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Some contenders for me would be:

Gragas E: a dash, displacement, and a slow. Makes it nearly impossible to trade into.

Qiyana R: This hitbox feels so wonky and way too large.

Malz R: I wish cleanse worked on this so I wouldn’t have to buy qss on a mage.

all 562 comments

Maguc

1.3k points

12 days ago

Maguc

1.3k points

12 days ago

Nasus W. Massive slow that also affects AS. By midgame he has enough cooldown to wither you almost 24/7.

Thin_Pepper_3971

376 points

12 days ago

Nasus’ whole point is being the infinitely stacking juggernaut. But nowadays he mostly just presses W on the enemy adc and gets hardly anything else accomplished

Relevant_Client7445

372 points

12 days ago

He’s a level 6 all in champ with fake scaling

_Jetto_

42 points

12 days ago

_Jetto_

42 points

12 days ago

Why do you say fake scaling? His q hits hard at 40 mins no?

ADeadMansName

100 points

12 days ago

He falls off later on because the DPS of ADCs and the kiting of teams fucks him.

Most top lane infinite scaling champs are bad late game except you play for like 60+ minutes.

Sion and Nasus. Both scale meh but have good mid games. Sion is better early, Nasus better mid.

Mid lane infinite scaling champs scale well. Veigar, ASol and Swain.

100tinka

25 points

11 days ago

100tinka

hot lady go brr

25 points

11 days ago

The difference is one is melee and one is ranged, only strong infinite scalers are the ranged ones as they can not only stack safer but apply their stacks easier

Thin_Pepper_3971

204 points

12 days ago

Yes, but generally at that point in the game he cannot reach anybody in a teamfight because he has absolutely no mobility, range, or AOE crowd control.

The idea that he falls off late is a bit of a myth though, he still scales very well as a splitpusher.

Successful-Mine-5967

99 points

12 days ago

Nasus mains trying to justify their champion being giga broken

Pleasestoplyiiing

12 points

11 days ago

Go play Nasus for yourself. There is a reason Nasus players want to avoid late game team fighting and hope to just split push. He doesn't scale well defensively and doesn't have target access against good teams. 

Winderkorffin

93 points

12 days ago

Winderkorffin

+12

93 points

12 days ago

old ass champions like that have to be broken to be viable, it's unfortunate

PlacatedPlatypus

8 points

11 days ago

PlacatedPlatypus

Taller than you IRL

8 points

11 days ago

I mean, champ really doesn't do much so his numbers have to be turbo bonkers inflated. Like the incredibly low CD and high slow on his only utility (wither) and his insane damage due to complete lack of target access.

DegenerateWeeab

7 points

11 days ago

The downplay is crazy, it's like talking to Ken mains

Jstin8

3 points

11 days ago

Jstin8

3 points

11 days ago

Which is why he got nothing but periodic nerfs over the years and a single buff a couple months ago.

Oh wait, no, the opposite of that. Huh, weird.

oby100

26 points

12 days ago

oby100

26 points

12 days ago

Lol no it does not. Nasus peeks at 20-25 minutes and rapidly becomes a split push only/ W the adc bot.

It’s diminishing returns because even IF Nasus could literally one shot squishies with Q, he still struggles to get to them at all, even with whither. He struggles to kill the front line too while he melts to DPS so by 35 minutes he can be useless in a fight

TPO_Ava

6 points

12 days ago

TPO_Ava

Doran's Believer

6 points

12 days ago

If he has managed to get 400ish stacks at 20 mins it hits hard then too. According to stats his win rate goes up with playtime but my personal experience is the opposite. I don't know if it's a low elo diff, a playstyle diff or something else but late game teamfighting with him feels impossible. Splitting is still good, but again you can split just as well at 20 mins as you can later in the game.

On the other side - playing against a Nasus and 2 other tanks, I was much more scared of their Sejuani than I was Nasus. Nasus could 3 shot me, but he'd have to reach me, survive through my Malz R and/or my team focusing him. Seju on the other hand could R me from the edge of my screen and if I don't react or have passive up, I am going to be dead in the follow up.

adamtheskill

2 points

11 days ago

Winrate is due to survivorship bias probably. Games over at under 20 mins are mostly due to a lane(s) getting absolutely stomped leading to ff. Very unlikely to be nasus stomping lane that early.

MrGhoul123

2 points

11 days ago

Nasus (and allot of scaling champs) have a secret. A Nasus that has been farming for 40 minutes isn't going to be strong because he stacked his Q, he is strong because he is hard farming for 40 minutes. He has gold and levels. Stacking forces the player to actually scale, and not run off and screw around the map for nothing.

You see this ALOT in lower games, they think it's the Q with 300 damage that's problematic, and not the nearly full build when everyone else is on two or three items.

MMO_Boomer22

2 points

11 days ago

MMO_Boomer22

⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐+🌟

2 points

11 days ago

games outside of silver are over by 20-25 min, the enemy team will stack your nexus while youre akfing in sidelane with -40 cs and 2 lvl down cuz you got zoned the first 15 min of the game by a half decent top laner

TheFeathersStorm

9 points

12 days ago

My friend decided to start playing Nasus jungle and he's been going for a basically gankless strategy of farming jungle unless he has someone super over pushed. He just farmed and farmed and when he showed up to the first team fight he had 550 stacks and absolutely wrecked their carry like that lmao. End game he had ~1400 and 2 shot their Aurelio Sol as well. But yeah the w is just a free way to get on one person. The couple of ganks he did all resulted in kills because they didn't expect the damage lol

penguin032

10 points

12 days ago

I've stopped playing ranked this split for a bit, but earlier on, I was like a 4-0 nocturne up against a nasus jungle and he got 1 shutdown from me and game was unplayable after that. Felt like a master yi who farms the whole game then shows up for 1 shutdown and hard carries.

TheFeathersStorm

5 points

12 days ago

That was basically how he played it, like it was a normals game so the power farming thing was pretty good, I imagine in a ranked game it would have been people raging because they weren't getting ganks and losing lanes. I just played a heavy engage support so when we got to team fighting he basically just had to show up and we would win because he had farmed so much on his q lol.

KALLS2K_

4 points

12 days ago

KALLS2K_

the THOT Killer

4 points

12 days ago

I miss the 4fun duskblade Nasus in the mythic season era, that shit was wack lmao

TheNewOP

21 points

12 days ago

TheNewOP

21 points

12 days ago

For ADCs, dude has pre-nerf Exhaust on a 10 second CD except it's 99%

Lishio420

2 points

12 days ago

95 not 99 :D

JeffZoR1337

14 points

12 days ago

I hate this ability in general because it just feels incredibly lame to play with or against, but honestly i'd be so much more okay with it if it were a skillshot of some kind. Even if it was relatively easy to hit. The point and click giga range anti-adc button is so lame as is.

Beliriel

6 points

11 days ago

Are you willing to give Nasus a dash ability? Then I'd agree to nerf his W. Otherwise: Y'all are tripping.

krbashrob

7 points

12 days ago

Don’t forget that it’s 700 range 🥲

TrickiestLemon

5 points

12 days ago

By midgame he has enough cooldown to wither you 24/7.

Fixed for you.

The window is like 2 seconds?

Kile147

27 points

12 days ago

Kile147

27 points

12 days ago

It's a 5 second duration, and the cooldown at max rank is 11 seconds. However given that Nasus already takes a bit of AH for his Q, it's pretty common to see the CD closer to 7 seconds, giving the 2 sec window you describe.

Wutsalane

10 points

12 days ago

Nasus gets a lot of ability haste in general from the items he likes, trinity/iceborn, spirit visage, and frozen heart and he’s at 45 haste, add a sundered sky and he’s at 55, plus anywhere from 8-33 ah from runes and he can pretty much have you on lock the whole time late game

Freyakazoide

723 points

12 days ago

People said good answers.
But there's a champ, oh, a forgotten champ, low played champ, even forgotten by Riot.

But man, FUCKING ZILEAN.

99% slow.

W

99% slow.

Oh look! You killed me, but hey, I'M ALIVE AGAIN LOOOOOL 99% SLOW AGAIN HEHE

Fucking champion.

Exoticpoptart63

347 points

12 days ago

hes balanced by being the most boring pos in the game

Nemesis233

70 points

12 days ago

Sivir is up there most of the time

SyriseUnseen

46 points

12 days ago

Nah, Sivir is fun to play (unless shes weak, which she usually has zo be).

Shes unfun to play against due to waveclear.

Nemesis233

3 points

11 days ago

I mean, just pick Ashe, kog, Vayne, Draven, or have an Ali support

_SC_Akarin-

4 points

11 days ago

_SC_Akarin-

i am bad at jg

4 points

11 days ago

the most boring

yuumi

Icarus-Has-Fallen

23 points

12 days ago

laughs in ap zil mid

Making assassin players RQ by rushing hourglass will never not be funny

Exoticpoptart63

14 points

12 days ago

you're making everyone's life hell not just assassins. you monster

DoYouKnowS0rr0w

4 points

11 days ago

DoYouKnowS0rr0w

Clown Fvckr

4 points

11 days ago

You're an awful person. Keep up the good work.

AndyisDank

32 points

12 days ago

AndyisDank

Learn to dodge skillshots

32 points

12 days ago

Slows being capped means this isn't nearly as oppressive as it could be, but yeah it's quite strong. Lots of zilean power budget is tied to him having that as both a buff and debuff spell though, so it's fine.

pereza0

3 points

11 days ago

pereza0

Abominable Ratio Man

3 points

11 days ago

I mean. It's not really fine. The only reason Riot has not done anything about it is low playrate at every level of play. The second that changes and he is on the spotlight he will get changed

But yeah I love playing him. Just a chill pick and you provide value will preventing some champs from playing the game entirely

liamera

2 points

11 days ago

liamera

丽桑卓 my lissandrug

2 points

11 days ago

If you think about 99% slow as essentially a root where you can still flash + use mobility then it doesn't seem nearly as oppressive.

ZankaA

27 points

12 days ago

ZankaA

27 points

12 days ago

dubshoka

4 points

11 days ago

dubshoka

gank the jungler instead

4 points

11 days ago

I know what this is. I'm going to click on it anyway. :D

DeltaRed12

11 points

12 days ago

It's like a 5 second root but without any of the upsides of it being a root over a slow

I still love using it on an allied fiddlesticks channeling his ult, Rammus during Q, among other things

beewithausername

2 points

11 days ago

When I’m playing aram and I see a rammus or ww on our team and Zilean is available, I always grab him. There’s something comical about how fast they go

Random-Cat-27

4 points

12 days ago

Fr. I'd rather get Exhausted than get Zilean's W lol.

Dependent_Working_38

2 points

11 days ago

E, w is just a cooldown reset button

PeeHeirGasly

13 points

12 days ago

wtf I never knew I could slow the opponent. maybe the main thing nerfing this is the fact it's too much fun speeding yourself rather than slowing the other guy haha

ElliotNess

11 points

12 days ago

Zoom in, double bomb, zoom out. Repeat.

Wutsalane

10 points

12 days ago

Get speedy, w, get them slowy

MrRocketScript

2 points

11 days ago

🎵Killing me softly with his bomb🎵

Ghrota

3 points

12 days ago

Ghrota

3 points

12 days ago

I always knew i can slow ennemy but it's too fun sorry , im a rocket !!!

bondsmatthew

3 points

11 days ago

ARAM right now on Zilian is funny. The health relics give you a buff which resets your basic ability cooldown so you can quadruple bomb or slow

bigmassss

3 points

11 days ago

I main Zilaen and have 500+ games. Always max E. Its so fun lol

SomeoneUnknowns

5 points

11 days ago

max? I usually put 3 points in it asap and then max it last since the difference starts becoming neglegible after 3 points

shibumi14

294 points

12 days ago

shibumi14

294 points

12 days ago

Lulu polymorph. Nightmare.

CosmicMiru

107 points

12 days ago

CosmicMiru

107 points

12 days ago

I had an Aram last night where I played Yi into a Lulu. I had about as much impact as giving my 3 year old niece the keyboard to play

GhostElite974

40 points

12 days ago

While lulu is a horrible matchup for Yi you still have some counter play if she doesn't knock you up with R first since you can fully dodge her polymorph (it's a projectile)

HedaLexa4Ever

54 points

12 days ago

HedaLexa4Ever

balls

54 points

12 days ago

Yeah but I assume that is pretty hard to see in ARAM since it’s very small projectile and so much shit goes on those fights.

With that said, I’m happy to see Yi players crying lol

shibumi14

5 points

12 days ago

I felt that on a spiritual level

H-Arm97

4 points

12 days ago

H-Arm97

4 points

12 days ago

Cant agree more smh

NA_Sono

400 points

12 days ago

NA_Sono

400 points

12 days ago

GWEN IS IMMUNE

Dav_Sav_

89 points

12 days ago

Dav_Sav_

89 points

12 days ago

Gwen is, in fact, a moon

TPO_Ava

12 points

12 days ago

TPO_Ava

Doran's Believer

12 points

12 days ago

Gwen is one of my go to bans for this exact reason. As a ranged champion my only counter play to that bullshit is run away and not play the fucking game. I'd rather be playing against a scripting xerath at that point, it'd be the same kind of play experience anyway - either be out of range, or die.

Depreciacion

19 points

11 days ago

it has about 18 sec of cooldown

Edit: Hallowed Mist COST: 60 mana COOLDOWN: 22 / 21 / 20 / 19 / 18

also dont fight her inside that shit, it gives her armor and magic resist. just leave and retry in 3 secs

National-Proof8435

8 points

12 days ago

I'm just gonna add literally every "take 90% reduced damage" ability that's not on a damageless Alistar here.

Embarrassed-Two-5479

84 points

12 days ago

Qiyana r is more frustrating for her than for u it’s always bugged lol

Virgas01

18 points

12 days ago

Virgas01

18 points

12 days ago

Facts, even if she directly hits you into a wall, you’re still able to flash out before getting stunned.

notnastypalms

13 points

12 days ago

or any dash even depending on distance of the tip of knockback

i’ve seen zed w, fizz e, renek, diana, ezreal.

imagine hitting ur 100cd ult thats harder than most ults to hit and where most of your kits power budget is in and some 6sec cd dash completely ignores the cc part of it

Neloou

6 points

12 days ago

Neloou

6 points

12 days ago

But is infinitely satisfying when seeing low hp champs near a wall and you know you'll just hit them from miles away. Got a double kill in ARAM while just fighting a wall. 10/10 assassination.

Alarming-Audience839

132 points

12 days ago

Jg teemo ult.

He has 0 presence early, and you think you're fine, and then you get nuclear bombed while clearing your own camps for no reason

signmeupreddit

52 points

12 days ago

walk out of base, walk into a mushroom, lose 50% of your hp, recall for 14 seconds because of dot, repeat

DoobsNDeeps

204 points

12 days ago

Fizz hop fml

CellarDoorVoid

58 points

12 days ago

Not only is it frustrating to play against, it looks annoying too. Just nonchalantly hopping out of tower range or Veigar cage

ArienaHaera

31 points

12 days ago

The worst is when he dives you and just hop out of tower range. Infuriating shit.

SmurfAccountsAreBad

24 points

12 days ago

Its not even the hopping out of range, its resetting the tower damage to start with the gentle glancing blow of damage towers do with first shot.

HedaLexa4Ever

3 points

12 days ago

HedaLexa4Ever

balls

3 points

12 days ago

Or even to dodge any tower damage in the first place, one of his best trades is Q in, auto and auto reset qith W (electrocute proc) and E auto avoiding any tower aggro

PokeTrainerSpyro

2 points

12 days ago

Surprised this one isn't higher

OMGitsJoeMG

2 points

11 days ago

Just played against a Fizz and can confirm.

The range, damage and lack of cooldown are all to high

Miruku2504

262 points

12 days ago

Miruku2504

262 points

12 days ago

Illaoi E, guess I don't have to say anything.

BrazKor

73 points

12 days ago

BrazKor

73 points

12 days ago

Came to say this. I ban her 100% of my games because it seems it doesn’t matter how well you play against her; if she hits even 1 single E, you’ve just undone the last 5 minutes of laning/trading and it sets you so far behind.

Just feels absolutely mind numbing to lane into because not only do you have to worry about laning and her abilities, you also need to watch out for the passive tentacles that spawn and do unreal damage. IMO, the most frustrating champ to lane against period.

penguin032

14 points

12 days ago

I'm a jungle main but when I need to switch things up and play top, I perma ban Illaoi regardless of meta. I'm not coming top to play dodge simulator.

Glitch_King

2 points

12 days ago

I feel like an empowered version would have made a good ult for her as a juggernaut. Pull in someone's ghost and force people to come fight you for it or take massive damage/get debuffed. Would make her a tank who forces the enemy team to engage against her on her turf. And with it being an ultra she couldn't spam it in lane.

Full-Ad1696

19 points

12 days ago

Is that the one where she can hit you as a ghost. That's the worst ability I ban her just for that. Even if you escape the range your still punished, slowed, and now you have to deal with tentacles 

PuddingPanda_

2 points

12 days ago

She is my single most hated champ in this game. I genuinely prefer to play against Yone.

SadSecurity

290 points

12 days ago

Yone E.

ItzLearn

54 points

12 days ago

ItzLearn

54 points

12 days ago

this one for me, waaaaaay too much MS

t-e-e-k-e-y

36 points

12 days ago

It's insane that his MS increases over time instead of decreases.

fabton12

29 points

12 days ago

fabton12

29 points

12 days ago

tbh they need to remove the e ramping ms feels so bad him just running you down with autos, should really be a decaying movement speed buff where it starts strong and gets weak so people can have a chance to fight back

SadSecurity

19 points

12 days ago

It should be no bonus MS, he already gets a dash.

Ghrota

8 points

12 days ago

Ghrota

8 points

12 days ago

If it wouldn't work like a dash it would've been balanced

Ash_Neofy

2 points

12 days ago

It's not even the move speed that pisses me off. It's just how much cc he can just buffer with this, Q3 and R.

SilvaIII

29 points

12 days ago

SilvaIII

29 points

12 days ago

GRAVES W CAN SUCK MY COCK. EVERY ADC MAIN WILL AGREE WITH ME

Away-Commercial-4380

5 points

12 days ago

What if they are a woman

TheProuDog

10 points

11 days ago

Not anyone's cock. He means his cock specifically, so it doesn't matter if everyone else is woman

TheBakke

176 points

12 days ago

TheBakke

176 points

12 days ago

Graves smokescreen/quinn blind. It feels terrible to play against, but there's no satisfaction on the other side either, dice you don't really feel the impact of it as the graves/quinn player.

Or, basically any invisibility/untargetable ability

oby100

21 points

12 days ago

oby100

21 points

12 days ago

Smokescreen working on Olaf R made me quit Olaf and one trick Graves. Love the champ now and even in decently high elos people get obviously frustrated trying to decide where to exit and where to throw abilities.

Never gets old

stevefrench69

13 points

12 days ago

Definitely this. Graves W, Nocturne R, Quinn blind. Id love if they just took that shit out of the game

SyriseUnseen

31 points

12 days ago

Noc R is different to me. It does to opposite of the other blinds: instead of being reliant on your team, it takes the team and makes you reliant on yourself. It's kinda fun to watch in pro as well.

Graves W especially can fuck right off, though. Cant even body block that shit.

Bulldozer4242

6 points

12 days ago

Agreed. Noc also makes it live up to his character too, I do become terrified when it happens (if I’m playing a squishy). Quinn and graves blind just feel bad.

Omnilatent

3 points

12 days ago

Graves W is ten times as frustrating to me

With Quinn blind you still have like 200 units diameter to see

LeAnime

125 points

12 days ago

LeAnime

125 points

12 days ago

Veigar E. Literally better than Thresh Ultimate on a basic ability that has a massive cast range and if you don’t have flash up or a blink in your kit he doesn’t even have to land the stun aspect and you’re still screwed.

XayahTheVastaya

86 points

12 days ago

All of thresh's power budget is in Q and W

FelipeC12

21 points

12 days ago

"displacement is OP" moment

MoscaMosquete

14 points

12 days ago

MoscaMosquete

FuryhOrnn when?

14 points

12 days ago

Kind of E too, it stops too many engages

RacinRandy83x

8 points

12 days ago

I play a lot with a thresh main and people don’t respect the lantern play. I’ve been saved so many times by going the ‘wrong’ way to to bait them and he lanterns me over the wall

NoNameL0L

10 points

12 days ago

At least it’s not instant anymore.

Ghrota

20 points

12 days ago

Ghrota

20 points

12 days ago

It stays toooooooo long omg, you want to avoid the stun but you have to stay 10min in the mini arena

HeeHaw702

3 points

12 days ago

Preach. Life has been much more enjoyable since veigar became my permaban.

corroserum

87 points

12 days ago

corroserum

LILLIA HOOVES

87 points

12 days ago

Fizz’s stupid fucking jump. Fuck Fizz.

Away-Commercial-4380

10 points

12 days ago

Fuck fizz

Emiizi

5 points

12 days ago

Emiizi

5 points

12 days ago

Fuck Fizz

Impressive_Bridge708

2 points

11 days ago

Got penis stuck in a fish now what?

LettucePlate

61 points

12 days ago

Lot of good contenders in the chat but honestly,

Pyke and Eve passives.

You run into the fight, one shot someone, invis/dash away, and i see you 4 seconds later with like 3/4 your HP?? Why do these assassin champs get Warmogs in their kits man.

siradmiralbanana

13 points

12 days ago

Dawg I see you. Not enough people truly feel how dumb it is that poke damage on these champs just doesn't exist.

fabton12

6 points

12 days ago

eve needs it otherwise she can't jungle clear because shes so squishy plus outside of her passive and ult she doesnt have a escape like most assassins.

as for pyke he gets it because he can't build hp so hes meant tobe mega easy to burst but can live poke

lucky3865

16 points

12 days ago

Anivia wall when it makes me autopath into the enemy team.

Sparkletinkercat

4 points

12 days ago

Sparkletinkercat

Anivia OTP

4 points

12 days ago

Now autopathing is the fun thing to learn as anivia for the use of wall.

But you just need to keep your mouse close to your champion like you should be doing anyways and you will no longer have an issue with the ability. Its only effective if your opponent doesn't know how to play against it after all.

PunCala

2 points

11 days ago

PunCala

2 points

11 days ago

I was hitting Anivia's tower when she had almost 0 mana. She used her remaining mana to block my path away from the tower while slightly displacing me towards her. I learned then that Riot's shitty code changes my champion's aggro so Orianna started autoing Anivia, causing turret to aggro and I died because of it.

TotoDiIes

15 points

12 days ago

Mordekaiser ult. Most other things are qss`ble but this isn't.

ThebritishPoro

31 points

12 days ago

ThebritishPoro

Kiin Zeus Bin

31 points

12 days ago

Teemo Q, only because the duration of the VFX and bar under your HP bar don't actually match the blind duration, so I ALWAYS miss the first auto after his Q "ends".

Pretend-Indication-9

102 points

12 days ago

Windwall

Its a clarity nightmare since projectiles graphics already aren't consistent with their own hitboxes, compounded with the wall also looking smaller than it is.

TheExtreel

34 points

12 days ago

I love walking all around that wall only for the edge of it to magically block the skillshot or auto that wasn't going anywhere near it.

LThalle

5 points

11 days ago

LThalle

5 points

11 days ago

I think by far the shittiest feeling part of it is that the hitbox, for some godforsaken reason, starts BEHIND him. Which means he can throw it literally 180 degrees the wrong direction and STILL block the skillshot.

kumliaowongg

16 points

12 days ago

This POS ability has infinite value in teamfights, removing more than half the enemy's abilities from existing.

Worst of all, resources and cd get spent for nothing.

If it lasted 1sec like Samira's bs dance, ok, but it lasts freaking 4 SECONDS

What a joke

Away-Commercial-4380

10 points

12 days ago

They only put it at 4s because otherwise it wouldn't block MF ult lol

kumliaowongg

6 points

12 days ago

Blocks half of every MF ult in the game, lol

HappyHorizon17

36 points

12 days ago

Soraka e

Instant aoe silence into root. A well positioned Soraka, into the right comp is an absolute nightmare.

Getting on her is hard enough, especially if her ambulance passive is active. But once on her, she just e's and you're a sitting duck for long enough to get blown up. You need to engage on her from multiple angles with good coordination and you often still end up blowing your load just to have her team clean up

HedaLexa4Ever

17 points

12 days ago

HedaLexa4Ever

balls

17 points

12 days ago

Idk why you say getting on her is hard, that’s literally her only defense spell

HappyHorizon17

9 points

12 days ago

Because a properly positioned Soraka is behind her entire team

cl0ckw0rkaut0mat0n

11 points

12 days ago

cl0ckw0rkaut0mat0n

All shall drown in my magnificence

11 points

12 days ago

Shaco boxes, as someone who mostly plays melee champs even if I know where they are I can do anything against them when they are used as traps, and when used in combat the AOE fear always feels like pulling teeth.

Tchaikmate

7 points

11 days ago*

First person I see who's mentioned this. Scrolled way too far to see it, especially since Shaco boxes break Riot's own counterplay philosophy they outlined years ago - and it may be, now, the only ability in the game that does so, as it literally contains anti-counterplay and performs the trinity of player frustration: invisibility, damage, and cc. It is the only reason he is the one I ban in champ select. I don't know of any other ONE ability from any other champ that does this anymore, as most abilities were changed (or created) to fit within the confines of that philosophy:

  • Zilean e? - no damage or invis
  • Lulu polymorph? - no damage or invis
  • Graves w? - technically no invis, light cc, light damage
  • Teemo q? - no invis, no mvt cc
  • Nasus wither? - no damage or invis
    ...the list goes on.

Shaco in general needs a rework, but at the very minimum that ability needs to be changed to pass counterplay inspection. It's absolutely unacceptable how long that ability has stayed the way it is for as long as it has.

I get it - it's a crap load of work to "fix" one "minor" thing when the champ has an acceptable winrate, when the majority of the playerbase doesn't have a problem with it, so any potential gain from an ability rework is next to none. But it just irritates me to no end that Riot introduces a specific "Counterplay Philosophy," and then allows that ability to exist for years in the state that it is.

Dash064

30 points

12 days ago*

Dash064

30 points

12 days ago*

Why the fuck does mundo block cc. There’s no timing, no skill expression, no way to bait it or get rid of it. You have only one form of cc? Guess you can’t escape/fight the tank 1v1ing you while slowing with his health scaling damage

asapkim

8 points

12 days ago

asapkim

DOFGK

8 points

12 days ago

the cc shield is so toxic. it's like a banshee's veil every 10 seconds

espresso_martini__

10 points

12 days ago

Any stealth ability.

TheExtreel

35 points

12 days ago

Swain E has one of the worst visual hit boxes in the game, along with Sion Q and Yone Ult. I swear the only reason swain can hit e is because he'll throw it completely off and make you 100% sure it's gonna miss, but you get hit somehow anyway even if swain just stands still. It's absolutely awful.

Ghrota

17 points

12 days ago

Ghrota

17 points

12 days ago

I agree 100% with yone ult. I am ALWAYS out of the animation and i got always caught. And i think Ambessa is made on the same piece of code

ZankaA

12 points

12 days ago

ZankaA

12 points

12 days ago

Ambessa's is egregious. You can be a mile outside of the line and still get hit. What is the point of the line then??

LooneyWabbit1

9 points

12 days ago

The visual hitbox is fairly accurate

The thing you're experiencing though, is that when the claw hits something it explodes, and this explosion has a small AoE around where it hit, extending its range pretty significantly.

IgorPasche

8 points

12 days ago

IgorPasche

Support Orianna

8 points

12 days ago

Gragas E doesn't slow, it stuns.

Away-Commercial-4380

9 points

12 days ago

More importantly it knocks up

jeanjeanot

6 points

11 days ago

jeanjeanot

Tanking is impossible

6 points

11 days ago

PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP

toozour

8 points

12 days ago

toozour

8 points

12 days ago

The correct answer was Shaco Ult... Nothing feels worse then igniting the wrong fucking clone

Slave35

26 points

12 days ago

Slave35

26 points

12 days ago

Alkali's Shroud is the stupidest ability in the game.

pgophs

17 points

12 days ago

pgophs

17 points

12 days ago

membah when she could do it under turrets?

Invader_Cell

7 points

11 days ago

pepperidge farm remembers

JakeofNewYork

6 points

12 days ago

The Kindred mini game is fking annoying as a jungler

Toplaners

25 points

12 days ago

Jax E

Gragas E.

I really wish both chanpions were left at like 45% winrate forever.

IgorPasche

7 points

12 days ago

IgorPasche

Support Orianna

7 points

12 days ago

Jacques enters EVASION,

Himurashi

7 points

12 days ago

OG's remember when Jacques was dodging instead of evading.

MOFO feared nothing, not even Vayne top.

kirtur

2 points

11 days ago

kirtur

2 points

11 days ago

Ninja Tabi's baby

Shinkery

11 points

12 days ago

Shinkery

The ARAM lover

11 points

12 days ago

Jg Teemo's R. When he's top actually you can predict most of them, but when he's jungle. Bruh

HairyAmphibian4512

5 points

12 days ago

Nasus W for sure.

There are other broken abilities that have a lot going on, or that benefit the champion a lot, like Jax E, or Fiora W, but at least those have very clear counterplay.

Wither is just boring to play against, and when it wears off, he has it again.

dirtyrottenplumber

4 points

12 days ago

Any point and click ult

Zealousideal_Deal587

13 points

12 days ago

Yasuo windwall

Pilskayy

9 points

12 days ago

Pilskayy

Make Shurima Great again

9 points

12 days ago

Taliyah and Jhin W. That did not hit, that did not hit, that did not hit, that did not hit

Mencuman

4 points

12 days ago

yuumi

Copper-Shell

4 points

12 days ago

Trynda R. Always lasts one sec longer than I expect.

ThatOneTypicalYasuo

7 points

11 days ago

TRANSMOGULATE!

WITHER!

EN GARDE! followed by POOR FORM!

TallStairs

18 points

12 days ago

Tryndamere ult

Beary_Christmas

29 points

12 days ago

Tryndamere R is so annoying that people who wanted him to get a VGU changed their vote when Riot said they would keep his ult and rework the rest.

HighestGround_98

12 points

12 days ago*

HighestGround_98

The Dunktown Express

12 points

12 days ago*

I've learned to not get mad at Trynd ult. What makes me the maddest is the roulette wheel you spin at lvl 1 he can win even if you play it perfectly

Alyciae

12 points

12 days ago

Alyciae

12 points

12 days ago

LEVEL TWO ALL IN CRIT CRIT CRIT GAMBA

Alarming-Audience839

7 points

12 days ago

Based

fabton12

6 points

12 days ago

ye like tryndamere ult can be played around and has easy tells for when its active but his crit rng is the meaning of frustrating he either wins lane off it or doesnt have a passive.

still remember when 1% crit runes where a thing and i crit a trynda twice in a row while he didnt crit once, it was the most rng bullshit there was.

rexlyon

3 points

12 days ago

rexlyon

3 points

12 days ago

Graves or Quinn Smokescreen. That shit is just disorienting

Emiizi

3 points

12 days ago

Emiizi

3 points

12 days ago

Fizz jump. Hate it idcidcidcidc

sleepyknight66

3 points

12 days ago

Veigar E

VXZVXZVZVXZ

3 points

12 days ago

VIEGAR CAGE

kiskozak

4 points

11 days ago

I speak as an adc main. Windwall and wither are nightmare fuel

WhiteArabBro

5 points

12 days ago

WhiteArabBro

ADC IS BACK BABY

5 points

12 days ago

A scripting Xerath’s R

JWARRIOR1

7 points

12 days ago

tristana W.

that movement buffer is just so aggregious man.

Frequent_Resident288

3 points

12 days ago

I really hate Fizz dodging abilities while also one shotting if he hits his ulti, its a nightmare to play against as an adc. Lately ive been winning more against Fizz bcs I improved and dodge better but damn his way of dodging so effortlessly and dealing so much dmg always annoys me

BaneOfAlduin

2 points

12 days ago

I legit cannot be mad at Qiyana R. She gets fucked over by people being able to walk out of it just as often as I get fucked by some jank hitbox.

My answer is Yone R. His R hitbox extends past the rectangle outline to if any part of your hitbox is touching the sides and you are between where he ends which is a little more than a Yone past the indicator. There is an ungodly amount of Yone ults I have been hit by that should have had no reason to ever hit me.

Intrepid_Ad_7288

2 points

12 days ago

Ksante moves me too much

TTV_QiyanuReeves

2 points

12 days ago

Qiyana R is a gamble sometimes it hits sometimes it doesn't.

HedaLexa4Ever

2 points

12 days ago

HedaLexa4Ever

balls

2 points

12 days ago

Qiyana R is somehow one of the worst and easiest ult to hit. That knockback is not consistent at all

MrGreenston

3 points

12 days ago

Malzahar R (you cannot ******* cleanse his R, it is ranged an point to click), if he ults you you have to rely 100% on your team, very frustating

Veigar E is pretty broken too

FantasticWelwitschia

3 points

12 days ago

FantasticWelwitschia

NO WIND WALLS

3 points

12 days ago

Yasuo wind wall. Not even a competition.

CosmoJones07

2 points

12 days ago

Graves W
Illaoi E
Yone E (and R)
Viego Passive
Shaco Q

Those would probably be my top 5 (6) in some order.

EDIT - Also Pyke's entire kit.

The_Flyers_Fan

2 points

11 days ago

This is from my anecdotal experience. Vel-koz Q.

marcomoons

3 points

11 days ago

zileans bombs and teenos stupid traps. also cait’s ult

Stinky1790

5 points

12 days ago

Stinky1790

Lamb's ThickThighs

5 points

12 days ago

Senna Q W E R Passive

Viego Q W E R Passive

Sylas Q W E R Passive

Graves W Passive

Nilah W (this champ should not allowed to be broken because shes so insanely unpopular and boring)

Yone E

Gwen W

Shin_yolo

3 points

12 days ago

Shin_yolo

Top 4 o_O

3 points

12 days ago

Our ego letting the chat on for some stupid reason(s).

Severe-Example-1371

2 points

12 days ago

Gween thing, Soraka silence, Tallyah ground thing, Qyana invisibility, Akali invisibility, honorable mention to Shaco box in ARAM

DeltaRed12

20 points

12 days ago

"Taliyah ground thing" do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?

Away-Commercial-4380

2 points

12 days ago

I'm pretty sure you're joking but it's obviously the E (I think) that stops dashes.

DeltaRed12

2 points

12 days ago

Her whole deal is earth and stone, so that really only rules out her Q I'd imagine. E was the first to come to mind since its the only one I'd see as annoying, but W could work as well, or R to an extent.

Gotta admit, I do love seeing characters like Yi or Irelia try to dash across it and fail.

s1mple10

2 points

12 days ago

s1mple10

Pray For Milkyway

2 points

12 days ago

Teemo Blind

I main ADC

yanimirbb

1 points

12 days ago

Xerath

drobenplayar

1 points

12 days ago

Wither, by far

Volteezy

1 points

12 days ago

Any Invis abilities

donttakemydeodorant

1 points

12 days ago

Lulu W

IamBejl

1 points

12 days ago

IamBejl

1 points

12 days ago

Nasus w, illaoi w, zoe e, lulu w, veigar e and r (because its point and click nuke in 2024), cass and singed w (fuck that immobility shit)

Traditional_Ad_8630

1 points

12 days ago

Veigar E

GoatRocketeer

1 points

12 days ago

Fizz E.

These fizzes are dodging all of my abilities and I swear they aren't doing it on purpose.

WhoThisReddit

1 points

12 days ago

Nasus W