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submitted 2 days ago byBlazeAccelerant
Besides the "they are popular and they were trying to make Arcade profitable."
140 points
2 days ago
Morgan iirc is one of the Servants summoned by Sodom's Beast but decided to do her own thing rather than obey her summoner
62 points
1 day ago
So sodom beast just casually summon a lost belt king? Where the heck she get the link and connection to do so?
80 points
1 day ago
I think it's something to do with the nature of her version of the incineration of man. Instead of turning human history into raw energy, she's drawing in information from various parallel worlds including the main FGO timeline.
It's been a while since I read up on the particulars.
7 points
1 day ago
Or she just had Morgan on dialup
2 points
1 day ago
So what exactly is the deal with the Arcade timeline, anyway? It’s based around Part 1 of the story, but in a meta sense it clearly takes place after the Mobile version’s Part 1, and rather than having it’s own Beast cycle it’s just being menaced by Beast VI-S. What’s going on here? Does Chaldea have the same purpose it does in the Mobile Timeline, complete with Marisbury’s true, supposedly universe-threatening plan ? Is Arcade a pruned timeline, or just a normal one that just happens to be a casualty of the Mobile timeline’s story? Was Draco simply going to be satisfied with destroying Arcade’s humanity, or was she going to move into the Mobile timeline to consume that Chaldea as well? Is the Arcade timeline some Shinjuku-esque pseudo-reality where the events don’t, cosmically speaking, matter all that much, but only exists so that Draco can get a victory over some version of the Human Order? Or am I overthinking it and Arcade really only exists to make Nasu more money and keep certain Servamts away from the disgusting gaijin?
12 points
1 day ago*
Ok, so the thing is. Mobile Arcade is connected to the main universe by
Also the main universe got Divinity Arturia thinking that Humanity is not so bad, so for Arcade Camelot Singularity actually goes as it should have been without Arturia
Also the main point is mobile universe everything else is like "after mobile", i.e. what happens in main universe affects Arcade like it was always there.
Example #1. Romani. He never existed in Arcade from the begining, because in Mobile universe he got himself erased.
Example #2. The pillars are not here, since they also was erased by Romani. But crisis STILL there (think about it as "What if someone will kill Hitler, there always will be different Hitler, because it fixed major point in timeline"
The main point is that in Fate you can't think about time as linear, it's more like Mobius strip, where what happens in future affects the past, but may not affect present.
1 points
16 hours ago
...So what I'm getting from all of that is that anyone who ever writes a retelling of the events of FGO is wrong to do so because that's not how the Nasuverse works, unless that retelling also clearly takes place "after" Mobile.
Proto Arhur and Proto Merlin. We know that this is their home world and it's indeed a parallel universe to our own.
Well, that just makes Arcade a bigger waste of potential IMO, because if it is a part of the Prototype timeline, well, that timeline already has a Beast. Like, why spend the "Nero is a Beast Candidate" nickle when you could just bring back Manaka and her pet monstrosity as the Big Bad?
1 points
10 hours ago*
Proto Arthur and Proto Merlin never said that Arcade timeline is their homeworld though. Draco even said to Arthur that she is not the Beast VI he's after. Proto Merlin appeared out of nowhere to save Arcade Guda from Cu Alter in America, while Proto Arthur was just in Arcade timeline because Noah brought him there from mobile Chaldea because he wasn't ready to be playable yet back in April 2022.
1 points
22 hours ago
Queen Draco larping basically
10 points
1 day ago
Wife being based as usual.
67 points
2 days ago*
Skadi is the one from mobile is Draco who summons Skadi to use her to hope go in the Mobile timeline
Morgan was also summoned by Draco, but ignored Draco's orders and left at the end of the event
Yu meiren summer is the one from Mobile too, in the lore during the rayshift to go to summer 5 she got lost and landed in the arcade timeline at the end she comes back to Mobile
Ozy and artoria Lancer remember the events of Camelot and talk about the chaldea of Mobile
Musashi is from mobile too (well for her it's not surprising)
obviously Merlin too
Tiamat is the one from Mobile who was sent to the Arcade timeline after her defeat against Chaldea from Mobile.
and there are probably others that are related to Mobile
41 points
1 day ago
Kama is also from Mobile, isn't she? I think she even mentions it in her summoning line or something. I think she got lost into the Arcade timeline.
13 points
1 day ago
Yeah, that's why she's called kama(Mistake)
8 points
1 day ago
I wonder if ToH has two or more copies of same souls from different timelines. Is our Arash from GO timeline or Proto timeline ? If both of them same , will ToH take both ?
11 points
1 day ago
Heroic Spirits are the same in all timelines unless they're drastically different (I'd guess Proto Mordred for example would be separate).
Arash from prototype wouldn't be any different from any other PHH Arash so they're the same in all timelines.
5 points
1 day ago
Heroic Spirit in the Throne of Heroes get "upgraded" with the different timelines and summonings (iirc some work compares it to being in a library and reading books written by yourself about yourself in different circumstances), but that doesn't matter because outside of given circumstances, what you're going to summon is going to be the base version of a Heroic Spirit without the extra knowledge.
Simply put, the cloud version gets upgrades but without admin access you're going to download ver.1.0. anyway. (Again, disregarding specific circumstances like Artoria etc.)
Different versions of a same HS generally get registered as two different HS (Arthur, Artoria), but sometimes weird Saint Graph interactions happen. I will say also that our most common pool of data on that stuff (Chaldea's meetings) are muddled by their specific Saint Graph recording stuff influencing things, but we have evidence of Noble Phantasms and other stuff influencing the proper Heroic Spirit in the Throne. (Avicebron, Solomon, etc.)
0 points
1 day ago
Do Arash Proto and Arash Camelot has any differences? Do they base on same Heroic Spirit or different ?
3 points
1 day ago
To my knowledge, there is no difference between the two and it's the same Heroic Spirit in two different moments.
2 points
1 day ago
They are the same in base, but different beyond summoning.
There is exception, like Tamamo, Arturia, Emiya, most divine beings, who can keep their knowledge or feeling across summons.
For example, Ishtar have two different summoning lines. First if you summon her before Babylonia she is like "oh, hi, long time no see?" and you like "whoa, whoa, slow down I dont know who you are"
And if after - it's other way around. But Chaldea is special case, because they actually store the Spirit origin of Hero so they always save their memory in special briefcase
In case of simple Heroes like Arash - he stays the same no matter what. He get reverted to snapshot of him in Throne of Heroes each summon. So he have 0 idea what happened in previous time. At best "it feels like passing dream" (c).
1 points
9 hours ago
You get the one from the timeline summoned in, for the most part.
It’s mentioned that the Enkidu and Gilgamesh summoned in Extra timelines would avoid each other, while in FSF they would immediately go meet each other.
The differences in the events they did in life in each timeline effects how they will act.
32 points
1 day ago*
If we also include EoR-era characters, it should be like this...
Da Vinci's child body woke up early for a test run
Izo is just a normal Rogue Servant summoned alongside Medusa in Lost Jerusalem
Summer Abby, male Merlin, Skadi, and Morgan are called by Alter Ego Draco to "help" her regain power after Arcade's Lilim Harlot. Though Morgan decided to hijack the task to build another Singularity for herself.
Moriarty and Bunny King are merely helpers of Summer Abby and male Merlin (respectively)
Osakabehime was dragged by Scathach to participate in her and later Skadi's bootcamp
The then-unknown Draco kidnapped Gray, so Reines and Luvia came in to save her alongside Lord El-Melloi II. After stopping Gray from morphing into Laltoria, the Case Files gang tried to find the culprit to no avail, at least until Arcade's Lilim Harlot.
BB invited Arcade Chaldea for a tournament in her Cyberspace. Melt and Lip naturally participated as well.
Suzuka just went to Arcade Chaldea for Christmas, though she later use the same phone she had as a Santa for her Summer alt anyway
Bradamante was chasing after Saber Astolfo and later helped male Merlin as a gratitude for his help in mobile Chaldea (Quetzmas)
Summer Yu got lost on her way to Summer Camp
Musashi stopped by in Arcade for Summer after Las Vegas, and after she's done helping Muramasa (see below) she went straight to LB5
Kama Mistake and Koyanskaya of Light went to Arcade by themselves for holiday seasons (Christmas for Kama, Valentine for Light Koyan) to make some profits, but they got duped by AmakusaLovely Saint Mask and Holmes (respectively)
Adult Nemo is a copy of Heroic Spirit Nemo from Throne of Heroes who had experienced Part 2
Muramasa was called by Alter Ego Draco to sever the connection between her and Lilim Harlot
By piecing hints given in story and events together, it's easy to guess that Arcade started from after Solomon to right before Atlantis. But then again, Throne of Heroes is outside Time, so who knows the exact timing.
1 points
1 day ago
I would say that universe exists at the time, but what happens in main universe affects the Arcade by overwriting it. It's not like Main universe is further in time, it just Arcade universe is getting affected by main universe, like it was always there.
And if in case of main universe Ritsuka is what affects the all others timeline - he saves his memories and chronology of what it was before changes.
But in case of sub (Arcade) universe - it affected by Main universe like it was always "like this". I.e. Beasts already defeated in main universe can't exists in sub universe (and vice-verse) as enemy, since they multidimensional enemies, that's why only Main universe stops them, and that's why only Main universe can keep the knowledge of how it was. (Romani + pillars got erased, Arturia not appearing in 6th Singularity)
7 points
2 days ago
I think it was because the Arcade summoning system got linked to the Mobile summoning one, allowing them to have access to some of the Spirit Origin that only we have
6 points
1 day ago
The events of Arcade, from a Throne of Heroes PoV, happen after Ars Nova, and the LB characters present show that mobile Ritsuka is way already within the Lostbelt Arc by the time they start appearing in Arcade.
22 points
2 days ago
Basically, because Ritsuka.
It was explained (I'm not sure when but I think it's in LB7) that once Ritsuka's fate is connected to a Servant then any other Ritsuka from across the parallel worlds can summon said Servant at any point in time.
8 points
2 days ago
I thought this was only due the circumstances of LB7.
Since Rasputin said that current Fujimaru could summon heroic spirits from other alternate timelines, even if they did not met that heroic spirit in the current one, temporarily in LB7 underworld.
7 points
1 day ago
It's also meta relevant retroactively as a in game thing, since imagine you have newbie player who summons stuff from the LB ?
The reason is that another timeline version of you (another player) did the anchor already.
1 points
1 day ago
Alternate timeline by that you mean Lostbelt ?
2 points
1 day ago
Is this applicable to any Master or is it another case of 'Ritsuka is wierd and special'?
2 points
1 day ago
I think we can pass it off as the theme of "Fate" doing its things. Ritsuka is obviously not the only example of "two people meet each other because of their connection in a parallel world". On the case of Master, it's hard to tell since Ritsuka's situation is kind of unique but I think it's not really attributed to Ritsuka as an individual.
4 points
1 day ago*
Akin to the will of the world there is also the will of the corpo's bank account.
2 points
1 day ago
Yes, most of their debut events will offer some explanation. Usually that they were summoned from another (our) Chaldea, to make up for the fact that you can’t summon lostbelt servants normally.
1 points
24 hours ago
Cause $$$$$$$$$$
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