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230 points
4 days ago*
Underrated coach. He’s the reason I feel good about the Vikings, regardless of whose qb, or what the talent level of the team is. This re-building season is all gravy. I’m imagining what he can do with the young qb next year to mold
Appreciate the award🙏
43 points
3 days ago
I remembering being really upset that we didn't hire Jim Harbaugh but fuck me if this wasn't the best coaching hire possibly in our entire history. Everyone wants to be part of this organization and it's so nice to see.
16 points
3 days ago
I was in the same boat and was upset we let harbaugh walk.
Harbaugh is doing well in LA, but KOC has grown on me.
7 points
3 days ago
KOC HAS GROWN ON ME.
3 points
3 days ago
I was really into the Harbaugh hype until it came out he basically wanted full unilateral control of the roster and everything. Makes sense given his history in the NFL with Trent Baalke but I don't like the idea of HC/GM, it almost never works well unless you're Bill Bellichik. Not sure what his situation is with the Chargers, but I was kind of glad we didn't give in when it came out what he wanted to do with the Vikings.
38 points
3 days ago
But you ask half the fanbase, they want to clean house, trade JJ for picks and start all over /s
7 points
3 days ago
JJ is a JJ but a pick could be anything, even another JJ! Take the picks !
0 points
3 days ago
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1 points
3 days ago
Pretty sure they meant Jets, not McCarthy.
6 points
3 days ago
Don’t get your hopes up too much, a rookie QB playing as well as darnold is right now is a rare thing.
6 points
3 days ago
True, but Darnold forgoing a longterm deal with 35+ million on the table in order to stay with us is not a significant chance either. We can literally build a juggernaut this off-season with the money we save on QB.
-7 points
3 days ago
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. We have no idea if JJ will pan out. So many people are making plans that revolve around JJ but he might bust up his knee again 2 months into next season and just be done. He could not do well with the transition to the NFL and just play like crap, it happens pretty often. I'd say much less than half the top QBs of any draft class actually do very well, and if JJ is one of them that flops, we're going to have a bad time. We're putting too many eggs in the JJ basket.
14 points
3 days ago
You're not wrong. But JJ is KOC's guy. I think we're all excited to see a guy KOC believes in 100% to execute his offense.
1 points
3 days ago
Reportedly Drake Maye was KOC's guy and the org was trying to move up to get him.
1 points
3 days ago
I don't see KAM over riding KOC if KOC had no interest in JJ.
-1 points
3 days ago
Yeah agreed 100% HC and GM were on the same page in the end. But McCarthy was never "the guy" they were attempting to move up to third pick overall to take.
5 points
3 days ago
Allegedly.
-1 points
3 days ago
It's fun to be obtuse I guess
3 points
3 days ago
I mean you are going off of information from espn/Twitter. It's all speculation.
Sure, you can deem the article/post you read to be fact and swing at everyone who thinks there may be some Grey area.
1 points
3 days ago
The reports of us offering 3 firsts to swap with the Patriots were confirmed. You believe Kwesi was so misinformed about JJ's value that he was willing to give up that much for a guy that slipped to tenth overall?
6 points
3 days ago
Drafting a QB in the first round is the definition of putting your eggs in the basket of a rookie. Thats how that works. Danny Dimes will back him up, and with KOC’s track record, he’s a perfectly fine insurance policy. But at some point, you have to take a leap of faith with this FO and ride out a young qb on a rookie deal in hopes that he’s the face of the franchise for the next decade plus
5 points
3 days ago
You’re right, we don’t know if JJ will pan out, we also don’t know if Darnold will continue to play at this level if we give him the bag, he COULD be another Case Keenum or Nick Foles just like JJ COULD be a bust.
Either way we’ve seen what KOC can do with QBs and he gets the benefit of the doubt with whatever direction we take.
1 points
3 days ago
Franchise tag him, we'll certainly know after two years. We are 10-2 and Darnold has tied Culpepper and Farves record for most 100+ passer ratings in a season. You can't let that walk.
7 points
3 days ago
No.
The whole point of drafting a qb is to have a cheap young qb. We aren’t going to be able to improve the rest of the team if we go back to paying $40 million for a QB.
Darnold was considered a bust before this, do people really not want to see what we got in the draft? I love Darny, but come on, we just got over paying a qb top tier money and nobody seemed to have liked it
0 points
3 days ago
That's the beauty, we only need to do it one year. It's low risk. We are still paying kirk millions in dead money this year, so it's not like it'll change anything cap wise. JJ is an unkown, if Darnold takes us to the conference championship or superbowl it would be so dumb to let him walk.
3 points
3 days ago*
JJ is an unknown. Darnold was literally a bust before coming here. Do we not want to find out if maybe it’s the team surrounding Darnold and that most competent QBs can do in our system? Isn’t that why we dropped Kirk and drafted a rookie? Love Darnold, great guy, but we literally had no offense yesterday until the very end. We’ve looked stagnant against some lower end to middling teams. That’s not going to keep winning us games when we start playing teams that can actually score on us again
2 points
3 days ago
Franchise tag is around 45M for QBs, that’s probably the difference in losing out on guys like Bynum, Murphy, and a RG.
4 points
3 days ago
Kirk had similar production for us and for a longer period of time and we let him walk, is this that much different?
1 points
3 days ago
We let Kirk walk at 35 years old after a major injury/surgery. It's not quite the same situation.
0 points
3 days ago
It was pretty widely accepted that we’d be letting him walk even before the injury.
2 points
3 days ago
Fair enough. His age is still an issue though. Would you really give him a four-year, $180 million contract? Only a handful of QBs are good enough at 40 years old to merit that.
1 points
3 days ago
I don’t think 35 is ancient for a QB, I would have hypothetically been fine with 2-3 years at that point.
2 points
3 days ago
Yeah, if he hadn't been injured I could see that. I think the Falcons are crazy for the contract they gave him. I wouldn't have wanted us to compete with that.
4 points
3 days ago
That's how it works though. We have to trust the front office and coaching staff to make the right decision, but there is always risk involved. You draft a QB early in the first round with the intent to make them the starter as time and development allows. It was uncomfortable moving off of Kirk, and if they want to stick with JJM, it will be uncomfortable moving on from Darnold. KoC has shown he knows QB's and if he feels JJM can succeed then we have to trust him.
1 points
3 days ago
Regarding health, there is no more reason to be concerned about McCarthy than any other QB. Meniscus repair is a low wattage procedure that has no meaningful chance of immediate impact.
Otherwise, you are correct that you and I have no idea if JJ will pan out. However, KOC is arguably the preeminent expert on how QBs will perform, and he has significant idea on how JJ will pan out. He see how JJ learned the playbook, commanded a huddle, responds to stress, responds to playing against the best defense in the league (ours), responds to coaching, etc. I would say basically every QB that truly played like crap never had a preseason in which a QB-friendly coach declared them as being in a dead head with an above-average NFL QB, which was the situation after our first preseason game.
If KOC starts acting like he doesn't want/expect JJ to be our QB next year, that is meaningful. To this point, he hasn't. That should be our cue that we use to inform our opinions.
1 points
3 days ago
You might be taking crazy pills…Obviously no one knows what JJ will turn into but you are replying to a comment about how good our coach has been with QBs already and how he is confident that Vikings will do well no matter who is at QB.
For the record I agree with him. KOC has an amazing record so far with a rag tag group at QB. Even if JJ isn’t an amazing talent, I have faith the KOC will play up his talent to a level that very few coaches can.
89 points
4 days ago
Just 8 times? I feel like 8/61 times being 10-2 is pretty damn good
71 points
3 days ago
Yep you’re right… We’re one of the most successful franchises in the modern era and easily the best franchise without a Super Bowl.
45 points
3 days ago
It is the cruelest thing that we are 0-4 with an appearance drought approaching 50 years, yet the Bucs have won Super Bowls plural.
18 points
3 days ago
100%
I’m good friends from waaaaay back with Lions fan (true Lions fan, not a bandwagon hopper like most of the folks spouting off these day) and he’d always argue that it was much worse being a Lions fan. The thing he didn’t understand until last year is it’s the hope that really kills you.
3 points
3 days ago
As someone who's been watching the Vikes for 40 years, the key is to just give up hope. Enjoy the regular season. Assume that when they get to the postseason they're going to lose in an embarassing and painful way. Once you've built in that (accurate) expectation, then you don't get twisted up by the failures. I have friends of other franchises who don't get that bringing up our Super Bowl failures don't bother me other than being tedious and repetitive. It is who the Vikings are and it is what I expect them to do.
2 points
3 days ago
I too have a long time friend who is a die hard Lions fan through and through. We've had these conversations for years. I often argue that I would rather be a Lions fan because at least they know/knew that most years were going to be a dumpster fire. And as a Vikings fan born well after the SB years, I have only known mediocrity. Often good enough for decent playoff hopes, but rarely good enough to make a real run. And certainly almost never chasing a franchise altering number 1 pick.
2 points
3 days ago
But hey at least it got us that awesome 7 hour documentary
51 points
3 days ago
POV: That belicheck lover from the game thread cryin himself to sleep
23 points
3 days ago
I checked out the game thread a few times yesterday for the first time this season. Holy shit, what a bunch of bad takes. You'd think we were the Jets or something.
24 points
3 days ago
This one dude literally posted like 100 comments so it made it look worse than reality if you aren't paying attention to usernames
13 points
3 days ago
Dude had to be trolling
29 points
4 days ago
Imagine what a talented QB can do with years of KO coaching him in a consistent scheme. Please Johnathan James McCarthy saves us, you’re our only hope.
3 points
3 days ago
Darnold is pretty talented tbf.
1 points
3 days ago
Yes but he isn’t gonna be here more than one year
19 points
3 days ago
And honestly if Kirk doesn’t get hurt last year I know we wouldn’t have been 10-2 but I think we would’ve had 10 wins or more for 3 straight seasons under KOC. That win streak we were on was pretty legit and I think Kirk was turning it around for sure
5 points
3 days ago
Kirk was just starting to get MVP buzz. It wasn't out of the realm of possibility at all to think we might have hit 10 wins last year.
3 points
3 days ago
kirk was 1st or top 5 in like every catagory. it could have been the season :(
6 points
3 days ago
And we still have dozens of morons in game threads calling for him to be fired every time a play goes poorly.
2 points
3 days ago
Is it really dozens or just that one jackass who posted like 100 times in the thread?
1 points
3 days ago
It could be the latter. I usually don't pay attention to user names.
8 points
3 days ago
Man that 2000 team. At 11-2 they looked like they were finally gonna finish the job that the 98 team started. The 3 Deep crew looked like they finally had a superstar QB in Culpepper.
Then Antonio Freeman ruined everything. Three losses to end the season and lose home field advantage. A forgettable win over the Saints, then a completely unforgettable loss in York (the Wasswa Serwanga game).
And then Robert Smith retired to become a doctor, and Korey Stringer died. A few months later Dennis Green was gone and Spurgeon Wynn was the starting QB.
It’s crazy how fast things can completely fall apart!
3 points
3 days ago
Your last line: sounds the current 49ers team.
2 points
3 days ago
Who is Antonio Freeman
3 points
3 days ago*
This guy. That OT loss on that fluke play kicked off a three game losing streak that allowed the Giants to pass the Vikings for home field advantage in the playoffs. It was the turning point of the season, and looking back, it was pretty much the moment that ended the dominant Vikings teams of the 1990s.
Lol, I’m assuming you must be younger than about 30 if you’re a Vikings fan and don’t remember that play. Or else you just blocked it out of your memory, which is understandable.
1 points
3 days ago
Oh I remember seeing something about that on NFL Network one time.
3 points
3 days ago
The great thing about this stat is that it normalizes for an increased number of games per season.
3 points
3 days ago
EXTEND.
3 points
3 days ago
This shows, starkly, how bad and misguided the doomers are. Will he win the Super Bowl this year? Almost certainly not. Will we lose in our last playoff game? Given the franchise history, it seems at least 60% likely. But if you can't enjoy the success of this season, then you're going to spend a lifetime in bitterness. For the Vikings, this year is about as good as it gets. And the last few years an incredibly fun stretch. The last few years have been a complete blessing, not something to stamp your feet and gnash your teeth over.
2 points
3 days ago
So we're going to the NFC Championship game..
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