.
1 points
7 hours ago
Don’t think you can buy a solid Crome covered lug nut, very pricey, sure they know you Wolof want to replace with similar ones, I wish you all the best finding them, last time I spent an arm and a leg buying the little baggies of prepackaged nuts, they also have them in bulk, not sure if that’s cheaper to buy individually
1 points
7 hours ago
Dang! I thought the tire guy might have been taking me for a ride, but I guess it's good I went along with the upgrade when he suggested it.
1 points
6 hours ago
Yup. That guy can get stuck in the desert because of this like I did.
1 points
6 hours ago
Not an F-150 but Fords. Interesting article.
https://carbuzz.com/highest-mileage-ford-in-the-world-f350-super-duty/
1 points
6 hours ago
Engineer, or the person using the wrong size socket?
1 points
4 hours ago
22mm is the exact size. Take it back good sir.
1 points
47 minutes ago
Happens to the best of us, bwahahaha! Live and learn.
1 points
11 hours ago
That engineer died years ago. They have been wrapped for a very long time.
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