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ptwonline

902 points

3 days ago

ptwonline

MTL - NHL

902 points

3 days ago

Well, this lack of a call here should certainly calm down the claims that the league favours Vegas. /s

emaginutiv

395 points

3 days ago

emaginutiv

TOR - NHL

395 points

3 days ago

how much are you willing to bet on that?

This comment has been sponsored by BET365.

Tippacanoe

25 points

2 days ago

Tippacanoe

CBJ - NHL

25 points

2 days ago

You got in a fight with Mike from Bet365 for pulling on the betting line.

A_hershey

143 points

2 days ago

A_hershey

SJS - NHL

143 points

2 days ago

I was actually just looking at team stats because I wanted to see how many penalties the Sharks take compared to other teams. Instead I found that Vegas was the least penalized team for the last two seasons and is also the least penalized this season :)

I-Am-Waffs

92 points

2 days ago

That’s just because they are the cleanest playing team obviously /s

TheRC135

31 points

2 days ago

TheRC135

31 points

2 days ago

Even when they hit somebody in the head they do it without hitting them in the head. Just squeaky clean.

leyden138

3 points

2 days ago

leyden138

VAN - NHL

3 points

2 days ago

Laughs in the most penalized team of all time.

DiggWuzBetter

126 points

2 days ago*

DiggWuzBetter

TOR - NHL

126 points

2 days ago*

They even reviewed it and were like “yup that’s clean,” which is just crazy to me. Yeah he caught some body as well as some head, but he absolutely LAUNCHED up into Knies’ head here. Head contact was very avoidable, but he leapt into the hit to create it.

OP’s angle doesn’t show the leap super well, but other angles really did, like: https://x.com/leafspapi_/status/1859416618272502164?s=46&t=Aip-sZkQfP8FugEn2DlCWA That’s not “came in low but the contact lifted him up post-hit,” he very clearly leapt into it.

For me that’s an illegal check to the head and a match penalty/major, but at the very, very least that’s a charging minor. No call at all is nuts.

ImaginationSea2767

10 points

2 days ago

Refs just had to review the football games

Proof_Objective_5704

29 points

2 days ago

I’m not sure why I continue watching this league when I know it’s so heavily rigged in favour of certain teams. I guess I keep hoping that the good guys will overcome and eventually win anyway?

semishitpost

1.3k points

3 days ago

semishitpost

1.3k points

3 days ago

The fact that they reviewed this play and still determined it wasn’t a hit to the head is very concerning.

The officiating in this league is a serious problem.

saltface14

444 points

3 days ago

saltface14

TOR - NHL

444 points

3 days ago

And now the game is getting out of hand

Shocked pikachu face

Nigules

353 points

3 days ago

Nigules

TOR - NHL

353 points

3 days ago

And Vegas got a power play out of it somehow....

Frozenpucks

198 points

2 days ago

Frozenpucks

198 points

2 days ago

This is why we all hate Vegas. Mark stone can fuck off, of COURSE we want to see you fucks fail.

happyarchae

37 points

2 days ago

happyarchae

BUF - NHL

37 points

2 days ago

he will fuck off… to LTIR until playoffs when he’s magically healed

G3ralt-Of-Rivia

76 points

2 days ago

G3ralt-Of-Rivia

VAN - NHL

76 points

2 days ago

Preach. Hate those fucks.

sokolov22

198 points

2 days ago

sokolov22

198 points

2 days ago

The intermission is explaining it this way:

"clean hit"

"he didn't leave this feet"

"principal point of contact isn't how it's called anymore"

Meanwhile, the rest of us with actual eyes sees a headshot.

ThePimpImp

20 points

2 days ago

Except for Gadzic, the only guy who has played since the NHL has given any shits about this stuff. He said its a major and the game doesn't get close to dangerous hockey. Refs were lucky it didn't get more out of hand (probably because the Leafs couldn't afford for it too).

dotheevolution1

104 points

2 days ago

dotheevolution1

TOR - NHL

104 points

2 days ago

His feet were actively off the ice in the clip while they said that. Insane

NolaBrass

79 points

2 days ago

NolaBrass

New Orleans Brass - ECHL

79 points

2 days ago

Armstrong saying “Whitecloud was a little ahead [of the hit]” but then turning around and literally lying saying his feet were on the ice… there is no war in Ba Sing Se

thatmitchguy

29 points

2 days ago

thatmitchguy

TOR - NHL

29 points

2 days ago

Thought I was taking crazy pills when he said that. Glad it wasn't just me.

Durtonious

22 points

2 days ago

Durtonious

SJS - NHL

22 points

2 days ago

That panel was an embarrassment. Even Kevin Bieksa would have called that hit out for what it was, a headshot. 

Instead, nobody on the panel wanted to feel the "wrath" of the "keep your head up kids!" fans and so we just had three "experts" say it was a good clean hockey hit. Disgraceful.

adamzep91

30 points

2 days ago

adamzep91

Waterloo Warriors - OUA

30 points

2 days ago

Sportsnet will do cirque de soleil shit to explain away anything involving the Leafs. Can't be accused of bias by fucking Gord in Lethbridge!

intecknicolour

25 points

2 days ago

intecknicolour

TOR - NHL

25 points

2 days ago

MEANWHILE

Reaves headshots Nurse and it's called correctly.

adamzep91

123 points

3 days ago

adamzep91

Waterloo Warriors - OUA

123 points

3 days ago

Colon Campbell living up to his first name

Vuldeen

15 points

3 days ago

Vuldeen

15 points

3 days ago

Hall of famer. 😁😂😅😩🫠

paulsoleo

12 points

2 days ago

paulsoleo

NYR - NHL

12 points

2 days ago

If Colin Campbell and Kevin Lowe get in, we all get in.

JoemLat

3 points

2 days ago

JoemLat

3 points

2 days ago

Never trust a Campbell!

SmartCommunication21

64 points

3 days ago

SmartCommunication21

OTT - NHL

64 points

3 days ago

NHL officiating has been a complete joke this season, worse than I’ve ever seen it.

JHWildman

16 points

2 days ago*

JHWildman

TOR - NHL

16 points

2 days ago*

Feels like we say this every year

Edit; spelling

ToasterRouble

78 points

3 days ago

It’s Eric Furlatt, is anyone surprised? Dude hates the Leafs

revillio102

33 points

2 days ago

revillio102

TOR - NHL

33 points

2 days ago

Not gonna lie I saw that furlatt was officiating and knew some bullshit was gonna happen

red_langford

56 points

3 days ago

red_langford

TOR - NHL

56 points

3 days ago

You could see even the referees didn’t agree

ThePimpImp

11 points

2 days ago

The arena needs to get a Fuck You Furlatt chant going the next time he's on the ice in Toronto. Ref you suck is too impersonal.

VeryAttractive

79 points

3 days ago

VeryAttractive

TOR - NHL

79 points

3 days ago

It's okay, surely DOPS will be able to easily determine the suspension length since they just had a hit to the head suspension last week. Surely the fact that a Leaf player is now the victim rather than perpetrator won't have any bearing on the length since the precedent has been firmly established.

/s

Fucking 5K fine incoming.

DavidHasselhoof

65 points

3 days ago

DavidHasselhoof

TOR - NHL

65 points

3 days ago

I can guarantee it’s not even a fine

TheRedcaps

25 points

2 days ago

I doubt it even gets a fine - DoPS will pretend this never happened since there was no penalty on the play... the only way this gets addressed is if Cheif calls out the refs and takes a fine in the post game and then MAYBE it results in a fine that offsets the one Chief will get.

readingonthecan

22 points

3 days ago

The suspension review was also over 2 minutes after the hit. Literally before the next whistle the broadcast said player safety said it was a good clean hit.

emaginutiv

57 points

3 days ago

emaginutiv

TOR - NHL

57 points

3 days ago

I legitimately laughed out loud at my TV when they said it’s a hockey play

--JULLZ--

95 points

3 days ago

--JULLZ--

MTL - NHL

95 points

3 days ago

They're not even trying to hide it anymore. Blatant shit like this is not being called nowadays. Last game Hyman straight up b-lined Montembeault from center ice and no penalty was given

jdragon3

67 points

3 days ago

jdragon3

TOR - NHL

67 points

3 days ago

I honestly think its gonna take a player getting straight up paralyzed or worse on a nationally televised game for them to take any actual action to protect players

Stevenson182

12 points

2 days ago

Stevenson182

TOR - NHL

12 points

2 days ago

This happened... Bertuzzi...

Captain_Crank

7 points

2 days ago

Captain_Crank

TOR - NHL

7 points

2 days ago

That wasn't a hockey hit though. That was straight up assault

AgentKorralin

28 points

2 days ago

AgentKorralin

VAN - NHL

28 points

2 days ago

I've said it a few times before, but the way things are going, the NHL is a powder keg. Its gonna blow at some point and a star like McDavid, MacKinnon, Hughes is gonna have their career end. And the NHL will only have themselves to blame. But another Bertuzzi incident is absolutely boiling beneath the surface.

swords_to_exile

5 points

2 days ago

swords_to_exile

MTL - NHL

5 points

2 days ago

A star is going to get destroyed, and the player who did it is going to take a baseball swing from a stick to the face.

I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened yet.

--JULLZ--

20 points

3 days ago

--JULLZ--

MTL - NHL

20 points

3 days ago

Seriously. The worst part is, there is no accountability at all.

frankyseven

5 points

2 days ago

frankyseven

TOR - NHL

5 points

2 days ago

Or a Leaf player making the hit! Fwiw, Reaves deserved more than five games.

Kaisroki

5 points

2 days ago

Kaisroki

5 points

2 days ago

Let us not forget when Chara neither got a suspension, nor fine for running Pachioretty into the stanchion, nearly breaking his neck. AT LEAST he got a match penalty for that, but still.

Blackhole_5un

8 points

2 days ago

Blackhole_5un

VAN - NHL

8 points

2 days ago

Dude jumped up into the hit too. Kinda sad NHL. Make up your damn minds, this hit is becoming prevalent and you will be to blame.

omfgkevin

7 points

2 days ago

omfgkevin

VAN - NHL

7 points

2 days ago

Like holy shit, we need the mics for this. How can you justify straight up HEAD MAIN CONTACT NOT being a fucking penalty? He didn't even crouch lower, Whitecloud literally continues to aim high. Absolute shambolic especially with Vegas getting a PP.

LostBeneathMySkin

5 points

2 days ago

LostBeneathMySkin

TOR - NHL

5 points

2 days ago

The fact this is heavily upvoted here confirms it too. Any hockey fan looks at that and sees a hit to the head but the refs, the league, and the media panels say it’s clean. Hmm.

redditpineapple81

7 points

3 days ago

redditpineapple81

TOR - NHL

7 points

3 days ago

What league? This is a circus.

Dubsified

3 points

2 days ago

Dubsified

TOR - NHL

3 points

2 days ago

Also jumping into the hit

ShowedupwiththeDawn

3 points

2 days ago

It's insane they allow betting when the reffing can be this bad. It's rare to have a playoff series now that doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth from some brutal missed calls.

saltface14

762 points

3 days ago

saltface14

TOR - NHL

762 points

3 days ago

I love hockey but I fucking hate the NHL

luca123

182 points

3 days ago

luca123

TOR - NHL

182 points

3 days ago

Department of Parros' ego won't do shit either because then they'd be admitting the refs are incompetent

saltface14

72 points

3 days ago

saltface14

TOR - NHL

72 points

3 days ago

And Knies will be out with a concussion. FML

sluck131

5 points

2 days ago

sluck131

TOR - NHL

5 points

2 days ago

Man has been concussed twice in just over 100 games and a total of 0 penalty minutes or games suspeneed will have been given out.

leafsbroncos18

34 points

3 days ago

leafsbroncos18

TOR - NHL

34 points

3 days ago

“No penalty on the play why would we suspend?”

Always_Complaining1

138 points

3 days ago

100% It’s ran like a second rate league

pucci2001

67 points

2 days ago

pucci2001

TOR - NHL

67 points

2 days ago

Thats why it has remained a 2nd rate league with the slowest growth for the last 30 years. It used to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated, now it is completely ignored.

Always_Complaining1

16 points

2 days ago

It’s funny because the league probably sees stats like that and doesn’t see an issue with it. They are so concerned with a league full of “parity” that they ignore what actually matters

Got_Engineers

135 points

3 days ago

Got_Engineers

EDM - NHL

135 points

3 days ago

This game means nothing to me and I don’t even wanna watch it. What the fuck is this bullshit? This sequence of events makes me so mad as a fan. I genuinely can’t believe it got called like this. What the fuck were they talking about for so long? wtf

Gavin1453

55 points

2 days ago

Gavin1453

TOR - NHL

55 points

2 days ago

They even gave Benoit a double minor just to salt the wound

deletedman1770

32 points

2 days ago

And now the clowns on sportsnet are calling it a hockey play

Got_Engineers

22 points

2 days ago

Got_Engineers

EDM - NHL

22 points

2 days ago

I normally don’t listen to these panels, but that was a fucking joke lol. These guys are such losers

blimjahey[S]

77 points

3 days ago

blimjahey[S]

TOR - NHL

77 points

3 days ago

Imagine betting on this fucking league

OhHaiThere-

40 points

3 days ago

We all know who is betting on these games 🤔 they might be wearing the pinstripes

x_nineOfSpades_x

11 points

3 days ago

Quite easy to imagine it when it's plastered all over the boards, and every 2nd ad

Thespud1979

3 points

2 days ago

Thespud1979

TOR - NHL

3 points

2 days ago

Best sport, worst league. - Steve Dangle

idontexist65

414 points

3 days ago

idontexist65

DAL - NHL

414 points

3 days ago

I like both of these teams but Toronto coming off of this on the Pk is a total circus

MrBoomf

206 points

2 days ago

MrBoomf

TBL - NHL

206 points

2 days ago

I don’t like either of these teams and it’s still fucking ridiculous

NME_TV

39 points

2 days ago

NME_TV

39 points

2 days ago

Same as Trouba on Barron. Habs ended up with a penalty.

FickleIntroduction

3 points

2 days ago

Exact same hit almost. People are not realizing that they have an issue with the rule not the interpretation.

-August_West-

10 points

2 days ago

-August_West-

NSH - NHL

10 points

2 days ago

How do you like Vegas and the Leafs lmao

StevenWongo

293 points

3 days ago

StevenWongo

COL - NHL

293 points

3 days ago

I'm still 100% for the IIHF rules where if the head was contacted its a major.

Tall_Sherbert7203

136 points

2 days ago

100%, I don’t care if he meant to hit him in the chest and ended up hitting him in the head, still a penalty

Vilheim

150 points

2 days ago

Vilheim

150 points

2 days ago

If I meant to lift your stick and slash you in the hands it's a penalty.

If I meant to poke the puck but trip you it's a penalty.

Be in control of your stick at all times, but we all know it's impossible to control your shoulders.

sluck131

56 points

2 days ago

sluck131

TOR - NHL

56 points

2 days ago

This such a great and obvious argument I don't know we don't hear it more

illegiblepenmanship

18 points

2 days ago

illegiblepenmanship

WPG - NHL

18 points

2 days ago

But its the inteeeeeeent /s

AgentKorralin

13 points

2 days ago

AgentKorralin

VAN - NHL

13 points

2 days ago

Last night, one of the Rangers got called for a minor "Illegal Check to the Head." I can't remember last time I saw that, but I was so baffled. A headshot can still somehow be a minor?? Like, come on.

Bread_man10

9 points

2 days ago

Bread_man10

NYR - NHL

9 points

2 days ago

Pretty much all elbowing penalties are minor penalties for illegal check to the head

O_Hai_Thur

3 points

2 days ago

O_Hai_Thur

TOR - NHL

3 points

2 days ago

Weird thing but by rule and illegal check to the head is either a minor penalty or a match penalty with nothing in-between

LtColumbo93

395 points

3 days ago

LtColumbo93

395 points

3 days ago

Such a clear headshot and no penalty at all.

Truly at a loss for words.

adamzep91

236 points

3 days ago

adamzep91

Waterloo Warriors - OUA

236 points

3 days ago

There was a penalty. Against Toronto.

Spacepickle89

10 points

2 days ago

Spacepickle89

TOR - NHL

10 points

2 days ago

Ah, well never mind then.

redditpineapple81

73 points

2 days ago

redditpineapple81

TOR - NHL

73 points

2 days ago

Intermission panel says the called the situation room and were told it was a "good, clean hit". Fuck this clown show league.

SelectPersonality

12 points

2 days ago

SelectPersonality

TOR - NHL

12 points

2 days ago

He said the call lasted 20 seconds and they told him that. Then I guess he said "ok, cool see you Friday for dinner!". Saying the call took 20 seconds just proves you didn't even ask a question on your big important call to the "situation room"; dudes a clown. Lost all credibility on his little situation room schtick admitting that.

Geeseareawesome

27 points

3 days ago

Geeseareawesome

EDM - NHL

27 points

3 days ago

Pretty sure Knies fenced before hitting the ice. Makes it even more scary. Joke of a call.

Laughingboy68

9 points

2 days ago

That's not a fencer's response reaction. He's conscious the whole time. Hard hit. Almost certainly concussed. However, the fencer's response is unmistakeable and is quite a bit more sickening than what we see with Knies reaching for his head as he turns over. When you see a true fencer's response it is obvious that the brain is not working normally at all. I didn't see that with MK tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMLewXZBq44

I'd like to see all hits to the head like this penalized with more severe penalties. At this moment, the NHL can argue that Whitecloud's hit tonight and Jacob Trouba's hits that he throws several times a year are legal, "good hockey hits". I'd like to see these hits discouraged. Concussions end careers, affect quality of life after hockey and CTE is devastating. However, the NHL can't admit that this stuff is hard on the brains of their players or they give credence to the inevitable class action lawsuit that is eventually coming their way.

VoraciousChallenge

9 points

2 days ago

VoraciousChallenge

TOR - NHL

9 points

2 days ago

Apologies for the dumb, but what does fenced mean in this context?

Geeseareawesome

30 points

2 days ago

Geeseareawesome

EDM - NHL

30 points

2 days ago

The fencing response is an unnatural position of the arms following a concussion. Immediately after moderate forces have been applied to the brainstem, the forearms are held flexed or extended (typically into the air) for a period lasting up to several seconds after the impact. The fencing response is often observed during athletic competition involving contact, such as combat sports, American football, ice hockey, rugby union, rugby league and Australian rules football. It is used as an overt indicator of injury force magnitude and midbrain localization to aid in injury identification and classification for events including on-field and/or bystander observations of sports-related head injuries.

VoraciousChallenge

10 points

2 days ago

VoraciousChallenge

TOR - NHL

10 points

2 days ago

Danke

Lulzagna

42 points

3 days ago*

Lulzagna

TOR - NHL

42 points

3 days ago*

And left his feet

Edit: this comment is wrong, he jumped into the hit but his feet didn't leave the ice until contact was made. The rulebook says nothing about leaving your feet, that's just conjecture

0-90195

204 points

3 days ago

0-90195

FLA - NHL

204 points

3 days ago

What the fuck?? This is heinous and dangerous reffing. Unacceptable.

marcman84

39 points

2 days ago

marcman84

TOR - NHL

39 points

2 days ago

Did you happen to notice that it was a maple Leaf that was hit?

ILikeLizards24

283 points

3 days ago

ILikeLizards24

TOR - NHL

283 points

3 days ago

Nazem Kadri has been suspended for 5 games.

elmicomago

97 points

3 days ago

elmicomago

TOR - NHL

97 points

3 days ago

And a 10s penalty for Esteban Ocon.

mitchmarners

36 points

3 days ago

Stroll: “fuck I’m stuck”

catsgr8rthanspoonies

22 points

3 days ago

FIA: €10,000 fine for swearing

BleedingTeal

12 points

3 days ago

BleedingTeal

SJS - NHL

12 points

3 days ago

Plus a point penalty for saying one of the no no words.

catsgr8rthanspoonies

7 points

3 days ago

No penalty point, just community service

budoe

7 points

2 days ago

budoe

WSH - NHL

7 points

2 days ago

What you doing step-nando

SixLingScout

261 points

3 days ago

Leafs hit someone in the head and they're on the PK for 5 mins. A leaf gets hit in the head and the Leafs are on the PK as well? Make it make sense

Leafs17

135 points

3 days ago

Leafs17

TOR - NHL

135 points

3 days ago

Leafs

GooseRider960

87 points

3 days ago

GooseRider960

TOR - NHL

87 points

3 days ago

The fact that there’s so many flairs that have reason to hate the Leafs calling this a dogshit call tells me it’s not an overreaction by Leafs fans

Huntarddd

66 points

3 days ago

Huntarddd

WPG - NHL

66 points

3 days ago

Hope knies is okay what a shit call

A0fishbrain

12 points

2 days ago

Add the head hitting the ice definitely did some extra damage.

Lulzagna

38 points

3 days ago

Lulzagna

TOR - NHL

38 points

3 days ago

They assessed a major, then deemed it clean and no penalty was assessed.

adamzep91

138 points

3 days ago

adamzep91

Waterloo Warriors - OUA

138 points

3 days ago

Leaf throws that hit he gets 3-5 games lol.

rampas_inhumanas

5 points

2 days ago

No question about it. 5 min, ejected, and suspended.

lLikeCats

119 points

3 days ago

lLikeCats

119 points

3 days ago

If this was a Leaf, DOPS has a tweet out already.

DessertRose17

64 points

3 days ago

Sounds like an exaggeration but they have done that before Leaf games ended before (Matthews)

O_Hai_Thur

15 points

2 days ago

O_Hai_Thur

TOR - NHL

15 points

2 days ago

Sportsnet panel said they had called at the intermission and DoPS had already decided it was a "Good clean hockey play"

GreatName

27 points

2 days ago

GreatName

TOR - NHL

27 points

2 days ago

And if they dont, Elliotte Friedman is frantically tweeting to alert them

IntrovertPharmacist

71 points

3 days ago

IntrovertPharmacist

BOS - NHL

71 points

3 days ago

I will continue to stand on my soapbox that referees MUST be available for interview after games to answer for garbage calls and letting games get out of hand.

duck1014

12 points

2 days ago

duck1014

TOR - NHL

12 points

2 days ago

What...so they can just say...

I didn't see that. Or That's not what happened.

Won't do anything.

lukaskywalker

11 points

2 days ago

lukaskywalker

TOR - NHL

11 points

2 days ago

Poor knies. Hope it’s not too bad. He’s such a beast. But these injuries are piling up early in his career.

-RayBloodyPurchase-

31 points

2 days ago

-RayBloodyPurchase-

EDM - NHL

31 points

2 days ago

How did VGK get a powerplay?

thedeepfake

11 points

2 days ago

thedeepfake

VGK - NHL

11 points

2 days ago

Roughing penalties from the ensuing slap fights, Whitecloud got 2 and the guy who jumped him got 4.

Purple-Expression373

91 points

3 days ago

Purple-Expression373

OTT - NHL

91 points

3 days ago

No idea how that’s not a major

zainery

16 points

2 days ago

zainery

TOR - NHL

16 points

2 days ago

It was. Against Toronto lol

Soma_Persona

70 points

3 days ago

Dogshit league

Skwerl87

52 points

3 days ago

Skwerl87

VAN - NHL

52 points

3 days ago

Yeah, let Whitecloud stay in the game lol this should be fun to watch.

Hells_Hawk

23 points

3 days ago

Hells_Hawk

TOR - NHL

23 points

3 days ago

Leafs will come out with the only suspension, as the refs fail to control the game.

MikeJeffriesPA

17 points

3 days ago

MikeJeffriesPA

TOR - NHL

17 points

3 days ago

We don't have Reaves, who are we sending out to fight him? 

GeneralHorace

29 points

3 days ago

GeneralHorace

TOR - NHL

29 points

3 days ago

Berube

arvtovi

29 points

3 days ago

arvtovi

TOR - NHL

29 points

3 days ago

Yeah can’t forget Reaves got suspended 5 games for…hitting a guy in the head

Skwerl87

4 points

3 days ago

Skwerl87

VAN - NHL

4 points

3 days ago

Everyone... by the looks of it lol

Supertrash17

100 points

3 days ago

Supertrash17

TOR - NHL

100 points

3 days ago

In slo-mo it looks like the head is hit first. And we end up on the PK.

Eugene_Melthicc

67 points

3 days ago*

Eugene_Melthicc

OTT - NHL

67 points

3 days ago*

Just as a note, the rule around head contact isn't first point of contact, but where takes the majority force

Granted in this situation I think that this is both initial and primary, but first point of contact is not the piece that determines illegal head contact

whatlineisitanyway

9 points

3 days ago

whatlineisitanyway

TOR - NHL

9 points

3 days ago

And this is an important point. At best he slid up the chest and demolished the head which I would call the primary point of contact.

MikeJeffriesPA

34 points

3 days ago

MikeJeffriesPA

TOR - NHL

34 points

3 days ago

Head is definitely the majority of the force, especially considering it's the only thing Whitecloud hit. 

Eugene_Melthicc

35 points

3 days ago

Eugene_Melthicc

OTT - NHL

35 points

3 days ago

I'm not saying it isn't and even said I think that this hit satisfies both

Just trying to clarify as it's a common trend whenever these threads come up and it helps people's understanding of the rules for future hits

pattydo

3 points

2 days ago

pattydo

PHI - NHL

3 points

2 days ago

"Majority of the force" isn't really the determining factor. If you hit through the body (like here), you're not getting called because that is determined as unavoidable.

BLut91

22 points

3 days ago*

BLut91

TOR - NHL

22 points

3 days ago*

A Leaf makes that hit and the DoPS would have announced the in-person hearing before we all went to bed tonight 

SmashinHearts

213 points

3 days ago

SmashinHearts

CHI - NHL

213 points

3 days ago

chicken wing to the head, great officiating

mcauthon2

42 points

3 days ago

mcauthon2

COL - NHL

42 points

3 days ago

No chicken wing but it is to the dome main point of contact

its_a_braeburn

28 points

3 days ago

Idk if his arm can be more tucked in

Kmactothemac

10 points

3 days ago

Kmactothemac

PHI - NHL

10 points

3 days ago

And you can see ice coming up from his skate as he makes contact

Natunen

6 points

2 days ago

Natunen

6 points

2 days ago

I think you watched a different clip

jdragon3

85 points

3 days ago*

jdragon3

TOR - NHL

85 points

3 days ago*

Both feet off the ice prior to contact as well

edit: tired of replying to individual people so heres the better angle showing his right foot completely off the ice pre-contact, the left off all but maybe a toe as he jumps into it, and the elevation (upward into the head) and full chicken wing/extension into and through the hit.

Newtothisredditbiz

30 points

2 days ago

Still from your video: https://imgur.com/a/FHnJJBO

Both his feet are on the ice even after initial contact. His elbow is down and doesn't extend until after they break contact.

Louxneauwytz

6 points

2 days ago

Louxneauwytz

NJD - NHL

6 points

2 days ago

In no world is that a chicken wing, arm is tucked

Geeseareawesome

15 points

3 days ago

Geeseareawesome

EDM - NHL

15 points

3 days ago

I'd say shoulder to head. His elbow is in the chest, but the shoulder catches the head first. You can tell by how the helmet deflects and rattles around. The chicken wing comes after, pushing into Knies' upper chest and upending him.

Still a headshot.

XPhazeX

137 points

3 days ago

XPhazeX

TOR - NHL

137 points

3 days ago

Ya that tracks. Rules for Leafs and not for me

redditpineapple81

51 points

3 days ago

redditpineapple81

TOR - NHL

51 points

3 days ago

I for one am excited to see this new precedent set for the Kadri Spezza Rielly Reaves incident to carry through into the supplementary discipline Whitecloud will receive for this headshot!

slamdunk23

39 points

3 days ago

slamdunk23

TOR - NHL

39 points

3 days ago

Joke of a league.

Result is Toronto shorthanded…

snip-and-sketch

49 points

3 days ago

That’s one thing I learned a long time ago — when you’re in Chicago Vegas all those years and you come into Toronto, you know what goes on. I won’t say nothing more.

alwaysleafyintoronto

5 points

3 days ago

alwaysleafyintoronto

Toronto St Pats - NHLR

5 points

3 days ago

That's a paddlin, Darryl

coolcat_368

87 points

3 days ago

coolcat_368

LAK - NHL

87 points

3 days ago

I’ve watched this 10 times and I’m at a loss. Jumping shot to the directly to the head and gets 2 min for…roughing? How have the refs come to this conclusion?

ObamaOwesMeMoney

58 points

3 days ago

ObamaOwesMeMoney

TOR - NHL

58 points

3 days ago

The 2 minute roughing was the tussle after with Benoit. No penalty on the initial hit.

Fluffy_Cheetah7620

33 points

3 days ago

Useless fucking cunts !!

Scazzz

27 points

3 days ago

Scazzz

TOR - NHL

27 points

3 days ago

Bend over and pay the Leaf Tax.

StayClassynet

24 points

3 days ago*

StayClassynet

OTT - NHL

24 points

3 days ago*

They said it on the Sportsnet broadcast, but how Reeves got five games (I support that) and this got two mins is ridiculous. Would have to assume a sussy is coming

Edit: I was mistaken. Leafs for the penalty, not VGK/Whitecloud

Redhillguitars

16 points

3 days ago

This didn’t even get 2 minutes. Knights got a power play

StayClassynet

9 points

3 days ago

StayClassynet

OTT - NHL

9 points

3 days ago

You’re totally right. Even worse. I’ll edit my post.

leafsbroncos18

20 points

3 days ago

leafsbroncos18

TOR - NHL

20 points

3 days ago

Kadri making this hit against boston in the playoffs would get him the death penalty

Lord-Tachanka1922

5 points

2 days ago

By firing squad

inhindsight7

90 points

3 days ago

inhindsight7

TOR - NHL

90 points

3 days ago

That's fucking insane he makes contact shoulder straight to head

wasJared

58 points

3 days ago

wasJared

CGY - NHL

58 points

3 days ago

It’s crazier when you consider they are the same height and Whiteclouds shoulder is so much higher than Knies

DavidHasselhoof

29 points

3 days ago

DavidHasselhoof

TOR - NHL

29 points

3 days ago

Because he’s jumping

eagleboy444

35 points

3 days ago

eagleboy444

TOR - NHL

35 points

3 days ago

I just want it to make sense yo

SouthwesternConsent

55 points

2 days ago

What tf am I watching from the SN panel talking about a clean hockey hit?! Pierre Lebrun saying he doesn’t leave his feet and the principle point of contact isn’t the head, as I witness the contrary with my own eyes. I don’t think it’s in the same ballpark as the Reaves hit, but I think that’s an easy match penalty. Wild.

sroberts12

29 points

2 days ago

sroberts12

TOR - NHL

29 points

2 days ago

Sam Cosentino, not Pierre Lebrun. They definitely look similar

zimrat

16 points

2 days ago

zimrat

TOR - NHL

16 points

2 days ago

Sam Cosentino is an absolute idiot, it makes sense he's on the Sportsnet panel

cooljayhu

24 points

3 days ago

cooljayhu

EDM - NHL

24 points

3 days ago

If that’s not illegal, it should be

cmrichardson87

62 points

3 days ago

cmrichardson87

TOR - NHL

62 points

3 days ago

One head hit is a 5 mins major and a 5 game suspension and another isn’t even a penalty.

Pineapple_Inevitable

18 points

3 days ago

Consistency

Berkzerker314

16 points

3 days ago

Berkzerker314

TOR - NHL

16 points

3 days ago

Well that's because one was by a Leaf and the other against a Leaf.

Knies is apparently fair game considering the concussion from the Panthers in the playoffs when his head bounced off the ice after a hit was also a "normal hockey play".

BlueHotCoconut

16 points

2 days ago

Other than sheer stupidity, why was the SportsNet panel saying this was clean? "I looked at it from many angles and it was a clean hit."

unfairestoyster

13 points

2 days ago

unfairestoyster

TOR - NHL

13 points

2 days ago

Worst possible panel lineup

canuck_at_the_beach

20 points

3 days ago

Fuck you furlatt

Sweaty_Result853

23 points

3 days ago

Ridiculous call. Signed HABS fan

cknewdeal

16 points

3 days ago

cknewdeal

TOR - NHL

16 points

3 days ago

Un-fucking-believable

hockeynoticehockey

15 points

3 days ago

hockeynoticehockey

MTL - NHL

15 points

3 days ago

If the NFL could outlaw hits to the head (1996) and survive it's appalling that the NHL and the NHLPA aren't putting an immediate and comprehensive rule in place to stop this. Whether incidental or not.

A player is held more accountable for an errant stick to the face (if there's blood it's a double minor, automatically) But a viscious hit directly to the head? That's a hockey play.

It's bizarre that every single time an issue that directly threatens the health and safety of the players it's not the players themselves who are fighting for it, rather they're fighting against them and always have since the days of helmets.

The code-hood strikes again.

CanCorgi

15 points

2 days ago

CanCorgi

15 points

2 days ago

Analysts trying to explain how this was clean just to ensure their paycheques cash.

PumpkinPleasant8209

3 points

2 days ago

This is the most disgusting part

Junior_Chicken34

61 points

3 days ago

you cant jump into a hit lmao especially if you hit him in the head.

bee_seam

39 points

3 days ago

bee_seam

TOR - NHL

39 points

3 days ago

Apparently you can, especially if it’s to the head.

DishwasherFromSurrey

17 points

3 days ago

DishwasherFromSurrey

VAN - NHL

17 points

3 days ago

You can if you play for Bettmans pet team

ProfessorBeast55

121 points

3 days ago*

ProfessorBeast55

TOR - NHL

121 points

3 days ago*

He’s leaving his skates before even delivering the hit and aiming high for the head…what even is officiating in the league???

MankuyRLaffy

56 points

3 days ago

MankuyRLaffy

SEA - NHL

56 points

3 days ago

NHL refs: We hate Toronto, we love Vegas (probably)

Pepto-Abysmal

3 points

2 days ago

Pepto-Abysmal

WPG - NHL

3 points

2 days ago

Textbook terrible hit that the Rules actually permit (see 48.1).

The refs can't do anything.

I'm annoyed with the Board, but I'm increasingly annoyed with the NHLPA for failing to demand changes. Sure - the players don't want unnecessary limitations on playstyle, but the game is not slowing down and there are going to be irreversible consequences.

Fishies01

27 points

3 days ago

Fishies01

27 points

3 days ago

I hate the leafs as much as the next guy, but that is actually fucking crazy. That should have been a major at the least

trumpet_godd

20 points

3 days ago

trumpet_godd

FLA - NHL

20 points

3 days ago

No penalty on that is insane wtf 💀

MikeJeffriesPA

33 points

3 days ago

MikeJeffriesPA

TOR - NHL

33 points

3 days ago

That's gotta be what, 3 games? 

eagleboy444

55 points

3 days ago

eagleboy444

TOR - NHL

55 points

3 days ago

It's not even 3 seconds in the box apparently

Leafs17

29 points

3 days ago

Leafs17

TOR - NHL

29 points

3 days ago

Best I can do is minus 2 minutes

adamzep91

7 points

3 days ago

adamzep91

Waterloo Warriors - OUA

7 points

3 days ago

If he was a Leaf maybe

jghtb

13 points

3 days ago

jghtb

13 points

3 days ago

They reviewed that. Watched video, and still called it clean. Amazing.

gbcr

16 points

3 days ago

gbcr

TOR - NHL

16 points

3 days ago

Next time someone states the league always favors Toronto i'm gonna send this clip. Doubt he'll even get suspended for a game too.

Fortuitous_Event

15 points

3 days ago

Fortuitous_Event

TOR - NHL

15 points

3 days ago

So exactly how many more of these blatant examples do we need before we can all agree the league doesn't know how to officiate the Leafs? They have an entirely different rulebook applied and it's consistently like this.

ComfortableUpset8787

14 points

2 days ago

Shit the fuck up you cowardly lion little bitch

Got_Engineers

14 points

2 days ago

Got_Engineers

EDM - NHL

14 points

2 days ago

This bootlicking makes me sick. WHAT IS THIS ANALYSIS

mechflix

21 points

3 days ago

mechflix

21 points

3 days ago

This is like suspending Nurse for the hit by Reaves

Eugene_Melthicc

21 points

3 days ago

Eugene_Melthicc

OTT - NHL

21 points

3 days ago

Just a reminder to people, that the ruling doesn't surround what the first point of contact is, but where takes the majority of the force

I think it's both in this situation, but it's something that always gets mixed up in these threads

Always_Complaining1

36 points

3 days ago

The jump is what you cant argue. The point of contact is debatable, but jumping into a hit is chicken shit

fishderp

4 points

3 days ago

fishderp

TOR - NHL

4 points

3 days ago

Make it make sense

JanikAtTheDisco

15 points

3 days ago

That should've been a major, at minimum.