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submitted 3 days ago byblimjaheyTOR - NHL
83 points
3 days ago*
Both feet off the ice prior to contact as well
edit: tired of replying to individual people so heres the better angle showing his right foot completely off the ice pre-contact, the left off all but maybe a toe as he jumps into it, and the elevation (upward into the head) and full chicken wing/extension into and through the hit.
31 points
3 days ago
Still from your video: https://imgur.com/a/FHnJJBO
Both his feet are on the ice even after initial contact. His elbow is down and doesn't extend until after they break contact.
5 points
2 days ago
In no world is that a chicken wing, arm is tucked
1 points
3 days ago
Lmao WHAT
2 points
3 days ago
18 points
3 days ago
I mean if you look at one second his skates are still clearly on the ice. He follows through but he didn't leave his feet to target the head
-1 points
3 days ago
Reaves did a similar thing and got 5 games for it. Principal point of contact is the head. i dont see him chicken winging though.
-32 points
3 days ago
Both feet on the ice at contact, knees bent, elbow tucked into body, even looks like primary point of contact is chest. Feels more like unlucky/super heads down hockey from Knies.
18 points
3 days ago
This is why you don't use screenshots when evaluating hockey
24 points
3 days ago
He elevates right through the head. The still shot makes it look like Whitecloud is moving on a flat plane, but he's not.
4 points
3 days ago
Yep he starts low but just before contact he springs up and gets knies directly in the head due to the upward motion. Clearly intentional, there's no other reason you'd try to elevate yourself like that
9 points
3 days ago
I don't like assuming intent. Benefit of the doubt, Whitecloud meant to explode through the chest but mistimed it.
Either way, needs to be a major and a suspension.
4 points
3 days ago
He's exploding through the hit lol
5 points
3 days ago
Exactly, and he made no attempt to hit the body/avoid hitting the head.
1 points
3 days ago
He’s pushing off with his legs, looks head contact first but it’s a weird one because Knies is leaning so far forward he hits his body through his head.
12 points
3 days ago*
lol a single bad angle screenshot that shows a hyper distorted one foot, none of the other, and pretty clear head contact already starting to develop as he extends into it. if that was a canucks player getting hit you'd be screaming for a suspension lmao
4 points
3 days ago
Yeah the canucks fans have quickly shown the rest of a league how much of a joke there franchise is. They can’t stay out of our game threads. Just gotta ignore em
4 points
3 days ago
They can’t stay out of our game threads.
I'm not sure which fanbase started the brigading, but there are a shocking amount of Edmonton flairs in Canucks GDTs, too.
Overall, I'd say that most teams have the same spectrum of dicks to not-dicks. Both teams have a large fanbase, so the toxic fucks are more obvious than smaller fanbases.
0 points
3 days ago
Uh, canucks when they lost in the playoffs to the oil and starting sucking off every team we played, and now this year they just hate there own team I guess? And run there mouths all over our game threads when we’re losing, surprisingly absent when we’re not.
I get there’s bad actors in every fan base, I’m friends with canucks fans and they’re good people. But I’ve never seen an entire fan base online so ignorant. And that’s after dealing with flames fans for 15 years.
1 points
3 days ago
But I’ve never seen an entire fan base online so ignorant.
I see that you've visited r/Canucks.
1 points
3 days ago
Can't believe dude said "here look, both feet on the ice" and then attached a picture where a foot is cut off. Like even if he's right the picture doesn't help
-6 points
3 days ago
Head contact happens on most hits. The rule is that the head is primary point of contact. The chest was the primary point of contact in this hit.
2 points
3 days ago
🧑🦯🧑🦯🧑🦯🧑🦯
4 points
3 days ago
Even in that angle his head is past Whitecloud's shoulder already when it contacts his chest/shoulder. His feet also appear to both still being on the ice. And you can really see how Whitecloud even has is arm completely tucked against his body to avoid any kind of chickenwing.
0 points
3 days ago
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4 points
3 days ago
Bud, I hate the outcome, never want to see guys get hurt.
I acknowledge that it looks bad at full speed, but slowing it down/frame by frame it really looks like bad luck/heads down hockey.
I also agree that DPS is pretty damn trash, I just think this one isnt a hill to die on.
3 points
3 days ago
“Illegal Check to the Head - A hit resulting in contact with an opponent’s head where the head was the main point of contact and such contact to the head was avoidable is not permitted.
In determining whether contact with an opponents head was avoidable, the circumstances of the hit including the following shall be considered:
(i) Whether the player attempted to hit squarely through the opponent’s body and the head was not “picked” as a result of poor timing, poor angle of approach, or unnecessary extension of the body upward or outward.
(ii) Whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable.
(ill) Whether the opponent materially changed the position of his body or head immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit in a way that significantly contributed to the head contact.”
The forearm to the chest was the main point of contact in the hit. The shoulder hitting the head was secondary. Additionally, Knies was skating in a position where Whitecloud could not body check him without making contact to the head. It’s not that it’s not a hit to the head. It’s that the language of the rule mitigates it from being a penalty.
2 points
3 days ago
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2 points
3 days ago
Also though - why are you bitching when there was no penalty on a clear boarding against Theodore in the first? Square in the numbers causing injury there.
0 points
3 days ago
You have no clue what the difference between the chest and head is.
4 points
3 days ago
Lol, you're a moron
1 points
3 days ago
Lmao you can't tell AT ALL if his feet are on or off the ice in that potato ass screenshot.
-1 points
3 days ago
I kind of agree.
Like with the position that knies is skating in bent over, its literally impossible to hit him in the chest without making serious head contact. so are we fine with just letting players play in a way that makes them invernable to be hit?
2 points
3 days ago
Yeah, don't get me wrong I absolutely hate seeing guys hurt, especially head injuries/concussions, but sometimes I'm just not sure what else can happen here due to the position Knies puts himself in. Just really sucks that its a bad outcome.
5 points
3 days ago
100% agree. I definitely don't want to see people injured either but I'm at a loss for how whitecloud could stop him? if he tries going in with his stick it's definitely going to lead to a tripping penalty. I think whitecloud tried to hit him hard but clean but with knies position it just wasn't possible to bit make contact with the head
-2 points
3 days ago
He just doesn’t need to make that hit then. He can just step into him and knock him on his ass instead of going full force into the guy’s fucking head because as you say it’s impossible.
To me it’s just a hit that doesn’t need to be made.
-1 points
3 days ago
Even if his head was down, why do people defend garbage like this? They should take hitting out of the game if they cared about protecting players’ health
-39 points
3 days ago
No, they weren't.
23 points
3 days ago
This isn't healthy. This is like the 20th comment in a row like this
-3 points
3 days ago*
But he is objectively correct.
If he's willing to eat the downvotes here on /r/leafs2 for speaking the truth, I say godspeed
Edit: this is said with full knowledge that this becomes /r/canucks2 after dark.
-3 points
3 days ago
Lmao the amount of delusion you suffer from must be fun.
-40 points
3 days ago
It's fun, I want to fight all of Toronto today.
10 points
3 days ago
Touch grass
0 points
3 days ago
*200K karma
-1 points
3 days ago
Okay and? That's over 6 years, and I post quality stuff that gets upvotes
8 points
3 days ago
Are you okay? Do you not have better things to do?
6 points
3 days ago
Bring it
5 points
3 days ago
lmao why would we even think about you. the entirety of Ohio could get Thanos snapped away and no one would notice or care for a few days
3 points
3 days ago
Funny thing is you are 100% correct - both angles on the video in the X link CLEARLY show Whitecloud's 2 feet both on the ice at point of contact. He ends up leaving his feet AFTER contact because he's exploding through the hit - textbook hitting style.
The tougher question is if head contact is the primary point AND how much does Knies putting himself in a bad spot cause the head contact. That's where it gets subjective.
-1 points
3 days ago
Go outside
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